METAL GEAR SOLID BIG BOSS VS SOLID SNAKE | ANALYSIS

Dive deep into the heart of the Metal Gear Solid saga with our comprehensive analysis of the epic rivalry between Big Boss and Solid Snake. Join us as we dissect the intricate layers of their characters, unravel the complex narratives, and explore the psychological and thematic elements that define their legendary conflict.
In this video, we delve into the contrasting ideologies, motivations, and personal struggles that shape Big Boss and Solid Snake, shedding light on the profound impact they've had on the gaming landscape. From the early days of Outer Heaven to the shadowy corridors of Shadow Moses, every step of their journey is examined to uncover the underlying themes that make their story so compelling.
Whether you're a long-time fan of the Metal Gear series or a newcomer intrigued by the allure of these iconic characters, our analysis offers fresh insights and a nostalgic trip down memory lane. Subscribe now for a thought-provoking exploration of one of gaming's greatest rivalries and an appreciation of the storytelling brilliance that has made Metal Gear Solid a timeless classic."
0:00 INTRO
2:32 BIG BOSS CQC SKILLS
08:18 SOLID SNAKE CQC SKILLS
16:57 INFILTRATION MISSIONS BIG BOSS
34:47 INFILTRATION MISSIONS SOLID SNAKE
58:14 ENDURANCE AND WILLPOWER BIG BOSS
01:10:54 ENDURANCE AND WILLPOWER SOLID SNAKE
01:15:04 COMBAT SKILLS AND BOSSES BIG BOSS
01:41:23 COMBAT SKILLS AND BOSSES SOLID SNAKE
02:12:10 CONCLUSION
#metalgearsolid #gaming #solidsnake #bigboss

[@aeneas237]

In grade school I got in trouble on career day when I gave a report on why I wanted to be a cyborg ninja

[@onehitkill8895]

All the people claiming that Big Boss would dominate Solid Snake or that Solid Snake would dominate Big Boss, need to replay the games and re-watch this video. Neither one would stomp/clap/dominate the other. It would be a very close battle regardless of who wins.

[@abalibrahim]

The legendary Solid Snake already defeated Pig Boss 3 times, Solid Snake is the Ultimate Soldier and the hero of this franchise, without him there will be no Metal Gear "SOLID".

[@darksuper3257]

@@abalibrahim solid only beat big boss once while he was almost in prime and big boss was an old man who wasn't even powered by nanomachines, in mgs4 on par big boss disarmed him and outsmarted him while every cell in his body was dying for FOXDIE, big boss is too smart and has too superior technique to lose against solid, if they had clashed in the respective primes there would have been no battle

[@GeneFOX70]

​@@darksuper3257Big Boss is stated to be at his strongest in MG2, and Snake is stated to be the strongest soldier in history.

[@darksuper3257]

@@GeneFOX70 in mg2 he is 64 years old and big boss is recognized as the greatest soldier ever

[@darksuper3257]

@@GeneFOX70 but also when do they say that mg2 is its prime? in fact they tell snake to be careful because he is still very strong but they never say that it is his prime, it is also logical that it is not

[@randocalzonian4756]

I can't tell you how many times I've played through Metal Gear Solid 3, but every time I get to the end with Eva's speech about the boss I can't help but tear up. It's been well over 100 times and it still hits hard every time.

[@ZamboniElite]

I have a real problem with Eva's speech because while it is emotional, it 1000% contradicts what The Boss told Snake in person before he killed her. She told him explicitly she wanted to make the world whole again, by using Russia's position of power and the Philosopher's Legacy to achieve that end. She confessed to Snake her dream was a world made whole, yet after this Eva tells us that The Boss was an American Hero through and through. While it adds to her complexity, it could also just be sloppy writing. Eva's speech is emotional to be sure but its gravitas is undermined by the words that came from The Boss herself. Traditionally this can be criticized as again, sloppiness but perhaps the bombastic "revelation" from Eva is supposed to ring hollow because we know everything she is telling us is a lie. The Boss didn't care about being a patriot or the ideals of America, she wanted to unite the world by any means necessary even at the expense of individual choice. She was going to force the world to unite.

[@randocalzonian4756]

@@ZamboniElite I don't feel that it's contradictory at all. The Boss told Snake about her dream and goals, but at the end of the day, she was loyal to her country, even to the detriment of her own dream. Which is why Snake then turns from the US. He wasn't going to let loyalty keep him from achieving the Boss's dream, even if his and Zero's interpretations are both flawed.

[@scribblenaughttv]

I appreciate that you added PO to this analysis. I always considered the game cannon, and the ability to take down Gene is actually pretty major

[@Zonex_Haven]

I usually don't comment on MGS videos as I have lived and breathed on this franchise since MGS1 on PS1 1998 I have to say thank you for including PORTABLE OPS as it is considered CANNON in my eyes as well as in the eyes of the people who actually played PORTABLE OPS and understood its importance to the series. Not a day goes by that this amazing franchise has made a huge influence in my life. KONAMI, Tomokazu Fukushima, Hideo Kojima, Yuji Shinkawa, Noriaki Okamura and many more from the original team who made this legendary franchise into existence as it is, they have my thanks. You got everything down to the last hair, excellent video.

