Mercury Avator vs EPropulsion Spirit 1.0 Plus | Electric Outboards

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[@TinyBoatNation]

Cross review on the *Newport NT300* - kzbin.info/www/bejne/boWbhXaopNONbbs

[@perrenfederico]

1000 uSd markup solely based on brand recognition shouldnt be a thing at all, either in powertools or boat engines

[@otm646]

You're not buying the name recognition, you are buying the service and support. The Mercury units can be brought anywhere. ePropulsion has zero dealer presence.

[@perrenfederico]

@@otm646 because its a new company. With a product that is more eficient and cheaper than most. Choosing a product that needs servicing constantly and is more expensive and less reliable shouldnt be a 1000uSd markup

[@jplowedge4255]

That, was an awesome, unbiased, thorough review !! I love it. I like the portability of the E-propulsion too.

[@TinyBoatNation]

Thanks for watching!

[@nickbarr3105]

Yessir

[@islandinflatables]

UNBIAS? This dude gets free stuff from epropulsion. Who do you think hes promoting?

[@sebastian2fn]

Absolutely amazing reviews Mike, great job, awesome comparison and really nice editing! Well done 👍

[@TinyBoatNation]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@chrisroberts3963]

Thanks Mike and Nick. I can sleep well tonight knowing I have the Spirit!

[@andrewstone1868]

E propulsion is very poor quality and doesn't last i have one regrettably...

[@TinyBoatNation]

I have one and it’s awesome! Best investment I ever made!

[@Fun.Guy.Forager]

The models that carried the Avator motor are most likely lifting it without the battery. You should try the new 20e or 35e avator motor. They are lighter without the battery 47 pounds. They also can use third party batteries.

[@sharonbraselton4302]

wrñg

[@fireantfishing]

The merc does look good though...

[@TinyBoatNation]

Truth

[@danlazer8762]

After a lot of researching and chewing on it and getting used to how expensive these motors are I bought the Spirit 1.0 and absolutely love this thing.

[@TinyBoatNation]

Good choice!

[@johnfolds8034]

Thank you. Very informative and unbiased. I’ve been looking at Torqueedo, Newport and Epropulsion and even though you didn’t review the other two I think your review of Epropulsion is all I need to know

[@RenegadeADV]

There are a few issues I have with your review here, first is you fudged the numbers in the narration, saying the Merc drew 5500-5800 watts @ 4mph, which it was really 550-580, At the same speed the Spirit was at 580 watts, which means that they at this speed were dead even, and I suspect that they are going to be on par with each other up to a point, until you get to the maximum end of the power consumption range because the Spirit is a smaller motor than the Merc, only by .5 hp, but that is still 372 watts difference (assuming a direct scale in power consumption) The other issue I have with the test, is that this was just a fishing trip, this was not a test with controls, other than swapping between the two boats, but what is missing here is the fact that you did not run each motor on the same route in the same current and wind conditions which can have a massive effect on the performance of the motor. The other issue is on the top end test on your boat, likely the top speed you achieved is the top speed of the boat seeing as that it did not come up on plane, which means you are constrained by hull speed. What is actually impressive here is that the Merc gave you 4.8 mph where as the Spirit gave 4.5, which the .3 difference does not sound like much, however, it equates to 6-7% more speed and depending on where the wall for hull speed is on your boat those small incremental changes are actually quite power intensive once you reach hull speed which is why I suspect at full output the Merc was faster as it does have a 3 blade prop and an extra half of a horse power which translates into more ability to push the boat which also requires more energy. Thus the conclusion finding that the smaller motor used less power to go at a slower max speed and thus won is false as at the same speed the Merc may have well been more or even identically efficient. What I think would have been an interesting test would be to run a line from your boat to nicks, and put the spirit against the Merc at full power to see which one was more powerful and then at what power setting they were matched on the more powerful motor. Looking at the test you did I actually come away from it thinking the Merc is the better motor for the fact that it got more top speed, which translates into more ability to push against current which is quite important. I also like the way the battery loads into the Merc better, I got to get my hands on each motor at the Port Townsend boat show today, and while the Merc battery does not float, the handle is much more ergonomic and requires no plugs. The other aspect of this is with the Merc battery having a smaller footprint, it means a spare battery or two is going to take up less space on the boat if you go that route. The Merc as a whole is heavier, but the construction also feels more robust to me, It is about a 16 lb difference, well if you think about how much metal is in a 16 lb dumbell, that gets you an answer as to about how much more material is in this motor (although aluminum is ~1/3 the weight of steel) All of that being said, it seems to me these motors are close to each other in value, I think someone could do just fine with either one, they seem to be a good product. It seems to me that really it boils down to which one suits your needs more, especially considering on some smaller boats that 16 lbs lighter weight will make a difference.

