Mercedes Had a V8 Supercar.

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The Mercedes/Erebus E63 AMG V8 Supercar was an exciting prospect with a strong future in the V8 Supercars going against the Holden Commodore, Ford Falcon, Nissan Altima, and Volvo S60, but things just didn't work out for Mercedes.
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[@ruddgrandprix-speedrunraci8515]

I love the Thrustmaster sponsorship. Relevantly connected. Because things that go vroom.

[@emdotrod]

Congratulations on the sponsorship

[@Tohnakimmo]

No lie detected here, Had a G29 fail on me after 3 months but my T248 has run flawlessly for over a year, isn't nearly as loud as the G29 either

[@chancaleb8376]

Heyyy congrats, keep up the good work!

[@Grant80]

Just to clear up a little woo you stated when the races red flag it goes back to the leader that is incorrect it has to go back one full lap. at the time with Dick Johnson car 17 not car one

[@peekaboo1575]

I always saw the V8 Supercars as the perfect example of Australian Manufacturers chickening out and banning the competition, rather than taking them on. It's very creation was a response to the R32's domination in Group A. "Should we make a car that can beat the GTR? Nah, let's just make it illegal instead." And in the end of the day, V8 Supercars suffered the same fate of the Ozzy car industry. How fitting.

[@bam_henry]

Therefore, Australians are cowards.

[@privateinformation2960]

ah yes and the old 'You dont want to buy these cars any more so we wont make them.... see? youre not buying the cars we are not making but you are buying the cars that we do make, so you clearly dont want the cars that you used to which we dont make any more, so we wont make them any more, more, so you buy what we do make, and oh look! now everyone in australia wants EVs and SUVs! No one likes V8s any more because we dont make them because you dont want them because we dont sell them therefo.....' yeah tl;dr circular logic and gaslighting. Commodores, Falcons, Camry's were *never* not the most popular car, until manufacturers and government colluded to tell us we dont want them any more, and forced the sales losses to 'prove' the point, then GM shut down holden, and both ford and toyota laughed and left. Now we are flooded with electric Chinese electric shit that spontaneously combusts when you fart on it. And chinese built major construction projects with illegal chinese cladding that... spontaneously combusts when you fart on it And thats totally not some crazy conspiracy. At all. Because Vic state government totally never colludes with them to undermine federal and state law.... where most of the cars and petrol products were made.

[@Thomas-rk4rl]

TBH they lasted 20 years, thats pretty damned good for a racing series. As someone who grew up watching it, it was worth it, and I agree it would have been fitting if they closed up the series in 2017. But that's not how racing series work, and having an openly biased series once it was clear it needed to open up in 2013 was very stupid.

[@rohanalias9053]

You said everything I wanted to say thank you

[@brdllc]

I think it’s way cooler and more fun to watch with only holdens and AU Fords. The cars are sick, the v8’s sound great, it’s just a domestic car series. Not like there wasn’t 93848 other racing series you can watch the gtr beat everything in. The Germans did the same exact thing with the DTM

[@sdx3918]

Its weird how V8 Supercars is still so insistent at keeping the whole "GM vs Ford" thing alive when I'm pretty sure most fans nowadays couldn't care less ever since Australian built cars got axed.

[@brdllc]

Tons of us are holding onto it actually just cuz we loved the holdens and au fords so much. Obviously nothing we can do now but I hope it stays the same formula with new manufacturers and doesn’t fizzle out into ending or another gt3 series

[@FailedRacers]

Spoiler alert: It will be a GT3 series

[@sourwolfbane]

its not the supercars that is stopping other manufactures from competing in the races series, its other manufactures who think putting money into developing a race car in a small market isn't viable. its why the Mercedes team wasn't a manufactures team but a private run team. all major manufactures have all said it not cost effective to make a race car on a small market like the supercars series, if the series had broken into the American and Asian markets like they tried then we have different manufactures in the series but the local people were not interested in it enough for it to viable option for supercars to keep going to these places.

[@dylanangel2870]

@@FailedRacers weve had half a dozen gt series over the years, theyve all died because theyre all shit to watch. gt3 is the worst racing around, its below f1 quality

[@dylanangel2870]

i find it to be a more generational thing those born after supercars was founded really really dont give a shit, entertainment is entertainment driver>team> manufacturer

[@syaieya]

As someone outside of Australia, it's weird to hear the Supercars series having such a reputation locally. Maybe the standards in the states are just that low, but the moment you can put the dirt tires away, make right turns, AND drive with windshield wipers on without being told when you need to put on different tires has always put a series squarely in the territory of proper touring car racing. That's sophisticated stuff. For as much as the deck was stacked against them though, seeing those AMGs steal a win in every season they competed really must be cathartic for someone who signed off on that project.

