Debunking Gun Defence Videos On YT. STOP These Videos!

[@destinytroll1374]

Some of the best fighting advice I've ever heard from the Metatron today "the other guy, he's not going to behave" lol

[@talosvalcoran8730]

@Jo Jo Most underrated comment of the day!

[@marcogenovesi8570]

muggers are rude and uncivilized

[@dereksalazar9695]

Let me just point out that Krav Maga is not at like that in the first video I can personally say that Krav Maga is useful in certain aspects although the first video with it was completely false I highly doubt that person is actually certified to teach Krav Maga

[@TzarBomb]

Probably not, the other guy will most likely shot you three to four times before you complete your little stunt.

[@baltar9999]

The problem is identifying the situation in a split-second

[@Ilex1]

When I was in the army, we trained on how to handle POW's. They were quite adamant that if the prisoners were unrestrained to never get within arms reach of them. That is one of the most basic rules of using a firearm to subdue a person.

[@dustinakadustin]

Also I imagine POW's are desperate so will behave more recklessly?

[@Ilex1]

@@dustinakadustin One imagines. However, the only, very limited, experience I had with POWs was in Gulf I and those guys seemed to be pretty docile. I think they were more interested in a hot meal than killing. I never encountered any of the Republican Guard guys, but the run of the mill Iraqi soldier was not spoiling for a fight. The French Foregin Legion guys that were moving them were some pretty brutal bastards though.

[@Darklight689]

Or to introduce them to the butt or muzzle of your rifle. Until I was in the army it didn’t occur to me to thrust the muzzle into their chest without a bayonet or anything

[@takedakiwi]

@@dustinakadustin No, POWs will be the least desparate- they are not being robbed!

[@IHateUniqueUsernames]

Why would you ever close into melee distance when using a ranged weapon? Even total noob should know you get attack penalties at the very least.

[@duroprem]

There's a reason why none of these demonstrations are done with something like an airsoft or a paintball gun. Because they'd end up very colorful by the end of the lesson.

[@MVK_GS]

Yes... and painful. One of my instructors had this drill that we did at the end of each class. He'd place a Berretta M9 with the Simmunition barrel adapter and loaded with two Simmunition rounds in it. Two of us would stand on opposite sides of the matt with the M9 on the matt, in the middle. When he said "go", the person who gained and retained the pistol got to shoot the other. You'd be hard pressed to see two more motivated combatants on a matt.

[@Marco-fi6gv]

Truth!😁

[@diegogatjens1728]

exactly, this is why I love guns and hate martial arts

[@UnknownOps]

It's more like, It'd begin with a KZbin watermark and then end up with a live leak logo.

[@botondhetyey159]

@@diegogatjens1728 check out hard2hurt. For a self defense context, you still need some grappling ability, or you won't even draw your weapon in a lot of cases.

[@xyxxyyxx]

As an actual Krav Maga instructor once told me: "If they have a gun, you give them what they want" (In self defense, not a military setting)

[@maxsignori7660]

Same here. First commandment is: always try to deescalate. Fight must be the very last resource.

[@yowtfputthemaskbackon9202]

see thats the issue, the french thought that also applies for the military

[@JP-vj7fp]

@@yowtfputthemaskbackon9202 You mean the French who went to war and conquered most of Europe at numerous times through history, and then went on to conquer parts of Africa, Asia, and North America?

[@ascendantfiction7220]

I’ve trained with the Krav Maga instructor in the first video he watched, and in class we were always told that as well. The gun defenses are only for situations where you suspect the person holding you up might shoot you anyway after robbing you. I do agree that posting the videos without that there too probably isn’t a good idea.

[@alexdryver5090]

I have to disagree this mentality is making yourself prey. On the level of personal self interest it is correct but if everyone is behaving this way then what is going to disincentives attacks. This is not a defense of the techniques shown.

[@LordAnestis]

When someone is pointing a gun at you, you feel like you lose the earth beneath you, you start to shake and sweat, you must be a very brave or very well-trained person to be calm and actually do something like disarming the gunman. Better not talk about when they start firing at you. So I agree with Metatron, just give them your wallet, you will probably lose 100$.

[@pipebombpete.6861]

What are they gonna do?take my money?ha,jokes on them,I have no money.

[@joeleek9976]

I didn't panic. I went completely cold. "I have a gun. Give me your wallet." Easy decision.

[@brasteen1]

As the KZbinr Ramsey Dewey mentioned several times in his experiences of being held at gunpoint. The assailant is generally never at point blank range but at a reasonable distance as a gun is a ranged weapon. You won't be able to do move in to do shit except get riddled with bullets. He survived all his encounters by simply giving the gunmen what they wanted (money) and they moved on. Only fight if you know for a fact they want you dead and even then your chances in that case are very low.

[@EvolvedParasite]

Good channel that, his critique of knife defense vids are great also.

[@Ravishrex1]

Like for Ramsey!

[@stevenhuffnagel]

He's a legend. Yes, his critique of defending against knives, and also his series on debunking so-called "women's self defence". :D Another good channel is Fight SCIENCE.

[@AndreasSweden]

What i love about Ramsey is that he actually take these self-defense "techniques" seriously and try them out until it's painfully obvious that it's garbage. And not to mention he seems to be a great guy too.

[@evandailey5110]

Much love to Ramsey Dewey. Honest man actually helping people.

[@TheCaniblcat]

A simple way to test if gun defense works: use a water gun as the weapon. If you get wet, that means you were shot and the defense didn't work.

[@MusikCabaret]

wouldnt work because the person holding the water gun is told to test it and consequently also expecting it as well.

[@ddd7386]

@@MusikCabaret it's the same on the street (in the real situation). A real robber with a gun has also in mind that some people can start to fight. So it is a light scenario, how you can test these nonsense "techniques".

[@Jebu911]

@@MusikCabaret True people are making a lot of stupid points here in the comments. Also in krav maga you are pretty much supposed to kill the attacker so hard to test that on a willing target.

[@farkasmactavish]

@@Jebu911 Buddy, you can pull your punches in partner drills.

[@Jebu911]

@@farkasmactavish for muscle memory training sure. Not sure how you pull your punches in a life or death situation but you do you. Im just saying the watergun example just doesnt work.

[@factsoftheconfederacy7151]

Oh God, I’m a instructor certified Gun owner and this is cringe.

[@John2r1]

I'm a military trained gun owner and this makes me wonder just how stupid is our society becoming that over a million people would watch this let alone try it.

[@factsoftheconfederacy7151]

@@John2r1 Not enough Darwin awards I suppose

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

Man. Imagine if someone used all this "advice". Tragedy onbound.

[@chuckdarwin6887]

I'm an instructor and its going to get people killed.

[@jasondreamboat9552]

@@factsoftheconfederacy7151 what do you think of these techniques? kzbin.infofxyEvgteUng?feature=share Thanks in advance

[@eldorados_lost_searcher]

"I'm the protagonist..." Ah, the advantages of knowing that you're the sidekick, so you know not to push your luck.

[@Rikky999]

A protagonist is a lead character, not a sidekick.

[@iitim2152]

You know there is a handful of gun disarms that have historically "worked". I know this because for fun I've drilled them with loaded airsoft guns. This stuff is crap and requires compliance. The ones that " work" requires high to very high reflex speeds, the kind an average person won't have, the kind the older version of me no longer has. The reality is that in most situations where a gun is drawn the assailant won't draw that close, and or won't hold the gun as expected, so even a "functional" disarm is near useless and not worth keeping in your arsenal.

[@achowdhury47]

Hmm name checks out

[@JSchaffer214]

@@achowdhury47 Really? When I started digging around I kept seeing the name 'Bruce Wayne'. Apparently Mr. Wayne is a well known socialite who got rich off his dead parents. From interviews of him that I've read and seen, he seems to be fairly conceited as well. Not sure who this "Batman" character is though.

