Dragon Age The Veilguard Is A DISASTER And That's The TRUTH

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[@Marinanor]

Joe Bite'dem lol!!!

[@wooderice64]

If the All-Seeing Eye was blind, would there be anything to see at all?

[@RillUK]

Have you seen the African elves and dwarves? ancient Germanic folklore...

[@Blox117]

@@RillUK we was elves

[@kolbywilliams7234]

Setting political ideas aside, just examine the dialogue. Isabela says that there isn’t time for “long drawn out apologies.” Yet there’s time to do ten push ups? That’s inconsistent. Also, nobody asked Isabela to go on about all this. She just randomly goes on a rant about “pulling a barve” and assuming what people mean, and how they think. That’s unsolicited, and people are not typically as receptive to unsolicited opinions and advice like in this game because it’s hypocritical. In fact, Isabela proceeds to be a hypocrite in that scene. She says people make it about them when they apologize, and proceeds to go on an unsolicited rant about how much *she* knows and about they do in *her* crew. The writers lack the wisdom and introspection to realize this, however. It is proof that a character will only ever be as intelligent as the one writing the character.

[@VicecrackVoldermort]

I saw a comment that said, "As a foreigner, I don't want to play games that remind me that California exists". As a foreigner as well, I agree.

[@GangstarComputerGod]

As an American, I’d love to never hear about California ever.

[@BulletSponge71436]

Commiefornia, am I right? 😆 (please laugh)

[@P.Whitestrake]

As a foreigner, I feel the same.

[@tim5cad203]

As one who is stuck in California... I agree.

[@elijahherstal776]

As an American, I too pretend California doesn't exist.

[@Icarus-rk9nl]

Writing adult characters that act like hormonal teenagers is peak cringe.

[@daedalron]

The worst is that they didn't include any option for our character to call out their non-sense... You can't even be mean to anyone in this game.

[@schiz0phren1c]

@@daedalron but being MEAN would be hurty to FEELINGS!, and that's more important than s*xual and physical assault don't you know?!

[@wombatillo]

@@daedalron Except white men who happen to be the baddies in that game.

[@TheMissing8]

It's even more cringe that people paid a lot of money to play it.

[@KosmoAlx]

The immature personality of the writer influenced the story.

[@chiefinasmith]

Twitter told me I was an incel for thinking this dialogue was atrocious.

[@metatronyt]

That's one of the reasons they lost the election. Ad hominem to reasonable and moderate people.

[@chiefinasmith]

@@metatronyt100%. And they still aren’t understanding that.

[@terrylandess6072]

Why anyone shares information in the arena of public idiocy baffles me.

[@StuSaville]

Tell Twitter that you personally identify as non-incel and then call them bigots.

[@SRMoore1178]

@@StuSaville Or a word I heard from another channel, "non-BUYnary".

[@RobertMalachowski]

What’s weird is when people say DA was always woke, they legitimately don’t understand the difference between normal representation and absolutely destroyed writing

[@marcusreading3783]

I think that the issue is that there isnt actually a solid definition of what woke means. For example, I use it to refer to the extreme left, the left version of the MAGA lunatics, while other people use it to mean 'anything that includes groups I dont like' or 'has representation'. Thats three different, mutually exclusive meanings of the word, so the end result is that we cant have an actual conversation because we might as well be speaking different languages.

[@Joshua_Griffin]

Yeah it's annoying. The true meaning of woke is: The aggressive push for diversity equity and inclusion, usually based on the belief that unequal outcomes are caused by discrimination​@@marcusreading3783

[@OBEYTHEPYRAMID]

i mean....Inquisition was pretty woke and the writing wasn't that good....

[@CrazySquareRoot]

The thing you - and @Metatron - don't get is that they at first will always pretend they offer you a choice. So what's the problem in that? A decade later either you use their chosen pronoun or go to jail! You should have been smarter that that and protest the very first try on their part. Because believe it or not, a place of a person who calls himself "they" is in an insane asylum (where in a normal world she/he could get some real help), not on some made up side of political divide which tries to normalize serious mental illness for political gains. The history will judge you!

[@Man_of_Krieg]

​@@OBEYTHEPYRAMID Still better than this

[@Kiarean]

As a gay man I have seen absolutely nothing in Veilguard that appeals to me. Think about that for a moment. It's not limited to just this game either, I have long felt like I am not entirely welcome in the LGBT community because I don't hold the exact same values. That should be a shocking and sobering idea for a movement that preaches inclusivity so much, yet it isn't.

[@gurugurumawaru7869]

Nah, you're the true LGBT, unlike those extremists.

[@palmagius]

same brother. Im bi, and im disgusted by lgbt and their pride parades. the things they wear and do on a stage in public before the eyes of children... dis.gus.ting. I never want to be associated with them. not when they are like this.

[@yobmo7179]

you're a normal gay dude man. what this new shit is, isn't yall. we know that, yall know that. however THEY don't know that

[@GhouraAgur]

T and Q are inherently revolutionary and perpetuate erasure of L and G identity. Everything + is just Tumblr.

[@mitkoogrozev]

Indeed. Well the game barely has anything relevant to LGB anyway, it's mostly a push for a neo- religious ideas based around the T.

[@MN-vz8qm]

I got banned from Steam forum for writing this. So I am posting it here instead: "The Veilguard Bible" 1. Thou shalt populate every village, no matter how Viking-inspired, with a vibrant tapestry of global citizens - Even a remote northern hamlet, buried in snow at the edge of the map, shall resemble downtown Los Angeles, complete with deeply tanned locals. For no land may be homogeneous, regardless of lore or climate, and any noticeable concentration of white people shall be strictly avoided. 2. Thou shalt follow the Chris Pine Teachings™ - As shown by the only child we interact with in-game, white males will be represented at every possible occasion fathering mixed-race children. Chris Pine has shown us the way, starring three times in a row as the doting father to Black children. From Starfield to The Last of Us to Dragon Age, this shall become a requirement across all video game genres, ensuring every family portrait reflects modern casting trends. 3. Thou shalt not, under any circumstances, create a female character with a chest size exceeding a modest B-cup - However, growing a distinct bulge on any character, regardless of gender, is to be encouraged. For true equality, fantasy physiques must conform to the strictest of guidelines, shifting in unexpected ways. 4. Thou shalt ensure that every character is a symbol of diversity - A French elf resembling the chef from Ratatouille shall have a loving, mixed marriage with a dwarven partner, complete with whimsical cultural banter. And woe betide the writer who forgets to include a black elf as a central character. 5. Thou shalt make women the overwhelming majority of any heroic team - The phrase "Girls Get It Done" must echo across every tavern and battlefield. Male companions shall exist primarily for comic relief, occasional moral support, or emotional breakdowns. 6. Thou shalt integrate mandatory quests in which players support companions on their journeys of self-discovery - Every party shall include a character deeply exploring their identity, with a particular focus on what is happening in their pants. The player's task shall be to accompany them through each revelation, regardless of impending doom or epic battles, for personal journeys (especially of this nature) are paramount! 7. Thou shalt erase historic tensions to create harmonious realms where prejudice has no place - Elves, humans, and dwarves no longer suffer the burden of a complicated history. Instead, they form titles like “Veil Jumpers” and embrace an inclusive team spirit, forsaking any conflicts for collective utopian visions. 8. Thou shalt bring modern concepts into medieval settings with abandon - In bustling markets, blacksmiths shall speak of “being non-binary” and insist upon proper pronouns, while herbalists brew coffee with artisanal flair. Neon signs shall illuminate every alley in Tevinter, lest any player forget that this is a fantasy world committed to current social realities. 9. Thou shalt banish any dialogue options or themes deemed remotely offensive - Complex motivations, historic prejudices, strong language, and morally gray choices are forbidden. Every word spoken shall be drenched in inclusivity, leaving no room for strife, lest a player be forced to reckon with an unpleasant fantasy reality. 10. Thou shalt silence all contrary views to ensure unwavering harmony - Any opinions, characters, or plot points that challenge this worldview shall be erased or rewritten. Fantasy worlds must mirror only the ideals of the present day, lest any discomfort or disagreement disturb the sanctity of the message.

[@ortacreef8557]

It's a sad indictment when the truth gets you banned.

[@treyphillips7668]

Legend 😂

[@BrightWulph]

Ok,I'm going to save this to a word document, because this is funny af. And sadly true.

[@ChefBeagz]

would be hilarious if people copied and pasted this into steam...just to see how many people get banned. 🤔...🤣

[@Iluvantir]

@@ChefBeagz I'd do so, but with over 300 games on my account (almost all of them old school gems I love) not going to risk it, lol... think I'll make a burner account to do so though...

[@nonbisco]

A dark age for origins fans all across the world 😥

[@janwojciechowski7227]

dark age for Origins fans were when the sequel came. After that it was only worse.

[@سلمانقتل]

Always has been

[@Japaneseanimeguy]

I still like the other 2. Won't be getting Veilguard any time soon, though, since everything I see of it convinces me that paying full price and buying day 1 was a bad idea. Shame, as back when it was just known as Dreadwolf, I had planned to pre-order. Bioware's own marketing convinced me not to give them my money even if I'm curious about the story.

[@Losclann]

I stick with Origins Will save me money too

[@doomtrooper3184]

A heavy chunk of wishful thinking and practically impossible, but If only this would allow the IP to be bought by a studio that would treat it well and would either make a true sequel or a remake of Origins or at least a megaupdate (64-bit port, mega bugfix, HD graphics and a BIT of balance for Golems of Amgarrak)...

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

"Joe Bite'em" is honestly a great name for a vampire in some kind of satire.

[@furrieoussheadquarter1359]

A necromancer would work fantastically.

[@hilgigas09]

Vampire 1: That's his real name? Like his actual vampire name? Vampire 2: No V1: Was he doing a bit?