[@davidcooper2516]

Great review, and I am certainly satisfied with my E-Propulsion 1.0 Plus that I purchased along with an extra battery from Tiny Boat Nation. I use it with an inflatable tender, and as a kicker on my 16' Lund fishing boat. Works great in both uses.

[@tiguan1964]

Hey fellas just wondering about solar charging, how much gain is there?

[@TinyBoatNation]

I think it’s pretty good gain. A lot of people do that mod on the Epropulsion

[@andrewstone1868]

1kw = 1.34hp NOT 3hp

[@thefacialtourettedemon1501]

This pond prowler build is dreams I’m working my butt off to catch up with bills and save up for a pro pond monster kit and the mercury 7.5e is a dream motor. I just got my dads prowler passed down to me this summer and it’s been a key to happiness and go find you guys is just something that will make that little boat so much better.

[@user-tx3jh5ii6f]

That was very informative, did you do any test with how well the battery last during unused time and how safe they are to things like very low capacity and high/low temperatures? Especially wondering about this with all the battery fires you hear around

[@brunohoffman295]

Its is great to even have electric outboards to compare. These units have come a long way. The Green Boater community applauds the move to cleaner and cheaper power on the water! Kudos. #onemillionboater pledge

[@bluedoggum8373]

What is the equivalent horsepower needed on an outboard to match the epropulsion speed at wide open throttle?

[@1218omaroo]

I like my Spirit 1.0 very much. I powers my Zodiac 2.3m tender with no problems whatsoever as a marina runabout and shopping trolley off the mooring. Battery life is fantastic, and even better with the optional solar kit. Great motor.

[@bourbonstreetla]

Is it possible to adjust the depth of the motor for use in very shallow water?

[@andrewstone1868]

1 kw = 1.34 hp NOT 3hp Google it

[@TinyBoatNation]

That formula doesn’t take into account the actual performance. The performance from these two is equivalent, to that of a three horse four stroke.

[@andrewstone1868]

@TinyBoatNation The out put of 1kw is 1.34hp you may feel its more but the engineering is 1.34hp I have one and not impressed poor quality.

[@fabianvellos5215]

Nice.would like to see larger e-engines

[@Christopheren]

They seem like glorified trolling motors as far as speed goes . I don’t own one so I could be wrong .

[@LewisWobbly]

With that 1k difference you can get that green Newport nt300 motor shown in the video!🤣 Both EP and Merc are over priced imo.

[@TinyBoatNation]

The Newport stinks.. wait for it

[@LewisWobbly]

@@TinyBoatNation I would also like to point out EP spirit1.0 weighs almost 20kg with the battery too, not so much easier than carrying the Avator without the battery, what video shows about the carrying feeling is just misleading. I don't think Newport is that bad either, EP or Newport they are both Chinese products, at least Newport gets the price right, if I have to spend 26k to buy a motor, I definitely go with Torqeedo, only the German quality justifies such price point.

[@nickbarr3105]

@@LewisWobbly - Torqeedo unfortunately has a terrible reliability reputation with their travel series - and their parts are still made in China - just assembled in Germany....until they update their travel series they are left in the dust. As for weight - the Avator's total combo weight is significantly heavier than either the newport or eprop in real world application.

[@davehaag8175]

I love the look

[@farnorth7314]

Where did you get the tiller handle extension for the E Propulsion??

[@TinyBoatNation]

I’m pretty sure it’s just a trolling motor extension

[@lakkchina]

Mercury only need to upgrade the battery to be in the same level.

[@ShaneFlintOutdoors]

Loved the review, I hope Mercury comes out with a larger electric option in the future. I am also looking forward to your review of the Newport NT300. I have been running it hard for about 6 weeks and I impressed. I just put a review of it @ kzbin.info/www/bejne/raPbgqyibKt0oas

[@TinyBoatNation]

That motor is questionable at best. My review will be out soon for it.

[@ShaneFlintOutdoors]

@@TinyBoatNation interested to see your review it may provide some insights on potential issues that I have not came across yet. Appreciate your content as always.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

You're right - the Mercury looks very cool!

[@TinyBoatNation]

I think so too!

[@timcampbell6581]

Interesting review! However, several of the Mercury features such as the easy drop connect into the transom mount, quick connect battery (no cables), adjustable tiller handle, compatible app, more vivid display, warranty, etc., are all better than the e-Propulsion IMO. Additionally, Mercury has a significantly better dealer support network. I agree with much of what you said...but there are several features and benefits that were left off the stat comparisons.