[@diegogatjens1728]

Reminder: a 15yo scrawny kid armed with a knife can pretty much murder 90% of all professinal martial artists. Buy guns.

[@chocov1233]

@@diegogatjens1728 Or a knife. According to you knife beats fists 90% of the time.

[@diegogatjens1728]

@@chocov1233 not according to me, according to all self defense videos there is no real tested method to disarm a knife wielder, even for trained martial artists.

[@nurse425]

The title of these vids SHOULD'VE been: "How to DIE in a gunfight"!

[@magister.mortran]

As long as you haven't already experienced it (i.e. died in a gun fight), your advice would still be worthless.

[@RorikH]

@@magister.mortran So only if the teachers are Buddhists, got it!

[@Aaron-is8yt]

Sounds good. I think a few people I know should watch this

[@Col_Mustard]

Is it still a gunfight if only the mugger has a gun?

[@edi9892]

No. How to get shot...

[@RoninDave]

The best defense is to go into a Matrix pose slowing time down as you effortlessly dodge bullets or if you are armed with twin katana swing them fast to deflect the bullets.

[@eyeballpapercut4400]

I give you two options: You take the schizo pills on my right palm, you live better. You take the flakka pills on my left palm, I live better.

[@UTU49]

Ronin. I'm writing that down. That's good stuff. 😐

[@andrewstambaugh240]

Even Neo got shot doing that!

[@Overonator]

That dude should try those moves against a paintball gun against a fully resisting opponent.

[@Jebu911]

To be fair you cant really show how krav maga works in practice too well as you are supposed to kill your attacker with it in a real situation. Krav maga isn't about fancy kicks to the head its about kicking in the balls and shoving your fingers deep into the attackers eyesockets.

[@Overonator]

@@Jebu911 He can wear goggles and a jock strap.

[@rc59191]

Those tests have been done on National Geographic with a guy using a gun with simunition and he was able to disarm him before getting a shot off multiple times.

[@Overonator]

@@rc59191 I say it's a low probability thing

[@rc59191]

@@Overonator if you practice multiple scenarios enough times I'd say you have a good chance of pulling it off in the real world if the opportunity presents itself.

[@James-lg1mh]

Real life situation number three: Your mugger's asleep, in his own bed, and he's mugging you.

[@rosiej.1473]

I believe those are called kids. :)

[@IvanStalkerson]

I did Krav Maga for about 3 years myself. One thing all my trainers always stressed was that if someone held you at gun or knifepoint asking for your money... Just give it to them. The techniques we were taught were worst case scenarios, and there was a heavy emphasis on preventing such situations from occurring (through situational awareness for example) and de-escalation or just straight up gtfo. For gun defense, we were taught to grab the barrel, block the wrist with the other hand, and twist the gun upwards, out of the hand. An important disclaimer was that the gun was likely to go off and that you'd be lucky if it didn't hit you, and even still would be lucky if it only grazed your skull. I feel like context like that is incredibly important to give with techniques such as this

[@Right-Is-Right]

What is hilarious is it is supposed to be a self defence course by an armed force and trhey do not teach about using weapons yourself, when in reality it would be, take cover, fire until threat no longer is present.

[@fireblade295]

@@Right-Is-Right Exactly. You never wanna be outside unarmed, unless you know EXACTLY who you'll meet.

[@ravenlord4]

Mugger "gimme all your money!" Me "ah yeah, you're going to need to hold that gun higher and bring it closer -- right at my forehead. Now loosen your grip on a bit. ok very good! Now let's try that again."

[@Dragonmoon98]

Mugger: "...Wow, are you serious? You know what, I don't want your money anymore..." *cue middle finger*

[@andregon4366]

Mugger: "gimme all your money" Me: "Will 4.10€ do?" Yeah, I'm poor.

[@bruschetta7711]

@@andregon4366 i don't think they would go in any trouble to kill you just because they haven't got much money, i hope

[@andregon4366]

@@bruschetta7711 I don't know, how many armed Karens are there robbing people? They may shoot me out of entitlement.

[@bruschetta7711]

@@andregon4366 sorry i meant if you haven't got much money But yeah i don't know what are the chances of being killed in a robbery

[@antonmayr6412]

I'd love to see them demonstrate this when being held at gunpoint by let's say a guy with an airsoft gun. They'd fail miserably. Not even talking about a remotely competent guy who keeps his distance so he can riddle you them bullets the second they try to pull some crazy stunt.

[@23AlexandreJ]

Airsoft player here. Tried it with a friend who has a black belt in karate. He managed to disarm me once or twice, but he's got a lot more of bbs bruises in his forehead xD

[@ElementsRook]

It's hilarious. Whole reason I ended up burning of $80 worth of simunitions was a dolt I casually knew was spouting off "I can disarm any gun dude if they are within 10 feet even if they have me at point" I offered to play along (used the kids aorsoft) and as predicted by my wife and his (now former) girlfriend it escalated. His trainer a week later asked if I was willing to suit up and go full contact. Wish we had bothered to use the body cams 😎

[@wyldeman100]

@@ElementsRook based

[@RJres]

As an idea for a followup video, I'd like to see Metatron and a friend could try these "techniques" with a water pistol to validate how how effective they really are. It would be entertaining to see him get a facefull or two of water, lol!!

[@23AlexandreJ]

@@RJres I wanna see a collab by metatron and skall or shad in which they beat the crap of each other to prove these points xD

[@tlilmiztli]

I'm living in Mexico. There are hundreds if not thousands examples that trying to be a hero gets you killed. It is one thing to say "I would do this or that to the dude that tries to rob me, but the reality is - if you have gun to the stomach (and it usually is stomach not some theatrical pose to the head, because they dont want people to notice that they are mugging somebody) all you can do is give them what they want and hope for the best. Its a real life, not some action movie. Youre not Rambo, they are heartless, determined thugs who dont care about you at all AND WILL PULL THE TRIGGER if they dont like whats going on. The only instance I would try to run for my life would be attempt at kidnapping me because if you get kidnapped it will only worsen with time, you can get tortured, mutilated etc. You might as well try your luck early on. But also - try to RUN not make some comic book hero moves... Also - remember that muggers very rarely work alone. This is some another fantasy from the beginning to the end. One of the most common situation is team of two muggers, both armed in some sort of weapon, usually one is driving the bike to allow fast escape from the scene. Be REAL about that situations, your life is on the line. Having gun to your gut is not the time for ego trip and hero moves.

[@benjaminwatt2469]

My wife is from Mexico City and she has always told me, if mugged you hand them the money, its not worth dying for. being a hard headed American i disagree, i'm pulling a Batmen on that guy

[@arx3516]

The best thing to do is to give the wallet to the mugger and wait until he leaves, once he has turned his back you draw your own gun and shoot him dead,and then you retrieve your wallet! XD

[@benjaminwatt2469]

@@arx3516 nice, as a texan i approve

[@tlilmiztli]

@@benjaminwatt2469 You do with your guts as you are pleased. Good luck with the cape and batarang! ;)

[@tlilmiztli]

​@@arx3516 Since its all fantasy why to limit yourself? Lets go! "I would roundhouse kick his gun from his hand, take out my own Magnum 45 and ask him "do you feel lucky, punk?!" :D Everything is easy in the internet comment :D

[@kski113]

When I was in the military I received some brief training about how to disarm someone. One thing these videos seem to be lacking is what you should be doing BEFORE you attempt to disarm someone. You want to prep for your move as much as you can so that you can make it as fast as you can, and you don't want to give away your intentions so you can take your assailant by surprise. That was one of the biggest take-aways I got from my training, what you do before you attempt to disarm someone is very important, because surprise and speed are the keys to success. But you also need to be able to recognize in what situations disarming an assailant is the right path to take.

[@starwarsman70]

I studied a south Chinese form of Kung Fu in my teens, which had a focus on conflict resolution and self defence. One of the first things they taught us was "give them your phone, give them your wallet. You aren't in action film."

