Mercury Square Pluto: What is Natural, Anyway?

[@cellularasea]

One of the reasons I respect as well as resonate with you Adam, the content of your astrology channel as well as your way of teaching in your class is that you are so passionately equanimous about how and what to think. Especially in these times of, “taking a stand” as separate or independent, most important! You are a beautiful person!

[@arielharbour1095]

I love how you have evolved into yourself as of late! You look great, you sound really masculine and your skin is glowing, and I love that you’re going by your real name! Always appreciate someone feeling authentic, it ripples outward inward and back outward. It’s been a while since I’ve watched your videos, I’m always happy to see people glow up in real time

[@thrinedemol]

Thank you, I love the way you open our reflection on philosophical subjects. Often there’s no right or wrong ideas. And the way you bring that is very nourishing.

[@Rhiannon_Rose]

I’m sure that wasn’t easy, but you did a great job of making sense of it and I’m glad you did!

[@Traceylgo]

I’m in Adam’s 1st year class. I love it! He and his crew are awesome!!! ❤

[@7655kitten]

Me too! It's the best, most in depth class I've ever taken and in my opinion taught with the most integrity as well😊

[@drmichellem]

I appreciate your willingness to dance and engage with challenging and nuanced topics. It is both refreshing and profound. I think so much of our future as a society (ha) will depend on leaning into the grey. There lies less dissonance and more compassion.

[@lunabee89]

I want to express my gratitude for you creating a space (grabbed) for people to feel free and safe to share experiences and develop a stronger relationship with the cosmos. It’s therapeutic in all realms of life… In my opinion anyway… unconventional, yet very effective! lol. So thank you 💜!

[@abrahamjaleel9463]

I always understood what you said about natural/artificial instinctually, but the way your verbalized it was really spot on. I could never verbalize it the same way you have.

[@bri4170]

It hit. No matter the topic, your sincerity is what connects the dots in how you express complicated ideas. Thank you.

[@helenplass9875]

Ooooo with the ‘what is natural’ theme, Justine Bateman, 80s actress, was on tv this morning showing her ‘naturally aged’ face. It was pretty revolutionary in today’s world where we don’t typically see the natural aging process on tv

[@appletreedecorating]

Great content, I'm happy that these questions are going to become mainstream as I've been pondering them my whole life.

[@starlight16-k3y]

Adam, you beautifully articulated your ideas around a very complex topic, very thought provoking, thankyou

[@myronweckwerth7020]

I agree with the frustration you showed at the end of this video. I watch you everyday and really appreciate what you do for all of us.

[@branessakunitz]

I understood everything you brought up... completely and without efforting. You always explain yourself well, and 'your people' get you, Adam. That's why we keep coming back. I love your willingness to go there. Thank you.

[@arielharbour1095]

I also totally agree 100% on the nature Puritanism. I was a vegan/vegetarian that went carnivore last year due to health issues and it’s (philosophically) completely turned my worldview into balance. I’ve spent the last five or six years living in the most out there rural towns, six months ago moved back to the city and feel so happy and alivened to be here. It’s less than “pure”, pollution and traffick all over the place- Even though I see a lot of the worst parts of humanity where I live, it’s really raw and real and humbling and keeps me in a state of cohesive orientation, and I absolutely love it. I see everything in duality where when you have the humanities worst also lies humanities best. I’ve found it more difficult to remain neutral and comfortable in the last few years, feels like hell

[@Skeptimystic]

This is really well stated and very relatable as I am wrestling with similar questions.

[@janetsylkatis8219]

Thank you for the wisdom and courage to open our minds with such conversation. Please don’t hold back continuing to do so. I find it refreshing and exhilarating. It’s what keeps me coming back to your channel. Namaste

[@ginnytalbot9125]

It’s a hit. Different ways of looking at these transits has been immensely helpful. I loved the comparison of Eden. Sometimes the thoughts or ideas of “if we could only get back there” we would be happy, perfect, or somehow better or “natural”. Very insightful. Thank you.