[@mycardboardbox]

thank you very much I'm glad you feel it too there's no doubt this legacy of this franchise, will ever die and people such as yourself keep it alive thank you my friend,

[@lookItUp91]

Exactly, everyone who has actually played portable ops feels the same, it's cannon.

[@lookItUp91]

I was a mgs fan since I was 7 years old ,still am ,7years old that is... lmao jk I'm 32 but still a big fan just a little jaded due to kojimas huge inflated ego

[@robinpimpin190]

I always have to say the same on video's haha. Portable Ops was a pivotal point in Big Boss his history. It literally planted the idea of his Outer Heaven inside him.

[@tiaaaron3278]

​@@robinpimpin190PO adds nothing to the story. It takes away from Big Boss by giving someone else the credit. It sucks. It also retcons Grey Fox and Volgin. Terrible.

[@BigBoss1292]

If they both faced each other in their prime, I feel like it would be a stalemate, maybe Big Boss would have a slight edge but it could go either way

[@eRasedXem]

Yeah boss would technically have the perceived advantage but remember Solid beat Liquid even though he himself was the "inferior" brother purely by power of will.

[@GundamDroid]

@@eRasedXem in MGS4, the game itself says through the sheer will of solid snake alone it was how he was able to take on all the beast bosses, despite being outgunned, old, not on par technology wise and especially getting thru the oven segment

[@muhammeterdemakbulut]

portable ops makes venom snake above solid and it makes Big Boss second strongest just under MGR raiden, portable ops lore kills Solid Snake's feat of defeating Venom and Big Boss completely, portable ops also play a huge role about how Big Boss's peace walker feats are canon and why every game after peace walker is a simulation in lore, MGSV, MGS2, Portable ops and VR missions in metal gear franchise, all I gotta say is peace walker kills all MGSV's lore making it look fake and Metal Gear Zeke mock battle in peace walker, also frank jaegers part in portable ops and MGS2's whole you are in a simulation vibe is crazy

[@Shuffit]

@@eRasedXemI feel like that is a common theme in MGS. S-Snakes Will/Boss’s Will/Big Boss’s Will. They all had amazing willpower & resolve to do what they believed was right.

[@e.xcalibre]

​@@muhammeterdemakbulut correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the enhanced strength only a thing because of the cqc enhancing stealth suit? Never got a chance to play portable ops and im not as familiar with its plot as I used to be

[@antgarza4031]

Solid Snake chucked Gray Fox like a ragdoll at 12:52 lmaooo

[@fabioenchillada2278]

Even if Big Boss was stronger in every way, Solid Snake is known for turning the odds in his favor.

[@mycardboardbox]

very true, finally a logical comment

[@pedrofreitas9574]

"O homem que faz do impossível, possível."

[@Clean.Eastwood]

"The man who makes the impossible possible", indeed

[@nakedsteak6010]

Honestly in a one on one fight both in their prime, im pretty sure solid snake claps.

[@antgarza4031]

He already did honestly xD lmao

[@nakedsteak6010]

@antgarza4031 venom and big boss were far from their primes and snake was just approaching his.

[@markusballsdeep6051]

No way Prime BB would clap like a mf

[@KrashTheMusician]

If it's 1 on 1 cqc big boss would destroy solid snake easily

[@nakedsteak6010]

@KrashTheMusician if you look at the characters snake beat and then look at the characters BB beat, it's not close. It's also even debatable on who's better at cqc.

[@handgun559]

*edit: unfortunately my comments analysis doesn't work, really. Shame, I felt smart. I'd never played Twin Snakes till more recently, but Big Boss's cost in 4 is actually just Liquids coat from Twin Snakes. Why? Uhhh- Holy crap, it just clicked, and if this is unintentional, then Kojima is a fae being; Big Boss' coat at the end of MGS4 is a combination of Solids weird vest suit thing, and Liquids tan trench coat. It always stuck in my head, and I could see the resemblance to the MGS1 sneaking suit, but never bothered wondering why they went for that. But there it is. With Solids sneaking suit, Liquids trench coat, and his face being a dead ringer of Solidus - Big Boss is representing every snake in his costume for the finale, and thats just neat.

[@saintdane9684]

Well, Solidus was meant to be a perfect clone of Big Boss, so Big Boss doesnt look like Solidus, Solidus looks like Big Boss to a T

[@handgun559]

@@saintdane9684 Lol valid.