[@EgoEroTergum]

​@@hilgigas09 Doing a, *bite.*

[@johnnyboygriffin5764]

Its already my new name on steam

[@eb1900]

I’m 50 or so hours into Veilguard and it’s much more contrived than we see even here. They made an attempt to blend it but you can detect the changing creative directions throughout different sections. Questlines in the world can really take you back to the origins darkspawn horror in a very nostalgic way, but then the companion quests are riddled with this preachy propaganda nonsense, it’s awful. It’s not just the gender nonsense, it’s also the “women don’t need to be rescued” trope, the “that’s cultural appropriation” drivel, and the obligatory “slavery is wrong” disclaimers everywhere. Interestingly, they added a sensitivity option to “exit” a somewhat serious dialogue about the meaning of death and the afterlife, but gave you no option to exit any of the actual bs, you just have to sit there and be taught a lesson. But be careful what you say because “bigotry” is another catch-all phrase you’ll find in the game. It feels like 2 different games. The dragon age when you’re out in the world - exploring the levels, doing puzzles, reading codex entries, and hunting down demons - and the insanity simulator when you’re doing companion material. And before anyone comes at me I’m a gaymer and yes I am allowed to call this shit out too.

[@Goiaba308]

YoU'Re A HoRriBle perSon for VoiCing Your OwN thoUghts. WhY do YoU caRe, ItS not like CulTurE inFluence YoU or soCieTy At All

[@MrDezokokotar]

Why would you do this to yourself? Morbid curiosity? I hope at least you pirated it. This kind of abomination shouldnt be encouraged financially.

[@terrylandess6072]

@@MrDezokokotar I was never 'first' to jump off a cliff myself.

[@reeceassify]

Well you don't have to sit there. There is a skip button. For me it was mostly just conversations with Solas everyone else I just skipped past the cringe so in a way I did play dragon age dread wolf not the veil guard. Lol

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

@@reeceassify Go fit girl if you skip most scenes Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum

[@KingMordred]

Let's be honest. Even Tolkien's most discarded, brief, simple, crossed-out draft has FAR better fantasy writing than the entire Dragon Age Veilguard script. The concepts of the cancelled sequel "The New Shadow" were already superior to DAV

[@mawortz]

well of course, its Tolkien

[@yakhooves]

I'm thinking Tolkien's used toilet paper was better written than this bullshit. How the fuck did these scenes make it into the final game?? It's so presumptuous and condescending, and has NO business in high fantasy... personally, I am not willing to play along with nonbinary nonsense. No one is so special that they've somehow transcended their own humanity at a biological level. You can believe what you want to believe about yourself, and I will tolerate it and be polite. But tolerance is not acceptance, and I do not accept their premise, because I don't believe anyone who is bought into gender woo is as special and unique as they seem to believe. So I'll give them the same consideration I give to everyone else.

[@CuChulainn343]

There were probably notes he wiped his bum with at the somme that were of better quality.

[@Drako9823]

Tolkien is simply the best. I hope to one day write something as good and remembered as he. A masterclass in literary work and world building.

[@dominic.h.3363]

@@Drako9823 More like a masterclass in egotistical self-droning about how you are a linguist. If you want to read something that flows naturally, you don’t read Tolkien, you read authors like Ursula K. Le Guin or even George R.R. Martin. Their narratives feel less like an exposition of world-building and more like organic storytelling, where the world reveals itself through character and plot, rather than through endless layers of description. Tolkien's obsession with linguistics and intricate histories makes his writing feel more like a D&D manual than a story, with details that detract from the immediacy and emotional impact of the narrative itself, absolutely overwhelming it with tedious detail. It's like the Snyder Cut: a bloated version of a story that, in its attempt to be more comprehensive, ends up being far less engaging. More isn't always better.

[@mateuscyber14]

18:04 As a brazilian, i can say for sure that we never saw Blanka as a racist character towards us. We actually love him because he encapsulates what the massive and mysterious amazon jungle could provide. 😂😂

[@neutronalchemist3241]

When it's coo,l it's good. Dhalsim is the parody of an Hindu ascetic, but he's so cool that who cares?

[@joelhodoborgas]

Yes I'm 41, and when my friend played it when the game was released we all had good laughs about it

[@joelhodoborgas]

Also Brazilian

[@raics101]

I once tried to hook a Brazilian guy to a lamp when the power went out, he wasn't very amused. But who could blame me, if it was just Blanka I probably wouldn't, but when they added Laura in SFV, it was too much to be a coincidence. Dhalsim is a great role model, traditional but accepting of modern ideas, commands great respect but doesn't ask for it, wealthy but still lives a modest life, bald but has a glorious beard, carries his age with dignity and has young and beautiful wife.

[@liber_mundi]

Todo br é um monstro verde que dá choque e pula para trás, por isso nós economizamos tanto com conta de luz.

[@The13thRonin]

Taash: "So I'm supposed to struggle with who I am?" Me: "No. I'll help you." Me: *Unsheathes sword.*

[@OverLorD768]

Sten: WTF is this thing, and why is it calling itself a qunari?

[@GorchakovVS]

Or "you're a woman, not a nonexistent third gender that you made up in your head, that's never gonna change so live wit it".

[@dsilvermane0]

@@OverLorD768 My first thought was "Sten is turning in his grave..."

[@OverLorD768]

@@dsilvermane0 don't worry, our Big Boy Sten is alive, is currently a new Arishock, and wants nothing to do with Failguard and it's depiction of qunari.

[@efxnews4776]

We need to kill Traash, the game would be much better if you could kill Traash...

[@whiterussian4498]

Some people say "but if we ignore the message, the game is fine" No, it has gameplay, dialogues and design worse than inquisition that came ou litirally 10 years ago. Not to mention origins

[@Maesterful]

And the graphics are a joke. It looks like a greasy mobile game mixed with a fever dream.

[@Nelsathis]

@@Maesterful The character design is awful, i dont think the graphics are. enemies included. Hard to take anything seriously.

[@laurendearnley9595]

"But other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?" Kind of energy.

[@ChefBeagz]

agree 1000% the controls are awful, DAI they finally got good controls for a controller then they go...oh we're going to go in a completely random and terrible direction that feels like it's been ported badly both ways.

[@batonnikus]

No DA has gameplay worse than DAO. I might hate later entries but acknowledge DAO as shit game with a good setting and story. BioWare never made a good gameplay tbh, it was never their thing.

[@mightybeard5123]

If they we ever get another dragon age, heres how it should start: Protagonist reading a book titled "The Veilguards" before turning to Varric and saying "Wow, this is the worst thing I've ever read my entire life. Good thing we stopped that guy from using your name to publish it. Anyway, lets go stop Solas from destroying the world."

[@nissowolf7268]

HAHAHA love it

[@babyreapor6970]

Lmfao

[@operatorenabla8398]

I wish to wake up tomorrow and see this as the Intro of the new Dragon Age game that just dropped

[@n0wheregrrl]

Funny, I figured the whole game might've been a result of Varric getting so high/drunk off of aquae lucidius that he just makes up the most ludicrous nonsense story ever. Cue Isabela smacking him upside the head for making her look so ridiculous in his ramblings, and then the real story begins. Your idea works, too!

[@ImmortalShiro]

Or make an overhaul mod... We do have audio AIs now so more/less we can audio with the revised dialogs..

[@MCPhatman]

"Sometimes when people say sorry they make it about them" Says the lady who just did pushups and explained for 5 minutes how someone else should feel about being misgendered 😅

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

The concept is the same as "white tears"

[@Veellinn]

And she did only five pushups.

[@hilgigas09]

The lady pirate who cost several Kirkwallers, crewmates, and Qunari their lives because of her theft. The same woman who only offers the same kind of "empty apology" afterwards.

[@sunkeyavad6528]

*Ideological parasitism* Taking over something established and twisting it into your cause over building your own. Because that always ruins the original thing it gets rightfully hated by people who did like the original thing. Even if they don't have issues with the intruding ideology, they will still have issues with somebody coming in and ruining something they liked.

[@marcussawyer4751]

Had that same problem with bg3, but Larian got a lot of fans and people got caught by pretty graphics, combat and voice acting to notice character assassination and brutalization of the FR lore.

[@johnathansaegal3156]

Skyrim allowed you to choose who you married regardless of race or gender. The thing is, it didn't PUSH it on you, you got the chance to choose. Nobody cared, nobody complained.

[@50boiledcabbagesupyourass]

Actually, there's an Argonian dockworker in Windhelm who won't marry you unless your character is Argonian too. I could be wrong though, I haven't played the game in years.

[@tekkencentre]

Skyrim came out in 2011, it was before any of this preachy & pushy stuff was a thing in games. When games back then included an option like this, you knew it was genuine, whereas now it's just soulless corporate pandering.

[@BeresVonSaladir]

People nowadays are no longer content with just being who they are. They need to be able to shout it as loudly as possible for all to hear and without any opposition and insert it in every conversation, regardless of whether that identity belongs. And if you don't want to hear their proclamation, then you're an istophobe.

[@pepita2437]

Yeah. We always see the counter argument that Daragon Age have always been queer/woke (there were companions you could romance no matter the gneder/race). The differenece was that they LET you chose how to play the game back then. The choice was ours. Not they don't let us chose anymore.

[@pepita2437]

@@BeresVonSaladir And the greatest negative is not that they want to shout out loudly for everyone to hear. The problem is they trying to push everyone to celebrate them, and to see the world the way they want others to see. An they use very agressive manipulative tactics to force their worldwiev/opinion on everyone.

[@AlisSpark]

As weird as it sounds: as dragon age fan the thing that bothers me the most is that the racism is missing from Veilguard. In DAO and DAI if you play as elf you get sooo much racism from humans and it is awesome! It makes you feel immersed and as the underdog. There's a reason why city elf origin is imo clearly the heaviest origin stories in DAO and my favorite especially if you're playing a female character (city elf origin spoiler!) In the DAO city elf origin you got humans coming into the elf ghetto to abduct female elves for their own pleasure and as a female character you're one of them and your cousin got gang graped. You can really feel the misery and racial tension and the discrimination and exploitation being at the end of this stuff. (spoiler end!) Veilguard... nobody is racist against elves suddenly anymore... It's a letdown beyond letdowns but everyone just talks about the pronouns. This is what really bothers me: the complete watering down of a franchise with heavy mature themes. Evil options aren't a thing anymore really either.