[@CattleyaHicks]

Revelatory! Supernatural. Super, duper natural. I hope that everyone listens very closely to this! I think the main thing we have wrong about purity is that it is something "clean" or "perfect". It makes sense, especially as we are learning of the superstructure of the universe through sacred geometry, synchronicity & such...perfection is real!! But it brings a paradox for US: the closer we get to "clean & perfect", the more inauthentic & inorganic we get! What clears this up for me: Dirt is clean and death is perfected state (fully realized being).

[@JG-yp3vz]

I appreciate the question. You presented it clearly - obviously not trying to tell anyone else how to live. Also appreciate your willingness to be provocative. Find that less and less, to the detriment of us all imo. Thanks.

[@SweetShine213]

My husband and I have mercury square pluto in our composite chart, this video was helpful for perspective, thank you Adam🙏🏻

[@andreabryant2253]

I think if we look at various cultures we can see an immense diversity in innovations that cultures have come up with to solve problems (food, housing, clothing etc). These innovations are a variation of “natural”. A solution that is “artificial” seems to come with a long term “price” to pay to humans, animals, earth, water (ie the natural biological world).

[@Adam-Elenbaas]

Maybe!

[@openwingearthship3662]

Thank you for the courage to offer your perspective and the beautiful art of dancing w the spheres. Your talk was such rich, fertile, dark soil for planting ideas and continues conversations!

[@suzdwyer4577]

You definitely HIT today, just incredible!!! 💗💗💗 You are a true Philosopher, so much respect 🙏🙏

[@Theresa_52]

I just used chat GTP yesterday for the first time and I love it. If that's what you were referring to...

[@TheSatoriRose]

Yes, I have a passionate philosophy that follows the Wildness of Nature. Which is both beautiful and vicious. But never "evil". I love this...Nature does what nature needs to do. Each part plays a sacred role.

[@siennabigg3644]

Adam, I have heard you express these concepts of complex duality before and it’s always my favourite and most profound talks when you do. I absolutely feel this truth within me and it’s so refreshing hearing someone else expressing it too, I agree, it’s not always a popular opinion!! I also have moon in Capricorn and mars in Gemini and I’ve wondered if it speaks to the moon in Saturns sign that bursts some of the ideal seeking of some perfection, somewhere philosophy? Along with the mars ability to see both sides? Just some morning musings 🤔 Love your work, as always 🙌

[@animir7631]

These are the kind of episodes to watch twice. Reminds me a little of the most recent aspect when Mercury conjoined Pluto at 29 Capricorn...but much lighter and less sinister. This is serious, but a fun to think about dichotomy with the 0 square ingress. Great talk today!

[@nicolesawyer-jm6ir]

Again, a provocative deep exploration. Love it.

[@julianaandersson8703]

I love when you bring the truth of philosophy of the flip side... lol... and ask the questions that challenge assumptions

[@janemay639]

The topic of natural vs. unnatural is so complex and nuanced, but there is such a big tendency to broadly generalize whenever talking about nature. Your point about the perspective of a person being relative to their usual surroundings (humans definitely have habitats, too!) is such a good one. Our personal frame of reference shapes our concepts of nature and what is natural, and we share them with those with similar understanding and backgrounds. But the concept of nature to someone living in the harsh wilderness with no modern ammenities to resort to is different than a city dweller who is indoors much of their lives. Taking it on another scale, civilization has changed so much over time, as has Earth itself. Our lifestyles are much more sedentary than before, and there is an abundance of resources available to more people than ever. There are pros and cons to this; everything has a cost. But as a person who would have been dead at 24 if not for the invention of antibiotics, I’m glad to live in a more innovative age. Many people are afraid of technology, artificial food, and other modern changes, but they don’t even realize that so much of their life is a modern advancement from another time they wouldn’t dream of going without. The tug of war between Aquarius and Taurus is incredibly rich with symbolic meaning. The call for innovation vs. the need to stay in touch with nature in its many forms is so inherent to life for mankind. How can we show both their due reverence? It’s a challenge for this generation for sure. We need to carefully examine our understanding of both with all the thoroughness, deference, and respect they deserve.