[@wes773105333]

It would definitely be a close fight, but I give it to Solid Snake. All the stuff he went through in MGS4 shows that he doesn't give up. Crawling through the microwave room and defeating Ocelot while in declining health is just on a whole other level. Big Boss disarming him at the end of MGS4 isn't as big of a feat because Solid Snake was at the end of his life and was ready to self delete. Solid Snake also showed himself to be a better person through his actions and how he treated others. He genuinely cared about the people around him and was a great mentor to Raiden. Big Boss's disagreement with Zero on how to accomplish the will of the Boss lead to the world conditions in MGS4. Solid Snake ended up bearing the burden of ending their mess.

[@eric7137]

Nicely said

[@ramerefauntleroy4881]

Big boss survived a nuclear blast lol

[@SilentSnake1998]

I feel like Solid Snake has better feats when it comes to physical capability, and even when it comes to CQC he moved almost like Big Boss himself even while rapid aging. Not to mention that Snake surpassing Big Boss literally happened in the games, and fits with one of the running themes of the franchise, that being sons surpassing their fathers. (Otacon surpassing Huey as an engineer and as a person in general, Fatman surpassing Stillman who was like a father to him, old foxdie virus being overwritten by a new one, the patriots ai wrestling control from major zero, and Solid Snake erasing Big Boss three times)

[@ChameleoSalamander1]

Solid also was taking punches from ocelot from a robotic hand, same hand that han make a dent in Outer Haven, same Outer Haven which im sure is bullet proof. This was after he spent 5 minutes in a microwave. Solid has rediculous durability

[@cptsnake1202]

I really like that you brought up the concept of Solid Snake from the Twin Snakes. While I never played the game sadly due to not owning a GameCube. I have played MGS1 and still think it’s the best choice if you want to enjoy the story and feel to the franchise. While The Twin Snakes definitely made Snake almost like a Matrix Character. I like the idea that someone once said. “ The Twin Snakes is basically the story told through Otacons eyes. While MGS1 is how it actually happened.” As for the scene of Solid Snake vs Gray Fox in the Twin Snakes. I liked it did show the skill sets of hand to hand combat that Solid Snake does have in the scene. Primarily using taekwondo, but still being able to use his fist effectively. In the end throwing Gray Fox over his shoulder like it was nothing. Another thing I really liked is that you brought up how many missions both characters have done and specifically explained what they were challenged with. While both have different scenarios, it still adds to the craziness they both had to deal with. All in all I enjoyed the video and really hope it agains more views and likes that it deserves.

[@mohio2020]

My money is on the Boss. Dude is absolutely ruthless based on the Outer Heaven lore that I hope they remake one day. Only one who could give him a run though would be Solid Snake.

[@theViewer221]

Before the video begins: I would say Solid Snake because due to the advancement in technology that Solid had to take down. Also the training that Solid received was created by Big Boss and others from experience. So when Solid got trained he was practically trained to the level that Big Boss has developed and learned. Also when Solid fought Big Boss in MG2, Solid only had a lighter and a something flammable. Big Boss had a gun, and Solid was worn out, tired and just got done fighting Grey Fox.

[@robinpimpin190]

That little codec call Snake has with Otcacon about using CQC always gets me. He learned it from the man himself, but chose not to use it because of Big boss' betrayal, even though using CQC was like second nature to him.

[@simonblock4773]

Great content yet again, youre becoming the premier MGS channel

[@Vernal_]

“There’s a lot of bad guys and only one of you” gotta be one of the hardest lines in the series

[@Solinvic]

solid job for such a small channel! congrats

[@mycardboardbox]

thanks buddy

[@Jean-ClaudeGodDamn]

By the age of 33: Solid Snake - defeated Venom Snake and his elite soldiers, eliminated Outer Heaven PMC, defeated Big Boss and Grey Fox, defeated Zanzibar Land special Forces, Metal Gear D, eliminated FOXHOUND and Liquid Snake and defeated a cyborg Grey Fox, destroyed Metal Gear Rex. Big Boss- eliminated the Cobras and Volgin and the Boss and destroyed the Shagohod.

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

Not to mention Rex is like the strongest metal gear

[@GeneFOX70]

​@@cantsuggestareasonablename9101 Ray and Excelcus are more powerful than Rex.

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

@@GeneFOX70 In my opinion rex is more powerful , ray is like a joke sorry also I forgot about that crab looking metal gear but I think Rex can do some serious damage which may and may not be true since exelcus looks like it has a strong layer of armour. Rex pretty much has the best weaponry which can deliver devastating blows on its target.

[@randolorian7157]

​@@GeneFOX70Really cause I distinctly remember Snake someone with no piloting experience using a decomissioned battle damaged Rex to beat Rays ass?

[@diegomedina9637]

Big Boss gets massive points from enduring torture from Volgin, he also took down some A.I powered Metal Gears on his own and may and might not have been involved in some other conflicts after he woke up from a 9 year long Coma.

[@horactixtv]

Great video- but this is one of the major reasons we need Metal Gear Solid 6- a remake of the MSX games to finish this question once and for all.

