Well... This Didn't Go Well.

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[@BladeLabMiami]

If you're going to do a safety on a button/plunge lock, why not just incorporate a slide switch to keep the button from depressing? I think it would take hella force to push the tang past the plunge if the button was immobilized.

[@Helper800]

And make the plug out of a 50+ hrc tough steel. Steel on steel contact is always better then something much softer like aluminum, titanium, cheap questionable steel, et cetera.

[@NeevesKnives]

Both of mine did the same thing even when lock was engaged

[@metal_complex]

Good to know I'm not alone

[@pmgodin]

It was my next knife on my list because of the look. Now I'll wait they fix this, if they ever do.

[@DadZepplyn]

Definitely needs a third plunge lock

[@nicholassauer606]

😂😂

[@DustinFlu]

Love your videos MC! From one dad to another, when your doing the first spine whack just get your fingers out of the blade path just incase the lock actually does fail. Don't want you to loose your money makers buddy 👊

[@MattDunlapCO]

Where's the gauntlet? Bring out the gauntlet!

[@AlanSpringer2074]

@@MattDunlapCOYes!Bring it back!

[@DustinFlu]

@@MattDunlapCO "and all his deciples cheered in unison as he dawned thy holy gauntlet"

[@jakefromstatefarm1405]

Button locks: 2 wrongs don't make a right 😂

[@robbbbery]

Nailed it!

[@StinkyBlack1]

So I carry a parrot from daggerrr, with a button liner lock, very free swing smoothe action, and for my use scenario, which is whipping out a knife, slicing, and putting back one handed, it’s the absolute bees knees. I can flip it open and shut with winter gloves on,without fingers ever being between the blade, more of a sandwich grip I suppose.

[@The-Spaghetti-Wizard]

These are cool. I feel like for daily cutting tasks, the lock disengaging won’t be a problem. Safety kind of seems pointless though.

[@caseybaker5830]

Does the black and gold one fail easier because both the blade and lock are coated? Could that be reducing friction to a point that the contact points are slipping? Just a thought.

[@slvrnblu]

It's a good thought, some coatings can bring down friction dramatically and the great majority of knife locks do rely on friction to some extent.

[@hellhound2260]

Metal complex is doing spine tap test like he's never ever had to get stitches after lock failing.

[@metal_complex]

I have faith that the average person will watch me do this and think "that's dumb"

[@hellhound2260]

@@metal_complex it is though 😆there's a pretty high chance of you getting cut when you just tap it with your thumb over the path of the blade. Got 3 stitches myself for the same exact thing lol. Bet at least a dozen got cut because of this video lmao.

[@just9911]

I wonder what they are using for the buttons. I’m guessing the first time it failed, it damaged the locking surfaces. So either the material isn’t up to snuff OR the geometry of the button lock is way out of whack and there isn’t much as far as the area of the locking surfaces that actually touch. But it shouldn’t even be a discussion that needs to be had. A button actuated compression lock is just flat out better in every way.

[@charlesbrockman3299]

Hey… I can honestly say that I’m proud of you and a few other knife guys now. You have started admitting that spine whacking is not a good test of a knife lock. And again, I’m gonna argue on my own behalf that maybe if you are worried at all about lock strength, use a fixed blade.

[@krazy_roach1698]

10:07 You did it for science.

[@jdisdetermined]

What about when it's closed.. does that secondary lock keep it from being deployed? My initial thought was that was the primary intent behind it. Like a different take on what the large button Elementum did, but even more secure.

[@kosher8720]

Both speak to me and I don’t know why. Cool little gentleman knives. Gracias for sharing.

[@attackoftheplot]

Will you be reviewing the tenable bombur? I just bought the brown and black one

[@davec3651]

The Pyrites are elite plunge locks.

[@tricky48]

Yeah I have been very hesitant about plunge button locks since they started hitting the scene... Vosteed was the first company to get me interested in button locks due to the Ankylo, which I got and LOVE, then I kept looking into them and discovered the Top Liner lock (button activated compression lock, let's be real)... I am pretty sure that's as far into the button rabbit hole as I want to go. Def going to pick up one of the Racoons with one when I can, but plunging (ahem... had to) into the "traditional" button locks is not on my agenda. Cheers for the vid MC, whether it was your intention or not, you helped make up my mind.

[@jocemarine6247]

Ankylo is not Button Lock. A lot more strong 💪 By far😅

[@tricky48]

@@jocemarine6247 Agreed... that was my point... plunge lock buttons never sold me... but the Vanchor did. It's a button... just not what many consider a "Button Lock".