[@jessicatice3211]

And in Tevinter they are supposed to be even more racist against elves.

[@steaksauce232]

Not only is no one racist, they complete ignore the entire conflict from the end of Trespasser where elves start disappearing from Thedas to join Solas, and there are no elves in the game, city or Dalish, who still want to work with the Evanuris. They all universally agree that their gods are actually evil even though the Dalish have a whole thing about ignoring Chantry propaganda around their gods.

[@jorgenjorgensen2739]

Don't forget the mage discrimination too... which according to Veilguard the templars were essentially right and we should have made them all tranquil 😂

[@williamyoung9401]

Everyone forgets about Krem from DA: Inquisition. "They" were trans. This issue has been addressed in this series.

[@Sahl-Amander]

This game broke my heart. I've been waiting for almost 10 years to play this new game only to be deeply disappointed. Not buying it.

[@aetherial87]

Same. I want to see Solas' story finish but I can't tolerate this garbage. From the sound of it they seem to have shoved Solas's story to the wayside anyway.

[@blumiu2426]

You're heart should have accepted that after all the delays, what was going to come of it was going to be bad regardless.

[@Sahl-Amander]

@@blumiu2426True true. But I'm a hopeless romantic. LOL. So we hold on to the chance that it just could maybe be good in the end and work out.

[@blumiu2426]

@@Sahl-Amander You must have a broken heart a lot, eh? Lol

[@dsilvermane0]

I feel you... I just have no words to express my utter disappointment in how they trampled the legacy of the first three games. How could they go from Inquisition, which had brilliant character writing, several gay/bisexual characters, and a story that held me captive until the very end, to this trash? It feels like a really bad fan-made spinoff. It should be retconned. Edit: I mention the gay/bisexual characters to indicate that Inquisition was also inclusive. But it did not shove things down your throat. I even liked Dorian's companion quest!

[@AngronsLeftNut]

Dragon Age: Origins was Bioware at its best. DA2 was rushed but excelled at how to write characters. It all went downhill after😢

[@eldenarmortem975]

I don't get the hate towards Inquisition, tbf openworld is only good, if your games is sandbox, but other than that it was one of the best RPGs I ve ever played, never clicked with the others for gameplay reasons tho.

[@chrisjackson1215]

@@eldenarmortem975 Meh, the DAI characters were pretty bad/copy pasted IMO. Sarah was just your typical annoying prankster, Solas and Cole were just your "autism/ADHD" inserts, Blackwall was a bit interesting but still the "good guy", Varric was Varric (and some fanservice i'm not a fan of). But, Iron Bull, Vivienee, and Cassandra were pretty decent/unique for the most part though. I may not have liked the whole open world sandbox nonsense that much (it's not a damned MMO so stop that shit Bioware), but the main story was decent enough. But the moral preaching and creative bankruptcy was really starting to show in DAI.

[@StaubZuStaub]

Exactly the same for me. DAI almost bored me to death. DAO reins supreme, DA2 is an acceptable sequel and DAI & DAV can eff right off.

[@etiennevandijk1141]

@@eldenarmortem975 It wasn't great as an RPG. While I gave the base game a couple of playthroughs, I just stuck to Varric, Blackwall, and Doric because they're the least annoying characters with some compelling story. The choices I made as an Inquisitor didn't feel like I had an impact.The first act is boring with no navigation. There's nothing good about the monastry since so many choices and things are limited there. Act 2 is the best. Then after Weisshaupt fortress/the Elven forest its all downhill again. Too fast as if they had to rush the story just when it finally got comfortable. The things I'd actually want to explore such as Orlesian culture, Orzammar, and Denerim are all locked away that it actually becomes disappointing.The open world is exactly the problem, not because its a sandbox but because it forced the team to grapple with settings too large and picking specific wide-open spaces to wander through. The evil choices aren't exactly evil. You can make people discontent like enslaving the mages/templars, but its still whatever. Sure, the game lets you become bloodsplattered, but all bodies get absorbed into green fade stuff. The design for the demons are generally bleh. The few designs they kept (Pride demon, revenant, shades, the skeletal demon with his pope robe) are the most interesting but except for the shade they're all much too rare. The grey wardens suck even though they're the knight order that should be the most compelling and best. And I get it, redesigns and a new crew putting their own spin on it. Sure. But the game is to me just a faint mirror of what Origins is.

[@AsaNoGaijin]

Inquisition wasn't bad at all, it was a great game with interesting characters, a beautiful world, lots of choice and a good story. Try and play Inquisition now after Veilguard, you'll lose your mind.

[@charlieblocher7456]

Beyond the lack of verisimilitude, the whole gender identity ideology falls apart for me when it comes to "feeling" like a gender. "I don't feel like a man or a woman." What traits are you associating with men or women that you don't feel like you have? Why can't you attain them, if they're that important to you? And if you're trying to avoid stereotypes gender roles, wouldn't you be better off just disregarding those conceptions in the first place, and just accepting yourself as you are?

[@HarryO_Possum]

@charlieblocher7456 a cynical man would say that the goal is to impose on others and have them reaffirm you... But the "fluid" stuff is what _really_ confuses me... "I feel like M today. Therefore, I wear a flannel shirt and chop firewood. I shall feel like F tomorrow. Thus, I will put on a dress and paint my nails." It must be difficult having such a capricious identity.

[@GreatSageSunWukong]

its all about regressive stereotypes, who thought the youth of today would be throwing us back to the 1850s.

[@carolpethel4192]

Completely agree

[@dominika3762]

The thing is, I just don't care what people feel. So I'm not offended about this. I just don't care.

[@spiderlily723]

@@HarryO_Possum Wait till you find out some people were DIFFERENT WIGS day by day! Be careful, don't faint!

[@reallyfoobar]

Whenever I see that scene at 6:55, where Taash says "So I'm supposed to struggle with who I am?", my first instinct is to yell at her "Yes! That is exactly what people do." They struggle with their limitations, with other peoples' expectations and what not. And that is what allows them to grow as persons.

[@night6724]

Also in the full cutscene her mother wasn’t even more rude or hostile to her. Her mom was literally trying to understand what Taash was saying

[@Alwaysttango]

As an adult who's struggled with undiagnosed autism for the longest time this teenage outburst infuriates me to no end

[@joerandom6894]

That's this modern, infantile, consumerist mindset which confuses freedom with the urge to satisfy our immediate desires at all costs.

[@hilgigas09]

@@reallyfoobar The context of the quote is very important. All Vashoth are Reavers.

[@danielhicks4826]

Yes, oh and also be honest with yourself not lie or engage in cult like denial you absolute insufferable narcissist!.

[@soldat88hun]

The worst thing is that even if it fails, it doesn't mean they won't make more shit like this.

[@65firered]

Judging by the response that has come from the the media and devs, it's going to get worse.

[@RiskOfBaer]

It has already failed looking at the player numbers, they will never make enough money from it to even break even. And yes, they will be making more. EA has FU money thanks to their sports games whales, and they seem to be inclined to keep Bioware around and let them output their propaganda games even if they burn said money. EA is probably just as ideologically possessed as Bioware is at this point. The only real option would be a rebellion of investors like in the case of Ubisoft. But that's unlikely to happen due to that FU money I mentioned.

[@buckjones4901]

And I won't buy that shit either.

[@avarion9538]

@@RiskOfBaer Yes. I expect it to sell around 1/10 of what Hogwarts Legacy sold. After 1 year, Dragon Age might sell 2.5 million units max, and they would need around 5 - 6 million to break even 🤷‍♂

[@TheMarcone1985]

the team is already moving in order to r4p3 the next mass effect

[@UltraViolettaPlays]

I'm a big chested woman, I don't feel represented in this game. Give me a boob slider in character creation that gives my character more then a generous A cup! I'm tired of gaming companies trying to erase the female body. Not that I would ever play this game. As a long time Dragon Age fan, this game isn't a Dragon Age game and it's an insult to call it such.

[@JosephSmith-lm4ri]

When I saw someone else making fun of the "customization options", I made the joke that the "bust slider" removes the non existent boobs.

[@josefs.627]

How far would you need the slider to move to be exact? 😉

[@AeneaSXI]

But, but but... then people who have small breasts will feel belittled if they see a character can have big breasts and they will be sad. : ( Also male players could make a character with big breasts and potentially be aroused by it! Can't have that, that would be sexuallising women all over again! Damn masculine toxicity! Sorry no representation for you I fear. People are so stuck up wanting to deny people from sexuallising women that women now can't even recreate their own identity ingame anymore. Kinda sad ngl.

[@TheTwinkelminkelson]

A simpler thought experiment to the one you proposed would be to just alter the "pulling a Barv" scene, where instead of pronoun apologia they swap the script with references to blaspheming (with the Christian God, for added effect) and self-flaggelation. It's genuinely such awful writing that even divorced of politics (or substituted with your favorite(?) brand of it), it always comes out horrendous.

[@metatronyt]

Very good point. Although my thought experiment was a lot more fun 😅

[@Marveryn]

@@metatronyt you thought experiment was too good, I may play that game. You turn that thought experiment to a religious rant like those 80's religious movies that are so bland and preachy now that game i would not touch. Man those movies were so bad.

[@daedalron]

@@Marveryn Even a religious game can be fun if it doesn't take itself seriously. Like that Jesus Christ game I saw a few years ago, which was such a parody it was actually pretty funny (checked, but the game is still not released yet :'( ).

[@TheTwinkelminkelson]

@@metatronyt Well I said mine was simpler, not more fun, so you can have that victory. :P

[@r.d.6290]

Because that how cultists of any kind, being obsessed with their "idée fixe", would imagine things in their heads and write any story they could.

[@rakyon9629]

If Dragon Age MKGA was actually real it would feel more like a parody.

[@Marveryn]

i know as i was listtening about Dragon age MKGA i was going wait? that sound funny as hell particular Joe will Bitem.

