Mere Christendom | Doug Wilson

[@gregkotoch2765]

It was the "six plays later" that killed me. With no opposition we somehow manage to bumbled our way in for a touchdown.

[@IronCavalier]

😂💯

[@MrPruijssen]

'...what are you embracing for the sake of what you are avoiding...' Amazing!

[@garfd2]

"He wouldn't have wanted all of Babylon to think that he'd become a Christian Nationalist." 💀💀💀

[@increasedecrease7933]

"...and six plays later they scored" The funniest and best line I've heard in a long time

[@monew632]

I laughed out loud but soon realized I should have been crying. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@jonathanowen9917]

May Christ’s Kingdom be ever expanding, ever conquering.

[@southwife]

ahahaha....6 plays later....this is full of Wisdom, ravishing irony AND winsome tartness, an appetizer before supper. Many thanks, and seriously, for all the Work that you do, and your Faithfulness, THANKS, DOUG.

[@theschrocks2405]

LOL-“6 plays later”--uhhh, yes! I get you!!😂

[@Joshcaldwell24]

I’m not fully getting it yet lol

[@raquelaguiar2397]

"six plays latter they scored" I'm crying

[@sayloltothetroll6806]

Half the Christian team were trying to stop the score.

[@johnnybagofdoughnuts4193]

Yes. I have been looking for words to describe this thought for 20 years.

[@dmustakasjr]

"Theonomists... all 12 of them..." Love you Doug my brother. There are more of us out there than you might think. #GodBlessYou

[@makingsmokesince76]

Right on Doug. Keep scoring for the glory of our Christ, King of kings and Lord of lords.

[@monew632]

You usually get me smiling; sometimes get me laughing; but today you got me laughing out loud. 😂

[@lukewalker7101]

Ha! Me too!

[@whatcameofgrace]

Captain Doug- your writing is so good! and also hilarious. Keep it up, brother

[@alcottnine]

Wow! Way to address the “Christian cool kids” hypocrisy.

[@rkschell4122]

May we be ready to lead when it collapses

[@twistedlimb4053]

may we hasten the collapse

[@IgnatiusCheese]

@@twistedlimb4053 Amen

[@karanadon137]

Six plays later, 😂😂😂. Love the commentary, Pastor Doug. Thank you for sharing!

[@nathanwhite7765]

It was great, however I would have liked 7 plays later better. Not even a criticism

[@deadbod9306]

Spittin straight 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@jeremyrothrock6163]

Thank you Lord God Almighty for Doug Wilson. Keep up the assault on all these detestable ideologies brother. Victory is in Christ and Christ alone.

[@jasont79]

"Ideologues write about their Utopias--evangelists start with their neighbors." D.Wils

[@quickattackfilms7923]

“And six plays later, they scored” haha

[@Joshcaldwell24]

Help me understand that

[@quickattackfilms7923]

@@Joshcaldwell24 Well he said the Christians were the only team on the field. They were unopposed. So you’d think they’d be able to just walk the ball into the end zone but it took the Christians 6 plays to do it lol

[@Joshcaldwell24]

@@quickattackfilms7923 what is that insinuating? I know he’s being specific about something but can’t tell what lol

[@quickattackfilms7923]

@@Joshcaldwell24 He’s basically saying there’s a power gap in America and it’s prime time for Christians to fill it. But it’s going to take us stopping tripping over our own feet to do that

[@ambethk77]

Wow. I'm going to have to listen to that again.

[@LaMargaritaEveryday]

Amen!!! Excellent Doug!! Thank you 🙏🏻☺️

[@Kalamity_Bane]

“Nobody knows anything anymore.” - Doug Wilson

[@dylanbiggs3997]

I'm stealing this..

[@davidmcneill6239]

'... and six plays later, they scored." Oh dear, but how true! :'(

[@loop_fiction]

This is great.

[@theeclecticcollective8279]

SIX PLAYS LATER! 😂 You forgot how the Christians apologized for scoring because it wasn’t very “Christ-like”.

[@thelastoferrathen613]

Wait, there's eleven other Theonomist in existence, I knew I wasn't the only Crusader left. But you have convinced me on the "mere" part of Christendom.

[@tulsajhawk]

Awesome! 🔥

[@chipseal9403]

Statist and libertarian ideologies suffer from the same flaw: Both assume that men are by nature good, altruistic and virtuous.

[@dbeebee]

Libertarians absolutely do not assume that.

