Meta Value Plunges By $700 Billion As Metaverse Fails To Gain Traction, Called A Train Wreck

[@Repugnantone]

Calling this a train wreck is an insult to actual train wrecks.

[@Halfbad-bf1lt]

For a train wreck to happen you’d need a working train to start off with; Meta couldn’t even get that far

[@JohnGuyJohn]

Train wrecks are often at least spectacular.

[@MaD0MaT]

Oh but no this is a train wreck. Just of cosmic proportions.

[@phdonme1]

Right...

[@presentedbyconormctappersp4565]

It's pretty funny, let's see how far Zuck's willing to destroy his company within a year.

[@mitochondria3873]

Every time I see Meta fail I get happier.

[@killathraxx3036]

Why?

[@appledr8808]

@@killathraxx3036 better question why wouldn't you

[@Greenberet.]

Tell me about it, every time I see meta burning my soul gets all warm and cozy lol

[@mitochondria3873]

@@killathraxx3036 You mean besides being a universally known predatory company? Or did you need more reason?

[@ridgydidgem8164]

Haha I agree mate 🍻

[@LHSlash]

Never realized the meta universe was already available. Truly believed everything was just development footage

[@nemeanlioness]

I have a quest and didn’t realize meta was up. No changes, except the logo and annoying Facebook

[@necurrence1776]

This is so relatable. But by the looks of it all, we didn't miss anything of importance 😄

[@brokedownsystem]

LOL. I thought it was in development only too, and that it wasn't a thing just yet.

[@edwardmacnab354]

Guess he never heard of Unreal , even though HE pretty much IS unreal

[@SupremeCommanderBaiser]

It is both. Kind of.

[@AgingChris]

With all the crap going on in the world, it's nice to hear good news for a change

[@joystiicks5680]

I was thinking the same thing. Nothing bring people closer than Zuckerberg failing lol

[@Berd-Wasted.]

I thought this was bad news.... ....For Twitter.

[@aahzmandiaz2767]

@@Berd-Wasted. I expect even more good news from Twitter. Popcorn is ready , to watch "the Purge"

[@jubeaumont6305]

ha!

[@Lenariet]

Seeing NFTs/mEtAvErSeS failing is my new antidepressant.

[@thecalmbro]

I don't think I've ever seen society collectively reject one thing so very much and then a company keep trying to force it so very hard

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

Even the word "reject" feels like we're giving it too much credit. Rejection requires you to at least acknowledge something. The vast majority of people either didn't realize how big Metaverse was supposed to be or they didn't know it existed at all.

[@Dead_Goat]

Reject what... they never opened the doors... the public was never given a chance to reject it.

[@SloRush]

You must've not heard of loot boxes..

[@jacktheflash8478]

@@Dead_Goat bruh

[@jacktheflash8478]

@@SloRush what about them?

[@MelvaCross]

It's still mind-blowing that Meta tried to invent VRChat after VRChat has been alive and thriving for years now.

[@puppetmurder]

Its now dying again after EAC

[@Nudgarrobot]

I don't feel like it's so much dying after EAC as it's frustrating to see it take those backward steps. The platform still seems to be thriving, at least for now, until competition which doesn't include trash like that meets standard and platform compatibility of VRC. Considering that CVR already supports import of VRC's avatars and worlds, has some improvements in a few areas, and has been receiving some more player support since the EAC changes, I do wonder if eventually CVR will improve past VRC and then we could say that VRC is truly dying. But as it is, other VR platforms targeting the same style are fairly underdeveloped in comparison from what I've experienced.

[@jackwilson5542]

Can't really call it thriving- it has niche adoption itself, same with VR in general... (Compared to what Meta was hoping to achieve) It was a bad idea.

[@Nudgarrobot]

@@jackwilson5542 VRChat has a 30-day average (on steam) of 19,383.9 players and rising. I feel like that constitutes thriving, especially since that doesn't include the large portion of users who are through Oculus store and Quest 2 etc. And to that point, recall that the space doesn't require VR to engage with-- As a social platform, even for fully desktop users, I would say that it is doing very well

[@jackwilson5542]

@@Nudgarrobot Still 19K players online and Meta thinks they are gonna make it as popular as Facebook. Niche adoption and VR go hand in hand, that's why you don't have any AAA games (or even AA) released for it even though it has been on the market for a decade.

[@solarenemy3733]

Mark is so smart that he can single handedly destroy a billion dollar company

[@machina5]

@@godofnil6644 That's literally what he said lol

[@TerbrugZondolop]

Karma does exist it seems.

[@gustavogoesgomes1863]

seems like he finally decided to redeem himself lol

[@amandacollyer645]

Lizard people always are :)

[@eminentbishop1325]

@@gustavogoesgomes1863 Robo Boy to the rescue! He must've broke free through the power of friendship lol

[@jmequeenbee4339]

Facebook admitting that their business model relies on their users being willing to give up their privacy should be getting more attention than it has tbh

[@SilverAlex92]

yeah I know right? "We're loosing ten billions because apple is letting users keep their privacy, but pay no mind, look at this funny play station 2 graphics thingy"

[@V0YAG3R]

@@SilverAlex92 If by Playstation 2 you mean Nintendo 64’s South Park or Superman 64 graphics! 👌🏻

[@perfectallycromulent]

that has never been a secret

[@codym5352]

Meanwhile the same people crucifying Facebook spend how much of their days on TikTok? Oh but remember it's only fine when the Communists who LITERALLY call for the genocide of ALL westerners do it it's fine, right? Zuck might not be able to see your GPS location anymore, but Winnie The Pooh sure can

[@SharkyMcSnarkface]

It would be in the same realm as Walmart admitting it doesn’t have the best employment practices. It’s not all that shocking at this point.

[@usonohoshi6165]

Found out about this the funniest way possible. The same day these articles were release, a KZbinr/twitch streamer RTgames streamed himself trying Metaverse. The people were nice and fun. He became the top comedian as people PAID(with ACTUAL money) to get him there so he can get a t-shirt.(not sure if he got it yet) But he struggled with the UI and exploring. It crashed several times. The arcade games were apparently really boring. So he left just being there for like two hours. His reaction to someone telling him about these articles that were posted WHILE he was in the Metaverse is freaking funny.🤣

[@thatoneguy9582]

important note that a good amount of said people he met during the stream were very likely people watching his stream who downloaded the game within the hour

[@usonohoshi6165]

@@thatoneguy9582 yeah. Chances are his visit raise some stats on the Metaverse instead of decreasing it. Which just makes this whole thing all the more funnier. I mean the downloads are one thing. But people spent like 2-5 dollars to get him to become the top comedian. That HAS to have done some positives for them.

[@berserkasaurusrex4233]

@@thatoneguy9582 Nah, they were probably paid Meta employees who are forced to play the app against their will.

[@thatoneguy9582]

@@berserkasaurusrex4233 that was who probably the rest of them were, yeah

[@dreamingahopefuldream4439]

RT continues his legacy of crashing stock markets, in games and in reality

[@Ben-Rogue]

Evil corporations shooting themselves in the foot, it always brings a smile to my face!

[@6reen6uy]

😌

[@ricardohoang8452]

Pretty news to my ears

[@Jojohumf]

Yes this makes me extremely happy, his business model is selling your personal information & details to the highest bidder. Can’t wait until Facebook (meta) fails and hopefully never returns

[@chuckdude514]

Right? It feels like I'm witnessing the downfall of Arasaka. Feels good man.

[@DarthWraithius]

This feels like they put it in their mouth instead

[@Stedman75]

Imagine my shock when an app with graphics worse than a 1999 sims game fails in 2022

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

it's not the polygons it's the artstyle. it looks like the minimalist corporate crap art everybody hates.

[@electricmessiah1310]

That’s what is sad, 2022 we should have ready player one and not ps2 graphics.