[@FailedRacers]

Touring car racing is a working class motorsport in most countries funnily enough. Even the British Touring Car Championship has a much more working class fanbase, same with DTM etc.

[@kdpwt]

@@FailedRacers american working class 1st world country working class are not same

[@Schiftee]

Is that horsepower limit on “outsiders” a norm in motorsport? Seems like such an odd rule that doesnt promote competition

[@emdotrod]

They wanted to gatekeep Supercars to become an Australian sport, even though even the last Holden that raced in Supercars wasn't even an Australian made car

[@piedpiper1172]

It’s common to have rpm, compression, power, displacement, and induction limits. It’s also common that those limits add up to incentivizing a certain type of engine. In this case, it favored the engines of Holden & Ford at a design level. Mercedes could have made a bespoke engine optimized to the V8 rule set, which likely would have been power competitive, but it would likely make very little sense. It’s not like they’d put that engine in anything they sell other than like, 6 V8 supercars to their factory team and maybe 2 more to a privateer. That said, the explicit “Engine built outside X borders can’t have more than Y horsepower” is less common, but where it’s common, it’s almost always some sort of explicitly domestic racing series. Usually, though, it’s achieved less explicitly. For example, a hypothetical Japan-domestic-exclusive series in the 2000’s could have set a rule saying “2.0 - 2.8L turbos are allowed up to 1,000hp. Supercharged engines of any displacement are restricted to 750hp. All other engine formats are restricted to 650.” Sure, it doesn’t explicitly say most Hyundai and Chevrolet engines are banned, but… they’d all be pretty heavily penalized, while all of Japan’s well established at the time rally manufacturers would have held a big advantage.

[@The_Evil_Monkey_93]

you're understanding incorrectly, category wide there was 'accumulated engine performance' or something where each engine was measured at defined points through the rpm range to ensure it was inside the regulations. that's iirc, it was supposed to keep the engines within a few percent of each other.

[@syaieya]

Motorsport has a very interesting history of begrudgingly letting people into it's little club, only to treat them like second class ciitzens. There's a reason Ilmor is able to put "The Ilmor ARCA engine reigns undefeated against the competition." up on their website. You are absolutely able to go somewhere else for your engine, but they will not make it easy for you to compete.

[@Schiftee]

Thanks for the responses guys, learned something today!

[@woopimagpie]

It's a real pity that Erebus/Mercedes, Nissan, and Volvo weren't able to compete on a level playing field. I mean, I get it, those three manufacturers had the capability to run much higher tech than Holden and the local Ford products so they had to make it fair, but the rules were so skewed in favour of the local brands it was essentially impossible for them to compete. The Volvo was in the mix for a short while, but that was more due to exceptional ability of the driver (Scott McLaughlin) than the car really. Both Mercedes and Nissan had some gun drivers (Maro Engel, Will Davison, Rick Kelly, Tim Slade, Lee Holdsworth, among others) but they never got near the front most of the time. It ultimately led to the withdrawal of all three, so in the end no one gained except those that were already winning. I believe WAU (Ryan Walkinshaw particularly) tried pretty hard to get another manufacturer interested with the introduction of Gen3 but sadly it came to nothing. Apparently he talked to a few people but couldn't get anything off the ground, probably for the same reasons Mercedes originally had reservations I'd guess, and from seeing what happened to those who had previously failed to compete successfully.

[@TurboGmbH]

If Polestar at the time weren’t assholes GRM-Volvo would of won a championship. They had it in the program proof was their extremely close win at Bathurst until Whincup hit Scotty during the race

[@dylanangel2870]

the kellys were over the hill and too crunched running the team and maro wasnt good at all and volvo had a top teir engine and good aero, but grm would be able to our engineer the big teams and 6 months in volvo was on the phone having a cry over burnouts and said they were out so gary wasnt going to over spend for someone that didnt want to be there

[@woopimagpie]

@@dylanangel2870 Yeah, I've given my thoughts on Maro Engel plenty of times, I'm not that much of a fan. He's a gun GT driver but he never got the hang of Supercars for some reason. Everyone thought it was the car, then Erebus replaced him with Will Davo who achieved multiple top ten finishes in the exact same car. Some drivers just adapt I guess. Engel didn't endear himself to Australian and Kiwi motorsport fans when he threw SVG under the bus at the 12 Hour that time either. Not very sporting. The situation with Volvo was weird. I didn't understand it then and I still don't. They were on the verge of winning big, pulling the pin like they did was utterly daft if you ask me.

[@is_fpr5f1]

WAU are going to be using Toyota Supras from 2026, hopefully it's the start of more manufactures in gen3

[@tanssi2145]

Comment aged well! Walks + Toyota, love to see it

[@MikoOhneHose]

Failed Racers uploads -> my day is saved It's also great to see you improving in audio quality etc., keep up the great work!