[@Chris_Whisky]

To be fair... a questline defending free expression from an opressive force would not be the worst

[@delscorch087]

I'd play the hell out of that game.

[@rakyon9629]

@@delscorch087 same here but mainly for laughs

[@paulie9483]

That was a what if, but we have plenty of examples of journos going after a game for having the wrong message. In 2017 when Far Cry 5 came out, there were many journos flipping because the flag waving, 2A advocating, God fearing, potentially 'Trump voting' Montana patriots were humanized at all, much less the protagonists and not the cultists you were up against. Fantastic game btw, possibly Ubisoft's last great one.

[@FurbleBurble]

As a physically disabled person, I am physically disabled. I have physical disability. It's left me physically disabled. And because of my physical disability, I am physically disabled. What the fuck. I actually _am_ physically disabled. My disability is not my identity. My disability is not my personality. I'd rather people look at me and see a person than a disability. If I were represented like this in a video game, or any media for that matter, I'd be furious.

[@thepokemontrainer6094]

This actually pissed me off because I was so happy for this game but after seeing it like what were they thinking!!!!!!!

[@blackscorpionstinger]

Nah.. you need more exposure to show other people how disable people with disabilities are

[@FurbleBurble]

@@blackscorpionstinger I do love exposing myself.

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

@@FurbleBurble The Failguard is bigoted and inclusivity-washed given there are no wheelchair options in the character creator

[@quillclock]

@@rexsceleratorum1632 honestly how cool would it be to have a little floaty ball thing your charter sits in? like eggman or baby yoda. would work in sifi games too. but you gotta make it a choice.

[@AK-bm1yl]

I have a close friend who played this game. The moment I said that there are reviews that say that Veilguard really dropped the ball, he went on the offensive and said that it's because of people who can't tolerate people who are different than them. He then went onto say that BG3 was not that great. The problem with these kind of people is that you can't have a dialogue. They put politics and propaganda instead of trying to see why something is not as good as they think it is

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

They write "heroic fantasy" like I'd write a lazy sitcom therapist visit.

[@sherizaahd]

sounds more like they write heroic fantasy like a tic-tok rant.

[@Drako9823]

@sherizaahd I would rather hear a guy shouting "STOP TALKING ABOUT AMONG US" in Dragon Age than whatever this is tbh

[@that_damn_kiddo]

The MCU has done irreparable damage across all entertainment writing

[@Atrakis]

No need for woke ideology in videogames. I don't know why "modern audiences" would need play Dragon Age, they already live in their own fantasy worlds.

[@HoLeeFuk317]

There is no "modern audience". If dragon age wasn't already an established series with an existing fan base Veilgaurd's sales would be in line with Concord and Dustborn.

[@theehumanshield]

@@HoLeeFuk317 The same can be said for new Star Trek, Star Wars, Rings of Power, Wheel of Time, Halo, Gears of War, The Last of Us, and the list goes on...

[@brando3342]

@@HoLeeFuk317 I disagree, there IS a modern audience. It's just not a big audience, it's a very small minority audience.

[@robertmarshall2502]

​@@brando3342Arguably the "modern audience" has a viewpoint like a bizarre multiverse version version of the 1920s. The most sexist, racist, homophobic, bigoted amongst us trying to project out onto the rest of us.

[@brando3342]

@@robertmarshall2502 Nah, you insult the people of the 1920's. They weren't nearly as anti-truth, and pro death as these people are.

[@Moshugaani]

The thing that irks me the most is how they're just importing 2024 gender ideology and language as is into the game without even trying to make those concepts fit within the game's world. And it's especially confusing since they did also develop in-universe terms like "aqun-athlok" to describe a person who does not conform to their birth gender. They could have found ways to deal with the subject of gender roles and identities in a much subtler way that would have respected the medieval fantasy setting and the established lore, instead of importing modern ideas, language and theory as if the world of Dragon Age had similar history and social development than we have had. Ideas, social conventions and theories do not appear out of thin air. They develop in real history through real events and real conditions. It's absolutely immersion breaking and jarring to hear such dialogue and terms in a game like this. On top of that the writing in this game is infantile and cringe.

[@Darkkfated]

Expecting any degree on competence from activists hired for the way they identify (rather than merit), posing as writers of fiction, was your first mistake.

There is this article written by a "gaming journalist" . Where the person complains about how there is not enough representation and LGBTQIA nuances in the game. We are at a point where people are not even trying to hide the fact games are being used to spread propaganda! I am mature enough tot know art has always been used to disseminate political ideas and that modern games are art ( whether ppl want to admit it or not) however there is a difference between trying to tech a different world view to people and forcing them into it. !! This is what these "game developers" do not get. They do not understand how to use the medium they have in their hands in a creative way. Instead they limit themselves to being propaganda parrots.

[@foreheads766]

As a trans person this is exactly what pissed me off. They didn't care at all for the world they were writing this character in. The thing that pissed me off the most though was the over apologizing for saying the wrong pronouns. This would PISS ME OFF so hard in real life. People misspeak and have to adjust to that shit. Making a big deal out of it is super pretentious and it's absolutely dehumanizing for yourself and cringe. Making her act like a 14 year old was also just more bad representation and if anything puts a bad light on us. I miss when people used to know that when you deal with a hard subject you have to take it more seriously and write it carefully, not just put it in for "look how progressive we are" points...

@@foreheads766 It sad how RPG games used to be those where boundaries were pushed ( and I love that personally, I love my world view being challenged) but now fall into 2 main categories. Nostalgia grabs and plain propaganda machines. I love Start Trek, it broke so many rules and challenged so many established world views ! It never did so out of need to "teach " ppl though. It did it organically, as part of a great storytelling attempt. This is what many of these jesters making videogames do not understand. *its not the message that's problematic, but how you present it* . And this is valid for all walks of life and all social situations. These ppl have ZERO social interactions IMO

[@faberofwillandmight8758]

The biggest offense in this game outside of not being able to disagree with anyone other than Solas, is that you get 3 codex entries on Taash's gender issues and 0 codex entries on 3 of the Elven gods... You can also play a Dalish elf, but you can't worship the elven gods. You can also play a Tevinter rebel against slavery, but you don't see any slaves in Tevinter. You can play an elf or a Qunari but you never face any racism. Even with the Qunari having conquered and massacred half the map and even with the Elven gods being the villains. What makes this more bizarre is that the Writer who wrote those Taash scenes with the non-binary stuff and who is non-binary, also wrote the first story in the book Tevinter Nights, which literally begins with a series of consequitive war crimes on men, mages, etc. The same person also wrote the book of the Masked Empire and Solas which are both excellently written. Ironically, even for LGBTQ representation it's funny because what could have been one of the most impactful moments in the game is a codex entry while we deal with Taash and her garbage behavior while not being able to call her out. For those wondering, of the 2 freed elven Gods, Ghilan'nain had a female lover who is now dead and in this codex entry she takes time away to mourn, inspect her non-blighted creations, and consider how to honor her lover in the new empire. Instead of getting that and being able to ask her her perspective of events and have an impactful moment in the main story, we get Isabela doing pushups for misgendering.

[@reichspepe1587]

I recommend everyone who still has it and even those who never played it to give a try to Dragon Age Origins. It's still a truly great game.

[@metoo7557]

Origins was a masterpiece for its time. The rest not so much.

[@ninmu]

@@metoo7557 Awakening was also great imo.

[@forest_hobo]

Been playing it now for few days 😄 played it through maybe 20 times throughout the years, still one of my absolute favourites!

[@eoghanpage576]

I am replaying it at the moment

[@elvishernandez8736]

Finished it for like the 10th time a few days ago. Masterpiece.

[@geraltgrey-mane695]

For someone who lives in Sweden, and zero people who talks like this anywhere near them or even meet someone who do. Can you explain when people say (The female "born") " I dont feel like a woman, or a man." "I dont fit inside a woman, I act more like a man" "I like pants more then dresses" etc etc? Arent these just woman/girls who are Tomboys? What the hell happens to Tomboys??? My best friend growing up, was a girl who acted and played as a boy. I didnt care, she didnt care, our parents didnt care. More or less NO BODY CARED! Maria is her name, and yes she did a lot of "boy" stuff. That does not mean she is a boy..... A woman/girl can have male "traits" or preference for things. It does not make her a man for it tho.... Same thing if a guy, likes hmmm I dont know Fashion? hmm or I dont know bloody knitting? That just mean you might have, what people might see as commonly be known as female "traits"...... Does yet again, does NOT make you a girl or a boy...... I am so lost within this modern garbage ideologi.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

Yes exactly! I was a tomboy, but one of the perverse parts of "Progressivism" is how insanely regressive and stereotypical it is. Seriously, if I'd been born in the US in 1995 or later, people would've told me I was a "trans boy."

[@JKribbit]

I think it's just an American thing for the most part. I'm Asian that used to live in the west, when I see Asian-Americans nowadays I want to run away. They are so soft and so easily-offended and always trying to push their stuff onto me, like I'd be talking about a topic then they will somehow turn the topic into identity politics.

[@Iluvantir]

I am with you on all you said. First they conflated the word "gender" with "sex", and now they have pushed the same word over to conflate with "personality". A man can be effeminate and yet still be a man, happily married with a bunch of kids. A woman can be "butch" yet she's still a woman. Personality traits are not ones sex. But in the brain-sick minds of these control freaks: no difference. How can any man even say "I feel like a woman"? They've never been one. It's impossible. Same for a woman saying "I feel like a man". They can't. They've never been one.

[@Alwaysttango]

It's awful. Trans propaganda aims to make girls and boys who don't fit the gender stereotypes of their society believe their are a different gender or in between genders instead of rejecting old tired ideas like "girls like pink and princess dresses". It's awful. It sends women back to the kitchen and being unemployed mothers. Disgusting.