[@ifyouleavenow5960]

It'd just prove big boss is the stronger solder. If he could put up a fight and then some at that old age, he'd wipe the floor with solid if he was in his prime

[@horactixtv]

@@ifyouleavenow5960 I'll take old man with assault rifle over normal man with lighter and hairspray for $500. Wait he frickin' lost? Aw crap all my money is gone that's just great

[@tiaaaron3278]

Great video. What is the source of Solid Snake pic on the thumbnail?

[@orangexd8469]

One of your best videos❤

[@mycardboardbox]

07 ❤

[@ArcticB4Desert]

Big Boss is the more tragic figure to me, and Solid will always be my favorite character in the series purely for the fact that his sheer will pulled him through every form of bullshit that came his way. Amazing writing throughout the series!

[@dicembre15_mat]

I know what im going to Watch the whole night

[@TheKirky]

lol

[@michaelkennedy8303]

Very good video, well done my friend

[@mycardboardbox]

Thank you very much

[@dewforpolitics]

Also happy to subscribed

[@mycardboardbox]

thank you very much for your support boss! il be sure to get myself a cigar 🚬it really means a lot

[@KBXband]

Naked Snake started out well trained but very naiive, whereas Solid has no such issue. However he is very much under informed and Im sure it would bite him in the arse. In a battle of pure technique and strength, I think Solid would win.

[@mycardboardbox]

i completely agree with you big boss is very naive, and it cost him alot through is missions, during the virtuous mission and ground zeros, solid snake didn't get in many scrapes because he was far more careful and un trusting, which in the line of work of espionage you cant trust anyone but yourself its fair to say solid snake was far more observant and knew when a situation was too sticky

[@VincentK.McMahon]

Solid snake is literally the genetic scraps of BB. BB buries him.

[@plo617]

Big Boss. Solid Snake likely had better (state of the art) training and tech on his side. Take Big Boss and Solid Snake in their prime and give them the same training and I'd say it would likely be Big Boss.

[@theyhaventfedmesince]

I see it as it makes sense for the newer generation to be better. They had wider pool of references to learn from. For example the 24th caprice was made to be a piece only Paganini could play. The peak of human performance. But in this day and age, you have no shortage of great musicians who can play it just as good if not better. But at the end of the day, it's still the 24th caprice. People right now still call it the one of if not the hardest piece ever made. Be it out of respect or just fact. I kinda see it like that too here. Makes sense why solid snake may be better than big boss, but big boss is big boss for a reason. It's like that too in peace walker and phantom pain where you can get soldiers with better stat than big boss himself.

[@TexasAmericana]

LMG Machine Guns is a redundancy. Other than that little chuckle, very great video, well narrated, nice analysis.

[@mycardboardbox]

uwu

[@StephenJohn-iw1wh]

Better soldier - Big Boss. Better man - Solid Snake

[@Xxandrew01]

This! Solid Snake was also the better mentor, based on how he handled Raiden in MGS2 SOL.

[@KorruptedFlame]

Nope, Solid was both a batter Soldier and better man. Big Boss spent his entire life in an emo rage over The Boss and got his ass clapped by Solid lmao

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

@@KorruptedFlameSolid snake was acctually the only snake that was in the positive side of the spectrum and actually fulfilled the bosses will but to be fair venom snake also kind of acknowledged the bosses will too.

[@mycardboardbox]

​@@cantsuggestareasonablename9101 i completely disagree with you there, venom snake, barley had any knowledge on the boss aside from the fragmented hypnosis been fed through repetitively been told he's big boss, hence his slight knowledge of the boss to the latter in essence he didn't understand it because he was carrying out the will of big boss, his ideologies where that of a interpretation, based of big boss belief on the bosses' will, so yep little hiccup there, however as for solid snake he exceeded and surpassed the bosses will she wanted to unite the world, which is, was, delusional, solid snake wanted to let the world be but protect it from evil and keep the integrity of human structure, and fight for change, your welcome

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

@@mycardboardbox Seems like someone forgot about the peace chapter/nuclear disarmament ending we’re venom talks about his world some day not needing soldiers as well as talking to the boss not literally meaning he has knowledge of the boss so yeah I don’t know what your even talking about lol and I don’t care if you give me an excuse that the peace chapter is not canon even though it is all that matters is that venom does have some acknowledgment of the bosses will as well as having that kind of mindset within him which big boss doesn’t have so anyways you my friend are greatly mistaken 👍.

[@TheKirky]

Thanks!

[@mycardboardbox]

🎉🎉🥳🥳🎉

[@sullyvstheworld]

What’s the song at 2:12:34?