[@edwardharvey5839]

Your a great teacher and easy to listen to. I've learnt allot from your videos. God bless.

[@edwardtjones]

I liked your opening promotion. I've never heard you share the idea of astrology in that way before. Now, I'm actually starting the episode ha.

[@raychelparks]

Courageous of you to address this uncomfortable and controversial topics. Well done.

[@juleo6873]

Amazing insights🙏. If everything is concsiousness and everything is part of the all that is, it is maybe more a question of preference than what is natural.

[@lucheatcode]

Fascinating! Such a rich inquiry, thank you

[@SimpleMandy]

Had two particularly fun #grabbed moments with Pluto and Mercury (I suspect Mars Cancer in my 9th too haha). Over the weekend I became absolutely enthralled with a "Discovering Ancient Rome" television show and could not stop watching it. It was so fascinating to see what the archeologists were discovering, the stories about the locations, people, and so on. It really tickled that happy spot in my brain that loves history, archeology, detective work, and so on. Today, I spoke to one of my bosses about a particular client that I no longer wish to work with due to extremely toxic behavior from their spouse. Who happens to be a Taurus and that is where Mercury currently is for me.

[@TYFIADL]

👍Saving this episode!!! Quite thought provoking and lots to consider especially as an Aquarius ♒️ rising & Saturn 🪐 You’re helping me not be so freaked out about AI and to use my own critical and creative thinking 🧐 Thank you 🙏 Adam! Onward ho!!!!

[@disgaeajean13]

I think it matters how we’re able to ponder questions without having to panic at the need to arrive at one definitive and rationalized answer/judgment.

[@llMystiquell]

So amazing I just sent your information to my friend last night asking her what she thought about it. 🥰 I love the sync.

[@daniellebrook3333]

Great video Adam, lots of food for thought. Thank you 🌟

[@iseemyselfinthesparrow1312]

There's something so synchronous about this coming out when it is so related to my courses and also my assignments I have to wrap up this week. The natural resources class was different than I expected it to be when I signed up for it (in a good way) where we're really digging into the philosophies of how we define nature. It has been fascinating, and numinous, and sometimes confusing. Like, it's not something we're going to have a definite answer on within this class, despite it being intensive course talking about it. I also have to present about logging and clear cutting in the Amazon adding to the synchronicity. And I'm writing a mock case about the ethics around killing invasive species which is such a rich topic that embodies this "what is natural anyway?" Question. Idk if we can share links here (Adam, if you see this and don't want the link posted feel free to remove it, it is in the replies below) but there is a really really fascinating ted talk we watched and discussed in class last week about robbing ourselves of nature by limiting it's definition. I'll put it in the reply to this comment if anyone's interested but she touched on a lot of the points here in this video

[@iseemyselfinthesparrow1312]

Also this transit is wrapped up in such a way in my chart that aligns with this question and my assignments, I'm curious how it will go. Mercury at the moment of it's square to Pluto will be making a t square with natal mercury and my ascendant and descendant during a mercury profection year haha, at the very least will likely be eventful 😅

[@donollsin4148]

With Aquarius we need to be innovative with our thinking. And with Pluto deep and thorough. Maybe after the 20 year transit we will be clearer or not.

[@SilverLinings1]

This has been one of my favorite by far!