[@nickbarr3105]

Tim, the Warranty on a Merc is 3 years versus 5 for the EPropulsion Spirit - and it weighs almost 30 lbs more and $1000 more for less runtime....a big no for most portable boaters. For an extra $1K you can double your runtime with a Spirit 1.0 Plus with an additional battery Mercury made a sexy motor, but they missed the mark on truly serving their customer. Was expecting a feat of engineering for the extra money...and all we got was a sexy looking heavy motor with less real world performance than all its competitors on the market. I'd consider that a bummer for the average user.

[@timcampbell6581]

@@nickbarr3105 Please don't get me wrong...I was simply saying there are notable Avator features that were not mentioned. Having owned both, I can say the Mercury is more than just a sexy looking motor. While the weight consideration is valid, I think differential (10lbs for just the motor) was exaggerated. Watch the video I posted my wife carrying it just fine. I'm not here to make a case for one over the other. Just saying there's more to consider. Decisions we make are not always binary. Respectfully.

[@nickbarr3105]

@@timcampbell6581 totally understand - the weight comparison is for the motor and battery combined - without the battery its much easier to handle but still on the heavy side. I'll be curious to see what all the accessories come too on the merc for remote steering, throttle etc as well as the larger engines too

[@appalachiaanglerMD]

🎉 Gotta admit that Avator looks sexy

[@TinyBoatNation]

Truth

[@GooniesKFA]

Waiting on Minnkota to release theirs.

[@SD-ft6gs]

where does torqeedo fit in this comparison? any insights? also what was the other outboard you had with you?

[@chrisroberts3963]

The Spirit kicked torqeedos butt too! Anthony Jones did an in depth review of the two.

[@TinyBoatNation]

Left behind

[@ryanbristow116]

I'm glad I saw this video! I've been waiting for the Mercury to drop and now I'm second guessing it. Do you guys have any reviews of the Elco line of electric outboards? What about the Minn Kota E-Drive series? I have the Minn Kota on my small pontoon but I'm looking to convert my 16' aluminum fishing boat to electric. The Minn Kota has been around awhile, but I've had no issues on the pontoon so far.

[@TinyBoatNation]

The elco 5hp is probably the worst of the 5. I have a full video coming out on all these things.

[@EpropulsionHk]

Great review!

[@bucknuts8824]

Mike, I know this is a bit unrelated, but how much does the pond prowler weigh loaded with the kit, and power pole anchors? Is there a trailer or cart to transport these from truck to water? I want something mobile to replace my kayak

[@TinyBoatNation]

I have a video coming on it probably in the next week or two

[@72codeman]

Looked like elephant butte in a few shots

[@nickbarr3105]

you'd be right on that one...good ol Elephant Butt

[@FishingMonthly]

We have a Spirit 1.0 and they no longer support the battery, which is incredibly frustrating. I can;t buy a spare battery. F that!

[@DavidKentish-xe2xt]

Hi @FishingMonthly, this is not correct. We can still supply batteries with software to suit the older gen motors. Please contact ePropulsion Australia.

[@javierjavier7291]

Overpriced trolling motor 🧐

[@artibudzik557]

Hello ! What is Vmax?

[@rickybooby3616]

Sooo will the power poles and bracket kit ever be online to buy for the pond prowler / angler 10 mini pontoon boats? If so I definitely will be buying the kit asap! Lol.

[@TinyBoatNation]

No, this was a custom aluminum skeleton that went through the entire boat to make sure those would hold.

[@rickybooby3616]

@@TinyBoatNation I see , thanks for the reply!

[@wfogg82]

Any plans to test the Newport 36v outboard? Thanks

[@TinyBoatNation]

Coming this week

[@sussybaka165]

Merc is way over priced

[@texasgreentea1]

Great review of ePropulsion vs Avator! I feel like the Newport got shortchanged a bit... no specs... no water test... no price comparison. It felt a bit out of place getting 10% attention compared to the 45% each for the other two.

[@segstron]

I agree. I'm looking for a good comparison, but it seems to be a bit biased here not showing the same comparison with the lower cost option.

[@texasgreentea1]

@@segstron I think he had too much Newport footage to fit in this video. He did a whole video on just the Newport a few days ago.

[@TinyBoatNation]

The Newport review is out.

[@chrisbahl6649]

maybe in 10 yrs these will be worth the cost, a trolling motor get you 3.5mph on most yaks or small boats. the extra 1.5mph is not worth the cost. these things need to be hitting 10mph and half the weight before i would consider buying

[@Marioguajardo3167]

Wow they both look good

[@brandonkushall8860]

Can you do a video with the sound of all the motors and interested in how the Newport compares at a lower price point

[@TinyBoatNation]

The Newport review is coming this week

[@nickbarr3105]

The Newport is loud like a sewing machine, similar to the Torqeedo. The Merc is pretty quiet but plows a lot of water if you don't have the right shaft height.