[@dbeebee]

@@edodt4220 Well and even if they did, I think the larger point is that the assumption about whether men are good or evil doesn't really feature strongly in the libertarian philosophy, which says, regardless of what one thinks, all acts of coercion are wrong except in self-defense.

[@johnnybagofdoughnuts4193]

@@dbeebee the issue with libertarian philosophy is actually the same issue our founder’s philosophy had. They didn’t realize that even if you create specific rules and laws that forbid government from doing something, it will anyway. Then what?

[@dbeebee]

@@johnnybagofdoughnuts4193 they did realize this, which is why they said our form of government is only able to function with a moral and religious people. If there are principled leaders, then we’ve got a shot. Unfortunately, we decided to hand our children over to be educated by progressives who only believe in constitutional rights when they work in favor of their aims for social change, bringing about an increasingly ignorant populace, who neither understand the constitution, nor believe in its principles. But it’s all about the people in place. Sadly we elect fools.

[@johnnybagofdoughnuts4193]

@@dbeebee that quote comes from John adams. My point stands. When he acted on the horribly abusive, unconstitutional, alien and sedition act the “moral and religious people” were no defense against his executive power. So my question stands, when the government doesn’t live within it’s appointed boundaries, what next?

[@michaelclark2458]

I remember about 2-3 years arguing with liberal Christians about them rejoicing over the decline of American Christiandom. I couldn’t believe “Christians” were excited to see America becoming less Christian. I am a Christian nationalist as every Christian should be. They should want to see their nation as becoming more and more Godly and Christian in character, morality and in culture; not less Christian.

[@kreendurron]

Id love to hear doug speak on the postmillennialism of the INC. i think postmil without attachment to calvanism creates some serious problems

[@jamescook5617]

I'm dying, the "+ might be for fat ladies" Oh, Doug, Doug, you brave magnificent man.

[@arepadetrigo]

Hear! Hear! Those who have convinced themselves that compromise with the devil will somehow appease him and cause him to cease his evil onslaught are like a deer who tells himself to relax while he is being swallowed by an anaconda. Satan simply waits for us to exhale and then he tightens his grip. Over and over and over. We must consider ourselves in an all-out battle with satan even while we share the Gospel with those he has sent to kill us. Greater is He who is in us ....!!!

[@dragonhold4]

(3:44) _There is no separation between this church and state. They have liturgical processions, they have blasphemy codes, they have catechisms for the kids to chant, they have sacred days, they have anointed priests and priestesses, they have a massive guilt machine that they have already monetized, and they have icons that they leave votive offerings in front of_ -Doug Wilson

[@dragonhold4]

(9:26) _Ideologues write about their utopias. Evangelists start with their neighbors_

[@dragonhold4]

(11:17) _We continue to applaud the atheism and agnosticism of our current civil affairs in the blind and blinkered belief that we are somehow preventing needless bloodshed. over the entire history of that inquisition which was a couple of hundred years they judicially murdered about 32,000 people that was bad and wicked and let us abhor it. ... 32,000 is really bad but taking the averages, that was a pace that Stalin could match on a slow afternoon. Then let us turn to these United States, bloody up to the elbows, that is also a pace that planned parenthood could match on a slow afternoon funded by the American taxpayer with the full support of the current resident of the white house who was as some say democratically elected_

[@dragonhold4]

(12:35) _He was ushered into power through the help of a number of the cool kid christians who do not think we should ever again run the risk of a rerun of the salem witch trials in which a total of 25 people died. That's the equivalent of a few hours on an average Chicago weekend_

[@franklinbumgartener1323]

"Cool your jets. We're post-Mil... we'll get there."

[@chuckcribbs3398]

Doug, I really enjoy these blogs. You’ve made me a little smarter and a little more aware of our surroundings. But the Church is woke, spiritually broke and Biblically ignorant. Let me ask you a question: how many Jews were there waiting for Jesus when He came, knowing the scriptures that He was indeed the Messiah? A remnant. It will be the same this time when Jesus returns. Only a remnant will be waiting, in holiness and obedience, for His arrival. And many of us will be martyred beforehand. The Church isn’t being taught Revelation. They are being taught the seven steps to prosperity and having your best life now. If any Christian can fall for Joel Osteen and Benny Hinn and Bill Johnson, don’t you think they’re going to fall and follow and obey the Anti-Christ?? Carry on. You make me smarter and more abiding in Christ.