[@nurse425]

I hope at least ONE person watches this and realizes gun defense is, for the most part, NOT A THING! It's NOT like the movies! As my instructor always told me: "If someone pulls a gun, give them what they want"! The ONLY circumstance in which fighting back should be an option is, if you know in your heart that no matter WHAT you do this person is gonna shoot you, than try to defend yourself!

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

The only way to defend from a gun is having a gun yourself, the right position, and being faster. Now. Here is the trick. Instead of just giving them what they want, give them a decoy, make sure you ate at a safe distance, and once the guy lowers his guard, attack with lethal force. Preferably armed.

[@vanivanov9571]

That's vague advice. Better advice is to look for opportunities versus the risks. EX: Some criminals are so dumb, they put their guns down on the counter while bagging the money... so it's obvious in that case that taking the gun is less dangerous than letting it get back into a robber's hands.

[@matninja123]

FACTS

[@Athalfuns]

@@vanivanov9571 Yeah, in a stressing and in a life-and-death situation you're certainly gonna go sherlock holmes super calculus inside monologue over what are your options. Unless you're living like this on a daily basis, which fortunately for most people with access to youtube do not, that won't happen. You'll end up dead instead.

[@vanivanov9571]

​@@Athalfuns Setting the bar at, "I will be useless at the time, and don't intend to change this," does tend to have that effect, yes. That's why it's a good idea to think about the scenarios, and do some study. Check out First Person Defender and Active Self Protection, they're pretty decent on advice and showing the scenarios one might face.

[@bdk336]

There are two times I've been taught techniques for dealing with a gun at point blank range. Both times my instructors first emphasized very hard that the first defense is to give the person what they want and you should only defend yourself if you're sure you're going to be shot anyway. Both times the techniques also included a set up to create the element of surprise and shorten the amount of movement required. Both times the instructor emphasized that both the technique and the follow up had to be extremely fast an violent. The follow up on both involved attacking the wielder with the intent to cause potentially lethal harm on the assumption that you might be able to briefly control the gun but not necessarily disarm the wielder. The only thing that these videos share with those lessons is the assumption that the gun is going to go off. On a side note neither of those techniques would work if you were facing away from the gun wielder for pretty obvious reasons.

[@littlekong7685]

But in TV spinning ALWAYS works /s Seriously, I knew a US Marine combat veteran, served 2 tours before retiring with distinction. He was robbed by handgun outside a bar one night. He gave over his wallet and said he regretted nothing, he has seen first hand what a handgun can do to a person and how fast it can do a LOT of damage, and he didn't want that damage to be on him. The money wasn't worth his life, and he wasn't going to risk MAYBE killing or disarming the robber if it meant a 1/10 chance of his getting shot at the same time. He 100% could have killed the robber, and he could have died doing it, but it was only money and cards.

[@Marinealver]

Don't be in front of the barrel when it shoots.

[@wendigo1619]

I was trained to disarm weapons (such as firearms) while in the forces and i can say from experience with resistance from some pretty strong guys its incredibly hard to pull off... luckily the only time i had to actually do it the guys gun jammed

[@mathy4605]

There’s a lesson to be learned here. Arm your enemy with Taurus pistols.

[@mysite1012]

@@mathy4605 Nah, arm them with Hi points.

[@entropy11]

That's a thing, many bad guys have nonfunctional guns. You don't want to gamble on it, but it's something to keep in mind.

[@alexandruianu8432]

@@mysite1012 Nah, Hi Point pistols are actually reliable.

[@alvaroasi]

@@SimuLord I think Ian and Carl agree with you.

[@Jackstalkerfear]

"Dont be an idiot" - Dwight Schrute There all you need to know

[@Sylentmana]

Robber: "Your money or your life" Me with severe depression: "Why not both?"

[@Jebu911]

Reletable. Also makes me wonder if you would say life would they just take your life and leave your wallet untouched. I'd bet the asshole would also take my cash too.

[@jacktheripper5112]

@@Jebu911 here is a little story from my country im gonna tell ya, a guy was getting mugged in an alley by 2 dudes they took his phone, looked at it and saw it broken it was gave it back and told him "you got any money on ya" the guy said"i got abit of money not much" they just nodded and told him to go home yep they literally could not find anything valuable on him

[@_chew_]

@@Jebu911 If someone kills me they're welcome to take my money as payment for the service.

[@Sylentmana]

@Phoenix 𝙾𝚙𝚎𝚗 𝙼𝚢 PROFILE because of course my crippling depression is cringe to you.

[@john-paulsilke893]

What about a hug instead? 😳

[@RorikH]

Please do "Top 10 medieval armors to wear in a sketchy area", so I can really prepare.

[@ianhelyar6383]

ASPs Rules of stupid. Don't go stupid places at stupid times and do stupid things. So far, this has worked for me. I've only been bothered by a drunk on Monday afternoon...in other words, he was being stupid, not me, but nothing works 100% of the time.

[@DvNezarto]

Plate carrier, kevlar helmet, nods on the helmet and a decked out AR

[@DvNezarto]

@àsper the us is a dumpster fire on the verge of complete and utter collapse, or on the verge of a total woke tyranny. Re education camps and all that stuff

[@DvNezarto]

@àsper different european countries have a chance for a brighter future. France, italy, poland etc. Germany and the uk are just as dead as the us. The us is going to get so much worse than europe will

[@JP-vj7fp]

@àsper The US is a horror show. Your guns aren’t worth shit. Europe is becoming shit precisely because it’s becoming more like America, and importing its own population of basketballers.

[@kingrichardiii6280]

Little kid: "HEY HEY! I LEARNED HOW TO DISARM SOMEONE WITH A GUN! WANNA SEE?" Older irresponsible cousin: "Sure let me get my paintball gun." Kid: "..."

[@marcogenovesi8570]

that cousin is saving the kid's life lol

[@snepping1885]

i shot my cousin like this with a nerf kek

[@darthplagueis13]

That cousin is being responsible by demonstrating why a lot of self-defense techniques suddenly stop working on an uncooperative target.

[@RomrotMechanikos]

little kid will get a welt on his forehead that will remind him to never trust everything you see on the internet. the cousin is actually being more responsible than you think.

[@Excalibur01]

As someone trained how to use guns....never try to draw your gun when a dude already has the drop on you. Especially if he's pointing at your face and has finger on the trigger. You wait for an opportunity if you can afford it

[@John2r1]

More like pay attention. Situational awareness is more important to defense than simply carrying a firearm.

[@dangerdan2592]

Yeah it only takes a tiny amount of time for them to pull the trigger. It's not like some gun fight in movies where the protagonist can draw and shoot the person before they have time to react. I'd at least wait until the person was distracted and looking in a different direction if I absolutely had to draw and shoot. I'd probably still get shot unless I was very quick lol.

[@John2r1]

@@dangerdan2592 If you have situational awareness . Then you may see the person coming and have time to draw and fire if you had to. Which requires formal training and time practicing both drawing and firing your weapon accurately. But you probably already know this.

[@eyesofstatic9641]

For real! That's a way to end up looking like a demagorgon

[@John2r1]

@@eyesofstatic9641 No simply having training and maintaining situational awareness doesn't make you a demogorgon . It makes you someone who knows what they are doing. It's a commonly known fact that criminals are both opportunistic individuals and cowards. They want your money not the hollow points in that firearm your packing. Thus generally target people who are not aware of their surroundings. And thus easy targets.

[@hunterkiller1440]

"It's all about wrist control."

[@nenadmilovanovic5271]

Those things that are almost impossible to restrain by hand, yes

[@dave_h_8742]

Are we still talking about disarming an assailant or sexy time ?

[@hurjireepz7021]

@@dave_h_8742 It could be both you know ;)

[@aleisterlavey9716]

It's all about wish control.

[@bmo1878]

That's what she said.