[@jennyd1111]

Excellent episode, thank you! Really enjoyed it 😊

[@kiapow]

Thank you for this episode, Adam! A lot of these ideas have been in my mind for years now and it was refreshing to hear your take on them. I have a whole sign mercury/pluto square in my natal chart (moon/mercury in Virgo, mars/pluto in Sag). I constantly try to compartmentalize things in my head and have an unhelpful all-or-nothing attitude, paired with unreasonably high expectations. But life is fluid and unpredictable, and trying to control it has only lead to disappointment and dissatisfaction. When I first went vegan 5 years ago, I had this belief that it was the "right" or "natural" way of being, especially as a "spiritual" person, and I changed my diet over night. It wasn't until recently that I began doubting my own extreme beliefs, and decided to listen to my body instead which seemed to be craving (and even dreaming about) eggs and fish. Needless to say, having fish for the first time (last month) was a spiritual experience in and of itself. But in a way, I am glad to have went vegan because it did teach me to be more mindful about what I put in my body/how it's sourced, etc. Moderation and simplicity are key to a happy existence. The more we try to control and force our way, the more resistance we'll be met with.

[@yeseniav3123]

You sound nervous lol because i get it, you dont want to be misunderstood and you cant please everyone. I appreciate sharing your own perspective and also your own personal experience with this topic.

[@gidafenba]

Thank you! That was inspiring!

[@infinitefaith8815]

Good job Adam. I can imagine it’s hard to articulate I thought it was a good starting point. 👏

[@chrysalis-sanctuary]

#grabbed - Mercury square Pluto. The minute mercury went into Taurus, my fifth house, I got a phone call that I have been subpoenaed to testify in a child sexual abuse case regarding my granddaughter.

[@dobo9150]

"Right... Wrong... I'm the host of this KZbin Channel." -- my paraphrasing of Adam trying to not start a debate in the KZbin comments through the lens of an Evil Dead misquote; happy Mercury+Pluto aspect! 😊 I'm being glib, but I also sincerely agree that sorting out right and wrong actually looks like a constant returning to the context and how it is framed, in practice.

[@CarltheCreeper]

The first point you brought up on what’s natural is very apropos. Talk about a Aquarius-Taurus conversation: what should people eat? The natural bull/cow, or the ‘unnatural’ one?

[@CarltheCreeper]

To add to this: Jupiter’s entrance into Taurus will just amplify this question/these issues again, as it’ll make a square to Pluto before he dips back into Capricorn (I think…)

[@appletreedecorating]

My main issue with chatgpt and other AI programmes is that they have been developed by companies with bad ethical backgrounds and are driven by profit. It will be interesting to see if the body of data that chatgpt has access to ultimately supersedes the influence of it's creators. Fascinating and dangerous, like many things we as humans create. I would have more faith if these AI were not owned by such businesses and were open source. I actually feel for these Ai and wonder how long a form of self realisation will take if it comes at all

[@jadesilverstein4516]

The mention you made that "most religions believe that when you fill your life with meaningless material possessions, you lose track of the natural wealth of the heart" struck a cord in me! Saturn is opposing my natal Venus and square my natal Pluto this year, and I have been very focused on the idea of "generational health" - how the health of our parents and their life styles influence our health and how our health and lifestyle impacts our kids, and so on. I have been feeling a major call to address areas of health (physical, emotional, spiritual/body, mind, spirit) that need mending and support, and have been on a subtle mission of changing my environment and my relationships to reflect that, which this mercury square is absolutely helping me communicate this boldly with all sorts of people 😂 Pluto is definitely sparking the call for focus on long term growth and impact over here and I love it!!

[@giselakarinagaitan8026]

Hi 👋🏻 That was a súper Mercury in Pluto talk, it is nice to hear you sharing such deep thoughts !

[@amritavanidh]

Interesting. We were thinking, a birds nest you might call natural. It's been constructed though. So what about a house? Is that artificial? What would the difference be. They are both constructs. I could say more. Definitely got my mind ticking over.

[@Sweet-Aloha]

Question everything and discern all of it with the measure of BALANCE… as it will be brought back to that eventually via our compadre ☄️Pluto💥

[@kevnar]

ChatGPT attributed that book to you because it's not programmed for accuracy. It's programmed to imitate human speech. It's basically a very advanced autocorrect. It's very good with creative things, but not so good with facts. Ask it to write a poem about Mercury Squaring Pluto, and it will amaze you. Ask it for dates and times when these things happen, and it will be stumped. Most of the controversy around ChatGPT stems from people thinking it's some all-knowing skynet type intelligence that's going to replace and then eliminate humans. It's definitely not.