[@pixelraster9588]

It's not the graphics, it's how those graphics are used they are used VERY poorly lmao

[@BattleBladeWarrior]

Imagine my shock when I found out this was actually a real product?! I don't know how Zuckerberg thought this was going to compete at all.

[@starofaetherius]

Its not the graphical fidelity. They also lack any sort of art style. An example most people will recognize: Breath of the Wild looks amazing but it's not the graphics, it's all lighting and effects that make it work. Or another example but this time in VR: Pistol Whip. A rhythm game that uses guns, super polygonal but looks great because of it's style, like the matrix being ripped apart by the beat. How about a VR social app to compare to metas awful app? Try Rec Room. The blocky characters are cute and everything is in a consistent style. Yes, you can have realistic graphics in VR (Half Life, Boneworks, B&S, etc) but graphics aren't everything. Meta's app just has no soul.

[@scootsmcgoots]

I love Zuckerberg's diligent work! He's destroying this company even faster and more efficiently than I ever thought possible. It's impressive.

[@OrdinaryG33K-SF]

I know, right? I don’t know who’s doing a better job of destroying their companies: Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk! Maybe we can throw Kanye in there, too, for destroying his career, himself, and essentially ERASING his net worth! Good Times!

[@K_FI_L_Y_P_S_O]

This is exactly what happens when you have a bunch of "yes men" surrounding you and you're not willing to hear that your idea might be a bad one. I don't have much sympathy for Meta at this point because it should have been cancelled months ago.

[@vbus5236]

Absolutely. Another textbook case of how groupthink can destroy a company

[@lj2265]

Billionaires don't have people who tell them reality. Billionaires have people who tell them what they want to hear for the chance of some of his money and fame to rub off on them, and then those people flee and pretend they never knew them when they end up losing everything lol Thats how fame and money goes. Everybody wants you until you're broke and nobody again.

[@fromthenorth2]

Yes, so much this.

[@mylesfrost335]

i think you misspelt years

[@K_FI_L_Y_P_S_O]

@@mylesfrost335 touchė

[@Benjamin1986980]

The metaverse seems to be the flying car of our generation. Everyone assumed that a virtual worlds would be something that we would go to, but they are impractical, expensive, and more or less pointless. I find it odd how we were so worried that people would want to live in the virtual world permanently that we didn't think about the question if anyone would want to live in the virtual world at all

[@AkaiAzul]

I don't think the problem lies with virtual worlds per se, but an effect of our monkey brains. We can tell when something is off, so when even the slightest bit is off, we're immediately turned off. It'll be several more decades (generations?) before our monkey brains can be convinced the virtual worlds are something we'd actually want to live in. We might get somewhere once we figure out uncanny valley.

[@aahzmandiaz2767]

It will be successful, if we invent a technique for a full mind dive. Until that day, it will fail.

[@AI-hl5xl]

@@aahzmandiaz2767 agreed, the only reason I would go to vr is to be able to see and do something I would never be able to in real life, and a full dive is the only way to do it to prevent damage to surroundings and bypass physical limitations imo

[@Benjamin1986980]

@@aahzmandiaz2767 given our current understanding of how the brain works, I suspect full dive is impossible even on a theoretical level. Individual brains are wired differently, so it's pretty much impossible to create a standardized input output interface

[@AkaiAzul]

@@Benjamin1986980 Why make it standardized? With better and better learning algorithms, we might be able to have AI learn the differences between users and adjust for each user.

[@bearVshark100]

My favorite thing about Meta is how it made zuck into an actual computer man from 2005 in the eyes of the press. Every picture of him I've seen in the news is his avatar.

[@arunawalker]

Probably because it somehow manages to be slightly less unsetteling and fake than his actual face. Quite the accomplishment indeed.

[@BrownCookieBoy]

Not managing to charm the facebook moms and being completely disconnected to gamers was a huge miss.

[@kabnoot]

Nailed it.

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

Insulting men too. But maybe they'll recover now that Twitter is getting clean

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

@@SergioLeonardoCornejo How are they insulting men?

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

@@SleepyMatt-zzz by allowing accusations of bad things regarding them and treating all as harassers.

[@carlost856]

They wanted to make it a corporate software. Some dystopian shit to monitor stay at home workers.

[@jadetortellini6150]

Investors losing it over an obviously bad investment always brings a smile to my face

[@colbyboucher6391]

Yeah, it's nice how in England people are suddenly understanding that 5G isn't a revolutionary game changer. It was always hilarious to me how investors seriously thought it would be when it was readily known that the supposedly incredible speeds are only possible within WiFi range, practically.

[@b.thomas8926]

The Idea that anything Facebook does will make $ is hilarious when every social media platform is worried that congress might flip hostile. Especially when Musk just took over Twitter. I don't care about the politics? But I do care about these social media outfits being loose and fast with my data and I got zero control over what they do with it. Either use our stuff or live in a cave. Screw 'em all. I love watching 'em burn.

[@christopherjones8448]

@@colbyboucher6391 Ranges that are also shorter thanks to the increased wavelengths used for 5g if I'm not mistake 🤔

[@shadowninja6689]

As an investor I can tell you that a lot of us hated Facebook as an investment and already steered clear of it. I'm quite pleased to be vindicated with Facebook's well deserved crash. From an investor's perspective Facebook is basically incinerating the profits they like with the metaverse, and is giving the vast majority of investors who have no faith in the Metaverse zero reason to remain invested.

[@G1Arcee]

Meta verse is worse than a bootleg VR chat but made by greedy corporate money grubs instead of people who passion.

[@TonyP_Yes-its-Me]

After all these years, I only know one person who owns a pair of VR goggles. A few geeks might like them, but Joe Public doesn't care. Also, a workmate asked me what's this "Meta thing" was. I told him, and he said "Sounds shit, why would you work like that. Anyway, not everyone works in an office." Good point.

[@hicknopunk]

The #1 reason to get VR is to watch YT in 3D. Or 360, or both. I use youtube, 3d bluray and then games/experiences

[@cullenpinney2997]

I have a psvr and I rarely use it because it makes me hot really fast I’m not saying that the vr itself gets hot it’s just I do after wearing it for more than around 30 minutes

[@hicknopunk]

@@cullenpinney2997 in the summer I use a small fan

[@cullenpinney2997]

@@hicknopunk I have a stand up fan I point at myself it helps a little

[@Youtubecensoredmyusername]

Iv been seeing the headsets at the ghetto swap meet in box for dirt cheap since before 2020. What a joke

[@bryanfish7303]

Not only is it easier to turn on a camera, but most businesses have a level of seriousness whereby turning yourself into a cartoon doesn't really sit well. The whole thing really calls into question Zuckerberg as a serious business man, rather than someone who just got lucky with timing when he launched Facebook

[@edricleung5337]

Pretty sure that's the problem with Zuckerberg. He's not a businessman. It's probably one of the reasons why facebook employees have complaints over the years about how unstructured the workplace is. If anything, he's basically the poster boy of how the stereotypical millennial thinks a corporate businessman should be.

[@EatMyShortsAU]

Yeah good point. It would be like turning your voice in to a cartoon voice or something. Plus to implement this technology would be pretty expensive. The headsets alone are like $1500, then you would probably need a more powerful laptop/PC plus additional support from IT so it seems like a pretty expensive bit of kit. If companies want to improve their efficiency and productivity they are probably best off simply investing in digitalisation, automation, AI etc. One area where I think it can be useful could be in design work, architecture, interior design, fashion, geology, engineering. One thing I did is the virtual screens. So instead of have 1,2,3,4 monitors IRL you could simply use virtual monitors instead with real life KB and mouse. (I guess technically the monitors are still there they are just strapped to your head and are part of the VR hardware).