[@noneofyourbusiness3288]

Best self-defense: 1) deescalate 2) flee 3) comply only if these are not possible should you fight back.

[@brentduncan5184]

All the elements are accurate, but the order is incorrect. It should be: 1) Deescalate 2)Comply 3)Flee Everything else is on point.

[@thatwouldbeillogical]

Compliance can easily get you killed. Example: If someone gets in your car and holds a gun to your head and tells you to start driving to a location. What they are doing is making you drive to a secluded area where they can kill you and take everything you have on you. Another example: People break into your house, they hold a gun to your head and tell you to tell them to tell you where you keep everything valuable. Once you have given them all the information they need, they kill you to eliminate you as a witness. Another example: People break into your house, hold you at gunpoint while they ransack your house, then after they are done, they decide to kill you because they are sadistic or last minute are afraid you will be able to identify them. Compliance is NOT, I repeat absolutely NOT a 100% guarantee of safety. You can comply and still get killed in the end.

[@noneofyourbusiness3288]

@@thatwouldbeillogical yes, that is why I say: do it if its possible. I do not say "watch and go along with anything they do". But if its reasonable (like handing over money or being humiliated a bit) then just do it.

[@k96man]

But if you toss your wallet over your shoulder?

[@thatwouldbeillogical]

@@noneofyourbusiness3288 I guess I can agree for the very specific scenario where you're in the street and someone random pulls a gun on you and tells you to give them your wallet, complying is probably less likely to get you killed. However there are plenty of situations where you would need to fight back and would need to know how to deal with these situations. However, the biggest problem with this disarm videos that NOBODY ever points out is... Why is the robber standing within arms reach of the person they're robbing? They have a GUN. The main advantage of a gun is RANGE. Nobody is going to stand that close to you, where you could possibly disarm or hurt them, when they can stand just 2 meters back and be completely safe. That's why these gun disarm videos are bullshit.

[@ElementsRook]

Heh, recently got to play with some dolts who watched these "defense against a gun" vids. We were in red man suits and went full contact. Burned off a few mags of simunitions leaving every one of these "" experienced martial artist" with a good set of welts. First time one of em ate a elbow to the face to open distance and shoot was told "Your doing it wrong" I had a hard time not falling over laughing

[@metatronyt]

As It figures

[@andrewsalhany5665]

Not defending these videos in any way but if you are expecting them to try something it will be completely diffrent than some mugger who is dumb enough to get in your face while trying to snag your wallet. Element of surprise is the the only way any reactive defense works.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@andrewsalhany5665 the first thing that happens when someone with the finger on the trigger is surprised is that his finger will twitch pulling the trigger

[@jasonakers6538]

I cannot help but to recall the Napoleon Dynamite character, Rex Kwon Do.

[@ElementsRook]

@@andrewsalhany5665 polite coiterpoints. It's dangerous to assume a mugger is drunk. Also can't speek to others but if I pull I'm expecting hostile action until they are proned out. Metatron is right. I've got a couple decades doing unarmed, armored, and small arms combat training and sports as well as a decade or so doing fugitive recovery and if someone has the drop on me and al they want is the mony I'm flipping them the cash wallet. May try to position them to be down range from me shortly thereafter (yes I carry) or position them so the wife can take the shot (she also did skip trace and carries)

[@theamericancristero7390]

One of the easiest ways to proof test all this BS is to find a friend, get an airsoft pistol, some rubber knives, wear masks, and try it. You'll notice that the bullshido instructors will say you can't bc you'll break your finger. I promise you it rarely ever gets that far. I found that getting behind the pistol and controlling it with two hands worked better, as did getting the other person talking, but even after we threw out the BS techniques, the results were still getting shot before making contact with the gun 1/3 of the time, getting shot failing to control the gun 1/3 of the time, successfully gaining momentary control of the muzzle 1/3 of the time, which on the positive side, usually meant IRL they fired a shot while your hand was on the slide, so it jammed (this isn't dangerous for your hand) and that usually meant whoever realized this and got the rubber knife out first won; That assumes the gunman has no friends too, btw. Still 1/3 odds at best is a ridiculous game to play for a wallet.

[@vanivanov9571]

Umm... you can easily break fingers doing that, yes. Many gun disarms intentionally break the trigger finger. So if you do it, take the bloody trigger guard off your airsoft gun, before it becomes bloody. As it is, it sounds like your practice was fruitful, where even against a prepared mugger you got a 2/3rds success rate? That's a great job! But yeah, your opportunity to resist is quite slim, if foolish enough to let a gun be put to you, so the risks of something unacceptable happening have to be quite high.

[@simontmn]

1/3 odds is not bad if you're Israeli tourists or conscripts & the terrorists are aiming to take you hostage. It's insane in a robbery unless you're pretty sure the mugger will shoot you anyway.

[@magister.mortran]

This is actually some good advice for a change.

[@overdose8329]

@@simontmn the native population*. Fixed that for you

[@shaidrim]

Instead of an airsoft gun that can still be dangerous, just use a water gun. If your friend can spray you, your dead

[@alanetchetto8908]

"This is not the only one, check this one out" And a comercial started. Perfect timing.

[@richardsanchez9190]

Same here. About some "CIA" guy trying to sell you a book about techniques that are too violent to show you in KZbin.

[@DateMasamune1636]

Same

[@nickmasuen1859]

@@richardsanchez9190 I got the same thing also.

[@g.davidturnblom5751]

Also got an ad, but unfortunately for me it was completely irrelevant to this video, probably because I have young nieces who often borrow my phone.

[@xxparan01axx11]

When I did karate as a kid we'd learn a technique without resistance and then once we got it they'd tell our partner to actually resist, surprising how much you had to improvise to get the upper hand

[@ascendantfiction7220]

I used to train at the Krav Maga school in the first 2 videos, and I can confirm that when we did practice defenses against knives (and guns, though I only did that one or twice), we were always told to attack properly, and got yelled at if we didn’t attack properly. Also in the actual classes we were always told that in most of those situations we should just give up the money (apart from those rare scenarios where you think they’ll kill you anyway), so I definitely agree that them posting these videos without that added in is a bad idea since it doesn’t provide all the info and can lead people to make poor decisions like Metatron said.

[@kaminari1028]

I’ve been around guns all of my life and I agree with you wholeheartedly. Never risk your life over some money. Additionally, all of these techniques are silly. Your points as to why these moves are dangerous are accurate. Edit: this is the same thing as the “experts” that claim they can blast chi at you and such

[@killertruth186]

I have been around guns my whole life as well. And I do completely agree with Metatron. And the second clip is just putting yourself into more dangerous state than you are being point blank.

[@leary4]

I have not been around guns all my life but I have had them pulled on me three times. The thing is weather u submit to being robbed by either an armed or unarmed assailant he is going to do what he is going to do which simply means nothing u do is going to change the course of events. With this in mind (I guess) most cops now believe that running or fighting an assailant of about same age and size is more effective than handing over money and submitting to a beat down. Similarly if u have a gun drawn or brandished and u have one on you assume u will be shot and make a decision based on this.

[@Dragonmoon98]

It's exactly the same as those weird culty "martial arts" dojos where students are acting the way the instructor wants for the cameras, like good little mob ninjas

[@kecukraftwork1988]

Not gonna lie, if I were a gunman and someone tried to blast chi at me, it'd be really effective; no way can you aim accurately when you're dying of laughter.

[@SilcronKaytor]

I love how the helper of the assumption guy was holding his gun under the trigger. So when janked off his index finger wouldn't be stuck on the trigger guard. So realistic.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

Moves that disarm the opponent in real life will break the finger if it's still in the trigger guard, because they are designed to work even if he is resisting so there is A LOT more strenght involved than just "flip it with a hand" So it's normal and "recommended" to NOT put your finger in the trigger guard when doing training rounds like that.