[@Good_Bloke-o6v]

As long as you keep the blade very sharp there should no reason to force the knife through materials, where as obviously with a blunt knife you will need to put more pressure on the knifes locking mechanism to cut through thick leather for example, i use a small piece of sparkplug ceramic to keep my knives incredibly sharp,

[@No1ANTAGON1ST]

Love that bladeshape though 🥵

[@Lancealot3553]

Anybody had any issues with the towser k mini in titanium? I lived the knife the bolt on the back side broke off idk weird. It was a white mtn knives exclusive.

[@clavididk1236]

I like artisan cutlery alot.

[@lando8913]

I would think the secondary lock would be there in case you hit the primary button because of where it's positioned. A safety should give you more peace of mind than that. I wouldn't use a plunge lock for anything risky to begin with, but I agree they should just go away. There's simpler and way better options that seem like a no brainer at this point.

[@GBall_Vision]

This is correct. It's more for protection against pushing the primary button

[@FartsFromApplz]

And here’s a comment from me, also known as the Ritter Hogue.

[@brevanmcclellan6235]

I’m very surprised that this is an Artisan Cutlery release, rather than a CJRB release. This looks like it would be awesome as a more budget friendly gentleman’s style edc (considering they figure out any lock issues, if they truly are there) but looks-wise this doesn’t scream premium, it looks more along the lines of the slightly premium Pyrite versions

[@fredstephens6737]

I'm not a fan of knives with a plunge lock. And adding a second one doesn't help. But it does have a cool look.

[@michaelinsc9724]

Skip the extra hassle and make a button operated liner or compression lock.

[@1ohmwrecker]

So you're saying these are gonna be on discounted price soon lol?

[@pessimisticprofessorfarnsw3241]

I mean they're already 25 percent off.

[@1ohmwrecker]

@@pessimisticprofessorfarnsw3241 really? 🤣

[@FerretChloride]

@@1ohmwreckerthe black one is 25 percent off an Amazon 😂

[@Naptosis]

The Spyderco slipjoints I own are harder to fold than that... 😬

[@kil-roy]

That gauntlet is awesome

[@abumpersticker]

The design lines when closed definitely leave something to be desired. Especially how that blade looks at the top where it meets the scale. The design looks great when open. Hard to nail both!

[@wes.killed.it.5511]

it's paying homage to an original slip-joint barlow design while closed. So i guess you could say it's a modern interpretation of a traditional slipjoint except with excessive modern aspects other than just the looks.

[@stuartrollings602]

Were not plunges made for toilets?🤪

[@wyomingadventures]

Well i just ordered one last night. Black and gold one. Hope I'm not going to be disappointed.

[@CraiggoryPeck]

I already have mine (the black and gold version as well)... it's perfectly fine.

[@mattisking]

@@wyomingadventures I have the black and rose gold version and it's incredible

[@wyomingadventures]

@@mattisking thank you 😊

[@Iniquityslasher]

It’s perfectly fine, unless you use your knife for what it’s not intended for. This is like using a knife as a pry bar

[@wyomingadventures]

@@Iniquityslasher thank you. I don't use my knives like a pry bar. Just for general purposes.

[@stephanrosos4957]

I'll bet that crazy lock on the Reate T-1000 could withstand extreme gauntlet-wearing abuse.... 😂

[@anthonykitchen6533]

I need that gauntlet MC, of all your trinkets and curios that gauntlet continues to elude me. Therein lies the power of great knife content and Excalibur sigh.

[@ProjeKt_Mayhem]

I thought this was SUPER sexy on drop day. Glad I can add those funds to a Winterblade now 😂

[@mikereese15]

Well indeed

[@nickGEdc]

Okay these are sweet!!!

[@kforty9568]

This knife was not ready for release, JMO. You're not the first to have this experience with the locking mechanism. This seems dangerous for a user, especially a newer user. You might think this knife is ready for work and then end up in the ER. Plenty of other better options out there. You made comment once before about knife companies just puking out knives. I agree and some more testing before release would be recommended. Can't wait for the Excalibur!

[@Talix.]

I personally have not been impressed with or had good luck with any of the Artisan Cutlery knives I've purchased. One issue after another but they must be doing something right because people keep buying them. I also feel like AC knives are a little pricey for what they are but pricey is all relative.

[@Jorge-ft9oh]

Nawwwwwwwrrrr. Thanks for the video as always, man. Hate to see it, I reaaaally love this design and the effort Artisan/CJRB is making lately in the budget territory. If they get it improved or change to one of the locks you suggested (or crossbar, for me), they have a customer.