[@59hawks]

Maybe if he didn't backstab others they would have told him how bad this would go

[@EatMyShortsAU]

@@59hawks It sounds like he is surrounded by yes men and women. Senior Engineers are probably like "Yeah bro Meta is the future, please pay me $2m/year and I will design avatars with no legs and graphics on Nintendo Wii level".

[@Darca1n]

@@EatMyShortsAU I kinda respect that they can get away with such absolutely half-assed design though, but I really hope the designers have something they can be passionate about, because "corporate art style: the VR edition" isn't exactly soulful media.

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

The biggest problem with selling the metaverse has been a lack of vision. The Zuck has no imagination beyond taking the real word and translating that into digital space. If I wanted the real world, I would go outside - which I do at least once a day, to the chagrin of my entire neighborhood. If we're really going to try and create an open-world VR setting, then take advantage of the unreal space to create things that can't exist in the real world. Give me wondrous vistas, spaces with non-euclidean geometries, portals to fantastic realms that will never be real on Earth, or at least give me a 3D recreation of Escher's staircase painting to explore. This is just boring.

[@RandomShowerThoughts]

Exactly

[@BeavisSaves]

Its almost as if he has less creativity and imagination than his father, Lt. Commander Data.

[@GusMortis]

VR is literally the wardrobe to Narnia.

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

The virtual grocery store thing was genuinely confusing to me.

[@DarkTenka]

THIS 100%. Why is someone trying to make a virtual world that just "emulates the real world"? .. The real world fucking sux. Nobody wants that shit.

[@mitpoker7319]

I think Kojima could probably come up with a better metaverse with a budget of 88 cents and a Happy Meal than duckerberg can with his billions.

[@a64738]

I just call him Zuckerborg... I will not be assimilated into his soul less corporate hellscape.

[@DolusVulpes]

It's honestly impressive in its own way that they were able to tank a project so hard that it lost them more money than the combined bank accounts of the 5 richest people in the world.

[@10191927]

Whats even more insane is that Mark intends to lose more money over the next year in Metaverse. I was discussing this with a coworker today, I watch the market from time to time. Mark is like someone who has a large water tower, turns the spigot on full blast, then says “Ok, so I’m gonna form an ocean with this, and then I’ll walk across it and turn it into wine”. Mark is literally tanking the company, possibly to the point of no return, it’s the most blatant disregard of financial responsibility in the history of tech and business. I can’t see Meta/Facebook recovering, their growth has stagnated, Metaverse/reality labs is a bonfire, and the cherry on top is tanking the company stock and also the companies woes are expected to get even worse over time, and by the end of Q4 their stocks will be even lower. If Facebook/Meta is eventually sold(which is my prediction), or it just limps along to a never ending finish line with Meta, it’s going to make one of the greatest case studies in business history of what not to do. This makes Enron look like a day at Disneyland by comparison.

[@Professor-Scientist]

@@10191927 Hi Marth I think Mark(my words) Zucerburg is definitely like a large water tower and spigot with wine cos he likes fancy things and stuff

[@-eternal]

Not bank accounts. They don't have billions in the bank. None of them do. Their Networth is primarily shares in their companies.

[@DolusVulpes]

@@-eternal okay? I never said anything about how much money was in their bank accounts?

[@-eternal]

@@DolusVulpes "more than the combined bank accounts"

[@Doctorgeo7]

I actually want Metaverse to continue. That way I can watch Zuckerburg continue to burn billions of his company's money for his personal obsession.

[@AtheismF7W]

Me 2

[@Spike2276]

It is interesting to see, like a morbid curiosity to watch how far a man will go to feed his weird obssession

[@richardadamson1438]

At least microsoft knew when to kill off it's passion projects for the good of the company, if you don't believe me, look at Microsoft Bob, or the Kinect 2. This is just sad and pathetic that they keep going with this when it loses them money.

[@KnakuanaRka]

Yep; I’m glad the Zucc is still throwing away his ill-gotten filthy lucre on this money pit.

[@imonke5303]

@@Spike2276 so confident it can succeed, so wrong indeed.....

[@gortab]

Zuckerberg: "I'm pretty confident this is going in a good direction." Me: "I mean, Meta going completely bankrupt and ceasing to exist would be a pretty good direction. Can you get there faster?"

[@a64738]

Yes it is going in the right direction, down the drain just where his and his corporate facsist hell belong :) I just call him Zuckerborg... I will not be assimilated into his soul less corporate hellscape.

[@PaulLeach123]

When your business is dependent on people buying VR goggles, you’ve severely limited it

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Especially when you don't sell in their market because you don't want to follow local privacy regulations and rather don't sell at all.

[@jubeaumont6305]

certainly pricing it at ONE AND A HALF THOUSAND QUID during a recession isn't a fantastic business decision.

[@markjordan7800]

exactly its not like they are £50 to buy ha-ha

[@alwaysyouramanda]

But it’s dependent on user’s data. Once everyone has their eyes tracked, imagine what this would mean to advertisers. They would LOVE to know exactly what draws your attention!! And meta claiming not to reach into their own cookie jar is laughable. I imagine THIS is why they prioritized eye tracking (which no one is asking for) over legs. What do advertisers care about which foot you favor..??

[@Lenariet]

@@alwaysyouramanda Damn, can't check out peoples' butts anymore without getting diaper ads anymore then I guess. 🥺

[@AvelierPlays]

Second Life, the first “metaverse” still remains popular in 2022, almost 20 years since is debut. It averages 50-60k users daily, which is more than Horizon Worlds 😂 And yes, the avatars have legs…since 2003 !

[@majamystic256]

Worlds Chat and ActiveWorlds both from 1995 were the first virtual world platforms, and they are somehow still online with a small dedicated following

[@Wander4P]

I think the main problem is that Horizon Worlds takes itself way too seriously. Second Life embraces the weirdness and lets people run wild with what they can do with the game.

[@elimalinsky7069]

@@majamystic256 Probably the earliest example of a metaverse is Habitat from 1986 for the Commodore 64. It was an online interaction game with full color graphics, avatars, chat rooms and activities.

[@driphearts8035]

Horizons is VR thatz running on a quest, so it is rather limited. However, VRChat has legs and is way better than horizons ever will be.

[@dwellerinblack7816]

You can even have long distance sex using advanced sex tech with Second Life!!

[@anthonygenco5051]

I would also like to add: Stock for Metaverse tanked while RTGame was doing a stream on the game. He recently released a video taking parts from his Metaverse Twitch stream on his channel. It may have been coincidence, but it is funny to think it may not have been, especially given how much trouble the game was being when played.

[@GrafVonTirol]

Any failure on anything associated with Facebook gives me a sense of schadenfreude.

[@arthurh6325]

Schnitzel

[@Ozzianman]

@@arthurh6325 kartoffel

[@ravenruby9387]

It's that delight of watching a desperate man try to fellate himself happy, while burning alive as everyone claps, and said man is ignorant of how stupid he truly looks in public. I agree 💜

[@sacredsecrecy9620]

Ah, a connoisseur I see 🕵️

[@MuchKoku]

One might say, a kuddelmuddel.

[@blumoon131]

Putting all this time and money into a virtual reality where you can do such exciting things as... Work meetings.... Have legs on your avatar... Use Facebook... Mark really knows what people want for the future.

[@Zelorp]

Take it easy, Alex Jones. It’s not exactly groundbreaking stuff, part of why Meta is such a joke is because they seemingly can’t replicate tech that’s been in use for the past decade.

[@YTDani75]

@@salempilsner4462 Bait

[@JohnSmith-ox3gy]

@@YTDani75 No shit.

[@Schnort]

Don't forget the stand up comedy where you have to buy shit to applaud!