[@fuller9x]

The Erebus E63 5.0l had Drive by Wire and two Butterfly valve intakes instead of the 8 throttle bodies since it was a direct lift from the GT3 program. Those proved to be highly unreliable in its installation alongside the electric power steering. Also, the engines had to be flown back to Germany for servicing, but Erebus slowly shifted to a traditional 8 stack ITB, ditched the drive by wire and electric power steering and Ross Stone insisted on servicing the engines at the shop for faster turn around. So they had a lot of things going against them from the start.

[@dylanangel2870]

yeah it was a crap engine design, took ages for them to go inhouse and instant gains were found when they did

[@Thomas-rk4rl]

19:08 shoutout to the AU I Falcon ute from 1998 being used as a recovery car, despite being 15 years old by this point

[@zakoreilly5722]

They still use a 2006 territory at Phillip Island!

[@Primer292]

Can’t spell beautiful without AU

[@TheBiggestCorn]

​@@Primer292you can't spell Australia without AU. the AU Falcon is the peak of mechanical engineering.

[@bigman4225]

@@zakoreilly5722 Victorian Motorsport Fire/Rescue are still using Territories and Crewmans.

[@bennugent4426]

Pretty sure I saw a VY or VZ commodore at the Tasmania races this past weekend (August 2024)

[@michaelb6729]

Do the V8SC Nissan Altima next !

[@ruddgrandprix-speedrunraci8515]

I want to know if this Altima V8 Supercar is good or not. Something about this Altima just got me curious.

[@michaelb6729]

@ruddgrandprix-speedrunraci8515 , it was no good. Only promising non Ford or GM was the Volvo entry. But Volvo only provided 2years factory backing, then withdrew the car.

[@ruddgrandprix-speedrunraci8515]

@@michaelb6729 I see.

[@emdotrod]

The true Big Altima Energy

[@ItzAnonyms]

​@@michaelb6729yeah, then Volvo went to WTCC only for them to be replaced by Lynk&Co since they had been bought not long before

[@dominicbarden4436]

I feel like the higher-ups in Supercars wanted to have their cake and eat it when it came to new manufacturers and it backfired. Like sure, they welcomed new OEMs but still wanted Ford and Holden to be the centre of the show and it therefore didn't feel like Nissan, Volvo and Erebus/Mercedes were competing on equal terms, so it's not surprising they all left in relatively short order. As an aside, Ford in the COTF era feel like underdogs to some extent against Holden, with only six cars on the grid for most of it from FPR, their various satellites and DJR. At the same time, all three manufacturers only had one team representing them, and none of them had top teams. Erebus was essentially being rebuilt from the ground up from the old Stone Brothers squad while Kelly Racing (Nissan) and Garry Rogers Motorsport (Volvo) had winning pedigree but at this point in time tended to be in the midfield. Imagine how things might've gone if one of them had partnered with someone like Triple Eight for instance.

[@granturismorobert8886]

Never forget the GRM Volvo S60.

[@antonfloor344]

Never understood they entered, they never sold any V8 the only V8 they had was a made by Yamaha

[@SimoneMX950]

@@antonfloor344 the V8 was from the XC60/90 SUVs if I remember correctly

[@GamingJamesGames]

Used to watch V8 Supercars so much when I was a kid. The good old Holden Vs Ford as well as Nissan, Mercedes and Volvo joining in. Doesn’t feel the same anymore watching V8 Supercars now that it’s just Chevys and Mustangs

[@emdotrod]

The current gen Supercars actually facilitating new manufacturers to join since iirc they allowed many body styles.

[@MrPeterheveran]

Who would bother entering? I've heard rumours of Alfa Romeo but that's just a beautiful daydream. Super cars will probably go the way of DTM sadly. Unless they worked with the Jtcc and dtm. Make a new ruleset that meant making a car would qualify for three championships.

[@alexandersmith7777]

What would be cool is to turn the GT4 category into an advanced touring car category which could be used across the world. GT4 is a lot more cheaper and relatable to most production cars and will be cool to expand and with it gaining more traction it would be more popular

[@nanobyte5567]

@@alexandersmith7777I’ve had this exact thought too. Although give the cars more or less the same amount of power to what they currently have. And if more manufacturers are necessary, then perhaps use BOP. They tried to get a twin turbo V6 setup in Supercars but it simply wasn’t powerful enough, and I think there may have been reliability issues too because of how the V8s are tuned. Just an example of how the current technical format isn’t great for a variety of engines too.

[@metalmoltres]

@@alexandersmith7777 I've heard the problem with the GT4 is how close they are to the production model, meaning that repairs are a lot more costly compared to the silhouette racing we have atm

[@MotoWot]

@@nanobyte5567 LOL WHAT? In 1992 twin turbo straight sixes were too powerful, now twin turbo v6s are not powerful enough!?!