[@Asghaad]

@@marcogenovesi8570 at which point i would rather suggest cutting off the trigger guard of the prop to allow at least proper grip on it ...

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@Asghaad Someone does not know how guns work. You don't need your finger on the trigger to have a "proper grip". The finger on the trigger is there only to operate the trigger, it's not grasping the gun. So having it inside the trigger guard or outside of it in a "safe" spot for real both gun handling and fight training has no effect on how strong someone holds the gun.

[@Asghaad]

@@marcogenovesi8570 except the guy has all 4 fingers wrapped around the grip of the gun LOWER than it should be ... that changes the leverage on the "prop" required to manipulate it. aside of that it wont take a genius to realize that holding something with all 4 fingers is stronger grip than just three, if you knew anything about guns yourself you would know that trigger finger isnt there just to "operate the trigger" and that you an alter the aimpoint of the gun by pulling on the trigger too hard ... which also means you can add that finger strength to the retainment if you squeeze on it hard making it barely any different than squeezing on the frame.

[@jimjambananaslam3596]

@@marcogenovesi8570 Seems pretty convenient that the thing that allows the demonstration to work just so happens to be a safety feature that wouldn't be present in real life lol. And even though you seem to think that finger bones are made of willow twigs, don't you think the addition of the trigger finger would completely change the mechanics of the technique, thus rendering the drill kind of pointless, as well as silly looking?

[@FortressofLugh]

"my daddy once a' caught a' bullet with his bare hands...no bullshit!" Jackie Chan, Rush Hour.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

I mean it all comes down from how fast that bullet was going. If it was just thrown by hand anyone can catch it

[@Eumesmo-01]

I'd love to see an experiment where the "agressor" uses an airsoft gun, and is allowed to shoot this "Masters", in real fast movements, to evaluate if they would not be purple after using this fabulous "techniques". OBS: They should be shirtless, if they are so confident, it won't bother them.

[@XStormieX]

I’m glad you’re doing this because these videos give people a horrible false sense of safety and security. Just like your knife video years ago, I love it. These things need to be called out and mocked because it gets people hurt or worse killed.

[@fomobull4187]

On a vacation to Turkey, I was once forced by a group of men (about five) to go to an ATM and enter my pin code. I did not resist at all, but they punched me once to show they were serious. They withdrew cash until the daily limit was reached, then left with the card. It was not the best vacation after that, but the bank reimbursed me as it was considered credit card fraud. If someone threaten you to get your pin code, it is covered. Moral of the story is that your pin code is ultimately not secret, but your money is still safe. As for cash, do not walk around with more than you can loose. I worried that these guys would even follow me to the hotel and make me open the safe to look for cash. But they did not. Probably it was not worth their time and the risk.

[@Croz89]

Really it's a good argument for not carrying any money at all. Unfortunately insuring against lost cash is difficult unless you can prove how much was on you. But we're not at that point yet in most parts of the world. And good on you for at least sticking out the vacation. I'd want to go straight home after that, that would totally ruin my vacation and I'd be miserable for the rest of the trip, I'd want a total do-over and extra time off.

[@fomobull4187]

For sure, it was not great at all the next couple of days. But I was much younger and did not want to let it stand between me and experiencing byzantine sites for the first time. You are right, it is a good argument for avoiding cash. But an argument for keeping a bit of cash as a tourist is that you can limit situations where your card data may be copied (e.g. a waiter). Or one can stick to safer destinations but then one will never see Hagia Sophia and similar things.

[@Croz89]

@@fomobull4187 Cloned data won't make a difference anyway, since it's still an unauthorised transaction. Really I think the only reason to do it now is due to lack of infrastructure (even in many developed countries). And cash tips are more likely to be kept by staff than credit cards. There are of course precautions you can take to almost certainly prevent incidents like that, generally not ever being in a place on your own, go with a tour guide or mingle in with a crowd (though that won't stop the pickpockets!). But I appreciate that can limit your opportunities.

[@Grygong555]

Much, much respect to you for that video. Money should never be something to risk your life over in a situation like this.

[@metatronyt]

Thanks for your support

[@ElementsRook]

Only counterpoint I might have is lots of folks (the wife and I as well as most of our friends) get paid to risk our lives. But your initial point as well as our host is inherently correct. Give em the money

[@praevasc4299]

While that's correct, the problem is that we can't know if they're only after our money and will leave us alone if we pay them, or if they want to rape or kill us, in which case we should fight back even if our chances are slim.

[@bruschetta7711]

@@praevasc4299 not if they are pointing a gun at you, like if they wanted to harm me, i'd have better chances since they wouldn't use guns to harm me and raise attention, but in the scenario mentioned in the video the odds are so low that someone shouldn't even consider it

[@sebastianriz4703]

@@praevasc4299 you are basically saying: I am going to kill myself and fight back even though there is a good chance that my attacker is just after my money. Its not worth it to not fight just in case they want to hurt me after that take my money. Hey man, your funeral.

[@als3022]

Where I work two guys were arguing over a girl and one pulled out a gun. He did fight the other guy for it, the fight lasted about 2 minutes or so and then one of them got shot and killed. Story is mixed and so not sure if the gun was taken and the shooter became the shot or it was a loss. Stories vary. From personal experience the best thing to do when you have a gun put in your face is two-fold. 1. Remain calm: you remain calm and it can have a calming effect on the person with a gun. Even if it doesn't losing your cool will risk them losing their cool. 2. If you can make them laugh it has always helped me. I even got out of being killed because I made the gunner laugh and he let me go. That wasn't a robbery, he was looking to kill a guy he was angry at and I just happened to be the first person he saw. Having a big ass gun yourself and a quicker draw helps too. MERICA. Cough cough.

[@nilsbachellery6939]

Big iron always help ! 'member the halloween pirate

[@KJAkk]

When my dad was in the police academy he was shown a disarm method for if a guy was standing directly behind you with a double action revolver. However they were told to not even try it with a auto-loader as it would not work before you got shot.

[@henrikg1388]

THANK YOU! These self-defense drills without a resisting opponent, has been bugging me my entire life, and especially instructional videos on YT. Thank you again! But you'd be surprised at how many "black belts" around the world in martial arts most consider to be serious, that really believe these techniques work.

[@Jebu911]

bad thing about self defence is you dont know if it actually works unless someone tries to kill you in real life.

[@Mrleejunman]

When I use to teach any gun disarm techniques I always had people challenge us saying that wouldn't work or say you should do it this way or that way, we always used a loaded bb gun firing the metal .22 ball bearings to show which techniques worked and prove which didnt. Alot of people lost faith in their techniques when a loaded pellet gun came out. Some techniques work very well but circumstances have to be just right and that's the problem, some people think learning a certain move will work everytime no matter what. Learning the move is one thing but more important is reading the entire situation from body language, environmental pros&cons to what clothing you're wearing. Only when you've ticked off all these variables can you then decide whether it's worth the risk to try and disarm someone pointing a gun at you.

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

Most comes down to getting the drop on the opponent. Like all warfare. If you are right behind a guy with a gun looking away. You might be able to wrestle muzzle control and get the gun away from them. But if they are focused on you with a gun in their hands, you don’t stand a chance. They already have the drop on you. Almost all engagements with a gun come down to who has the upper hand in the moment of engagement. Between a mugger and a civilian and 2 trained squads of modern armies. Strategy leads to tactics leads to results. It’s how the situation is playing out that matters, and if you get the gun pointed at your opponent before they do the same to you. You have great odds.

[@RorikH]

@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 *If you are right behind a guy with a gun looking away* Ah yes, the famous "mugger who isn't looking at you and doesn't know you're there" most feared of all street criminals.

[@shanek6582]

Where can I get one of these 22 cal ball bearing guns lol. You mean a .177 BB gun? You live trained with real bbs? No professional instructors would do that, maybe airsoft or simunitions but if you are using bbs you are doing it with your cousins in the back yard, not professionally. Stop lying online kid.