[@Loctorak]

@@Schnort seriously? Is that genuinely the way they wanted to monetise comedy? By restricting your ability to react (which the comedian NEEDS). DESGOOSTANG. Honestly? Zuckerberg and FB Corporat are all thats lefte. He deserves every bit of burning failure the company experiences right now, he made it clear than not only didnt he care about data protection for his customers, but rather planned to further invade their privacy, store their data in wherever unsecured and then lied about the underlying narrative of what they did or were doing

[@dragonrider4253]

The most hilarious thing about all of this is RTGame streamed Horizon. Literally like 10 minutes into the stream is when meta/Facebook's stock started plummeting. I have never seen something so adamantly rejected, but pushed so hard at the same time.

[@patmathew5757]

Climate change

[@amberhawksong]

On a smaller scale, Rthro.

[@ITBEurgava]

"Doing this so you guys don't have to."

[@dough9512]

Taxes!

[@isaakfaulk8067]

The fact that Metaverse is tied to Facebook is terrible because Facebook is slowly starting to fade out. No company would want to run their meetings through Facebook profiles especially not in the form of vr virtual worlds.

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

The thing is, with careful testing and product research, the Metaverse could have been a cool companion to Facebook and Instagram. It could have rejuvenated the company. But that would have required Zuckerberg to admit that the idea needed testing and refinement and proper scaling

[@marasmorgean5813]

Calling it metaverse on its own is kind of meh... - Those concepts are not new, you could call WOW a metaverse... - VR doens't change a shit considering, that a lot of people already have problems with 3D movies...I wonder how they react to VR, even if you don't need to buy the equipment for hundrets of dollars... - And than, I'm supposed to see the stuff inside the metaverse as kind of "investment"??? "blockchain-art?" with "Meta" getting around 1/3 of every transaction just because...? worked well with the D3 auction-house lol ^^ The same happend with the term "AI" in over the last couple of years. Just because its a well written script and it talks back to you, its not some kind of matrix-machine-world-kind-of-thing..."smart homes", "AI" tec in cars, and what not...dumb marketing and far more A than I...

[@oldschooloverlord]

My company RacistConspiracyBoomers PLC runs our meetings on Facebook, and it's been going great

[@adultmoshifan87]

I mainly rely on Facebook for activism and helping right the many wrongs we’re faced with now. The world is NOT becoming a worse place, what’s actually happening is that the many wrongs that weren’t common knowledge 20 years ago are being exposed far and wide now!

[@vahlen5281]

@@rosesweetcharlotte Highly unlikely; first of all, VR is still very much a niche product and unlikely to become interesting to a broader audience anytime soon. Secondly, Facebook has at this point become a social media site for boomers, who are anything but the target audience for such technology.

[@Akimbo411]

The funny thing is that if they just studied FF14’s Role Playing community, then threw billions of dollars at a system that copied it, they could have easily made one of the best virtual life simulators ever.

[@Maalstrom]

this is what happens when marketing becomes game designer. No awareness at all.

[@risingphoenixgames6359]

Hey I'm a game designer and was wondering if you could go into a bit of detail about this, it sounds neat. I've never played Ff14 but I am vaguely familiar with other roleplaying servers in things like WoW

[@BattleBladeWarrior]

Exactly! And all those WOW and second life players. Or even just copy past existing VR chat lobbies. Those are filled with really unique and interesting locations, player avatars that can be anyone or anything, and even have full body motion tracking

[@AklyonX]

@@risingphoenixgames6359 The general idea is that, for people who know anything about virtual worlds, the answer has always been 'make a good world, and people might play. Make a fun world you can get RPers interested in, and people might *stay.* ' Does WoW look great? In a way, sure. Does FF14? Yeah, in a more recent way. Are they about being virtual life? Extremely no. They are mmos first, with combat and crafting and other gameplay and all these other features involved. They are in third person with a character you dress up. There is a set reason to come to their worlds, but if you want to do something else, you can put the mmo to the side and do a lot with what limits there are. There are emotes, emotes that you can mix with other people doing other emotes, or combine them with text. There might be other commands like dances. If you hide some ui elements if needed, suspend some disbelief, do some decorating, and have some other people around who are up for the same idea, then yeah, your fc house can be a tavern. Or a haunted house. And when you're done, you can go back to being a mighty healer who argues with friends in game they like. They are basically the opposite of metaverse, who is so desperate to be 'virtual life' in VR they miss even the smallest forest for the trees. The graphics, which could be beaten by second life user content and reek of trying too hard to be the xbox's not-miis but cut in half, give a poor first impression. As far as I know, it requires a vr set to even interact with, and people aren't going to get one just for this. All the reasons they try to pull people in with end in 'but why not just talk on phone/on discord/via (work group messaging program of choice)' or similar. Theres nothing to do to get people interested in sticking around. No one plans cool events in it because there is no one to work with, because the people who want to play in virtual worlds already do. Its called rp-ing in mmos, second life, VRChat, or any of the other programs who either give you options and stand back, or let you build entire worlds from the ground up as long as they aren't illegal.

[@belyayevsfox4753]

Facebook could have also studied Second Life to see how thriving online communities work and copy that, but Zuckerburg isn't interested in learning from anything that isn't his own ideas.

[@fedvvvv]

I read a while back that they were using VR to prepare convicts that had spent a large amount of their lives in prison and where about to be released. The "meteverse" (It wasn't called that at the time) gave them a chance to interact with modern life and prepare for what was ahead for them. To this day, I think that was the coolest use for VR aside from video games.

[@yuurina5092]

Im sure theywill give vr headsets to prisoners for sure

[@techstorezombie9316]

At some point I started to feel bad about how bad this is failing, but then I remembered it's Meta and Mark Zuckerberg, and I then don't feel bad.

[@angelarch5352]

"silver lining in every cloud..." :)

[@zultriova89]

Lmao.. 🤣

[@marzialalfonzocanada888]

pet society,farmvile and restaurant city made more money for facebook than metaverse ever did xD

[@mrluthfians01]

lmaoo

[@dedsecmania4458]

Damn, i miss those games, used to have a very detailed restaurant in restaurant City

[@samuelrodrigues3197]

Ninja Saga, Dragon City too

[@marzialalfonzocanada888]

@@dedsecmania4458 golden age of facebook I tell yah everyone mostly just posted their characters, goofy restaurants and it wasn't swamped with ads,celebrity dramas and politics back then

[@alpha34098]

Sorryly, all of them died because they never realized that they were doomed the moment that Steve Jobs attacked Flash back in 2010

[@efrenarevalo2025]

If this continue, Mark might end up opening his own car door soon.

[@wolfmantheimpaler]

I'm a simple man, I see Meta failing, I click

[@SpicyPunkRockerOfficial]

Me too

[@Olivia-mh8wq]

The fact that there are people at Meta who are surprised by this is just astounding to me.

[@razagan1343]

The good old saying "too many cooks in the kitchen" comes back to this. every single person wants to look busy and not get fired but that also means any small change must go trough 50 layers of bureaucracy before it is done.

[@razagan1343]

@@Glade4 because it is easier in conversation and it is not worth the effort to use the terms meta wants

[@razagan1343]

@@Glade4 Gabriel, listen you are clearly coming at this with just energy but maybe in this case it is not really worth it, and it is also just fun to use the terms wrong because that is just a small extra kick to the zuck man's lizard orbs

[@Chew5219]

Metaverse is something that nobody asked for or understands.

[@TheDoomlord7]

It really blows my mind how bad management must be to use up that much money.

[@femiairboy94]

@qtsssim this is not how valuation works my friend.

[@GholaTleilaxu]

Use? It's called pocketing.

[@GholaTleilaxu]

@@femiairboy94 Enlighten us plebs, please!

[@ZappoNinja]

@@GholaTleilaxu Their stocks dropped 700 billion, they only spent 15 billion on the Metaverse’s creation. Still wayyyyyyyy fucking more than ever should’ve been spent on it, but nonetheless, not 700 billion.