[@Konrad-zc1ve]

i think the only reason why solid snake was able to defeat big boss in Zanzibar land is perhaps because BB had uncuncious or not know father feelings and viewed snake has a son, BB also probably let snake kill him unconciously and why didn't use cqc on snake as it would have been a death sentence for snake in zanzibar land

[@ThatBugBehindYou]

Something you can never forget about is Solid Snake's luck and his crew, it's never just going to be a fight between the two and Solid seems like he would always end up with a better team backing him up. As for combat, it seems like Solid Snake is the stronger player but Big Boss seems to have a better head and would outwit Solid in at least the beginning of any fight, but again Otacon will almost always even the playing field with help in those situations and Solid's battle sense is high enough to even things out. More than any of that is Solid Snake and Psycho Mantis. Is the 4th wall breaking something that has implications on Solid's actual abilities? Can he really see in 3rd person? Can he control himself from a third perspective? Is there a level of psychic ability Solid has? At the end of it all I can't see Solid losing but the confrontation between the two would absolutely not be one fight.

[@nelsonminator]

They are both different people. They're similar but different, but both have the same will to fight! Big Boss will was controlled by the same technology as the B&B corps! But they weren't lucky enough to capture Solid Snake.

[@joshuar3632]

Deathbattle solid snake vs sam fisher. Great video

[@avencebi]

In a prime 1 vs 1 cqc fight I give it to big boss...but in the end they are the same person so they both win 😂...also this is a great video 👍🏽

[@zerofaith]

I feel like whatever game was your favorite is what determines who you think would win. I like big boss because of snake eater. When it comes down to it solid snake did beat big boss so... MGS is a great game series.

[@shadowsnake3867]

Big Boss/Naked Snake vs Solid Snake between the two for sure big boss wins if they have both equipments. Solid has too many advance technology with him. There's a reason why both Liquid and Big Boss had to die by fox die. Big Boss is a legend for a reason. Even on mgs4 he was in a deep slumber for a while so his muscles and reflexes should be slowed down and yet managed to outsmart Solid on that cqc. Even on the end of mgs1 ocelot had already said the inferior one won. Solid was just a pawn on the plans to bring down the whole system that's why he has so many help as he was aging rapidly.

[@thomaskelly5309]

I'll give you my like after I've watched the whole thing, and Solid wins of course.

[@thomaskelly5309]

I obviously liked and subscribed, pretty 'SOLID' video.

[@davidgeorge3944]

Solid snake would clap big boss prime for prime but did you see the shit he went through at the end of 4? Ocelot beat him half to death he got fried in a radiation wave oven tunnel he was fighting ludicrous eldridge style AI robot creatures left and right it was a fucking joke. After all that bollocks big boss showing up at that time whilst he's in recovery and big boss is sitting aside all new and fresh.. And I feel snake almost could feel the non life threatening usage of cqc at the time and it was throwing him off perhaps also as big boss wasnt trying to actively hurt him that might of thrown his game right off giving boss a split second advantage but.. Had he not hugged solid snake instead of hugged him, snake probably would of judo throwed his ass or tried something and it would of gone on till one went for a lethal move lol after all... there is only room for one snake. And one big boss.

[@mycardboardbox]

no, the world would be better of without snakes...

[@user-sy4nt3oz3v]

My money is on solid snake. My favorite is big boss.

[@h-dawg1876]

Big boss would win. He’s was better CQC fighter. After all big boss tough david and his brothers. And in MGS4 the ending you see big boss man handle snake

[@user-fz1gx7ol6o]

Nice

[@aurteekay6339]

Gray fox : “MORE!!! GIVE ME MORE SNAKE!!!” Snake : “AYO CHILLLLLLL” 😂😂

[@MKDumas1981]

13:17 - SHOURYUUKEN!

[@tripgiannini1892]

Nano Machines Son!

[@themodernotaku]

“Preying Mantis” bro.

[@TaneTaiaroa-ip7dn]

After big boss ocelot is the best at CQC

[@mycardboardbox]

your the first person say this and i love it!, some people just refuse the fact ocelots excellence in cqc even put venom snake over him, just look how damn good he got after a small bit of training in mgs3

[@TaneTaiaroa-ip7dn]

@@mycardboardbox well those are the facts from the first encounter with naked snake till the very end when they leave in the jet also his mother unbeknown to him at the time is the mother of special forces. So in my eyes ocelot is second best.

[@smokeythebandit6423]

How the hell did you get mgs1 to look like 2

[@TrueGenerations]

Twin Snakes remake - it’s not as good of a game imo though

[@adrianrenard1262]

Solid because he not only had the recessive genes, but did everything thanks to the training of Big Boss himself and his own incorruptible morals and willpower, I think it is pretty obvious how the series tells this narrative of how Solid is almost identical to Big Boss but while BB became deranged, angry, revengeful and egotistical Solid always fought for others not to destroy nor harm but to save lives even if nobody knew he existed nor even if it costed him his life.

[@CrayZgunZ]

BTW, the boss shot snake in the leg, she shot a bullet containing the fake death pill.