[@Alwaysttango]

Like, I'm not surprised this ideology came from murrica AT ALL. They are not progressive people even when they try hard. I say this as a fellow European too, from the second country that made gay marriage legal. It's not an issue here!! We ARE progressive for real

[@baronvonboomboom4349]

My biggest things are keep the fantasy games fantasy, i do not need modern terms thrown in if the writing is good and natural, not shoehorned in. DA has always been progressive, DAO i think was one of the first rpg games to have a bi/gay relationship options. The issue is when you twist writing and lore to shoehorn in modern thoughts and ideals is where the issue is. If you keep true to lore, and do things naturally and subtly, like in SM2, then there is absolutely no problem and people love it

[@Marveryn]

sure dragon age allow you to be gay/.straight or whatever. It was your choice if you wanted to go that route. It did not force you.

[@EM-vw7im]

Which is why I've always said the woke crown hurt their own cause. Games were slowly becoming more progressive, just naturally as more people got I to the gaming sphere. No one cared cause games were generally good. Now there is such large push back because of them forcing in narratives and ideaology so inorganically.

[@mindlightwave]

Sweet Baby Inc was paid to "work" on this game, they exist to propagandize exisiting products and to spread pandering woke filth.

[@ryannathaniel9296]

Not just games, but movies and TV Shows too. I cringed when the characters in Raya and the Last Dragon Talks with urban American slang, when the whole movie is supposed to be set in a fantasy version of Medieval/ Early Modern Southeast Asia

[@lorddiethorn]

No it was not

[@ellieanniecreations9477]

Another really good character of note is Cremisius Aclassi. He is Second in Command of The Bull's Chargers led by The Iron Bull in Dragon Age: Inquisition. You get close enough to him and he reveals he was born a woman bought identified more as a male and would pretend to shave with his father. Later when he realized his options in the military were limited as a woman, he payed a Healer to help him pass as a male. There is more, but it's too long. Point is the character just was the way he was and to learn this, you had to actively get close as the character and actually earn his story. That is one thing Dragon Age does very well with the side characters you unlock story options by earning their regard.

[@littlebit813]

There's a difference between inworld politics and contemporary politics being evangelized in media. I remember when videogames were a place where friends could put different beliefs aside and bond over our love of a franchise.

[@justinmartin845]

Without the Dragon Age name this would have gone down the same failure as Dustborn or Concord.

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

Unknown 9

[@johannrodriguezdino]

I mean, did it help really? Not breaking 100k concurrent and having a player count dropping bodies faster than a prom queen on prom night isn't really a mark of success for a game that cost north of $250m.

[@justinmartin845]

@@rexsceleratorum1632 true, that was so bad I completely forgot about it lol.

[@dimitrirascalov5248]

@@justinmartin845 It lived up to its name and remained unknown 😆

[@sol-hunter2332]

16:10 a refreshing part for Zevran is that you can engage, reject, or even be grossed out by his advance. Additionally, when you talk to him, he even says he prefers women, but he isnt picky. Zevran felt like a real character, with real feelings, and real preferences. You dont get that with modern progressive characters. Heck, they few preferences as offensive.

[@Khanemis]

Yeah, exactly. Even more you can actually kill Zevran right at the start if you don't like him. That's what my father-in-law does in every playthrough because he finds him annoying. Now imagine being able to kill a progressive character today. This wouldn't fly. Instead you have to roleplay a very inclusive individual if you like it or don't. Zevran is cool.

[@Adrenalyze]

Wow. I was still in the process of choosing whether if I buy it during a Winter sale. However, your video portrayal on the injected politic is most accurate, as it doesn't deflect or focus on other content. And having a spine? That's what I'm thinking to miss in professional media outlets.

[@foreheads766]

you can always pirate. YARRR

[@vulkanofnocturne]

"It means that I don't feel like a man or a woman." I don't feel like a man either. I am one. 'Man' isn't a feeling.

[@ivantumanov1015]

And how does that make you feel?

[@coaiemandushman1079]

@@ivantumanov1015 normal

[@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm]

It's so funny because all this comes down to "Im a woman with more masculine interests/features and the same the other way around. For centuries we all knew there is alot of variety in how you "express" your gender/sex. But not to long ago the chronicly online decided to give each slight variation its own identity and name. And try hard to be special. Wich is just sad.

[@Leathal]

It’s a tremendous cope for feelings of inadequacy or a desire for attention. I have far too many “NB” coworkers and they all fit one or both of these definitions

[@midnightblackroses]

I've never understood it. How do you feel like your own sex? How can you know what the opposite sex feels like? It's so stupid yet it's everywhere atm.

[@KnotsOfWonders]

Step One: Demand you include them in your space. Step Two: Demand you change your space to fit their ideologies. Step Three: Demand you accept their changes. Step Four: Demand to remove you from the space because you don’t like the changes. Step Five: Ask why don’t you create your own space if you don’t like it? Repeat.

[@Drako9823]

Gatekeep so hard

[@Muscaplays]

There is no "space". Gaming is not a monolith. We live in a free market economy. Everyone can make any game they want, as long as it sells

[@KnotsOfWonders]

@@Muscaplays That's the problem they don't understand isn't it? Gaming used to be for everyone no matter who they are or what they choose to believe in they are all welcome. Then these mfs come in and decided to make it into a "Safe Space" for themselves and kick everyone who doesn't adopt their ideologies or isn't in lockstep with their politics out of forums/communities.

[@Muscaplays]

@@KnotsOfWonders wdym „kick out“? You can still buy games. You can buy Veilguard even if you disagree with identity politics. Or you can choose to not buy it and get games without politics or those with poltics that you agree with. Noone‘s stopping you

[@KnotsOfWonders]

@@Muscaplays Did you even read my comment?

[@WantedArgonianMale]

Dragon Age MKGA would have astronomical amounts of sales

[@averagelok1959]

It genuinely sounds more like a revolution fantasy game which is much better than this mess

[@dominika3762]

No, both sound bad

[@napoleonfeanor]

It kinda showed he knows little about lore.

[@revariox189]

@@dominika3762 To be fair, one seems about a specific character and it's development while the other seems to have actual quests.... And yes in many games more subtle propaganda is present whether equivalent in our world or not specifically but there is actual action and development of a world story. Developing a single person trough a game is a bigger challenge, it can be done right but it is more likely to be done wrong, in this case the subject chosen and the method of execution were more then lacking. Anyone giving money for this game simply does not know what they are expecting.

[@Thebossatmserfgsd]

a movie, book, or story about war and politics can easily be turned into a fun rpg. A movie about gender issues gives you nothing to work with it will most likely always feel tacked on and pointless if you try to make it the focus

[@NoBodysGamer]

The best you can do, if you really miss DA 1] Download a copy from torrent [enjoy the feeling you screwed them up] 2] NEVER talk to this creature in game and avoid all the cringe 3] If some of her quests are mandatory, change language to German and turn off subtiles [imagine you watch a prequel to German porn]

[@olafgurke4699]

Or better yet, boot up the old games. Even if I got Drag Queen Age: Failguard for free, I'd feel ripped off and demand my money back. Also, 3 wouldn't work for me, because I'm German myself. xD

[@secretname2670]

I'd rather watch actual german roleplay porn than play this slopware game

[@SpyguyStudios]

They butchered the german language even worse than they butchered the english language, surprisingly.

[@happy_camper]

Holy moly, I heard a few rumors that it was disappointing - but WOW. This is way too immersion breaking. What the heck were they thinking…

[@infinitesimotel]

They were thinking about pushing the agenda.

[@daedalron]

What were they thinking? The game director is a trans woman activist. That's what "they" were thinking about...

[@MrDezokokotar]

As simple beings, their thoughts are not very complex. Something along the lines of: "Must. Spread. THE MESSAGE."

[@Khaeris]

Tbh when I first saw a video showing the dialogue I thought it was a meme. Couldn't believe professional writers were coming up with such terrible lines.

[@BrianHall-Oklahoma]

@@MrDezokokotar Yes. Their problem is that normal people reject "THE MESSAGE" and know that anyone pushing it is an idiot.

[@CarlWheatley-wi2cl]

Hey, I'm 54. I woke up on Christmas morning to the ZX81 at 10yrs old and remember that feeling to this day haha. OG gamer. I've sampled just about everything in the gaming medium through the decades and I can officially declare that Veilguard is one of the most perverse and grotesque products I've ever seen in the media. Hundreds of hours into DragonAge at that point, played DAOrigins ALL day on release day, dark fantasy is a wet dream for me. Veilguard is not DragonAge and anyone disputing that doesn't know what the F they are talking about.

[@shanesprecher8290]

I'm 54 too, I guess this game is what they mean when they use the phrase, "First world problems...". Take me back to the 80's.

[@glenmcl]

50 here. Take me back to Manic Miner and Treasure Island Dizzy please!

[@TetsuShima]

Is it me or do most non-binary characters in fiction have a completely inhuman appearance/nature? 😅

[@Marveryn]

i will never understand non binary. So you are saying sexually you are a toaster. Ok but why bother tell me? Hey there are many famous people that had the sexuality of a ice cube. In fact that may include one of the french King who had to have his brother in law tell him how to proceed with his wife cause He was taking years to produce an heir. It not an uncommon problem but it not one i need to bend over backward to know about.

[@robertburns4429]

Humanity is a binary species so they have to go outside of human to represent non-binary.

[@ulfskinn1458]

In Hunan? You sayin’ they look Chinese or somethin? Yeah, that is weird now that you point it out.

[@MrDezokokotar]

Yeah, its intentional. They want to normalize people who look and act strange, androgynous, "gender-nonconforming". They think simple exposure to them, seeing them on screen, will make people more accepting of them, perceive them as more normal. I dont think it works as they intend to though. Might even have the opposite effect.