[@GholaTleilaxu]

@@ZappoNinja In the real world that is called money laundering.

[@Jaiko_]

The fact that it was worth at least 700 billion dollars to begin with is surprising to me

[@johnnysilverhand6045]

It makes me feel sick

[@YouDonkeyfu]

Agreed , how they even have that much value in the first place, i guess Mark did a good job of hyping shit up to other corpo ?

[@EatMyShortsAU]

It did not suprise me. Remember meta is Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, Messenger etc in which literally billions of people world wide using those platforms. Not to mention the tens of billions of advertising revenue it generated via personalised ads. It actually made more sense than things like crypto, NFTs, meme stocks etc.

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

@@EatMyShortsAU It confuses me that he was so sure of this idea that he rebranded the entire company around it

[@EatMyShortsAU]

@@rosesweetcharlotte I think the Facebook brand image was also tarnished so that was another reason. Plus those social media platforms have matured, so he is betting on Meta/VR for future growth.

[@clray123]

Other companies are worried about hostile competitors or short hedge funds attacks... but meta just fucks up itself all alone through person of its CEO, that's some sort of an achievement.

[@Xport9]

Only 700%? "I need to spend 100 billion dollars more!" - Mark

[@NateT092]

Its typo, 70*% 😬 still rough asf tho.

[@deeps6979]

@@NateT092 Oh thank fking gods you explained it as a typo. I was having math fits.

[@ratcatcher2048]

Go, Zuck, Go! Don't stop shilling this until Meta's value is at a penny! You're doing great, man, keep it up!

[@landotucker]

I'm hoping that his level of self delusion is such that it destroys the company

[@patrikcath1025]

Reminds me of watching a Horizon Worlds stream and turns out literally just as the stream was happening, Facebook's stocks plumetted massively. I wonder why

[@Smile4mypride]

Can't imagine how many "yes" man Mark has around him. Like literally no one is telling him this? He doesn't know to accept defeat and let go before things go all the way down hill.

[@AquaCoalaNest]

Well tbf, he didn't lost much, only a couple rich dudes changes some wealth, after some billions of dollars you don't even feel losing couple.

[@Smile4mypride]

@@AquaCoalaNest what are you talking about? He lost nearly 3 fourth of his fortune. Ye, he would still be a billionaire at the end of the day. FB, IG, and other apps would still be around (maybe not VR), but that still cut a lot of money for his company.

[@G1Arcee]

Meta verse is worse than a bootleg VR chat but made by greedy corporate money grubs instead of people who passion.

[@buragi5441]

@@AquaCoalaNest All that money doesn't just lie in his pockets. It's all tied to investments and the existing businesses. Losing that much starts a domino effect where everything else under Zuckerberg starts to crumble. Not to mention investors don't like losing even single percents of profits, a money sink like this will make them all leave Zuckerberg to fend for himself.

[@Zesserie]

He is in so deep the only option is to double down on it or go broke

[@lightningfarronxp8899]

Imagine having an easily recognizable household name like oculus and being so arragont that you feel the need to change it.

[@fastronaut909]

PREACH!

[@Ixxlostinabox]

I love coming into your videos every now and then to see the pile of stuff behind you slowly grow. Your collection is going to need its own room soon.

[@justindavison5920]

I think one of the big flaws is the use cases they seem to be targeting, having a virtual meeting with avatars seems to be a step back from existing tools. If I was looking to build something like this with massive resources available I'd look at expanding out from more niche use cases. For example migrating 3d modeling and simulation into VR, so an team of architects and materials scientists could look at a building in 3d and simulate factors like extreme winds or earthquakes, look at the failure points and change materials and run new simulations. That level of visualization could also make understanding the failure points more intuitive to non-experts as they can see it in real time and real scale. You'd have projects where the cost of hardware is a small part of a greater set of project costs.

[@otozm92]

This actually would make way more sense, and I can see universities making the investment for certain labs. since they already spend a lot on simulation software anyway

[@cannabinerd9665]

In the steel industry they've started using VR for safety training simulations that would otherwise be too dangerous for the trainees.

[@Lenariet]

Sounds pretty neat. But I guess it still wouldn't really need a singular, unified metaverse for that. Specific VR modelling software tailored to the needs of the respective professions may do the trick just as well or even better. The problem of any and all "metaverses" currently in development is that they limit in you in certain ways. They have to streamline, standardize, homogenize things. They dumb it down. That's why metaverse gurus and NFT simps saying that "the" metaverse will contain any and all video games you can imagine is pure fantasy. Games are too different in style, in graphics, in controls, in demands. A or "the" metaverse would inevitably simplify things. Do we want that as gamers? To all games look, feel and sound same-ish? Hell no. We will very likely be better off with game development as individual and diverse as it is now. I just don't see any benefit for us gamers by throwing it all into such a melting pot.

[@justindavison5920]

I agree, in my perfect world the "metaverse" aspect would be framework and some degree of standardization in connectivity and core code libraries. If it was some version of open source or simplified legal structure for sharing code and software it could also be used for expanding beyond a niche area. For example if scientific level materials modeling was built and had libraries for a range of real world scenarios a game company could license it and use the same libraries to create realistic environment destruction in a game by licensing the existing data. Ultimately I think we are years or even decades from a unified metaverse concept and that assumes it doesn't die on the vine now because the focus is on being everything for everyone first instead of creating real value that inspires other use cases.

[@BattleBladeWarrior]

Word. Or if you can make a virtual stripclub with realistic lighting and 4K textured women, I guarantee you people would join in droves. but in their current state, its just a really cheap, business apprach to VR chat.

[@ljcarthan3504]

There was a story about a Twitter user who called herself meta for many years then Facebook took the name rather than pay for it. I always think about that when I read about how Meta failing

[@LemoNanora]

That was a Instagram user not twitter

[@evilgibson]

which is funny because both took the name from Neal Stephenson who coined the term "Metaverse" to define a virtual world that everyone uses for both work and play through virtual reality.

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

@@LemoNanora - Karma, either way.

[@sik3xploit]

Communists like to take things for themselves without compensation all the time.

[@evilgibson]

@@sik3xploit whaaaaaat

[@AZ-rl7pg]

I think Meta would be doing a lot better if it wasn't just Facebook's thing and was instead some kind of open source project that everyone could contribute to. Like imagine if it was a conglomerate of Facebook, game studios, etc. where you could hop around from world to world doing different things. Facebook's world would be like a social media hub where you can meet people and hang out, then when you want to do something you could hop over to an Elder Scrolls world or something.

[@cg5648]

That sounds interesting but eventually I want to go outside in the real world and do stuff. I love to fish, use my kayak, and hike; I am not going to do that in an artificial world.

[@Greybell]

so basically VRChat

[@edgarlarios4718]

That's VRchat dude.

[@AZ-rl7pg]

@@edgarlarios4718 Does VRchat have actual separate worlds dedicated to game studios? Like where you can go from hanging out one minute to playing an actual high budget MMO game the next.

[@codym5352]

You clearly have zero understanding of this company and the face Facebook IS META now, they aren't seperate, they just know changing Facebooks URL would be an awful idea cuz all of the 60 year old politicians they pander to would NEVER realize why the Facebook bookmark they had their nephew put on their 20 year old desktop doesn't work anymore

[@solarenemy3733]

It boggles my mind how you can spend HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS to make some trash that would get owned by a 5 person indie game team.