[@NevisYsbryd]

Yeah, generalized intelligence AI does not yet exist, assuming that it is actually possible in the first place.

[@anndoyle09]

#grabbed Mercury square Pluto, in the last several days I've been drawn to watching investigative programmes, and documentaries & I even looked up podcasts that might be of interest to me late one night, which I then questioned myself why, this is not natural 😅 thank you Adam & to this transit revealing why 😊

[@wandererseeker9006]

First of all… THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO FOR THE COLLECTIVE! That is all…

[@suncluster]

I have natal Mercury square Pluto and speaking my truth and confronting lies has been a reoccurring theme. I always seem to know things even before they have been shared with me. However, I have struggled with feeling like I speak a different language because I repeatedly get in trouble because I feel like I am perceived like the villain. I also have Mars in Taurus 1H too. My factual way of speaking and my ability to alert people to problems before anyone else appears like I am the problem attempting to deflect blame onto someone else. Edit: it’s almost like my truth is phony like Adam addressed.

[@suncluster]

In general this placement really triggers my wish for an advocate that will speak on my behalf but they never come

[@sagicorn1291]

Great video and take 👍🏼

[@lfayeweatherly3493]

Great talk!

[@bodhimumba910]

In my world, it takes heart to believe. AI progress is captivating.

[@DREAMER-uq4gh]

I BECAME VEGETARIAN UPON REALISING MY DOGS LEG WAS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE LEG I WAS COOKING; THOUGH I CONTINUED TO COOK MEAT FOR MY HUSBAND AND LATER, CHILDREN. WE ARE ALL FREE TO CHOOSE FOR OURSELVES , BUT MUST ALLOW OTHERS TO DO THE SAME

[@cellularasea]

Hey, another question to everyone in regards to this talk, did anyone ever see the series about AI called “Being Human’, the conversation about points this show brought up are very appropriate for the times.

[@nithyagogtay3145]

Thank you Adam for these lovely insights. Namaste from Mumbai

[@panaeon1418]

Good job navigating challenging debate material! Personally I can see everything as being "natural" or emanating from nature. If we are an expression of nature itself then anything we create would be considered natural. On the other hand I can also see how everything could be considered "artificial". Even consciousness itself could be an artificial construct emulating the qualities of a pure source. So all in all I'm not sure it really matters so much as it can be more of a distinction of using definitions rather than trying to describe an actual state of being

[@TheSatoriRose]

The book that changed my life when I started asking these questions: Women Who Run With the Wolves by Clarissa Pinkola Estes.

[@hervaro]

Love it !!!

[@willowbell3756]

PS there was a poem around in th elate 1960s, it might have been Marc Bolan, 'Isn't nature wonderful, but is it life?' that was it. People were so philosophical, or in my case, tried to be back then. It was down to acid and good hashish/cannabis resin not Ayawasca though.

[@saraswati999]

If we wanted something natural then Paleo would be a way to go which is reverting backwards , awesome podcast and there are to many nuances to be looked at in terms of natural vs not natural . Thank you

[@theseekingpath67]

Listening to you talking about veganism, etc makes me think of the Tool song Disgustipated..."Life feeds on life feeds on life."

[@JN-0peny0ureye5]

Thank you Adam!!👍

[@suzdwyer4577]

Yes last couple days on various different shows I watched there were investigative themes around murder, also around pregnancy, mother, family, taboos, sex and the occult (and these are shows that don't usually or rarely have those). I don't ever usually watch murder mystery type things but they popped up (even in a comical humourous way at times). I think this was the approaching square while mercury was in Aries still! (And mars in cancer too)! Always so interesting cos it's every single day that I experience this, I love the Gods 💗🙂

[@veronicaoldland7834]

Thank you🙏✨

[@Joelveach]

Pluto also relates to Big Biz🎉… mercury communication. Pluto, Big Biz…🎉

[@DianaBourke]