[@Asghaad]

@@shanek6582 airsoft blowback pistol would be the best training tool for this, if you use protection glasses its not dangerous and it simulates really well the function of the actual gun (as in slide has to cycle or there weill be empty chamber on the second trigger pull). Also it would help the credibility if the guy posing as a mugger was allowed to MOVE and REACT. Anyone with even mediocre gun handling training would know to tuck the arms in if someone goes for the firearm, at point blank you can easily shoot with arms tucked all the way back to your chest or even one hand from the hip, second hand outstretched to create separation.

[@Mrleejunman]

@@shanek6582 I live in the uk so its not a real .22 bullet. Air pellets and metal bbs in the uk come in .22 & .177 The pellet gun we used was called a g10 repeater. It's not the most realistic comparison to a firearm, has no slide like a real gun just a section at the back to cock it. This was all we had back then in the 1990s way before airsoft and Gas guns had come in, there were some but quite expensive. By all means question people but you shouldn't be quick to dismiss and be rude to someone because of your lack of knowledge, It just makes you look like an angry little pr1ck. And "kid" hahaha I'm 54 you mug.

[@tacoface5000]

Even if you have a gun too, I have always been taught that you make sure the assailant thinks they've won and you're unarmed before you even think of trying to pull you weapon in defense of your property. That's just me though, a guy who's never been robbed Edit: since when can you expect KZbin to do anything reasonable or logical in any way, especially when concerning monetization?

[@ThejollyFrenchman]

Honestly, if you give them your money, and they turn away to leave, it's worth just letting them go. Unless you're carrying way too much money in public, the legal trouble of proving that your shooting was justified to the police, or of walking away and constantly watching over your shoulder for police, is not worth the hassle.

[@alexalexides8947]

Thank you. I ended up disabled by a training incident in a Krav Maga class, and there seems no limit to the bizarre promises made by those obsessed with this sport. Also, training in scenarios where you're asked to go 100% all the time just leads to you ending up injured long before anyone ever attacks you.

[@KryoTronic]

I agree with you 100% When I taught Tang Soo Do with my Dad, we told everyone what you said. If they want your money, give it to them, if you get in a knife fight you will get cut, if they have a gun you will probably die (if you resist), don't try this unless there is no other choice. We also tried our best to actually make it work which is why my Dad came up with his own self defense "moves/sets" with the class and me. Because the traditional ones are fancy and make 0 sense.

[@welltell.]

Growing up in a tough neighborhood I learned that if some one pulls out a weapon on you and does not use it, it means they are not looking to use it on you with out a reason. Do not give them that reason. If he says "give me all your money", i will be saying "sure let me give you the meager $5 i have in my wallet, by the way, here you go and have a nice day." and the odds are he won't shoot you.

[@Eyebrows842]

My understanding is most have a gun for intimidation purposes not killing purposes. They need money they don't want to murder to get it. Many times the gun is not even real. I know many are done with toy guns A) so its not robbery with a gun, and B) they don't want to kill anybody just scare them

[@renaissanceredneck73]

I've had 2 situations in my life where I've had pistols put in my face. One was a robbery, they got the money. The second I was a bouncer in a bar, and we had to remove a guy that came in the bar looking for his cheating spouse, he found her. He started a fight with the guy she was dancing with. We pulled them apart and took him outside. We just wanted the guy to leave, the police had already been called. He turned like he was going and came back around with a pistol in his hands that he put right to my forehead. That situation felt way more scary than the robbery because I'm sure this guy felt like he had nothing left to lose. And I will swear to my dying day that I saw in his eyes when he made the decision to pull the trigger. So I went for the gun, I had my hands up at shoulder height palms outward, I grabbed the gun and his hand pushing them up and over my head. The gun went off about six inches above my head. At about this time the other 3 bouncers landed on him and I. My focus was just on holding onto that gun so I could keep him from shooting me. I ended up with 2 broke ribs and NGL needing to change my pants, as at some point my bladder had let go. Scariest moments of my life. P.S. he went to jail for 3-5 years, plus something like 10 years of probation for attempted murder, and assault with a deadly weapon.

[@simontmn]

Wow, the would-be burglar I chased out of my house got 3 years!

[@bigguy7353]

Thank you, Metatron. Some of these are do-able with tons of training and muscle memory.......some. People just don't understand a person will be actively resisting you. Life is not the movies. Again, thank you. Money is not worth one's life.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

The "Krav Maga" ones are VERY loosely inspired from actual Krav Maga techniques that actually work even if someone is resisting, but every half-assed instructor will tell you that you MUST wait for or cause a distracton before pulling any of this off or you get shot in the face. You don't just go batman at gunpoint like that

[@vanivanov9571]

@@marcogenovesi8570 Distractions are important. Best ones tend to be throwing the item of interest , or asking questions. Even a simple and relevant question tends to be very distracting, and a good time to move. Better yet, you can gauge your chances by how quick-witted and alert the mugger is.

[@sevenproxies4255]

Except that they're not doable due to simple biomechanics. The time it takes for the gunman to register movements of the unarmed guy by sight and his brain sending a neural signal to his trigger finger will be much, much shorter than the time it takes for the unarmed guy's neural signals to perform such great body movements.

[@vanivanov9571]

​@@sevenproxies4255 . . . ? It's estimated to take about 0.2 seconds for the brain to react to stimuli. You can get better than this if you're hyper alert and well drilled, with something like 0.14 being the most I've heard of. And... the entire move took about 2/3rds of a second, with the gun to the defender's back. He gets off the firing line a lot sooner than that, something like 0.2 seconds. That's why one guy mentioned having a 2/3rds success rate, practicing against his friend who was prepared to shoot him; because it's hard to react even if you know it's coming. Still, you don't want to risk this if you don't have to.

[@marekgdpr680]

I love how in the first video he doesn't mention that having gun fire so close to your head can cause up to a permanent hearing loss and disorient or even stun you for a while in the process. Your only chance to do something about the blast would be yelling as hard as you can with mouth wide open and that still might not be enough. :D

[@StangLX351]

Glad to see you and I share the same feelings about this. I myself have spent most of my adult life in Law Enforcement and the military and while these techniques can make a disarm “possible”…….the likelihood that a normal person will successfully do it is likely to end up with them getting very seriously hurt and likely dead. If your life is on the line you have no other recourse than try, but you are right if the perpetrators want to shoot you they will without notice that’s the facts. Give up your wallet, live to fight another day.

[@obiwankenobi579]

As someone who trains different Martial Arts since roughly 20-25 years (Wing Chun, Braz JuJitsu, Krav Maga, Muay Thai) I have to say: Good sir Metatron, you are ABSOLUTELY correct. I saw sooo much BS during my time with Batmans and other 'super masters'. A great test is when you want to start training in a martial arts school: Ask the trainer what his solution to knife attacks is - and if he tells you (as a beginner) that he will teach you how to defend or even unarm a knife fighter you IMMEDIATELY leave and look for another school. Great and informative Video! Thank you.

[@Othurin]

Agree with most of your points. Most of these krav maga teachers present it as a very easy step 1 step 2 step 3 done. However, there is an aspect to robberies beyond just money. In Sweden we have an epidemic of "humiliation robberies" where even when the victims offer their money they get severely beaten, sexually assaulted or get their ears cut off. At some point risking your health by fighting back becomes worth it when the risk of surrendering is bad enough.

[@ThrashTillDeth85]

That is true, but you need to wait for an opening, don't go for it when you've got the gun pointed at your head and their attention on you, that's how you die

[@als3022]

Sometimes people go out looking to make bodies. Been in that situation myself. So yeah it all depends on the end goal.

[@LazyLifeIFreak]

Recognize the situation, arm yourself and hope that you don't have to pull the trigger that night. Other than that, move away from an area or take the law into your own hands.

[@Marinealver]

Never surrender to sadists.