[@georgepanicker61916]

Those 5 people have more soul than the entirety of meta

[@hoze1235]

Zuck. Exe has stopped responding

[@checkm88]

700 billion dollars And the biggest update they added was legs Apparently not even a widespread feature, but only for the horizons world I think 700 BILLION DOLLARS AND THEY ADDED LEGS TO ONE SINGULAR WORLD That is the funniest, stupidest, and most of all, saddest thing. I feel so bad for the people working on this and having their time and effort wasted. I can only hope they're being paid good

[@kevinfortsch]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[@NireFuster]

It's really fascinating to see how a company with presumably some pretty smart people in it was still so stupid to make such a basic mistake that even a regular person that used the internet for a while would look at and go ''hmm, this probably isn't a good idea''

[@rainbowstalkerthe2nd587]

@@salempilsner4462 If you’re being unironic, I pity you

[@Riz_Rizen]

@@rainbowstalkerthe2nd587 That bloke's going down the Meta rabbit hole 💀

[@buragi5441]

@@salempilsner4462 Imagine actually believing their marketing nonsense.

[@Velereonics]

They are smart, and antisocial. Zuck is not exactly the smoothest dude himself. This was NEVER going to work, and asking anyone who plays games and MMOs and fuggin VR chat could tell you it won't work in the way they did it.

[@CampingforCool41]

I’m sure there were a lot of employees that knew it was going to be a shot show but you’ve got mega rich people at the top that can push through whatever stupid idea they have and not listen to any criticism.

[@TikkaQrow]

The legs thing is something that VRC, Neos, ChilloutVR all have. Has had for like 6 years. It's nuts how long it took Meta to do even that bare minimum for it's platform. Idk, I've seen actual work meetings held in VR Chat, I know what Zuck's vision is, there is a FUTURE there... but... Meta, they're doing it all wrong... Literally cart before the horse scenario.

[@babyblue_22]

Now this, ladies and gentlemen, is what happens when someone believes they are too big to fail.

[@HazeEmry]

Reminds me of Kanye

[@ReD_2022]

@No name SO HIGH

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

Yeah, I honestly never though Facebook would fail, yet here it is

[@LordryuRevived]

I would be surprised if Facebook still has any sort of userbase in a decade.

[@diablo.the.cheater]

I would be surprised if Facebook doesn't have a userbase, after all a lot of its users are dead people that can't delete their account since they are dead

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@diablo.the.cheater Or just dead accounts of people who simply don't go there anymore. That is also the only reason why I still have an account. Deleting it would mean I'd have to go there.

[@lauriechan1426]

Just weirdo boomers there for the conspiracy theories

[@zeening]

@@HappyBeezerStudios but you should though anyways, 2 seconds of pain to further the death along of meta? do it now.

[@MeowtronStar]

Facebook isn't gonna die. The sheer amount of activity is incredibly high. But the company won't reach its former glory in terms of money now that Apple cut away their ad business for themselves.

[@andrefelixstudio2833]

I had the pleasure of spending some time with Timothy Leary who was talking about virtual reality, I asked him the question “why would you want to be in virtual reality when you can live in reality” he had NO answer!

[@donovanjoseph737]

I feel so bad for Carmack. Meta is dragging his creation through the mud and all he can really do at this point is watch

[@Vespyr_]

Oculus should have never sold to Meta.

[@BattleBladeWarrior]

I know, poor guy. eveything he touches since leaving ID is just going sideways

[@augustday9483]

He could just leave and work with another VR team. He chose his path when he stuck with Facebook, now he has to live with the consequences. Should have joined valve to work on Index/Steam VR. God, imagine how blessed that would have been.

[@mark6302]

Carmack having to work for Zucc is a fucking crime against nature and technology

[@augustday9483]

@@mark6302 Your comment is shadowbanned btw.

[@JennFaeAge]

Watching this and Earth 2 fail are the kind of fun we don't get enough of in the world

[@nachtgoblin]

imagine how many elder scrolls games you could produce with 700 billion

[@oOZellzimaOo]

Jeez, it's going to suck for all those people who're going to get "layed off" because of this. They should have marketed it to people instead of lizards.

[@hoze1235]

Zuck. Exe encountered an error

[@BattleBladeWarrior]

I wonder if the firing will happen in VR? "Wilson. its your boss. I need you to put on your headset and meet me in the metaverse. we need to discuss your position with this company up close"

[@CarbideSix]

Second Life, even with it’s flaws and limits, has blown Meta out of the water.

[@ninjacat230]

And if you feel that it needs to be VR based, there's VRchat

[@mf--]

@@ninjacat230 vrchat's anticheat was pretty souring.

[@ladyeowyn42]

$9 billion dollars could get healthcare for a lot of kids. Our society is bad at spending money. Tax the rich.

[@InfinityHS]

Does Mark have someone in his life to tell him : “this isn’t working… you should give it up and do something else with your limited time here on Earth.” We all need someone like that in our lives.

[@cali6662]

Wild theory but maybe he actually has no time left, health-wise and is just on "fuck it" mode doing whatever he wants taking down the company with him

[@xalener]

or "hey all this shit you think you're inventing has already been done really well for years now. Maybe try iterating instead of doing standard shit over again but worse"

[@lj2265]

@@cali6662 Nah Silicon Valley did a good job at making fun of all this stuff. These tech billionaires are just high on their own egos and liiiiiterally think that they changed the world and they can do it again if only they pour enough resources in to it.

[@darthshard8967]

@@cali6662 probably a mid life crisis is my theory on mark

[@Keyboardeater1]

If Zuckerberg wants to play around with VR projects, sure, why not. But it should have been a pet side project.

[@AlexMagnusTheLoneGamerWanderer]

ZuckenBot: *"How is Meta Fai-"* everyone screaming Jim Carrey's Eggman/Robotnik: *"NOBODY CARES!"*

[@davadh]

The thing about these gamify experience is that they always come from an independent developer who is PASSIONATE about making that product fun and understands the usage of that product. Instead of funding these types of developers, Meta's AR/VR team have not yet understand what they want to do with it. You can't build a world for others when you yourself can't enjoy it.

[@FPSvolter]

It must be harder to sabotage a company to the degree that meta sabotaged itself

[@c.s.hayden3022]

I love how people at least caught on to it. The story is so often how a thing is terrible but everyone is still doing it for money or out of convenience.

[@MindinViolet]

At some point in the future, when technology and society are ready for virtual reality to take over, Facebook’s Metaverse will be used as an example of how not to do it.

[@artur6912]

Why do you assume people will want to accept virtual reality ? Not every new technology will stick or is the future. Remember 3d TV's? They were supposed to be the new standard, but people simply weren't interested in the concept on a global scale.

[@trollscream8607]

@@artur6912 yeah you are right with that. So many people can barely handle vr. But it will without a doubt blow up eventually to a greater scale so that huge projects can actually be made, since currently there just isn’t enough vr users for anyone to invest into making big games/projects. Future of VR can be crazy, but not life changing

[@rainbowstalkerthe2nd587]

VR makes me motionsick. It’s also just really clunky. It has its uses but it will never become super ubiquitous

[@artur6912]

@@trollscream8607 Again, why do you think that VR will become big "without a doubt" ? Currently it's a very expensive niche product, and the technology is no longer exactly new. Personally I don't think VR will ever be anything more than a niche toy, hardly the revolution some expect it to become.

[@mushihimesarna728]

It will never happen. Video games are escapism

[@xRumbi]

A part of me wonders what's going through Mark's head. Does he still truly believe Meta and the Metaverse can turn into something fruitful? Or is he sticking with it out of spite? I'd love to be a fly on the wall of his thoughts.

[@harrizburhan]

Trust me, you don't want to. He looks like the kind of guy who can't take no for an answer, which is why he is always surrounded by yes men/women. Quite ironic for a person who owns facebook, meant to connect people has the less connection with normal people

[@jacksong6226]

A fly on the wall must be careful around a lizard

[@sambra1979]

He used it to push his political agenda on people, censoring anyone who spoke against it. I hope it goes completely under where it deserves to be.