[@alonso932]

I'm from Argentina, it's funny how being so far away each country we have the same issue, here the most popular series is Turismo Carretera, until last year we used national production cars and very popular like Ford Falcon (not the australian Falcon), Chevy, Dodge GTX and IKA Torino, there are all 70's cars but this year started a new generation cars like Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, Toyota Camry and a new Torino that even doesn't exist and it was only created for the series, most of the people want popular sports car and not this new cars that you barely see on the streets

[@piedpiper1172]

10:25 Fantastic mock German accent. It both sounds German enough to sell the effect, while clearly being a mock accent, selling the joke.

[@jacquesparpaing3217]

From a European, the end of the Ford vs Holden era is a huge shame. All across the motor racing world the fierce rivalry, the El Clasico from Down Under, was regarded fondly. Something beautiful was destroyed. By the way we all know Ford were better here 😊

[@LotsOfToubleUsuallySerious]

2:43 car of the future... future, tomorrow... CAR OF TOMORROW

[@c0mplex564]

Even V8SC can’t escape the COT era

[@Muhluri]

I knew that sounded a lil similar

[@NexXxu]

COT MENTIONED!

[@funnytf2bruhsoundeffects]

Would love to see an episode on the Ford C100 someday, it was Ford's entry into Group C and their first factory effort at sportscar racing since the legendary GT40, only for the car to be hopelessly unreliable and the entire program be scrapped within a year.

[@The_Evil_Monkey_93]

I always thought that the Merc would've been far more competitive if Erebus had of designed the engine to the ruleset in the first place rather than trying to come in with things like throttle by wire and 2 throttle butterflies rather than the specified 8 etc etc. It had all these waivers and as a result they ended up undoing most of them anyway and to a degree they were hampered by Supercars imposing a bore x stroke ratio on them that wasn't particularly favourable to a DOHC engine

[@dylanangel2870]

theyd always be 12 months behind the others because of that.... and 20 years behind the chev and ford. but they did engineer some trick stuff that turned around the car after the engine was re done. remember when they went holden and bought back the amg uprights because they were bettwe and just jumped forward

[@MuscleCarLover]

This was an actually interesting era, I always hoped to see more variety, like a Kia Stinger when they "allowed" for turbo V6s to enter

[@asdzxcqwerty9180]

I liked the rawness of V8 Supercars because they had less grip, more weight, long braking distances and overall way more challenging to drive. It was thrilling to see drivers controlling them as they were drifting out of corners and it felt really felt like old school racing when there was low mechanical grip and more dependent on technique. You can't find this type of driving in almost any modern popular racing series. I feel they should have let other manufactures compete without so much unfaireness in the ruleset, that would have brought innovation through compatition. Japan did a better job with JGTC and Super GT in this regard in my humble opinion.

[@MrPeterheveran]

Great video. Love the lesser known stories. The btcc has a tonne. Infinity and the Mazda 323f. Your videos fill a nice niche of Motorsport. You also can do stuff on cheats. Smokey yunick is a wild ride.

[@dragoveles7450]

still a few sound mixing issues, but man, has your video production improved!

[@iamlato]

fantastic content, only criticism i really have is that the music in the background is often too loud, sometimes louder than your voice.

[@somebutter6755]

V8 supercars has seemingly just devolved into what nascar should be but in Australia. It’s sad what GM did to Holden. Yet another amazing brand in its backyard full of amazing brands that were killed off.

[@VladTepesVEVO]

Such a shame they gimped the mighty M159 like that... destroked to 5.0L, down on power and RPMs! Absolutely terrible!

[@brdllc]

I’ve never heard of this Mercedes and Nissan can’t have over 652hp rule. It’s always been said that that was the limit for everybody / the horsepower that everybody made equally Also the cone brought the safety car out because there is a metal rod underneath of it, and they were worried of people blowing their tire out on it with it not being visible. Another great video, I see this channel taking off like it deserves. It’s cool to see other people on here genuinely interesting in more than one or two disciplines of racing, and be generally knowledgeable about it.

[@dylanangel2870]

the entire category was limited to 650 hp, by rules,specifically. every team would say they have ' about 640' theyre all 649 on the dot

[@moariclub]

You brushed over the 6.2 Lt merc, big factor why amg didn't want to help, all their efforts were going into the 5.5 lt, this is a stroker crank, very much different, amg viewed this as going backward. Got this from erebus first hand at pukekohe, no doubt points to not enough prior planning.

[@blake3132]

I remember being at the GC 500 when the Volvo and Nissan were competing as well, The Mercedes sounded the best of the lot. i remember the Volvo sounded very unique as well. Good times

[@ScuzzyYT]

Man’s getting sponsored now he’s hitting the big time

[@bob677videos7]

i've been watching your videos for some time now, and you keep giving us bangers!