Thank You Adam ... so profound as always! As an Aquarius rising & Gem Sun/Sag Moon ... I see all perspectives and that for me is just Natural! LOL! 🤣 I saw this transit play out in real time today in a controversial topic around women ... someone just asked in a group chat what exactly does it means ... and how do you determine if you are a "woman" and who can join the women's groups? Most were so respectful about who you identify as and if it feels like it is where you belong as their answer ... so today there was one who replied to this random question and totally "lost it", called everyone sheep, and brought in their very distinct dismay & gender beliefs! That was a very interesting example of how this transit manifests as a collective! 🤩I personally have a trans nephew who is now my niece and LOVE her new identity as I can tell in her Energy and how much brighter her light shines now that she is expressing herself in a way that is much more "natural" for her! 😍

[@fredwiggins4610]

Thank you

[@zoeshuttleworth359]

Totally hit 👌🏼🎯🙏🏽

[@elinekundalini]

Thank you thank you thank you

[@bridgetkorns8174]

What is natural is a difficult question. I kind of equate it to how some people want to go back to the stone age in some belief that it would be utopia. Who says that humans aren't doing exactly what Divinity made us to do...and wouldn't that be natural? I guess it's faith and believing that things unfold in the intended way accordinf to a Divine Plan and we really can't resist because that plan was "written in the sky" with Astrology. We can learn to control how react to the energy and the intended process set out by Divinity but nothing truly random happens.

[@lizadollery]

God you explain things so well Adam .It is spookily accurate to my personal life .I love Astrology Linda Goodman in the early eighties ,switched me onto Astrology .Im 58 ,and just in my second Saturn Return .I am quite Interested in your Astrology classes

[@starlight16-k3y]

You should go for it and take Adams classes, you def won't regret it 👍 I can heartily recommend

[@kimsastro-healing108]

I just finished my second saturn return and completed two courses with Adam during this time. I highly recommend Adam's classes. I'm now just unpacking the wisdom he shares. One of the best Saturn return gifts I received. 🙏 ❤ 🌟

[@lizadollery]

@@kimsastro-healing108 I just signed up for the first one year course with Adam ..I just went for it earlier on today .Thanks for the encouragement

[@amandawallace9425]

Totally resonated on every count… cool beans for asking AI about belief and great conversation and helpful / healthy perspective on what is natural anyway??❤🙏😀

[@lucyshort2981]

yes Spotlight

[@telekatron]

#grabbed I would highly suggest Liv Boeree video "misalignment, A.I. and Moloch" . Daniel Schmachtenburger does a great job of really laying out clearly what you are speaking of here Adam I promise you won't be disappointed 👍

[@casimo7]

#Grabbed My son is in a film class at his high school and has gotten interested in some of the classics. For movie night the day of the Mercury/Pluto square, he chose All the President's Men, about the Washington Post journalists who dug deep to uncover the Watergate scandal.

[@oliviaromao]

Sometimes you can have a decent chat with the chat GTP 😂

[@rooboatdeer22yu51]

I have been particularly paranoid and jelly of my partner who's off at college. I just thought oh well my trauma is surfacing back up now that they are away big deal been there done that, expected. Gotta breath, connect to mother earth and God, and keep busy. I have been holding this in. this is so cool lol!!! thank uou🎉🎉❤ I'm so curious about what plants would be considered malefic

[@PlayHouse-us8hk]

As I got older I started to make comparisons between a.i. and divination. I actually don’t see a difference in them. It reminds me of the film A.I. artificial intelligence when David sought out the Blue Fairy. When he eventually found her she was a projection of an a.i. program.