[@johnnylego807]

He’s being pushed by other Freemasons to make there “Dream” Dystopian World a reality, and by Dystopian i mean our actual world, not the meta verse, the meta verse is supposed to be a place we are gonna run too because the world is falling apart. i love seeing there evil schemes fail!

[@chadwalker4110]

@@johnnylego807 Exactly. Trap you in a matrix inside of a matrix inside of a matrix until you can never find your way out.

[@sonhuynh8222]

Hopefully ALL social media eventually fails and goes out of style …. We can go back to meeting and talking to people in person

[@BigDaddyTony24]

Honestly for years Facebook hasn’t been updated other than the HUD looking a little different. For the past 15 years, Facebook has been asking me to update my settings by adding where I work, who I’m dating, where I’ve been to school. Plus to be able to DM in Facebook you need a whole seperate app. The only change that Facebook has gotten has been shorts, and a double tap to like. It’s obvious anything that Mark created would be a failure.

[@woodyhorton8537]

Yea a lot of people also forget he stole fb from other people to begin with

[@puppetmurder]

you know Meta own way more companies than just facebook right? Hows that rock feeling? Comfy? 🤣🤣

[@SuperNova-mp5zp]

@@puppetmurder yeah sure buying up a company when ur so big is easy. Coming up with a good NEW idea and innovating takes a lot more skill. If it is true that Zuck stole the idea. He never even did it with facebook on its own let alone any of the other companies he decided to buy along the way.

[@puppetmurder]

​@@SuperNova-mp5zp Has that not been the human race since youve known it? Edison & Tesla etc. Well Zucc owns 97 companies more than I. So im not gonna bash what he does. Also in business its never about the idea, its how you execute it ;) So if he took the FB idea and it executed it better than the other guy, is that really that bad? as for new innovations etc I dont see or know of any other companies big enough to pull it off.. Unless you want china owning all your data under Tiktok with thier picco headset 😂

[@Lonoty]

Im exhausted and feeling like shit today, but luckily, there's always good news like this to give a little morale boost.

[@MrObsvenchilde]

I for one don't want to wake up to 20+ channels saying the same thing over and over about this company.

[@puppetmurder]

it makes me happy that you feel like shit, I hope you continue to feel bad and exhuasted! I hope you fail at life as well. Would bring me so much Joy 😃😃

[@Lonoty]

@@puppetmurder Unfortunately for you, I'm doing great most of the time. Just had a bad day.

[@puppetmurder]

@@Lonoty Its not unfortunate for me 😂😂 Just trying to call you out for being negative towards some one elses misfortune. IF the meta is gonna fail let it fail, it wont need our help. Saddens me though so many people are pushing their negativity on Meta/Zucc, A company most people here no longer interact with. Its a sad day for tech when the human race acts like this. p.s Glad youre all good

[@blumoon131]

@@puppetmurder Nice try, Zuckerberg, but we're still gonna make fun of Metaverse.

[@saltpony]

The whole point of the digi-verse is to ESCAPE reality. No one wants to get all teched-out & do the work to grind thru a cartoon version of reality. No one wants to wander a virtual mall to pay a bill, sign up for a service, or buy virtual art/virtual real estate. The dorito-stained couch and phone screen is meta enough for most folks. Fantasy sells. Reality sucks.

[@Suirano]

The best part about the whole avatars with legs thing is that the video showcasing them was pre-rendered and the whole legs thing is in the pipeline meaning its not even known if they will successfully even make legs work XD. It is truly baffling someone that has information on so many people cannot seem to determine what people want.

[@MetaverseAdventures]

It is not that they do not know people want legs, it is rather that the tech cannot track them yet. Early days here still.

[@viewtifuljon8105]

​@@MetaverseAdventures That just makes it worse, thru will sell their 1500 headsets. Then when the legs update comes you will need to upgrade to an even newer version, likely costing more.

[@MetaverseAdventures]

@@viewtifuljon8105 Did you expect anything less? This is extremely complex tech that while it may not look like it, it is pushing the limits of what we can do today. Tracking legs at a consumer friendly price is hard. I am not defending, I am just stating the reality.

[@MetaverseAdventures]

@Confusion Pouch Sounds like the original iPhone if you remember.

[@addictedtoRS]

@@MetaverseAdventures VR has had leg tracking through external cameras almost since the invention of it. Wtf are you talking about?

[@giotto_4503]

A world without Facebook or Instagram is a much better world.

[@richardbell7678]

The thing that we have to remember about Meta's business model id that the users are not the customers. The users are the product! Meta sells out the users to advertisers.

[@vxxiii4160]

I love seeing bad decisions showing the proper results

[@PaddletailPhilly]

What I find to be the most hilarious aspect of this is how in-denial Zuckerberg is, despite the flashing red lights and ear-piercing sirens going off. That copium must be strawberry-flavored

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

He’s just got a big tank of copium hooked up to him like a hospital IV

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

I'm just confused that he really put EVERYTHING into this. Like, why not just use it as a companion to Facebook and Instagram?

[@erlanddrow7950]

I feel like Meta trying to be the main metaverse without having any stand out features and being worse than other simaler products like VR Chat is like a game coming out and their selling point is "It's a shooting game"

[@Kramdaddy]

I like that Carmack keeps telling leadership that the product needs a hook, to be fun, before it can be successful, and is constantly vetoed by others from marketing and financing to ignore his concerns. It's legit amazing to behold, as their ship is sinking, that they still ignore him. lol

[@mrt1r]

Right? I mean, its not like he launched one of the most prolific video game franchises in history or anything.

[@joet7136]

Amazing. A system seller, like Street Fighter 2 was for snes and Halo was for the xbox and these marketing experts can't see that?

[@mintydog06]

Why would they ignore the programmer of one of the most important games in history? They have to be stupid. I wouldn't touch Meta/Horizon Worlds if they paid me, nothing would ever get me there.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@mrt1r A game that for its day was basically an indie jank, and that has been kept alive and strong through modding for nigh-on 30 years, with no signs of slowing down. I'd say Carmack CAN have a thing or two to say about product longevity.

[@shinymetagross1666]

@@DinnerForkTongue You could probably make a better metaverse with doom than what they have now. I've seen people do some insane shit with that engine.

[@CeHee123]

You know how Facebook is considered the boomer social media? One of the biggest influences in social media at the time but barely anyone below the age of 30 uses it now since new apps overtook it. I think that's a good representation of what Mark Zuckerburg and Meta have become. Originally a great innovator, but has become out of touch and outdated.

[@craigslater2321]

It will become a thing of the past like MySpace

[@tjenadonn6158]

@@craigslater2321 And Friendster before that. The only thing new about this is the scale.

[@Ge0rge_0rwell]

Anyone under the age of 30 is out of touch. Spending most of your time looking at your phone is being out of touch with reality.

[@johnsmith361]

@@craigslater2321 I used to hear people say the Facebook will eventually go the way of Myspace, but I never believed I would actually get to see it.

[@trinketeerrine6674]

He mostly copied other people's ideas. He's never been an innovator. This is very obvious now, every feature they've added to their apps was copied from other more innovative apps to try and compete with them.

[@tonytaskforce3465]

Reminds me a lot of the shenanigans around Victoria 3; a bowl of filth pretending to be ice-cream, and the only thing wrong with it is your lack of faith. Spare me. ☹

[@GamerRMT]

I think "vanity project" is the perfect way to describe Meta. I suspect Zuck always dreamed of exploring and hanging out with people in virtual space and decided one day since he had more money than God he might as well just throw money at it and make it happen. Profits are probably secondary to him over making his dream a reality, which is a great way to tank your stock and upset investors.

[@rachelmayes3064]

It'd kinda be respectable to spend your infinite money on a passion project, if the passion project was actually any good.

[@QueenSydon]

I think you're right. Why else would Zuck put himself front and center with promoting it instead of some rando celebrity.