[@exantiuse497]

I mean, that would make narrative sense tbh. If someone is born with some curse or something that makes him look drastically different than an ordinary person, that would realistically make him feel like an outsider and completely different from everyone else, then it would make sense if he would start to reject everything else the "normal" people have too, including sexual norms. I don't know if that's the reason given in this game, I don't particularly care about it, but it would make sense if you wanted to include such a character in a story

[@gremlon111]

This game confirmed to me that the Dragon Age fanbase just want mediocre familiarity. Even besides all the politics in the game, which the fanbase will justify with saying "but, origins had them too". Origins politics made sense in that world and the world reacted accordingly to it's established lore. Since then, we had Qunari's that accept someone identifying as a man even though they are a woman. Mind you, their mindset used to be, when you're born you are assigned a job/title depending on your gender and that's it. You stay that way. Very oppressive and rigid. Racism was prevalent in the series, in Veilguard? It's fixed, no more racism. If you play as an elf, no one will call you knife ears, there won't be insane characters that blame all the elves for this crisis. You can be a Qunari in Veilguard and nobody bats an eye in Tevinter. THEY'VE BEEN AT WAR FOR YEARS. The opposing religious beliefs of Tevinter and the rest of Thedas. Never brought up, everyone is buddy buddy. The gameplay is also terribly mundane, fighting the same spongy ass enemies over and over, with no tactical difference. Dialogue is forspoken levels, Rook is the only adult, everyone else, overgrown children. You can't even be a cunt of a Rook. You can't be evil in an RPG..This from the same franchise where you can say to an Elf girl that she may not enjoy being around soldiers, but they will enjoy her...Dragon Age is over.

[@hilgigas09]

Slight correction, the Qunari believe in a separation of body and soul. The body is but a vessel the tool and the work you do are your soul. That's why Sten named his Sword "Soul" in Qunlat and panicked when he lost it. By some weird troll logic, that is very Qunari, you could say that male and female are personality traits in their minds. Based on his Redcliffe dialogue when the city is under threat everyone fights even the women and children, so in his head fighting is not a male thing being a warrior/ soldier is. His confusion is that a female warden is more than one thing simultaneously, a Woman and a Warrior. He is kind of dumb that way.

[@danielgardner1008]

2 seconds into the game content: 🤢 5 seconds into the game content: 🤮

[@DRKLRD-kv4cm]

10 seconds into the game content:

[@joelhodoborgas]

😂😂

[@panzer00]

The irony is that Dragon Age: The Veilguard is actually offensive to everyone but one very specific type of person.

[@sassyghost_8]

There’s a video I saw the other day going over these scenes and the guy asked “Who’s trauma am I watching?!” I agree. These scenes feel like therapy sessions from a teenager who is writing scenarios to process their feelings.

[@Psykout]

The fact that one of the worst companions ever written, Taash, was writing by the head senior writer at Bioware, is hilarious. It is so bad that it seems like they were making fun of the ideology, so ironic.

[@lawrence8724]

The thing is, creative people can make political points without being hamfisted about it. Tolkien for instance hides quite a lot of anti industrialism in his work, as well as anti war sentiments. You could quite easily invent a race in a fantasy setting that doesn't have binary genders, and have them not quite understanding the whole male/female thing, and make some points that way. But having it basically a tiktoker's fan fiction as a story is unoriginal, and completely un-creative.

[@andreasdill4329]

Mass Effect: Asari

[@Luke1902]

you remember that meme of a guy in the meeting having an idea and being kicked out through the window? that would be you if you made this argument in one of their meetings

[@Squeeble00]

The problem is that these writers abhor the idea of anyone who disagrees with their views enjoying their work. Subtlety might run the risk of letting the wrong people have fun.

[@Luke1902]

@@Squeeble00 Well yeah obviously, cause why would they let you take their spot with a brilliant idea when they can just push their agenda and take the credit, while also being protected by their “inclusive” community

[@TGPDrunknHick]

honestly Tolkien's reverence for the natural world and disgust with industrialism isn't even subtle. you can't read the books and not come away thinking maybe the man was a tree hugger. It's just well written and doesn't insult you for taking advantage of the modern world.

[@JesterActual]

8:00 that whole section of dialogue had me so bored I looked at the coffee swirling in my cup for entertainment

[@CrispyCircuits]

Damn, that was what was missing to save my soul from boredom! I'm off to make a nice fresh espresso with a bit of frothed milk on top. I will seek out extreme boredom and annoyance counseling appointments later today. It'll be a hard road to recovery!

[@TetsuShima]

I honestly wonder what Tolkien would say if he saw the characters from the worlds created by his fantasy successors making push-ups as a punishment for using wrong pronouns. 💀

[@lasselen9448]

And he was a linguist, too...

[@lonewanderer2774]

he wouldn't even comprehend the concept of "wrong pronoun". You don't get to choose your pronoun, you just get one based on your gender

[@zxyatiywariii8]

Let alone fauxnouns like "Xe/Xir" and "Fae/Faer" and "Bee/Bir". . . ad nauseum.

[@secretname2670]

HE WROTE THE DICTIONARY , of course all of this would feel unsavory to the big R

[@dsmith3112]

Interesting fact regarding "every character is pansexual": They did exactly this for Dragon Age 2, and were cricized for it by the activists. Back then "all characters are bi" was considered a shallow cop-out. Apparently the activists have changed their mind.

[@avarion9538]

They love to insult and blame gamers for their failures. They should grow up and take responsibility finally! Shame on them! 🙂

[@awsome182]

In DA:I, I think they handled it wonderfully with Dorian. In his personal quest when he meets his father, he has his "coming out" infront of the Player/MC. But instead of saying modern words like "I'm gay" or "I'm homosexual" which would be massively immersion breaking and don't fit into a mediaeval fantasy setting, he simply says "I prefer the company of men". Homosexuality obviously existed in (real) mediaeval times (while forbidden and punishable), but people didn't call it being "gay" or "lesbian". The wording "I prefer the company of [___]" is not immersion breaking at all. And no body complained about Dorian in DA:I. I think the entire game DA:I is quite modern and "woke" in the looser srnse of the word. We have pretty much a matriarchy and many women in leading roles, and we have homosexual and bisexual characters. But nothing feels forced or preachy.

[@Kettun]

I really hoped that the team of writers could handle the setting with David Gaider leaving the studio. For 10 years I was hoping they would be fine :(

[@ashemrus]

Imo Dorian and Iron Bull were bad examples in DA:I for ingame lore reasons. But there were Sera and Cullen who were just perfect as LGBT especially from ingame lore perspective.

[@awsome182]

@@ashemrus Cullen? Cullen is strictly a heterosexual love interest. Also exclusively for human and elvish female characters.

[@patteri90]

@@ashemrus You'll have to elaborate with Dorian. I agree that Bull is a mess lorewise.

[@ashemrus]

@@patteri90 Dorian is basically Kwisatz Haderach of DA. He is perfect in every way his "bene hesserit" predecessors want him to be. One of things they would have definitely put in his genes is desire to breed with women a lot to produce even more perfect super mages. So him been homo is completely anti-lore. If he was hyperactive bi (like bull was) that would be fine and make sense, but him being specifically gay is absolute mess

[@captainroyy21]

Origins: OMG this is so epic, I want to replay it the moment I'm done! 2: This is ok, but not quite what I had hoped for. Inquisition: Nope, this aint DA, smh. Veilguard: Wtf is this monstrosity???

[@metatronyt]

I'd probably be harsher on DA2 than you but in general, I agree.

[@BoondockRoberts]

I enjoy DA2 to this day but I do mod the hell out of it and I enjoy the voicework of female Hawk and the dynamic of having rivalry relationships if I so choose.

[@HakuQ99]

So you dont like 3 of 4 games, why you even bother your self about this game?

[@sol-hunter2332]

I enjoy DA2 a lot, despite all its flaws. Inquisition was fairly eh to me, tho I might give it another try after veilguard. I wanted to accept veilguard as a meh game, but consistently it makes me upset. I did a full read of the story line, and I really hate everything he did with the story.

[@gurugurumawaru7869]

​@@HakuQ99Coz DA Origins is a great game? I mean, look at how far the mighty had fallen.

[@Sonicstillpoint83]

5:45 “ I like how it feels when I imagine myself that way.” I’m honestly surprised to hear them admit that it is not their identity but a fetish in the same way that someone else might like silk, leather or an aggressive personally. They go on to double down on feelings, followed by not fitting in or not being whatever their own faults conceptions are of what it means to be masculine or feminine, and then reiterate that they are not that. Ironic that the people who obsess over sex have no actual idea regarding the essence of femininity or masculinity.

[@secretname2670]

it was always about fetishes lol, that's why everyone's calling these weirdos out

[@AmirDarkOne]

i treat my money like Thor's hammer unworthy can't carry it. i refuse to pay people who hate me because of color of my skin and sexuality.

[@spyrofrost9158]

I wish my money came back to me when I threw it at something.

[@Sonofsun.]

Or normal beliefs

[@Xs2865]

Why do you feel like people hate you because of your skin colour and sexuality? You sound like a snowflake

[@JS-wp4gs]

Sounds an awful lot like projection

[@Xs2865]

@@AmirDarkOne do you really think people hate you because of the colour of your skin or sexuality really?

[@maxirhyme]

How is this game diverse? Everyone is a liberal californian in this game

[@Jack_the_Rizzler69]

It's so weird seeing African elves suddenly. What are they smoking

[@aistisnarmontas4515]

As Dragon Age fan I'm heartbroken. The original game lore is so rich and interesting world is vibrant full of history and potential. If only studio with adequate developers could have worked on a project... Imagine : Dark fantasy Ganre. You venturing into empire where magic is dominant and blood magic is not as taboo like in other lands. Sacrifices, channeling with spirits from a fade and having deals with demons made. What a game could that be! You got darkspawn original designs that are being experimented on that looks even more hidious. And your character walks on a think blade balancing between order and madness. Where to reach a goal there's sometimes no 'good' solutions. Where you could be cruel for just to achieve your goals. Damn... You could make deal with demons, slay innocents, do morally questionable acts to 'save the world', or you could try your best and pay the price in the end. Still tho, you have freedom and whatever you do it is your choice! - No, there's a linear story with Ugly women, transgender scars, forced lectured about misgendering, lame dialog and theme fit for Disney. If people call it dark fantasy I do not believe they ever went beyond their room into a world.