[@victorhugoeh974]

Gees! I never thought there would be such kind of violent assaults in Sweden! I guess it was a prejudice from my side. I live in Mexico and there's also a lot of violence during assaults and robberies. Still, people have got tired out of being mugged time and again and it has become sort of frequent news to know of people who react to a robbery and take down the thieves. Of course, it doesn't always end well.

[@Rusty_Raine]

Thank you for making this video. I have taken several forms of martial arts through my life. None of my masters have taught how to disarm a firearm. All of them told me to politely give them my wallet. Even in most knife scenarios you are better off giving them your wallet. You are also correct in your assessment of actions. In a good training scenario, your attacker gets 1 action for every action that you take. It is all slowed down for training but they still get an action for every action that you take. I am not including set self defense techniques where it is repetition for gaining muscle memory. step 1 self defense techniques, step 2 self defense scenarios and step 3 sparring. To effectively use any technique you must have either/or 1 & 2 followed by 3. If it doesn't work in sparring, it doesn't work.

[@nurse425]

Oh GOD, "How Cast"! I'm surprised the Katana Master isn't demonstrating gun defense! "Since most Japanese are allowed to carry swords, simply draw your weapon, which should slow time around your enemies, and than catch the bullets at the hilt"! LOL

[@Chraan]

I would imagine Katana defense more like this... What does he have in his hand? What is that?

[@gaiusjuliuspleaser]

Contrary to weeb belief, you actually can't just carry a sword in public in Japan, you need a special permit that's super difficult to obtain. Anything bigger than a pocket knife is mostly illegal.

[@nurse425]

@@gaiusjuliuspleaser Metatron did a previous video form 'How Cast' where a supposed 'Katana Master' stated Katana's were still open carried in parts of Japan!

[@chroma6947]

Lol insert forged in fire blade cutting bullet test

[@stevecastro1325]

Any criminal with a gun just needs to stand back a couple of feet.

[@MVK_GS]

While I served in Special Forces (US Army), we spent a great deal of time on weapon retention, particularly because - at the time - we were engaged in two theaters of war where a lot of the operations involved raids into built-up areas of one sort or another. The biggest factor in a close quarters situation where one will encounter pistol use is fear. Fear is the one aspect that makes even the best technique a crappy technique. The normal human fight-or-flight responses of tunnel vision, auditory exclusion, and loss of fine motor skills have to be taken into account when formulating any viable response to a life or death struggle for a weapon. I find that a lot of "experts" in the field fail to even mention this or take it into account. During CQB training, most of our injuries occurred in two instances: fast roping onto the target (not too common, but injuries did happen), and hand-to-hand combat against the personnel playing the part of the enemy on target (very common). Struggling for a pistol is ugly and messy.

[@Ricki_47]

I always enjoy the debunking video you make bro

[@metatronyt]

Glad to hear!

[@sulajkovski]

True for regular civilians, they probably shouldn't be trying this without a proper physical and mental training. But for every kind of security forces, it is an obligation to do something to defend against a gun. When I was in private security long time ago, they taught us we have to come closer to the attacker with our hands up until the barrel of his gun is touching our body, and then we have to rotate our body and block his hand with the gun with our hand in order for him to miss us when he fires, or at least to miss vital parts of our body. As a security officer, you don't have the possibility to say "I just wanted to save my life". And they taught us that in order to defend ourselves we must always come closer to the attacker.

[@mikeoxlong1395]

I remember, i think it was two years ago. Some jackoff with AK started firing at people in the center of one of our largest cities. He was stopped by a cop who rushed him and disarmed him. He took two bullets to his gut in the process, though.

[@sulajkovski]

@@mikeoxlong1395 Cops and other security personnel like soldiers have the duty to risk their lives to save other people's lives. And the only way is to confront the attacker and try to overpower him. But shouldn't we all be doing that? I personally don't like these suggestions that we should just obey to a criminal or try to run away. With more brave citizens, there would have been less crimes. People should be trained for self defense and allowed to open carry guns, because we should all be security to each other.

[@Amonimus]

the first part is comedy gold and yeah, screw those videos

[@sevenproxies4255]

Sadly, handing over money and valuables isn't as sure to keep you safe from robbers anymore. In my country, we've seen a spike of so called "humiliation muggings", whereby the muggers begin with demanding your wallet and smartphone and all your valuables, but after you hand it over, they proceed to enact acts of violence and sadism on you just to satiate their psychotic idea of fun. It's not as much about getting money for these people as it is getting thrills from hurting and dominating innocent people.

[@Karadjanov]

There are many different scenarios when you should fight back. That being said in 99.9999% of the time your first action should be compliance and submission while you asses the situation and only when you think that things are developing for the worst should you pick a moment to attack with FULL FORCE and see where the dice falls.

[@rinflame44]

I took an introductory class to pistol shooting recently and one of the first things you get taught is a firm grip on the firearm as you are effectively trying to contain a small explosion and due to the short barrel it is difficult to shoot a pistol accurately if not held tight. I don't see how you could so easily 'yank' a fire-arm away from someone gripping their gun with the intention to control recoil. If this is obvious to a complete layman after the first lesson it is safe to assume most people using a gun would have figured it out.

[@Kevc00]

I love how metatron used to be just a great history channel, now he provides life lessons on muggings and freedom of speech. Ya gotta love it.

[@frustrateduser9933]

Not in this video. He thinks these videos "shouldn't be allowed" bc they're too dangerous.

[@mrtrollnator123]

@@frustrateduser9933 he has a point

[@frustrateduser9933]

@@mrtrollnator123 it's better to make a video like this to refute the 'dangerous' information instead. People don't stop at what they originally said was too dangerous. Otoh, if you were saying he has a point about that move being stupid and dangerous, then yes, he has a point.

[@Blox117]

based spaghetti man

[@prodajie]

You make some very good points in this vid, but more censorship is not what we need. Debating the monetization is reasonable, but arguing this "type" of video shouldn't be allowed is way over the line.

[@ironwolf2244]

Getting professional training is always preferable.

[@John2r1]

Best defense against a bad guy with a gun. Is your own gun and being properly trained in it's use. Additionally situational awareness is key to defending ones self .

[@claudiaxander]

Were you not listening?

[@John2r1]

@Mr Hulk Yes but professional help is rarely around when you need it. Unless you mean professional training in which case training helps.

[@r0ky_M]

I wouldn't count LE as "prof. help"..any knuckle head can empty a couple Glock mags trying to hit a perp..LoL

[@jonc2914]

@@John2r1 why? Cops are "professionals" and I guarantee you regular Joe's have alot more firearms experience without formal training. Cops accidentally shoot instead of taser all the time.

[@OldMadHatter]

The biggest problem I have here is that the assailant will come right up to you, and put the gun within arms reach.

[@tkc1129]

In this sort of situation, the best move is clearly to just negate the interaction between your body and the ground, falling through it. They'll never see it coming.

[@scottwyand]

As an American who legally carries a gun every day, if someone pulls a gun wanting my wallet, they can have it.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

yeah if they are smart they ask for the gun, that's probably the most valuable item on your person

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@SimuLord good luck drawing a gun at gunpoint and try to aim it at the enemy without getting shot. If you don't want to eat lead instantly you will have to move slowly and grip it in a "safe" way.

[@Jebu911]

@@SimuLord Thats why you pull it out yourself and have him keep his hands up. I used to work for private security in my country and we never let the criminals put their hands in their pockets. Sometimes they would have knifes or drug needles in there.