[@residentnoodler9123]

Also the funny thing is that Big Boss is also a better surgeon than you would expect from a soldier

[@mycardboardbox]

what does this even mean?

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

If your taking about naked snake I would have to disagree.

[@mycardboardbox]

@@cantsuggestareasonablename9101 i think he's confused with venom snake if u ask me "the medic"

[@diegomedina9637]

​@@mycardboardboxI think that's the joke...

[@set-l1520]

"Who's the better soldier?" *over two hours later* "They're both winners :)"

[@gyllenborg91]

I have no clue who would win in an actual fight between Big Boss and Solid Snake, but I can definitely say I've always liked Solid Snake more than Big Boss. And I, to this day, still think Konami did Solid Snake dirty in MGS4 with the whole accelerated aging bs...

[@SonGoku-yb3zm]

It wasn’t BS, it pertained to the story. The clones were never meant to live long or reproduce. They were just weapons and basically once their jobs were finished. The fast aging would terminate them. Same premise of of any message James Bond received would self destruct once it finished playing. That’s called beautiful writing dude. Now if that’s how you feel/personal opinion. Well, that’s a different narrative.

[@gyllenborg91]

@@SonGoku-yb3zm It's BS. The only reason they worked that into the plot is because Hideo Kojima--admitted by himself in several interviews--is because he wanted the MGS franchise to die and killed Solid Snake to prevent him from being in any more games. In fact, he wanted Snake to die then and there when he holds the gun in his mouth, but the development team managed to talk him out of it, and instead allowed Snake to live his last few years.

[@SonGoku-yb3zm]

@@gyllenborg91 It seems you missed what I was saying. When I said it was good writing. I never said it was planned all a long. In everything you just stated, the why he did it. Wanting for MGS to end etc, that's all part of it my guy. This is why I said what I said at the end of a different narrative. How you feel about it and what was done is two different narratives. If you don't agree with the reasons why he did it/the aging, you have that right but for me. I liked it based on how much it fit with the story/the endgame of the cloning. In general, I loved that he died of old age rather than him using a gun or being killed.

[@Grant918Tulsa]

Snake > Fisher.

[@user-sb8ig9dk2f]

Snake (either Solid Snake or Big Boss) vs Sam Fisher Have them meet in a secluded building and they have to fight for the duration of 24 hours. Also, any equipment and weapon that they have at their disposal are highly permitted.

[@Grant918Tulsa]

@@user-sb8ig9dk2f Death Battle

[@MegaMantra]

Big Boss

[@rhythmandacoustics]

We would assume venom snake is on par with naked snake, solid snake could beat them.

[@reapercarl5047]

Big boss was the original an for a reason i think that his years of exsperiance tip the scale in his favour, of course solid snake was the closest replica of big biss, an he rearly came into his own, but when you look at it forgettin the gear aspect as a soldier an bare handed including survile skills hes ahead an altho i do think solid snake has a few things tipped in his favour like robo riaden on speed dial 🤣 i still think bigboss has more stratigic knolage an the ability to think of tye bigger pitcher

[@MarioGarcia-io9gj]

1:02:52 ''snaked snake''

[@chrisfaulkner8968]

44k views letsss goooo

[@TheKirky]

gratz on ur first premiere of 2 hour film bro lol

[@mycardboardbox]

thanks mate

[@capitalism5527]

if fox die would have worked slower then solid snake would have died in shadow mosses cause of liquid snakes larger than life durability

[@Starwarsdude8221991]

Much as I like big boss, Solid did more with less big boss as far as I am aware never fought Solid fresh.

[@Kaydje]

Solid Snake is basically the anti-Snake. He eliminates almost every iteration of "Snake," and was even about to self-terminate were it not for surprise dadQC.

[@GOLDHAJIKVONGOLA]

cqh CLOSE QUATERED HUGS

[@venom_snake79]

ironic part about this comment is that big boss in po or pw i forgot beat a anti snake who was literally designed to be a anti snake

[@shortsmiddleton]

Solid Snake Vs Acid Snake

[@ramerefauntleroy4881]

Big boss is like batman and the boss is like lady shiva someome batman cant beet hand to hand

[@rns_nickitoloko_psn5775]

THE FEAR, THE FEEEEAAARRR!!!

[@maulkiller10]

Do one about venom snake

[@mycardboardbox]

about what in particular? big boss out does venom. its not a worthy analysis but i could do one sorley for him if thats what you mean?

[@maulkiller10]

@@mycardboardbox i mean one sorley for venom like u did gray fox

[@mycardboardbox]

@@maulkiller10 il see what i can do bud 👍

[@TheKirky]

how old is big boss in mgsv

[@mycardboardbox]

Big Boss was born in 1935, In the game Metal Gear Solid V Ground Zeroes, which takes place in 1975, Big Boss is around 40 years old and still a badass lol,

[@giovannibalsamo6178]

real BB was in his late 40's - early 50's in 1984, venom snake could be in his mid 30's or early-mid 40's.