[@HakuQ99]

As Dragon Age fan i disagree, This part expands the lore most and explains the strange decisions from the previous parts. Dragon Age has always been about social issues, if you don’t see it, you’re blind. And the game has choices that are morally questionable. But of course better to cry than try.

[@ΕυαγγελοςΠαπαθεοδωρου]

​@@HakuQ99 Feck off the first game literally allowed you to sell your newlywed friend off to be graped. This game doesn't even let you call someone an idiot.

[@Kanikanihia]

Play DnD. Dragon Gae is basically DnD homebrew because they couldn’t get the rights for it at the time. Better yet, try Baldur’s Gate, which is actual DnD and though it has its flaws, it’s way better than this trash.

[@TheKetina]

Wow, you are so right! I did not think about it this way and now you've made me miss a game I can never play...

[@aistisnarmontas4515]

@@HakuQ99 Well pretty much every single game what is listed as 'RPG' have social issues going. The very being of any kind of story arc equals A Hero a Villain, a journey and a struggle. So no idea why anyone would suggest that this game does not have that. The problem for me is simple : How they establish a world and create a game, and by every new installment devs keeps uprooting the whole concept just to fit social agenda of modern politics. The writting is simply lazy and the lore simply disconnects what makes world not believable. If just simply 1, 2, 3 games would be happening in alternative realities not on the same timeline. Let's talk facts. DaO had Qunari Sten. Who was a Giant Silent type. You go into a fade doing his quest. All Qunari's had no horns and weren't treated as outcasts. DaII we get Qunari that all of them have Horns! Every one of them and concept looks way too unrealistic to even fit Qunaris seen from First game. Where's explanation? - Ahh Sten was only hornless Qunari there. That's explanation! Even if you check characters design it simply does not fit the story nor world which was established. Then DaI They made Qunari gay instead of being militaristic how they were known to be. And devs removed the manner they speak and interract. Now they made one Non-Binary that is self absorbed about activism agenda. Instead of retaining original vibe how it is not an issue and never was in society. And what's with this feeling that The cruelest Empire a Tevinter feels like some sort of Disneyland? Compared to Fereldan? If you see no issues maybe you are blind yourself. There must be continuity, the links in a chain should be consistent. Not like you change pretty much everything and keep telling people is same world. It is like a ship when you keep changing things that in the end you cannot recognise it, but yet you get people claiming that is a same vessel. Im simply sad that Franchise that had best potential to be a greatest game of decade got wasted. I want to enjoy game, have all freedoms to choose have freedom to explore world and 'enjoy a journey' not suffer through lectures of political activists. The games used to be made for people to escape a reality and you get even here some activists showelling their political agendas down on you. The mods should be able to fix it but knowing EA I doubt it so... :/

[@TheHamsterfist]

Just having gay characters doesn’t make things woke. So I hate when people strawman that to mean DA was always woke or modern political. No. No like Veilguard.

[@micheal5973]

Darkspawn don’t care about your pronouns. If it bleeds it breeds. At least back in the good old days….

[@Christina-J.94]

the broodmother storyline definitely wouldn't have happened today :p Great storyline, absolutely terrifying in the best way

[@TGPDrunknHick]

@@Christina-J.94 If it bleeds or if it breeds!

[@Sekir80]

Hmmmmmm, this gave me a good idea! What if we create a darkspawn that rejects non-binary people, as it can't get a grasp on them, rendering our hero's identity a crucial point in the story? Nah, scratch that :D

[@jacobe2995]

the problem with any video covering this topic is I can't stand hearing the dialog in this game but you kinda have to play the dialog to cover it. it's physically painful for me.

[@Maesterful]

Just pretend you work at a mental hospital and are overhearing these mad convoys

[@dominic.h.3363]

I couldn't care less who is what, my opinion begins and ends at: affiliation is not personality. Categorization is not characterization. Characters that are limited to talking about themselves, whose perspective of reality ends up dominating their dialogue, make them seem egotistical and self-centered. Me, me, me. Obnoxious. Unlikeable.

[@johannjohann6523]

This is a quote from the game by Taasch the "Dragonslayer" whose job is to kill dragons. Which she does quite regularly. " It is such a stupid name Dragon King. Dragons would not have Kings. They would have Queens." Every Dragon the characters come across they kill the Dragon. So one can only surmise all Dragons are female, and the characters are killing the dragons because they are "Queens" and are "female". Talk about terrible story writing. I'm totally bummed out every dragon gets killed and there are no "good Dragons" in Dragon Age. I always root for the monsters in games and movies. Naturally far too often I'm disappointed as everyone has to kill the monster or Dragon. duh.

[@snailswrath]

I think Metatron would stop "the politics" if the politics stopped infiltrating history. We all need to gatekeep our hobbies and insterests against those who wish to ruin it. "But that means you turn away people who wants to engage with it" No, no it does not.

[@alexsamurai1230]

I think its deliberate they used Isabella for this - her DA2 model was often called out by the feminist types for being buxom and male-gazey. What better than to get rid of the boobs and ass, and have her lecture you about pronouns?

[@rsick266]

This. I imagine they felt so satisfied when they ruined her character.

[@GreatSageSunWukong]

Hello I'm a feminist, we hate this game and what its done, I have no idea what you are talking about, I am on multiple feminist forums we didn't say anything about her, we are doing so now because of the mess they have made.

[@alexsamurai1230]

@@GreatSageSunWukong My presumption is that the sort of people that would rail against Isabela for being an oversexualised male fantasy would call themselves feminists - apologies if this does not include you or your community, I may have been over-general in my use of the word.

[@spiderlily723]

@@alexsamurai1230 And just because a bigot calls themselves 'Christian' has fuck all bearing on whether they actualy act Christianly.

[@GreatSageSunWukong]

@@alexsamurai1230 Theres a lot of fakes and they call the real ones terfs.

[@MirZee]

This feels like a parody or a joke. Please not my favourite game.

[@olafgurke4699]

*Insert the man at the gallow meme* "First time?"

[@ClannerJake]

My lane is the world when someone who knows the physics of woven fabric tells me it has the filtering properties of nonwoven fabric and nobody is in trouble for that.

[@avarion9538]

Imo punishing yourself for "misgendering" someone is masochistic and sick! These people are insane!

[@MGC-XIII]

Then you didn't pay attention, she said that they do pushups instead of saying sorry, this has nothing to do with misgendering. However she felt sorry for doing it and instead of saying sorry she does pushups because she believes it shows that you are actually sorry. At no point did the non-binary character pipe up or demand that she do pushups.

[@trattogatto]

@@MGC-XIII Irrelevant details. The ritual of humiliation was very intentional by who wrote this slimy scene. Total garbage.

[@MGC-XIII]

@@trattogatto I think that is your bias shining through. I personally didn't feel it came off that way.

[@Las3r_Cat]

​@@MGC-XIII they use the excuse of "just saying sorry a lot ends up making the apology about you," but doing something outlandish and explaining it all the while quite literally makes the apology all about yourself.

[@MGC-XIII]

@@Las3r_Cat you are not wrong there, most people apologize for their own sake, not a lot of people are truly altruistic. Like being good because you're afraid of hell is selfish as fuck.

[@MWBalls]

Veilguard is not a video game. Its an intersectional propaganda delivery device wrapped up in weapons grade zoomer cringe.

[@Jack_the_Rizzler69]

Taash even says things like "they go hard". It's soooo dumb

[@doubt2022]

Dragon Age has been cut open with all of the insides removed and incinerated, only for its skin to be used as an activist sock puppet.

[@barry-allenthe-flash8396]

The revelation at the end there that "Current Year Bioware" are now moving onto ruining Mass Effect is depressing, but remember, ex-Bioware staffers left years ago to form or join other studios. Of note, Archetype Entertainment, who are working on "Exodus" (appropriately named, eh?), which is basically a new Mass Effect. Just play that instead! We'll have a good alternative in that case!

[@Machamp537]

Dragon Age Origins is one of my favorite games along with KOTOR mass effect 1 and 2. I'm am officially boycotting Bioware until there's an apology statement for this horror.

[@zachariahmousa7652]

Bioware used to be the undisputed masters of RPG storytelling in the late 90's and early 2000's. Their writing ability, narrative direction, and world building were second to none. I played it all; Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Knights of the Old Republic, ect. My Xbox achievements and library reflect this. Please believe me when I say, Bioware was my favorite developer. Whatever Veilguard is, it is not Dragon Age, and it not Bioware. The writing is awful, the dialogue is cringe inducing, the art style is childish, and the lack of the Dragon Age Keep is insulting. Bioware, as we knew it, is now dead. What remains is a parasite that has killed its host and now masquerades about piloting the corpse of a once magnificent studio. Someone please, just put the company out of its misery.

[@GreatSageSunWukong]

Their 2 top writers are no longer with the company

[@zachariahmousa7652]

@GreatSageSunWukong Writers are definitely important, but that isn't everything. Company culture and values are just as important, if not more important, than writing talent. A bad work place culture can prevent truly gifted talent from joining you. It can force out people whom you don't agree with. Many of your employees will simply do the bare minimum and keep their heads down just to avoid being on the chopping block. I don't see a lack of talent at Bioware. I see a suppression of it. I see people that are in charge making decisions based on marketing strategies and social commentary. This does not lead to good writing, good dialogue, tone consistency, an engaging plot, or fleshed out world building. Veilguard is the result of poor decisions starting all the way at the top and working it's way down the corporate ladder. They cared more about activism than appealing to their core audience, and it shows.

[@DRKLRD-kv4cm]

No, no. Remember, this Is the best BioWare ever.

[@Jonathan-ic9ef]

Dragon Age: Veilguard wasn't made to change minds, it was made to preach to a choir. The art of subtle commentary in fiction died a long time ago.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

I wish that were true. But the juvenile dialogue and weird, Disneyfied design makes me suspect it's intended to preach to children (yeah it's "MA" but that never stopped kids from playing games they want; and the Dragon Age name carries great appeal). Corinne Busche's dream is probably a world where HR makes people "pull a Bharv" for using an unwanted pronoun.