[@GamerRMT]

@@rachelmayes3064 seriously. Can you imagine what a difference all that money could have made if he had invested in eradicating poverty, or developing clean energy? What a tragic waste.

[@DarthMcDoomington]

The problem with this argument is that VR Chat already exists. It has better graphics, the avatars have LEGS, and it's made for VR so VR clearly isn't the problem. Playstation Home was released back in 2008 and had better graphics. While it didn't support VR it was along the same lines as VR Chat. I'm pretty sure Second Life has better graphics and it was released in 2003, and again, it had the same intention of allowing people to become immersed in a virtual world. In fact, the avatars had LEGS. So, taking that into account, what the fuck does Horizon have that these games don't other than Faceb- sorry, "Meta" stealing and selling more of your data? From the looks of it, fuck all.

[@sambra1979]

His goal was never about bringing people together. Just controlling and brainwashing people to the agenda he wants to happen.

[@Altaranalt]

I want the Metaverse to become a thing, but it I've never even heard a single person talk about it. Honestly, I didn't even realize it was already up and running. As long as it looks like a tool to host board-meetings in, then I don't think it'll catch on.

[@trollscream8607]

Just play rec room or vr chat

[@craigzheng4889]

Metaverse does not look like a tool for hosting board meetings, who would think rich seniors would discuss business matters with cartoonish outfits rather than formal business dresses?

[@aquarius5719]

I wonder why ,$15 billion poured into Wii graphics does not work.

[@Reconviewer]

With a $1,500 entry fee for the Meta verse it’s bound to complicate everything for everyone.

[@keithmichael112]

you have to pay 1500 and it looks like that? wow

[@EJ_Red]

That's 100 months of playtime for World of Warcraft, the fuck? It's not fun anymore but at least WoW offers something, just go play an MMO - something we have been saying since meta was "popularized" by companies

[@jed23ify]

This is false. The newly released $1500 headset is the Quest pro which isn’t really aimed toward the every day VR user. The quest 2 is what most people have at home, and the quest 3 will be releasing next year which is aimed at the average VR gamer which I’m sure will have some of the upgrades of the Newly released pro model.

[@galacticwarlock2271]

@@jed23ify the thing is... no one wants this. If some nobody low budget VR studio created something like this. "REC ROOM" for example is a great game that does Meta better and they are on version 1 and don't want to sell your info.

[@Essex121514]

@@galacticwarlock2271 thats not what they were talking about. They were debunking the $1500.00 buy in.

[@Skylancer727]

I have always said that augmented reality makes far more sense than VR. Even as someone who owns a VR headset, I just don't see this world shattering effect it could ever have while I do for AR. AR can be used for aiming guns or toys, seeing the view for drones while still seeing around you, having your hud for games or your car, being about to read the internet without needing to pull out your phone, possible ability to give better night vision for people, etc. It's just so much more useful.

[@CampingforCool41]

I also don’t see how VR will be able to overcome the motion sickness issue. Some people it doesn’t bother but I think there’s a significant amount of people that just would never be able to use it because of that. I’m certainly one of them.

[@puppetmurder]

You havnt seen people sit in front of a mirror for 10 hours straight have you ;)

[@MarvelousLXVII]

Yes--and we should be able to buy virtual decorations for our home--paintings, fountains--whatever--and have friends come over (in real life) with their ar glasses and see what we have. That is something I would use--not something that gives me an extra monitor (I have 2 on my desk already) and not something to allow me to fist bump legless mii characters.

[@Skylancer727]

@@MarvelousLXVII I mean AR is also able to add extra screens much like VR. In fact, this one startup recently made a pair of what look like sun glasses that make a simulated 105 inch display yet can be flicked off or seen through partially for awareness.

[@puppetmurder]

@@MarvelousLXVII Its ok, you'll be in retirement by the time that happens (maybe even me as well😂) wearing a headset and exploring all the places you didnt get time to visit. or maybe catching up with family from across the globe? I use 4 at work, being able to swirl in my chair and access even more info is a God send. I agree the art style of meta is a turn off 😂😂 But they have to be mii like for business which i think is fair, (dont need furries coming out at work 🤢🤢)

[@raymondyu412]

Facebook changing their name is Meta is their worst decision ever!

[@StarContract]

Honestly I hope they're in too deep and the sunk cost fallacy will send Meta to the graveyard

[@kowhaifan1249]

Dude you know how much of a powerhouse meta has been for vr? I don’t exactly like em but they aren’t *evil*

[@stanislavkuznetsov6710]

@@kowhaifan1249 making IMVU on a headset is a powerhouse for VR?

[@fart63]

@@kowhaifan1249 how is it a powerhouse in VR lmao? 10x more people play vr chat everyday than the amount of people who play meta in a month

[@pacifico4999]

Expectation of infinite growth is the source of so many of today's problems

[@alpha34098]

You can say that again! That's why the US Government shoud be more hands on when it comes of regulating this kind of behavior by investors and Companies. That decision of giving Companies/Investors the free rein back in the 90s was the biggest mistake they ever done, and now we see the consecuences of that

[@yqisq6966]

I think the biggest flaw of Meta's vision is to replicate reality in a virtual world. It's a deadend from the beginning and has no future. No one wants to live in a virtual world that's the same as the real one. I'd say Hoyoverse has a far better chance at realizing metaverse. As a Genshin player, I've wished that I could live in the world of Teyvat countless times I saw the beautiful sceneries in that game. There is also a real incentive among the otaku culture to break the 'wall' between 2D anime world and the real one.

[@thatoneguy9582]

yeah the point of escapism in games is that the real world Fucking Sucks we don’t play games to experience the real world but again

[@bodyno3158]

Even in the realest of real of the games, those hardcore simulators, people love doing goofy shit that can never be done (or can be done once, in a lifetime) in real life, like landing a Sukhoi on the top of a dam by pulling a Cobra, even if they play it like it's intended, it's still doing something they can never do, not everyone can be a fighter jet pilot.

[@Ko700el]

This is what happens when the idea that made you super rich was stolen from your friends and you are asked by other rich people for a second idea........

[@abelgonzalez158]

Lmfao 😆 😆 😆

[@alwaysyouramanda]

Everyone assumes eye tracking is for YOU the user, and that Meta can just lock their own cookie jar and won’t reach in-!😂 There’s a reason they’re ignoring everyone calling for legs while no one asked for eyes.

[@justsayinit6789]

i love the pile of nostalgic awesomeness that makes up your background!

[@RM_VFX]

All I can think is that Zuck saw the part of Ready Player One where they say "users are willing to have ads over 90% of their FOV." and said "WANT!" He's been chasing the dragon ever since.

[@alliu6562]

Flashback to when I warned my dad that he shouldn’t take that job at Facebook a few weeks before they officially rebranded as Meta. Really glad I smelled blood in the water at the time (I was aware they wanted to rebrand and I knew they were planning on getting into metaverse web3 etc). He ended up not taking that job (I like to think that I played a small part in that choice), and now he’s happily working at a smaller but significantly more stable company with a much better work ethic and company environment..

[@Lenariet]

What would he have been doing there, if I may ask? Surely there are some jobs at FB/Meta being more secure and essential than others

[@CountingStars333]

........Facebook pays way more and any company will take you after you have worked in it.

[@cormbreb]

this is my favorite topic, i love to hear it, amazing work, keep it up YongYea

[@dannycurtis3575]

When I hear "Metaverse" I think of something like T.O.M.E or Digmon Worlds. A digital play ground with a lot to do aside from buisness meetings and and live forum talks. There is no vision here past Mark trying to create a walled garden.

[@Savage_D_777]

Dude, you can work in the metaverse, just like in real life, ONLY HARDER!

[@oysterscrolls]

Only way this could bounce back is if they dropped the metaverse anime 😭

[@buggnass6266]

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