[@zacharyhall689]

@@giovannibalsamo6178actually venom snake is older than naked snake

[@benwilliams3539]

Big boss was using a vape in mgs5 so he clearly has low T and loses.

[@westsquests9504]

Lol I like the video but you said some extra cheesy stuff when the pain and the fury 😂😂😂

[@austinservos9495]

Solid snake for sure!

[@bouncingdynamo3968]

I don't really know how to ask this without it potentially being very offensive to the creators, but... Was this written using chatgpt? There's a very specific set of flowery overexplaining to the sentence structure that consistently happens throughout the runtime of the video. It's possible it may be related to a language barrier, or simple writing skill. If that's the case, I don't mean to offend and apologize for the implication.

[@jagbarakor1303]

Let me get this straight. Solid snake started in Metal Gear 1 and 2? After that Solid Snakes story continues in Metal Gear Solid 1. In Metal Gear Solid 2 Solid is a sidecharacter. In Metal Gear Solid 3 prequal and about Big Boss. Solid 4 Solid Snake ends his story and has little to live.

[@mycardboardbox]

you would be very correct 👍 👍

[@borakaraca9788]

big boss is a legend and solid snake is just a copycat of the legend

[@mrnic4787]

Solid snake beat big boss twice and didn’t need cqc to complete his missions he’s the best

[@cosmosequation6672]

They are equal however Solid has nanomachines son, so Solid Snake might clap, But Big Boss is the greatest soldier due to David being literally a attempted creation of Naked Snake issue is he didnt have all the genetics of big boss only his appearance. So more of a son rather than a clone.

[@bug5money]

Solid snake I think takes the cake, I think venom snake might’ve been better then big boss.

[@agentspliff]

Zanzerbeer lol. Outer heaven must be one hell of a bunch of drunks 😂

[@mycardboardbox]

lol wouldn't surprise me

[@agentspliff]

@mycardboardbox be better if big boss made zanzibar 420 City

[@jc83942]

You're pretty good...

[@ChanceTM]

I guess Leon S. Kennedy used CQC 🤣

[@HugoStiglitz88]

Solid wins easily and he's also the better character

[@dsanchez9703]

Team Solid!!

[@diegomedina9637]

I'll add this to the list only because i know it will piss people off: Solid is better than Naked because he jumped off a missile in order to have a clear shot at a Hin-D

[@badazzmaro]

One thing i have trouble understanding, is how liquid was supposedly the closer one in genetics to big boss, but solid is clearly almost identical to big boss. Im probably missing something here

[@mateomorales1653]

Liquid and Snake are both identical twins and Snake was retconned to also be natural blonde they had to dye his hair to avoid being mistaken for Liquid in MGS1

[@rns_nickitoloko_psn5775]

Tbh they're both clones of big boss, one with dominant and other with recessive genes. Neither you or me are full 100% dominant or recessive genes. For example you can have recessive genes for your eyes but dominant genes for hair color. Solidus is neither dominant or recessive, he has the identical genetic code with all of the recessive and dominant genes in the correct place so he can be 100% the same, as for Liquid and Solid, you can pick up a genetic code of someone else and kinda do a little cheat code modifying each specific genes so that the recessive or dominant characteristics manifest. They're still clones of the same person with the same genetic codes, just with different phenotypes being expressed

[@mwperk02]

Solod snake fights and defeats blatantly stronger opponents than big boss. Metal gear rex piloted by liquid as well as the metal gear piloted by gray fox> every single metal gear big boss ever fought in the lore. Gray fox also just blatantly tanked the explosion of his metap gear practically unharmed and snake then proceeds to nearly kill him in a fist fight. What this means is snakes punches are more powerful than that metal gear explosion which would be equivilant to several tons of tnt in terms of energy release at a minimum. Liquid ocelot can also blatantly dodge rexs laser cannon which moves atleast at 70% the speed of light giving ocelot relativistic speed snake then bests him in a fist fight which means snake would have similar if not superior speed to ocelot. If i remember ocelot also just smashed a hole in arsenal gear with his fists meaning snake can block and take punches from someone capable of crushing through a material designed to withstand heavy ordnance like missile strikes. Compared to volgin punching a concrete wall makes volgin look like a paper tiger in comparison. This does lead me to believe even if you want to take snake chucking metal gear zekes foot like it was nothing as canon then solid snake still has an argument for being physically superior even in his old decrepid body.