[@Dakkard]

Dragon Age: Origins was so subtle that most of us ended up losing our virginity to Zevran, I'd imagine.

[@RachelRichards]

I just want a proper sequel to Dragon Age Origins. I want my character to be able to be a jerk and hurt people's feelings like in KOTOR or Fallout New Vegas.

[@SageOfLimitlessHands]

Inquistion is right there.

[@RachelRichards]

@SageOfLimitlessHands - Inquisition is garbage, in my opinion. I truly did not like that game.

[@SageOfLimitlessHands]

@RachelRichards I mean fair enough I guess.

[@Fredo_StarRunner]

I limited my interaction with Taash to only the quest you are REQUIRED to do in order to recruit her. I have not interacted with her in any way after that. Thought I could avoid all the BS. You cannot. Taash will ALWAYS bring up being non-binary even without player involvement. I seriously no longer feel like playing it anymore.

[@Jack_the_Rizzler69]

Companions when bantering with each other will call Taash by the made up pronouns before the whole thing even happened.

[@Chowdizzle]

Oh my god the Dragon Age MKGA bit was so hilarious lmao. Great example.

[@HyperZergling]

I nearly spat out my cereal especially with how dry his delivery was

[@13thMaiden]

Honestly would play it if it was an indie cause it sounds hilarious as hell.

[@donthepsycho2018]

22:48 I'm not ready to see Liara transition 😞

[@IndraKatiK]

That MKGA example is SPOT ON! I'd be equally annoyed

[@vinterkriger]

same

[@rodneydelboy6910]

Inquisiton was woke but bearable but this game is just sad and promoting mental illness.

[@Factboy12]

This is what's sad. It really is promoting mental illness. It's complete madness.

[@VeneDee]

Games should be for fun, not as a brainwashing machine

[@Factboy12]

It is madness. Hopefully Trump will end it. I heard he was going to pass a bill recognizing that the only two genders in America are male & female.

[@invidatauro8922]

5:18 Seriously though. This is just a massive pain in the ass to explain to people. If they can't tell the difference between games like Bioshock, Deus Ex, and the older Dragon Age games and these new schlock, they can't be helped.

[@pedrofelipefreitas2666]

Even though the political messaging is annoying and takes you out of the story completely, it's not even the worse part of the game, the writing is bad, the characters are shallow, the graphics, even though technically good, are souless, the art direction is mediocre, and the gameplay is generic. Of course, DEI is part of the reason for all of these issues. Instead of getting the best people for the job (which in gaming means a combo of technical ability, synergy with the tone of the game, and interest in the project) they hire more diverse staff to raise their ESG score.

[@cipherstormwolf14]

They "raise their ESG score" that is why we will see more until the source of that is gone.

[@Constellasian]

Some KZbinrs said that Taash was a self insert of one of the radical activists involved in developing this game. What I found most ridiculous with the identity politics shoved in was how even Taash made mistakes with her pronoun. "She" didn't always use "they/them" or "us" to refer to herself at times. Taash referred to herself as "me" or "I". Shouldn't she be doing push ups for those mistakes based on the logic of this game?

[@Captainmubz]

She's also a massive hypocrite. She wants people to refer to her as her correct pronouns but she constantly calls another companion by something he doesn't want to be called. There's a companion called Emrich who Taash constantly refers to as "Death Mage" to the point where Emrich even asks her to stop and call him by his actual name and her response to that is "Why? You are a necromancer".

[@mawortz]

we all know Dragon Age MKGA would have sold much better than veilguard 😂😂😂

[@markuskarl9531]

It would also fit the setting a lot more

[@kylejolly7751]

Okay as a Dragon Age fan there's a lot to say. 1. Why would they include transition scars let alone force you to choose a transgender character when stuff like blood magic exists where one could simply change sex (Blood magic is not even mentioned in Veilgaurd). 2. They basterdised a lot of characters including Varik who you can now romance despite being a Faithfull husband. Solas is an idiot now, the one that did that huge pointless apology was supposed to be a badass who did not care about what anyone thought or said in the previous games. 3. They treat the player like a toddler playing their first game and hold your hand way too tightly. 4. The characters are the ugliest they have ever been. 5. Dialogue sucks and it's very hard to engage with. 6. They retcon or destroy entire story threads to fit more gender politics wherever and however they can. The only way I would accept any kind of politics is if that's what's on the tin so it's to be expected, it makes sense and is withing the theming of the game world and if it genuinely makes it better, veilgaurd is none of those things. Then finally if it wasn't going to be Dragon Age game then it should not have been called one and be its own thing. If that was then it would not have been nearly as negatively received. Still sucks majority but then more quickly forgotten. But, since companies seem to love retreading on beloved IPs to capitalise on it before completely destroying it they can all fuck themselves.

[@WastingSanityGR]

Starfield had woke in a lot of the quest/stories. It was more subtle but it was there. Besides the character creator issues, here is a list of some of the issues I saw. -All the companions are bi sexual, others say that the companions are player sexual but the characters are established thus so is their preferences. -There are no real platonic relationships, at some point all of the companions will greet the player in an awkward more than friends verbal greeting. -There are hardly any white people in the game. It will become blatantly obvious if the player focuses on the quests instead of exploring the universe. -The white people that the player encounters tend to be one, some or all of the following: corrupt, dirty, the villain, idiot, etc. -A lot of girl bosses. If the woman is not in charge, she will be second in command. -Female clone who was originally a male. The strange part about this is that they made the original a war criminal that killed civilians. Not sure what is being implied here, but it almost felt like this would be similar to a WWII German General being cloned into a woman. Just odd. The politics are clearly a man can be a woman and vice versa. I ended up skipping the rest of the story as I got bored. The only fun thing about the game was the basic stuff like combat and exploration. I do agree... we welcomed them into the fold and now they are trying to push us out. It doesn't work that way.

[@knightshiba7544]

Political messaging in games is good and fun, just look at Bioshock and Fallout New Vegas. Difference between political messaging is the heavy handed virtue signaling that doesn't feel properly contextualized within the setting and present story. If its too obvious and too clear, like using the actual word "transgender" in a fantasy medieval setting, it feels off because its just reminiscent of our real world. If Veilguard dealt with this in more subtle, artistic, considerate ways, the ""Wokeness"" Wouldn't be a problem. Just check out Dragon Age Inquisition. It dealt with it near perfectly when tackling subjects of inclusivity, equality and sexuality. So so so much better. That is exactly why Veilguard is so brutally disappointing to me. The lack of subtext in addressing real world topics and attitudes completely destroy immersion.

[@Jack_the_Rizzler69]

Even then they can never be subtle. And it would be way too obvious because they will always have to announce it online and show people how they own the bigots

[@jmlaw8888]

Fallout: New Vegas is deeply political yes but not in the real world current day sense. If someone attempts to translate its politics into our world other people would think that person is extremely odd. People on the left have lied in recent times about "entertainment was always political" as an excuse for real world allegory. It used to be about imaginary politics and that has both broad appeal to ordinary people and also safely ignored by others who arent interested. Todays real world politics in game has extreme minority appeal and insults and annoys non-fans. A perfect recipe for disaster.

[@olafgurke4699]

I mean, in a way every work of fiction covers political topics in any way, shape or form, because it was borne from human minds grappling with such topics. However, for the longest time, these political topics were abstracted to their core and then reassembled in a fictious dress. Nowadays, they take current day political talking points, spray paint it with the colours of a given franchise and call it a day. One is political messaging, the other is political propaganda. As you say, if they had done it skillfully and tastefully, with a focus on quality, only few hardliners would complain - as has been with the previous DA titles. But alas, this mess is what we've got.

[@secretname2670]

"IT IS BAD IF THE POLITICS ARE NOT CONTAINED WITHIN THE UNIVERSE" wasn't loud enough in the video? I am sure metatron never said that politics should not be in games at all, ever.

[@sragonlast5723]

Irony she hate being a woman but acts like a woman

[@lumenox8541]

It's just *actual* internalized misogyny. They view women as inferior, men as superior. Why wouldn't you want to be categorized closer to a man in that sense?

[@rumigraciea8216]

Also does not respect other's identity. She is insistent on her pronoun (what she want to be called) yet does not respect what other want to be called or their identity . Like that death mage or something. She keep referring to him with slurs. She is a hypocrite who does not practice what she speak.

[@kurt-j8s]

@@rumigraciea8216 so she's a leftwinger with a moral superiority complex and no care, interest or respect for anyone outside her own bubble? Yes, absolutely perfect for a fantasy game.

[@Dharengo]

Oh so I'm not the only one seeing this.

[@helmaschine1885]

Non binaries and transmen have a lot of internalized misogyny. That or they have some kind of trauma making them try to escape woman hood.

[@HotHeadGio-y5t]

3:08 Thank you for pointing out that both extremes are cancer.

[@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it]

the writing in this game is worse than any CW tv show. even SCI-FI CYBERPUNK didnt use pronouns and cyberpunk is the most fitting for these kind of "problems". also qunari design is horrendous. from majestic proud serious looking race to laughable comic con marvel cosplay looking race. i love baldurs gate 3. almost perfect game and guess what. that game ALSO is inclusive. cyberpunk is inclusive. mass effect is inclusive. none of these games have as bad writing and dialogues as this pile of shit

[@night6724]

Qunari went from black guys to demons to Darkness form Legend to dolls with a growth coming from their forehead

[@Matheusss89]

I love how when you try to create a realistic medieval setting without all the modern ideas, they will scream and call you names because "it's fantasy, you incel." Now, when they make a game, it's medieval california or nothing.

[@LicvinTrol]

3:59 I would've played this game, it sounds hilarious.🤣

[@rakmodslyr7459]

We respectfully request that such a game be made considering the current situation.😂

[@markuskarl9531]

Honestly we need this kind of game as a parody and countermovement just to show how absurd the current situation actually is. If one side is allowed push stupid propaganda then both sides should be allowed to do so