[@hjorhrafn]

I'd rather this didn't have the secondary safety at all. I think it might lead to overconfidence in the locks that shouldn't be there. I do like the looks of the knives, and I'm not likely to smack my pocket knives around like that, but man, the locks just failed way too easily for my taste on these.

[@themattenthehat]

idk I agree this is abuse, but also every time you show a knife failing at this I try it with whatever I'm carrying that day, and so far everything has held up perfectly. It's a kinda silly test, but it also seems to be a test that many/most designs can easily pass.

[@metal_complex]

Agreed

[@rays5163]

They could make it better by adding a third lock.

[@jspeedadventures7374]

Coated button lock a no go for me...even tho I have never and probably never will spine whack any of my knives.

[@gtgibb]

Another crisp slap with a jaunty angle, 8.9.

[@marccohen5579]

Two plunge locks are a terrible idea. It lets the tighter one hold while the other vibrates loss.

[@krazy_roach1698]

Thanks

[@ahoyt653]

9.9 on the slap

[@RamboAdventures-oi1mn]

Cheers!

[@lerch400block]

Stay tuned for MC's own Super Ultra Harcore Tactical Testing

[@Gringorican]

This could have been a compression lock...

[@GC_4]

What’s goin on YOUTUUUBEEE!!

[@paradoxworkshop4659]

$lap!

[@GC_4]

@@paradoxworkshop4659the MONEY slap!😆

[@hellhound2260]

you've no idea how many people will have to go get stitches after watching you test lock like that lol

[@debauch666]

Eff this unboxing... let's just break sh*t... great episode. Also, i learned nothing else about either knife. I really do love this channel...almost thought this was one of your new Terrible Knives reviews.

[@ix8750]

What else exactly is there to learn? he said in the video Its a knife with a button/Plunge lock and a safety, an aluminum handle with an inlay and a modified wharncliffe blade in arpm9 steel or whatever.

[@metal_complex]

Ya there's not really anything else to learn. It's a basic build. One we've all seen a hundred times. It's not out of laziness... it's because the vast majority of people would be bored to tears with a breakdown of this extremely common build.

[@danielleclark-zack864]

Wow, he musta forgot who he works for, huh? Good thing you set him straight debauch666! I bet he'll think again before he, umm, what? Pointed out a potential serious flaw in a product that should be addressed? What else do you need to know? It's a faulty design, it was supposed to be safe(r)! It's not!

[@SixArmedPriest]

I feel sarcasm in your comment, but then I question my judgement based on the responses to your comment lol

[@debauch666]

@@metal_complex...ya, I was obviously just poking fun... (as always, I watch you for your honesty). Still, a great slap stick kinda video. see you in the next one.

[@Cid_1]

Plunge locks don't inspire confidence. except the old Hogue X1 microflip (in MY experience). Artisan be like: "How about a double plunge lock sir?" No.. Just no. 🤣

[@MichaelPageSmith]

The lock works in the closed position. I purchased one of these specifically because the lock works in the closed position. I don't want it coming open in my pocket where the detent is the only mechanism holding it shut.

[@edcko10]

7:53 WTH is the point of two locks then? I for one am not one to spine whack my knives but that second lock just seems unnecessary 😂

[@mattisking]

I have the holm and it honestly is a bit extra but mine doesn't fail under aggressive spine tape even without the extra lock 😂 so it's kind of an extra selling point or something I guess

[@garyjones4321]

luv your channel.yea, two crappy locks on one knife.

[@joez2037]

Still watching but waiting for an incident because of the title and spine whacks. Stressing me out man. 😂

[@joez2037]

Okay gauntlet is out. (Wipes sweat from brow).

[@joez2037]

Put it back on!!! 😂

[@picklerick6988]

They dont seem to be doing well on the button locks I got the version being a lundquist design I thought it should be good but it was awful and the lock was useless it had awful button stick even after cleaning and it failed easily the inside of the scales was very badly scratched aswell literally looked like someone had deliberately used a screwdriver to scratch them they was deep I won't be buying another knife from them any time soon

[@walterbwd]

I thought it was one of those cool semi and auto knives 😢

[@Hagyview]

Knife companies! Compression lock pattern expired. You know what to do😅

[@munkyenima]

Button locks only exist due to the now expired Spyderco patent on compression locks. These manufacturers need to stop releasing new plunge locks and get serious about designing and manufacturing compression locks. Please just let the button lock meta die... That is my message to all manufacturers, not just Artisan/CJRB. I'm the guy with the LETSGO emote for a pfp... you can trust me bro. 😂

[@edwardk6764]

Safety second.