[@bondedwithpotatoes0076]

I always thought it was kind of a shame that Volvo, Nissan, and Mercedes didn't last too long in modern V8 Supercars - coming from a NASCAR and Indycar background, we're always begging for new makes and engine manufacturers to join our sports, and it's a shame only two companies found true success in Supercars

[@swilleh_]

they probably knew that the average australian race fan is a cry baby based on the skyline victory. not saying that you are, you're quite reasonable and you have a brain.

[@espvp]

This video is edited as if it was made in the early 2010’s, awesome.

[@FailedRacers]

That's the goal!

[@CallumBlyth]

My mans got a sponsor I could cry

[@reeceogorman]

Best sounding v8 supercar to date 🤤🤤

[@seannicol7309]

Not an electronic music fan but the music in this was great. The mercs were great looking cars. Also had a blast driving these things in Forza Motorsport

[@MF_Henri]

Really good video! A few editing mistakes with music being too loud around 20:49, white text on light backgrounds, and some mic issues. Only constructive criticisms, loved the vid thumbs up

[@bennugent4426]

Wow, Michael Massey seems like a great race director! I’m sure he’ll go on to have a non-controversial and exciting career in Motorsport on a global scale!

[@jacekatalakis8316]

The car showed up in at least one videogame, IIRC Listed, as wait for it...not Mercedes, but Erebus because Simbin couldn't get the Mercedes licensing, and it was pretty much an Erebus anyway so...

[@brdllc]

What game is that

[@dylanangel2870]

its only turned up in forza

[@MrLolx2u]

More like what they did was hella dumb. The E63 was big, heavy and worse still, there IS a smaller car in Mercedes's lineup that's smaller than the E-class and that's the C63. It has the same engine, technically same build and the same gearbox thus it would be easy to use the smaller yet similar car. That's where Volvo was smart. They too have the S60 which was a medium-sized sedan like the C-class and it's waaay smaller than the Australian "Commie" and the Falcons. That made it nimbler to drive which helps alot on more technical tracks. Also, Mercedes-Benz Pacific or whatever the HQ was that the Aussies had had the lamest reasoning on why they didn't wanna participate in the sport by calling it "degrading" and "bogan" when... AMG started as a "bogan" company doing silly stuff to Merc to race in "bogan" events and they still do till now in certain events. Look at AMG's history. What they did was soo unassuming that they took a huge ass 300SEL out of everyone's thought and smacked it right into the 24 Hours of Spa which was just being mocked by everyone for being stupid and silly that how would these bunch of garage tuners had such sheer audacity to take a yacht to battle against proper built sportscars? Yes the SEL didn't win of course but it built a reputation that even garage tuners like them can make a boat fly down the track and give chase to actual properly built race cars and the rest was history for AMG. Heck they even became an official partner for DTM at one point which was the German equivalent of "bogan motorsport" as the ATTC/V8 Supercars so I have zero clue what the hell was Mercedes Australia complaining about when AMG itself was made by 2 bogans, taking a car and then dumping stupid parts on it to go racing, shocking everyone and even competing in their variant of a "bogan motorsport" so what's the big idea about them racing in V8 Supercar with actual factory team support even?

[@nanobyte5567]

I think the bogan culture isn’t the only reason why they weren’t happy. What may have been the case is since Erebus was already racing with Merc in GT3, they thought they could be an offical factory backed team in Supercars because they just so happen to be a Merc customer. There may have already been observations from Merc Australia that the Erebus management (Betty and Barry) weren’t the best professionally, which is very much relevant to this day with how Barry gets cranky and leaves a race because of how things go. Idk, but there had to be something about either Erebus or Supercars management which Merc Australia didn’t like but didn’t want to say publicly for probably legal reasons. But no doubt the bogan culture is the biggest factor and I can’t blame them

[@brdllc]

They were not using the actual cars man they are tube chassis race cars with a body put over it. The c class would’ve been smaller than the falcon and the commodore, which are both equally sized to the e class.

[@scaldabagnoincrostato5402]

Cars from the second generation of V8 supercars all had the same chassis so the dimensions were just like the commodore and falcon

[@TassieLorenzo]

@@scaldabagnoincrostato5402 True, however the moment of intertia of a more compact bodywork package (especially the Mustang coupe) wrapped around this spec spaceframe eventually became quite controversial.