[@IsaacNussbaum]

*"...don’t you think they’re going to fall and follow and obey the Anti-Christ?"* I think the near Christians of today (think near beer *) will be elbowing their way to the head of the Anti-Christ's reception line. (* near beer: A malt liquor that does not contain enough alcohol to be considered an alcoholic beverage)

[@patriciagrant6687]

🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾💯

[@ethanlafont5073]

There’s more than 12 of us glass chewing theonomists. Maybe like 14.

[@Zomfoo]

The King *WILL* come suddenly.

[@jacksonpickering4741]

👍

[@BrokTheLoneWolf]

HAhhahahaha that last line got me. Not gonna lie.

[@pborkstrom]

“Ideologues write about their utopias. Evangelists start with their neighbors”

[@jackuber7358]

First, the reference to "yellow cake" Christianity had me puzzled for a second...but now I'm wondering if you meant nuclear powered or radio active Christianity. I can see pros and cons to both. Great finisher, though ... six plays later ... very funny, but, unfortunately, too true, if not metaphorically. Still chuckling, though. Maranatha!

[@PMA65537]

Years ago someone told me about someone being in the Christian Golf Club ... I was a bit stunned but asked what was next, the Christian Hamburger Club?

[@PMA65537]

My most recent job required everyone to complete an online form saying what we personally were going to do to promote diversity. I said I was expecting to leave and could be replaced by someone with different characteristics. BTW I think the main thing Doug has wrong here is being post-mill.

[@Joshcaldwell24]

Why do you think he’s wrong?

[@IsaacNussbaum]

*"... the main thing Doug has wrong here is being post-mill."* I agree, Peter. Maybe all my years of Bible study have been for naught but I can't think of anything in the Good Book which I could call on to defend a post-millennial second coming. Perhaps it is there and I missed it, either because of pre-conditioning or because of spiritual blindness.

[@nathanwhite7765]

HILARIOUS

[@joshuamichael2463]

Off topic but what do you all think about Wayne Grudem?

[@adivorceddaddiary]

He wrote a fairly reliable textbook on systematic theology but not much more?

[@jackuber7358]

How aptly prophetic: "... and six plays later, they scored." Yeah, I got that there were no opposing players on the field and it still took six plays.

[@stevenpage1932]

I could do coffee Christendom.

[@kuzivaj.z]

You know maybe having a few Christians willing to be on the field would be like Gideon and the 300. When they score in less than 6 plays, all would know that the Lord has done it.

[@ericrdutton]

As my pastor calls it, “reformed catholicity”

[@dshodges1]

God's timeline? Indeed! But let's not forget what 2 Corinthians 10:6 says about our role in His timeline: "And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled."

[@RickDRoberts]

I can't decide if this is mostly brilliant or mostly hilarious. Maybe I just don't have the approved letters behind my name, but give me 6 more tries and maybe I will score.

[@jasont79]

"...because he remembered an ethnic slur from a dream he'd had once..." 😂💀

[@duncescotus2342]

"Christendom." Big word. I learned it from the JWs.

[@Dirkkkkk]

God delivered the Israelites to the promised land, and He made them take it. He made them keep it too … The letter cult is fighting harder for their sin than Christians seem willing to fight for The Gospel

[@robertcoeymanjr.2550]

What makes you conclude that there ever was an 'naked public square?' If we admit to being religion, then we can be made to defend that religion. There is no wining a defensive fight. As long as we can be made to believe in the mythical 'non-religion,' we were on the defensive to an enemy that did not have to defend itself. We lost. The secular heresy was devastating.

[@steffanrhoads1870]

So what is the point? And you won’t answer so there is no point

[@grantarmbruster6591]

6 plays later they scored lol

[@abraao2213]

Could you explain to me the meaning of the "6 plays later they scored"?

[@grantarmbruster6591]

@@abraao2213 meaning (as I took it) that Christians having no opposition are so timid or inept at taking ground in the political or cultural war. Would still take 6 plays to score.

[@abraao2213]

@@grantarmbruster6591 hahahaha

[@joeiiiful]

Matthew 28:18-20 is completely misunderstood by the Jesus made in the USA Evangelical people.