[@dennisswroptr4382]

have you ever heard of the new propeller design that's supposed to be better for speed and fuel efficiency?

[@TinyBoatNation]

For which motor?

[@dennisswroptr4382]

@Tiny Boat Nation um I don't know that. I just know that the blades are 3d looking. Meaning the blades are fluid looking looks like ribbons.

[@baldok14]

He's speaking of Sharrow Props but they are for at least 150 hp now. They grab the water better and have less slippage and less turbulence, increasing efficiency by about 30-45%. They are also quiter because of less turbulence. The geometry is called toroidal props.@@TinyBoatNation

[@ikesquirrel]

My minn kota does 5 mph, why get these if they only do 6?

[@sharonbraselton4302]

heàvey bàteríéß

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Buy ektroc bayokiner. 52 mph

[@LCF2008]

First comment

[@tipuncher]

Et???

[@wesleysharp4245]

Man, that’s not a bad price and would be great for my 14ft flat bottom.

[@TinyBoatNation]

Yessir!

[@wesleysharp4245]

Where about are you guys located. I’d like to set up my boat and wondering what it would cost. The good thing is I can get some of my supplies from Home Depot or Other supply houses with a Military discount.

[@sharonbraselton4302]

sçiút ¹⁴5 hybred ⁵⁰ hp ektruç

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Yes buy it

[@andrewstone1868]

It's not 3hp more like 1.8hp Google kilo watts to hp . Theses are really poor quality mine broke after 3 uses .. Good luck ..

[@TinyBoatNation]

He can match the speed and intensity of a rated gas three horse. This has been proven.

[@mikeshuck2760]

I need a Kicker for trolling. 22ft fishing boat. electric should be on the way to avoid all the small gas engine wows.

[@sharonbraselton4302]

big eltri c outbatd

[@jackal9882]

damn

[@TinyBoatNation]

Lol

[@tiguan1964]

hello has anyone tried the epropulsion in the weeds and grass? how weedless is the prop?

[@TinyBoatNation]

It’s not terribly bad. It may mix them Minnkota weedless props and it’s really easy to de-weed it if it gets jammed up

[@tiguan1964]

@@TinyBoatNation thanks I’m definitely looking forward to getting one in the spring

[@nishownnishow1286]

What is the price for mercury 7.5e

[@nickbarr3105]

Your Left Kidney

[@nickbarr3105]

$3900

[@Kana0211]

​@@nickbarr3105for that price, I can get a nice used boat with a 115. Lmao

[@classicarcadeamusementpark4242]

I love my 10 year old+ Torqeedo Travel 1003s motor which was years ahead of anyone making these type of motors. How does the Torqeedo 1103 battery compare for usage? Regardless of everything, knowing you can get your motor serviced (ideally locally) and buy various parts for it locally is more important than how efficient the battery life is and some of the other things. But the real question to ask, when your motor is 12 years old, do you have enough trust in the Chinese ePropultion or other new competitors to Torqeedo to believe you'll be able to buy a replacement battery, get parts or get it serviced? I have an official Torqeedo repair center an hour from me. Torqeedo is the leader in these kind of motors. The others are all knock offs. Torqeedo is much more widely distributed than the others and far more in circulation. Around here, there are many different places I can walk in and buy a Torqeedo motor, battery, propeller, shear pins, charger, magnet, etc, etc. I don't have to go on the Internet, hope I can trust the places selling the motors or parts and hope they are in stock and don't damage anything on the way over. There is a lot to be said for all this of Torqeedo!

[@TinyBoatNation]

Torqeedo is now in 3rd place. They are the pioneers, and they are reliable. But they’re behind in battery technology, and overall in modern technology. These two motors will outrange the Travel 1103, and are more powerful

[@classicarcadeamusementpark4242]

@@TinyBoatNation Small improvements in some ways, but when all is said and done, those other factors I mentioned are more important. And will those companies still be around, or here today gone tomorrow like some many companies? Besides ePropultion, who else makes a compact battery like Torqeedo?

[@classicarcadeamusementpark4242]

@@TinyBoatNation Even if true, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to choose them over a Torqeedo for all the other reasons I spoke of. All things have to be considered. At the end of the day, most users don't use products to the max and every little feature of them, and what really matters most is if they do what you need and you can get service, and buy replacement parts with the minimum hassle. I buy Toyota cars not because they are necessarily the best cars available, but because I know they are decent, there are lots of parts available and finding service for them is easier than some cars. Torqeedo is #1 in the things that matter to me, and the things that shouldn't be over looked and should matter a lot to most people.

[@morongene]

Two 30lb minn kotas would outperform all of them.

[@TinyBoatNation]

No….just no.

[@morongene]

@@TinyBoatNation proof is already out there.

[@John-tb5er]

@@morongene link?