[@venom_snake79]

bb carried metal gears without struggle. and he holds infinity, wears infinity on his face, and has infinity on top of his head. he held tge patriot while solid never canonically held it. and snake does have the inf bandana which is canon but bb has more ifinitys on him. bro wears it like its jewlery fr

[@crazedv6952]

Um... i think u forgot about how phantom pain is venom snake? He was in a coma but he woke up before venom snake

[@mycardboardbox]

wasn't talking about venom snake two different people big boss woke up just before venom yes

[@lokouba]

he showed Ground Zeroes not Phantom Pain

[@crazedv6952]

@@mycardboardbox Kojima majes shit confusing lol

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

@@crazedv6952Venom coma was significantly increased due to zero wanting venom to become a copy of big boss also by increasing the coma many surgeons and what not can restructure venoms face and do hypnotherapy on him whilst giving him all of big bosses past combat experience/encounters. Big boss waking up before venom really isn’t a win for him.

[@giovannibalsamo6178]

@@cantsuggestareasonablename9101 that's a little inconsistent because is never really made explicit in tapes. We know that BB was the first to wake up, learning of his double planned by zero and ocelot and decided to exploit the situation to escape in order to build outer heaven unnoticed, going against zero plan who wanted BB to lead the DD he contributed to finance. Medic woke up later but he spent an undefined amount of time being more or less subliminally hypnotized by ocelot who built his "new" BB persona altering his memories and personality. The game let however understand that it passed 2 weeks from venom awakening to XOF raid and this is confirmed by the fact that venom was still physically weak while BB recovered a decent shape already... so option A) venom was hypnotized during coma and passed 2 weeks from his awakening to the XOF raid B) venom awakened before to get hypnotized and miller was alerted with the code message "V has come to" only in a second moment

[@eduardoaguilar7361]

Big Boss has far and I do mean FAR more experience and was tested and proven in combat so much more. Solid was greatly aided by technology. BB takes Solid easily.

[@fightingdreamer]

Venom will take them down one on one

[@agentspliff]

just started but solid snake beat venom and big boss soooo...

[@mycardboardbox]

ye when they were practically grandads sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo....

[@agentspliff]

so you mean prime vs prime? (I started your vid before I family came over and was about to watch funnily enough and it's a long vid and I can tell you it's been good so for. I subbed. soooo got to get back to it.. also you said bb is peak at like 40 to 50 years old? that's one thing I don't agree with. I think snake eater snake was built for war from training from the boss so that's his peak. what about him vs old snake lol jk)@@mycardboardbox

[@dewforpolitics]

Big Boss literally disarmed Solid Snake and gave him a fatherly hug. He could have easily killed him at the end of MGS4. Big Boss is a chad ❤

[@mycardboardbox]

based asf indeed

[@The810kid]

That was old Snake who had like the physical body of a 90 year old who was mentally ready to end his own life

[@mycardboardbox]

@@The810kid whoaa bro that's deep are you alright?

[@dewforpolitics]

@@The810kidSolid Snake was definitely aging but he was kicking and throwing around people far younger and healthier than he was too through out the entire game. But he couldn’t beat Big Boss and his loving embrace though lol

[@onehitkill8895]

Big Boss didn't disarm Snake with CQC, he coaxed him with words. While I believe that Big Boss is the better fighter in close quarters, I still think that it would be extremely difficult for him to kill Snake.

[@jiripekny3905]

Big boss is better soldier Solid is better person

[@DoesntHurtYet]

Yet another faulty comparison. One day I'll have to make one of these and include the strengths of the combatants involved as a metric. Young Solid is up against GOOBERS who theoretically are ALL vulnerable to FOXDIE which affected Big Boss so quickly he was dying within a minute of encountering solid. Liquid was toughing it out while being killed from inside for a crazy long time, weakened severely. Old Solid is up against GOOBERS who are literally for-hire weekend soldiers until the Frogs and Liquid Ocelot and needs a muscle suit to even be close to the frogs (i assume it was mostly non functional against Ocelot) Big Boss was against the hardest, most well trained and even steroid enhanced soldiers of the 20th century. XOF who were the Fix counterparts and you never even KNEW they were there in snake eater they were that good, theres only 1 hint at a second team in the game and many of the russians in 1960's and in Afghanistan are absolutely no slouches and are up there with modern special forces in competency. "Durr steroids can't beat cybernetic enhancement" Tell that to Jetstream sam who could beat a guy that could shoulder slam a Metal Gear with nothing but thicc thighs and a robot hand 😎 "Durr not canon" Neither is Solid being any better than Big Boss, you spend the entire franchise watching the world try to create another Big Boss, not another Solid.

[@mycardboardbox]

i can't wait to see this video that will never happen 😂

[@princehussain1090]

Solid snake is, admirable, but an imitation, a gene will never approach the original, big boss will stomp

[@Telos1807]

He did "approach the original". He approached him with a lighter and deodorant and incinerated him. By that logic Liquid should've beaten Snake but he didn't. That's the point of MGS1, going off logic and genes isn't enough.

[@ESPLTD782]

I don’t think either of them could beat anyone unless I’m the one controlling them. In fact, it was me who did everything! I’m the real hero!

[@jaredmartin7040]

Solid Snake wins because he's actually an enhanced soldier while Big Boss isn't