[@shawnsadventures2852]

Look how many knives have made it through that same abuse with no problem

[@ix8750]

I agree apine whack test is sensationalist and not really valid but it is a little ridiculous that they they qent out of their way to create a countermeasure to solve that problem and failed at it because they just doubled up with two badly designed locks and hoped it would be enough. MC is correct it could just be solved by just changing locks into a button operated liner or something meanwhile just let Pro-tech keep doing plunge locks because they seem like the only production company that does them consistently enough.

[@shawnsadventures2852]

NOPE! 2 CRAP LOCKS TOGETHER

[@joshalmightyblades]

Civivi has the BEST Button locks on the market imo. Everyone needs to switch to Top liner Locks .

[@igoryurkin9038]

No way.

[@DanielTorres562]

I think it’s a bit disingenuous to say this knife is no different than any other ordinary plunge lock knife. You literally applied the same amount of force to the Pyrite and it did not disengage. And it’s from the same people! The design is a miss, unfortunately. It’s a good looking knife, but I know Artisan is watching this so I’ll wait for the revised version, or a cjrb version if that becomes a thing.

[@metal_complex]

I meant the lock is designed to function the same way. There's absolutely no attempt to be disingenuous or deceptive. I even showed another plunge lock made by the same company. I figured people would understand what I meant 🤷‍♂️

[@grndzro777]

Do not drink and knife.

[@MattDunlapCO]

No excuse for still making plunge locks in 2024.

[@experienceprecision5406]

2 turds don't make a right.

[@kevinmain9882]

?

[@VanceJohnston]

Plunge lock overload😢

[@CBxDeathgrip]

Calling that abuse is a big stretch. These are cheap-o knives built cheaply. Call it like it is.

[@mattisking]

Not really I own quite a few artisan cutlery/cjrb knives and they are built better than my kizer varatas ($175)

[@metal_complex]

The problem is the amount of force defined as "abuse" varies WIDELY. We have WAY too many new creators doing stupid things with knives claiming "proof" of poor quality.

[@CBxDeathgrip]

@@metal_complex I know you probably get some kind of monetary gain from Artisan Cutlery or maybe it's just the free knives for review. If you said what was really on your mind, they might pull the plug so I get it.

[@metal_complex]

​@@CBxDeathgripdo you understand what happened in this video? Lol

[@CBxDeathgrip]

@@metal_complex Yes but still you had nothing bad to say. You didn't even say that you wouldn't recommend it.

[@chrismeeks7707]

Artisan and CJRB use this trash ARMP-9 which is the same a 9Cr18Mov...I hate that they have been so deceptive in the past with what the steel actually is...Not worth the money there were charging for a while. Now that's it's more widely know, the price has gone down...But pretty shitty for them to do in the first place.

[@metal_complex]

Stop. This has been thoroughly discussed by Larrin Thomas. Artisan was very quick to apologize for not properly labeling the PROCESS by which the steel was created. It was extremely clear that not only was there no intended deception, but there was very little for the company to gain by any type of deception given that we already knew it was some variation of 9CR18MOV. The only issue was that it was labeled as "powder form" when in reality it was "spray form" which, as Larrin stated, makes very little difference performance wise. This is now common knowledge. Prices haven't changed at all. They have always had ARRPM9 in budget territory and mid range knives. Depends on a multitude of elements on each individual knife. Don't be so dramatic.

[@chrismeeks7707]

@@metal_complex if you read my comment, you would see that I called out the fact that they adjusted the prices however that does not make up for the fact that they profit heavily off of things that every other company was honest about. Why do you get so triggered about people in your comments? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@chrismeeks7707]

@@metal_complex #triggered For the 99.9% of people whose lives don’t revolve around knives, it was not “extremely” clear. Just the fact that they had to apologize in the first place says it all. Name another company that pulled a similar stunt? Again, my life does not revolve around Knox so I’m not as concerned with everything as you are, as we can see with you name dropping lol. I’m just saying, as a normal consumer, their original tactic was misleading. No need to get your panties in a bunch. 🤣🤣🤣 #triggered

[@metal_complex]

​@@chrismeeks7707this is called "clarification" which must be a new concept for you.

[@metal_complex]

​@@chrismeeks7707I'm going back and reading your comment and man it's all over the place. The vast majority of the community watching my content IS aware of this which is why so few people are as upset as you. Also, do you mean "name another company that unintentionally mislabeled a spray form process on a proprietary steel composition primarily targeted at budget minded consumers?" The narrative you're trying to build here is just odd.