[@dylanangel2870]

@@nanobyte5567 yep it was to lure them in to pay for it and that backfired hard. merc au knew they were going to be forced to start footing bills

[@speedhunter7156]

Honestly when i first saw the Mercedes V8 supercar it intrigued me being visually distinct from the other cars mind you this was in 2018 a few years after they left the sport in a league i did run a holden for their one off Supercars championship i didn't place that well because i was still an amateur compared to other drivers who would lap entire seconds faster makes me wonder though what if i drove the Mercedes instead

[@exF3-86]

Wtf are you talking about? You obviously don't know about licensing requirements to race supercars

[@speedhunter7156]

@@exF3-86 i do maybe doing a bit of reading and you will understand what i am talking about XD

[@ihaia829]

So they won races with no factory support, more regulations and poor body/chassis design? Doesn't sound that "failed" to me

[@gerardcrabb4556]

HSV and FPV were competition to AMG locally...

[@MotoWot]

As if someone dumb enough to drop $200K on a Commodore (W1) would have considered an AMG and vice versa.

[@gerardcrabb4556]

GTS and AMG within few 10ths over 400m and $150K cheaper...

[@MotoWot]

@@gerardcrabb4556 I doubt people who buy new AMGs care about quarter mile times. The drug dealers who buy them second hand might...

[@stefchemacrae5540]

I totally get why they wanted to preserve the Holden vs ford mentality, but it was such a short sighted decision with the obvious demise of Aussie car manufacturing right on the horizon. V8 Supercars would probably be a much more exciting space today with a bit more diversity on the grid

[@alaricbragg7843]

Thank you for this video! It's actually hard to pick a good Australian touring car subject and this is a job well done. Apologies for not commenting on your daily bulletins so much. I am very busy with a new job! 🙂 The Mercedes-Benz attitude was stupid given that Mercedes actually had an interesting and successful history of racing in Saloon and Touring Car events in Australia. Look at Bob Jane and Phil Ward.

[@dylanangel2870]

the banning of the 190e wasnt about the car it was banning phil ward who lives solely to be on the warpath against cams/MA

[@alaricbragg7843]

@@dylanangel2870 I didn't know it was banned. I was referring to Ward's efforts as a Privateer. Denny Hulme did well at Bathurst in what would later become one of Ward's cars too.

[@Grant80]

In short SVG knifed stones brothers I. The back he retired after he signed with Tehno. Merc weren’t allowed to compete. Their engine program was not the stretch. They are supercars for special dispensation as well as help to bring their panels up hence why the field drop rule was introduced in the supercars which worked out to be a complete failure as did not have the straight line they needed for many other straits, end up pulling the pin and leaving the sport

[@biastv1234]

I was there in 92. Fantastic event

[@PurestBollocks]

In person though, it sounded amazing. That's worth... Something

[@falconberlina8488]

GM and Ford had a 20 year head start in development, building 620 hp V8s, rev limited to 7500rpm. Supercars should afforded the DOHC more revs and less displacement They would no doubt have been able to make the required power and consumption. Supercars have pretty much done that with a 5.7 GM LS and a 5.4 Ford modular.

[@dylanangel2870]

this very this. 20 years rnd advantage isnt small. cotf rules were originally penned with the move to the engines we have now but was blocked by every team because everyone had their own engines being made and thought they could be the best

[@don_k20]

Man I miss the Volvos...

[@jacekatalakis8316]

Now do we get the Polstar Volvo, all I remember of that is Robert Dahlgren's aerobatics at Adelaide that one year, and how good the car looked, albeit in mid unplanned flight though. Volvo always strikes me as an odd one to go into the category around that timecrash

[@dylanangel2870]

they wanted to sell in Australia, then 6 months later were crying about being involved in racing and after what they did to grm while leaving, they made sure that no one in the country wanted their cars ever again

[@SimoneMX950]

@@dylanangel2870 what happened? I remember that they had a sophomore season slump after the very promising rookie campaign and that Volvo pulled the plug rather abruptly after a couple of years, but I never understood what was the "6 months complaints" thing lots of people talk about.

[@LotsOfToubleUsuallySerious]

20:34 yeah, this sound mixing is interesting. The video's great, but try to avoid that next time 👍

[@DaveAdams222]

11:56 Hell yeah brother! You SHILL that shit! HAHAHA! I love it! I'm just giving you a hard time, man! This is good stuff and allows your channel to grow!

[@Damien-jc3yl]

Best sounding car on the grid, unfair engine rules imposed on the new comers Nissan Volvo and merc

[@JOLTER15]

Ngl before watching the video, my brain immediately associated V8 Supercar and Mercedes with the SLS AMG or even the AMG GT and I was highly confused why the the AMG GT and especially the SLS sucked 💀

[@gdawwg1125]

What you said about the car being officially called an Erebus I think that's the way the series should go Have a few different body's you can choose from And you can call it what you want. Like the 888 or the red bull or whatever

[@JaxonIrving]

when Volvo did better than Merc something is seriously wrong

[@marbles2466]

do one about the volvo, that was a sweet sounding car

[@brdllc]

One of the best sounds in v8sc

[@khandallah4725]

sorry about the background music competing with your words for my attention.