[@Joshcaldwell24]

Explain

[@andrewlane7517]

I think ive found the bottom of the internet

[@conservativemovement]

Will Doug Wilson EVER stop misquoting The Bible? Jesus said to "Go and make disciples of all nations." Doug Wilson always says, "...disciple all nations." Not one single evangelist anywhere in scripture tried to disciple an actual nation - although they did preach the word of God to the leaders of nations, who were then of course free to convert and govern according to God's counsel. This is a central and critical distinction which Mr. Wilson needs to acknowledge, sooner rather than later, and actually which would have adjusted and corrected his message so it would have made tons more sense for the past 4 decades. The gospel has to compete on the open marketplace for individual disciples, and for preeminence among governing philosophies. We were not commanded to disciple nations but to preach the gospel to every creature and make disciples of all nations (meaning make individual disciples who have come out of all nations), and those nations that have leaders who turn to Christ or see the wisdom of Christian governance over other forms of governance are free of course to govern according to God's word and will and enjoy all the blessings and benefits of that. God is not a God of force, and God is not afraid to see his ways compete with all other ways on the open market of ideas and methods. May God move Doug Wilson to consider and see these things and perfect the message.

[@oracleoftroy]

Exactly how picky are you being? Here are the renderings of Matt 28: 19 in every translation provided by BibleHub: "make disciples of all nations": NIV, ESV, BSB, CSB, HCSB, GWT, NET, NHEB, WEB "make disciples of all the nations": NLT, NKJV, NASB, AB, ASV, ERV, WNT "teach all nations": KJV "disciple all the nations": BLB, ABPE, LSV, YLT "Go to the people of all nations and make them my disciples": CEV "teach ye all nations": DRB "Go, then, to all peoples everywhere and make them my disciples": GNT "disciple people in all nations": ISV Note especially the KJV and the more literal translations, which look in line with Wilson's version: "teach all nations": KJV "disciple all the nations": BLB, ABPE, LSV, YLT "teach ye all nations": DRB The KJV and DRB use a synonym for disciple: "teach", but otherwise is the same as Doug's version (with DRB using the archaic "ye". The BLB, ABPE, LSV, and YLT use the definite article, but otherwise are identical to Wilson's version. I though maybe you were a KJO type who would nitpick little things like that but you didn't even offer the KJV rendering, so I wonder if you desire to malign Wilson will force you to reject the evidence that Wilson's translation is in line with several available translation, or at minimum it is an obvious falsehood that every Bible translates it like the NIV and similar.

[@conservativemovement]

@@oracleoftroy Wow this is awesome! thank you so much for making my point!

[@Joshcaldwell24]

@@conservativemovement I don’t think you understand what point you are making. Doug is saying exactly that.

[@tedweiland3229]

The Christendom (Christians dominionizing society on behalf of their King) of the early 1600s America has tragically devolved into what is predominantly four-walled, stain-glassed, pewtrifying Christianity. It's what Christ best depicted in Matthew 5:13 as salt that's lost its savor, good for nothing but to be trampled under the foot of man. This includes today's 2/3rds pronomians! What's a 2/3rd pronomian? "Now these are the (1)commandments, the (2)statutes, and (3)judgments, which Yahweh your God commanded to teach you...." (Deuteronomy 6:1, found manifold times throughout the Word) Every viable, dynamic law contains three integral components: commandments, statutes that explain the commandments, and judgments that enforce the commandment and statutes. Without anyone of these components, the law is crippled. Thus, a 2/3rds pronomian is anyone who rejects anyone of these three integral law components, usually the altogether righteous civil judgments, per Psalm 19:7-9. Without the civil sanctions, the Commandments and statutes are merely good suggestions, and thus whoever renders judgments in society holds dominion in society. That Yahweh intends for the judgments to be in the hands of His people is unmistakable: "Let … a twoedged sword [be] in their hand; to execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; to bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; to execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye YH. (Psalm 149:6-9) Most so-called pronomians abdicate one third of Yahweh’s law - the judgments - to the non-Christians. Thus a 2/3rds pronomian isn't pronomian at all, but merely another member of mere Christianity rather than Christendom, and is consequently part of the problem rather than part of the solution. For more, see Chapter 17 "Amendment 8: Bail, Fines, and Cruel and Unusual Punishments" of free online book "Bible Law vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective" at Bible versus Constitution dot org. Click on the top entry on our Online Books page and scroll down to Chapter 17.

[@TK-qu1ht]

6 plays? Too much yeast for a proper loaf me thinks 😎

[@colinlundstrom207]

First to like lol :)

[@markdavies8381]

Of course what he says is all dependent if Post Millennialism is true? So the most you can says is that what he has presented is a Post Millennial theory which, he hopes is true which, as he said, who knows how long it will take to play out. Sounds more like the proverbial carrot dangling.

[@jordanjtbraun]

I have heard these ideas somewhere before.... Hmmm. Oh. The Muslims. The Caliphate.

[@Zxuma]

But mere Christendom is still just a sect of Jewish messianic eschatology in which we gentiles end up serving Jerusalem .