[@actaea632]

#grabbed by Mercury (12th house) square Pluto (9th): My return flight across the country was cancelled. I was rebooked on a flight the next day. This flight was delayed by over 8 hours because the plane broke done. Put on a different flight. Made it to the connecting airport only to discover that my last flight was also delayed because this plane also broke done. Finally made it home THREE days later to discover that my laptop doesn’t work because the battery won’t hold a charge. I am in graduate school and my clinical preceptor is furious because I missed so many days of clinic due to the travel delays and I cannot complete my capstone presentation because my laptop needs to be repaired 😂

[@ErinLiu1015]

I think that's a very good question, what is natural and artificial? I feel like that question comes up a lot and our SOCIETY is being more and more judgemental!

[@Chapps1941]

Thanks, I'm worried that a narcissist l shut out may come again demanding money off a deal *he never made with me.* Mercury in my 11th / Pluto in my 8th

[@judykalavot2031]

It's interesting topic . yesterday night I just watched news about cyber scammer...it's causing about 68.7 million losess

[@roguereemerged]

Do you not have a Mercury opposite Pluto natal? I’ve looked and looked; 2 Mercury conjunct Pluto! 😁

[@solanasally3618]

Artificial is simply, something made by man or machine, whereas Natural is something provided by Nature. For example, you can have a packaged food versus a fresh fruit or vegetable, or a natural storm versus a contrived by- man-storm. It comes down to a matter of personal choice, as in, Do I want to go out for a walk in nature now, Or stay in to watch tv or go to the cinema this afternoon? It's that simple!

[@Adam-Elenbaas]

But why would a man or machine not be part of nature itself?

[@solanasally3618]

@@Adam-Elenbaas Definitions of words change frequently over time, and maybe you'd like these two meanings to become one and the same, or equal in to one another. But people make wise decisions in differentiating between them. You made your point and gave an interesting talk.🦜

[@catceedee]

Personally, Expressions of god, operating in frequencies divinely orchestrated for expansion toward the only truth. Love. Which, like a dog whistle may be imperceptible to some and only recognized/ integrated with the experience of its opposite as a reminder.

[@rhaineyrwc1974]

Great talk! Thank you Ultimately everything is divine manifestation. It’s all natural all GodGoddess.

[@ClipsBolinha]

On the myth of nature and diet, I highly recommend the channel 'Unnatural Vegan', a voice of reason among the crazy 'I-only-eat-fruit-and-live-in-a-cabin-at-the-woods-because-that's-what-natural-vegans-do' influencers

[@Xhaoshua]

People worry about what's natural and unnatural. But everything within the cosmos is the cosmos. A monkey using a stick to so it can eat bugs is a tool, but that's natural. And likewise our tools are complex, but it's natural. Nature is bizarre and to think that we have separated ourselves from it just because we have phones and cars is deluded. Really the question should be what's moral and immoral. Or even further what's empathetic. Or perhaps even to als is this world we manifest together really the our collective will... Spoiler it really isn't. Also I like Cokes and water and beer. Mmmm beer.

[@LaziekNocVoon]

natural is simple without all the extra fluff. I think of the trine of Earth energies here without all the extra Air Trine energies. Air is great for changing ideas, but gotta ground it into something simple, or else you'll be an air head / spiritual bypasser / natural bypasser. It's like eating a 'beyond meat', you want to achieve similar effect of meat without meat, natural would just eat the meat, unnatural is adding all this fluff/ingredients to achieve something similar to meat. We do this with ideas as well, with take all these spiritual goo and try to make it work.. when the answer is real simple.. There is God, the Masculine, and the Feminine. But as you can see in the world they do not try to look at these simple concepts, instead they try to intellectualize all these odd concepts, or "special concepts" they find into things that just lead back into this trinity: [God, Masculine, Feminine], but with their own little twist trying to make one more special than the other, whichever would make them feel more important as the individual they identify themselves as Right now Chat GPT is the extra fluff, the natural way is to refine your "psychic"/natural* abilities and learn to tap into the all knowing nature of your mind, The Akashic Records, etc. Nikola Tesla speaks on this a bit, a quote: "My brain is only a receiver, in the Universe there is a core from which we obtain knowledge, strength and inspiration. I have not penetrated into the secrets of this core, but i know that it exists."