[@SGstylerSG]

The video just told us australians have a bad ego problem at least back in the day

[@joshbrookes6439]

Particularly short sighted view bro. Australia's 2 biggest car manufacturers and their many supply chain partners employed hundreds of thousands of Australian workers. Back in day when our locally built large sedans were fighting it out to be the number 1 selling vehicle on Australian roads things were great, job security wasn't a problem and the Corporate big wigs and Australian Government did everything in their power to keep it that way. Its more than who makes the better car, businesses fiercely protect their interests and the government supposedly protects workers. V8 supercars is a business, a brand so naturally those at the top came up with unfair biased unsportsmanlike regulations that were clearly anti foreign brands to protect and help future proof their cashcow profit margins whilst pretending it was to protect local industry and their workers , so it little to do with the average Australians Ego as you put it and everything to do with big corporate interests protecting their shareholders and bottom dollar. They did everything to deflect accountability onto everyone else including their own loyal fanbase and Australian government. Its complicated bro.

[@pixelghostclyde8717]

Perhaps the execs at Mercedes Australia should've done their homework and looked into DTM fans before going for that angle with the head honchos in Stuttgart...

[@purwantiallan5089]

The last time Mercedes entered V8 Supercars was 10 years ago with Erebus branded cars.

[@daxter429]

Sounded incredible though

[@LotsOfToubleUsuallySerious]

How to solve the issues with nationalism: don't have national brands 25:41 i mean, Stock Car is going to have SUVs from 2025 onwards, and both motorsports don't have national cars (not as if we had any to begin with, as i stated). So what's worse, SUVs or unobtainable cars?

[@FailedRacers]

SUVs are definitely worse ngl

[@tylermathis-kx7pu]

Alright, Failed racers. I’ve got one for you: the 1978 Dodge Magnum and 1981 Dodge Mirada NASCAR race cars…

[@volt_8339]

that option is funny

[@rambo_r3239]

great video tho, not much light is ever put on this car and I've always loved it from forza!

[@gerardcrabb4556]

Homologation process is problem can't match dohc to pushrod should have made ford and Holden run factory engines sooner...

[@dylanangel2870]

that was the plan

[@Gangstameister42]

HOLDEN RAAAHHHH ‼️‼️‼️‼️

[@privateinformation2960]

no they didnt. they had a homologated 'car of the future' frame with plastic bolt on panels and a boilerplate v8 with mercedes stickers all over it. Beginning of the end. Didnt win on Sunday, couldnt buy on Monday.

[@FailedRacers]

That's sort of true, but the bolt on panels were mostly steel for some reason, which is really weird for a silhouette.

[@TassieLorenzo]

@@FailedRacers All the cars had carryover steel Project Blueprint panels to start with. Only the composite front quarter panels had been allowed in 2007 (before that teams used to roll the steel quarter panels), however the shortened rear doors of the FG and VE were both OEM steel items that have been physically cut shorter and rewelded. Back then (Project Blueprint/early COTF) the rules were that the steel inner side panel pressing and steel support structures for the front and rear lights had to be used. After all, Project Blueprint had evolved from a full production bodyshell of the VY/BA (consistent with the earlier VP/EB and VT/AU) to a replacement sheet metal floorpan to allow the VE and FG to be shortened to match the older cars, but all the rest was still meant to be OEM. It was only the ZB Commodore that introduced a lot of composite replacement panels & structure, and the Mustang which used even more. 🙂

[@pastrapatur1034]

11:35 i dont think its a good idea to put white text on a white background also holy shit fave reveal

[@FailedRacers]

Ahaha, I thought I got rid of that text bit altogether lol, it was just hiding from me

[@mrdiamond365_]

V8 Supercars needs the Kia Stinger. Change my mind. It needs better racing, I miss COTF.

[@Low760]

22:16 low tech? The ls called.

[@handoru9497]

that text option was funny

[@cnvdh3514]

Great video just the music on the last part was louder than your voicemakikg it hard to hear yoh

[@NakiriX1]

so basically aussie mercedes was going all purist while the actual mercedes amg division was like: oh ya wanna race an e63 in aussie land with a big ole v8? hell yea i wanna see that shit

[@FailedRacers]

Yep, exactly

[@is_fpr5f1]

Toyota have confirmed they will enter the championship with 4 cars in 2026!!

[@rahar_peru]

Its a 100% obvious that merc amg would approve it nontheless... People fail to understand that mercedes IS something pretty "basic" or... "work class" brand in germany. U tell them "oh but your brand is premium, you cant race here with the rest of the blue collar people" and they just say "well we are not giving them the S class, we give them our work class vehicles, the C, the E... thats cheap"

[@dylanangel2870]

at our peak here because of strong taxes mercedes can lean back on a very very expensive brand and because they carry no spare parts the servicing is intense so only the rich would want it. you can get slightly more luxurious commodores with 600hp ls engines and big brake package for the price of a bottom 3 series or E or A series and interior was similar quality, mercedes was probably a little better actually. but you took the non german car and you can drive away with pocket money still.

[@rahar_peru]

@@dylanangel2870 nah i mean, u are right, i get it... but I thought about the mentality from AMG and why would they approve it... but in germany having a C or even an E class is not "high-income"... amgs maybe, but they were not gonna be exactly amgs

[@marfrandema1884]

It wasn't a real mercedes in the sense it wasn't an official factory car

[@alexhilberts2666]

Improved production racing is much more interesting to watch. IPRA. even some one make series like the hyundai's and the nissan pulsars are more interesting.

[@FailedRacers]

My only issue with Improved Production is that it's not full time pro drivers, what I want to see is some high powered production touring cars with full time pro drivers, but such a championship doesn't really exist unfortunately.

[@haydengault2568]

Even the Volvo S60

[@Racers-Setup-Guide]

They didn’t need AMG, they needed Ilmor

[@kondjanegongo796]

So Australia had a series with cars not from Australia? Just rebrands

[@Picks_Productions]

Unfortunately any car that doesn’t have ties to GM, will get shafted in this series.

[@AutoJunkie-AU]

I’d happily have that old g27 of your lol 😂

[@FailedRacers]

Ahaha, a couple problems, one is that I'm using it as essentially an oversized adaptor for the G27 shifter, and the other being that it's somehow lost its centre meaning it's right hand down.

[@cinimini4854]

11:35 please don't do white text over a white background lol

[@FailedRacers]

It's quite funny. The text wasn't supposed to be there at all, I thought I deleted it, but it was actually hiding on a white background. You didn't miss anything important though

[@TankSlappr]

The V8 saloon and coupe is a dying breed. If they want to get all the manufacturer support back they'll have to ditch the V8s which I don't think is going to happen. Manufacturers are only incentivized to make hybrid/electric compacts and SUVs nowadays.

[@paulthompson1654]

The HP limit applied to everyone to promote equal driver racing . Or if u had unlimited it becomes a wallet racing class . This sends most car racing series broke . . Promoting turbo cars against N/A Naturally aspirated was never going to work in the early days .

[@stuartwhite1628]

Wasn't even factory backed.

[@1091Alcatraz]

Pretty soon itll be called the Lithium ion battery Rc cars championship due to every manufacturer going EV,and everyone will be drinking Miller lites and other hipster drinks.What a nightmare 😂

[@connorbingel7134]

Imagine having your series just becoming a worse version of an American series while racing American cars

[@christianhorner001]

Tony Cochrane's deception all over this

[@ihaia829]

Love ya Greg Murphy

[@AlonsoRules]

Supercars has only ever been Holden and Ford and bogans who only care about the sound - the rest came, were too slow (except Scott in the Volvo briefly) and then ran away

[@JossRickard]

Ironic considering bogans ended up buying Mercedes C63s anyway. Default boganmobiles these days

[@FailedRacers]

It's basically the European Commodore

[@chiseledmedal2634]

Surprise face moment

[@nico_6285]

Do the Mercedes CLR next

[@D_ND_H]

Way to kill a sport 😅 whats the point of gatekeeping if nothing is behind the gate? 🤣

[@The_Evil_Monkey_93]

Also a correction, the 650bhp most definitely applied to the Ford and Chevroiet engines

[@FailedRacers]

Not quite. www.foxsports.com.au/motorsport/supercars/special-investigation-shows-v8-supercar-engines-are-evenly-matched/news-story/fad056f604b6d15a1cd7b5d81333b8a9 Basically the rule was that the new manufacturers were not allowed to exceed the peak figure of the existing manufacturers, which was 654hp, this maximum did not apply to the existing manufacturers, but the maximum was set based on how much horsepower they already had at the start of 2014. However, that's not to say that the Holdens and Fords had less than 654hp at the end of 2014. The teams were developing their engines to increase horsepower, and Holden and Ford didn't have to follow the same rules as Volvo, Nissan, and Mercedes. www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/motor-sport/v8-supercars/v8-supercars-teams-spend-56-million-on-engine-war-to-break-300kmh-speed-barrier-at-bathurst/news-story/ec3453cd45e090e51d233dd1a17ae21f?nk=a2ec7940f49b03799d3c67c66746e1fa-1721046167

[@joshiek7839]

@@FailedRacersreading comprehension fail.

[@dylanangel2870]

@@FailedRacers IT LITERALLY SAYS THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HP FIGURE POSTED BY THE FALCON. 650~ was the series limit so that someone doesnt turn up with way more and we have to fir through a decade of 1 team driving off and winning everything like european racing always turns into (also 20650 is deffo a typo or theybe be going through alot more tires )