[@rickscott8756]

As a person who has received a little bit of training on how to disarm someone holding a gun to you at point blank range, and a person who was mugged at gun point after this training, I have a lot to say about this. It may be kind of long. I will first go into what kind of training I received and then what I ended up doing when held at gun point. Training: When I was about 13 years old I took a police self-defense course which was taught by, well -a police officer. It was a two day course with each lesson lasting 8 hours. One of the lessons was how to disarm someone holding a gun to you at point-blank range. The thing I was taught that day was to make a quick grab of the gun holder's wrist -which would be faster than they could react and force their hand open causing the attacker to drop their gun or kind of send it flying out of their hand to say -a few meters away. We (as students) tried this on each other with prop guns time and time again and it seemed to just about always work. We could get the gun out of their hands before the gunman could react -even if they knew it was coming. We eventually figured out a little trick that prevented this from working. If the person grabbed the gun squeezing pinky first on the grip, the wrist grab was ineffective. Now most people holding up someone might not have the presence of mind to do this, but then again we were still just a group of 13 year-olds trying this on each other under a policeman's instruction. The mugging setting: I was 22 years old and walking with three of my friends near Metro-Center mall, Phoenix Arizona, USA. It was dark and I was on the phone with my girlfriend (who is now my wife). We came upon a dead end side road that divided two apartment complexes -one of which I was living in at the time. One of my friends who was with me just got picked up by his wife and so three of us were left. There was a small silver or white truck nearby with, what I remember, three men inside. My young naive self didn't pay them any mind and kept talking on the phone to my girlfriend. I was lagging a little behind my friends who were going across a small grass park that led to a wall with an opening to get into my apartment complex. The mugging happens: I am beginning to follow my friends into the park when I look to my side and see the, what I remember, were three men walking up to me. I turn to look at them wondering if they needed something and immediately that's when the lead guy draws a silver colored gun. Things went in slow motion. One of the other guys had a bat... I don't remember if I noticed this at the time. I immediately dropped to the ground, laid on my stomach and put my hands behind my head. Oddly, I was focused on trying to do everything I could to not make them nervous. I dropped my phone with my girlfriend still on it, hearing everything. They cursed at me loudly to get on the ground and that they were crazy and would kill me. I heard them chasing after my friends who apparently, tried to run away from them and were near the entrance in the wall that led to my apartment complex. I over heard the attackers yelling at my friends to stay still or they'd shoot what I thought was me at that moment. There was a little bit of crying and commotion going on over there. They eventually grabbed my friends' wallets and phones, and grabbed my wallet before running off -they also decided to stomp on my head and hit me in the back with the bat on their way back to the truck. I remember being somewhat amazed that I didn't feel pain from that at the moment -I'm guessing from the adrenaline -but was sore from it later. Aftermath: After they leave, we enter into my apartment complex where a woman who witnessed the whole thing out her window is waiting and invites us in to her apartment. I lose it then, realizing that my girlfriend must have heard the whole thing and is freaking out. She did. We call the police -they come out and not much is done at that point. A detective comes and sees us the next day, takes my shirt for evidence as it has a shoe print on it and discovers that my friend's card was used at a casino. Unfortunately by the time the detective discovers this -their tapes were overwritten and the muggers are never found... well at least for our mugging. Thoughts: I never thought the gunman would kill me as long as I remained still, quiet and not threatening in any way. What if the gun had a hair trigger?... I don't know how nervous and hyped up this guy is. What I did turned out to be a good decision in my circumstance -as I lived and my friends lived. When I saw you draw the wallet and hand it over as a response -the first thing that came to my mind is that leaves the possibility that the attacker could think you are drawing a weapon. I'm not sure about the gun laws in Europe or Italy and how much they vary -but I'm under the impression that they are a bit more lax in the USA, and therefore -it's more likely that a normal pedestrian might be carrying -especially in Arizona. So dropping and letting the gunman or his friends take your wallet from you -seems to be more cautious approach -at least where I'm from. Funny thing is that one of the officers who came that night suggested I carry... I'm not sure what to think of that. If a gun was seen on me, that might have stopped them from attempting to mug us, but if they didn't see it and I tried to draw on them when they already had a gun pointed at me, I think it's more likely that I would get killed in that situation. One of my friends had re-occuring nightmares from the scenario. I guess when they threatened to kill who I thought was me when my other friend was trying to keep them from getting his wallet, it was in fact my friend who was crying and pleading with them as they held the gun directly to his head. I still, to this day, don't think I was close to death in that situation -and I only dreamed about it once. I thought about the training I had received in hindsight, but realized it would have been a foolish thing to do -especially with three of them there. If I was in a situation where I really thought the gunman was going to kill me, for sure, like put me in the trunk of their car and we were out in the middle of nowhere... I'd hope I would try the technique then. I do have confidence that it cooooould work -as it did in those numerous tries when I was 13 -as long as the gun wasn't held in a certain way. I'd still try it every now and again with friends, and it still usually works. The thing that is good about it is that it is easy to practice. When the (practice) gun is held to you, take a quick and strong grab at the wrist that is holding the gun. You will know, somewhat, from your own experiment, whether or not it would be an option for you in a TRULY DESPERATE situation. It was not in my instincts that night to use it... and that's probably a good thing. Be smart.

[@thetimebinder]

Try that versus a non cooperating opponent with an airsoft gun.

[@thesurvivalcollective4348]

Inert powder rounds or gel rounds would be a better choice. They reduce the risk of losing an eye or other facial/bodily harm along with eliminating the chance that one of those plastic pellets get stuck in your skin.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

haha airsoft gun goes BRRRRRRRRT

[@ElementsRook]

If you can afford it simunition rounds are better (more painful to be fair)

[@thetimebinder]

@@thesurvivalcollective4348 They aren't at risk if their technique works.

[@mortache]

@@thesurvivalcollective4348 hah let anyone who thinks this works get hurt lol.

[@dislikebutton1935]

Hi Metatron - I have practiced martial arts since I was a boy - Judo, Aikido, and now Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (Gracie blue belt). I have been mugged twice at knife point - once in Milano (in Lambrate, or "Lambrangeles" as I know it) and once in Sydney, Australia, my home town. In both cases I implemented my most effective technique based on my years of Martial Arts training: "here is my wallet, here is my watch - I have nothing else of value". In both cases, I lost a very nice wallet, and a very nice watch. And I am healthy and free to continue my BJJ training. Being proud means nothing when your mother is laying flowers on your grave.

[@donovandengler6532]

I love what you said about this type of video, in my martial arts my sensei said the exact same thing you said about money is not worth your life and to only defend back when its absolutely required

[@ctam79]

Hey Metatron, could you do a reaction video, or commentary on the new The Last Duel trailer from Ridley Scott? That movie looks really interesting and historically accurate.

[@metatronyt]

I already did :)

[@QwertyBoredom122]

@@metatronyt Out yet?

[@metatronyt]

@@QwertyBoredom122 Just look through my videos or type "Metatron last duel"

[@LarryBonson]

Best tactic is to look over the attackers shoulder and say here comes the police.

[@LazyLifeIFreak]

Situational, it might work to distract them if you have a firearm yourself but then there's question, what if you both end up shot bleeding out on the pavement, was it worth it? Going down with the ship and taking the offender is one thing, leaving your wife a widow and your kids fatherless is another.

[@lukediehl1210]

Or, ask "How are you gonna shoot me with the safety on?" Most criminals aren't smart enough to realize their Glock doesn't have a manual external safety.

[@austinhuber3131]

You'd actually be surprised how effectively you can reach a weapon before it's fired, especially with practice. Criminals have successfully done this to police and vice versa. It would only make sense if you're being held at gunpoint to be taken to another location, like a kidnapping scenario. Just hand over the money if it's a mugging.

[@Asghaad]

criminals can do it to cops because cop cant just shoot ... he has to process and make a judgement slowing theyr reaction times SIGNIFICANTLY, where mugger that doesnt care about your life one iota will pull the trigger if you so much a twitch the way he doenst like ...

[@MeldinX2]

It's possible but people sitting at home watching these tutorials will never be able to pull it of. Espacially when they are scared for their life. Most likely you will stumble and you will get hurt in the best situation or dead in the worst situation.

[@baldviking1970]

When I was in the military, we did a soldier with knife vs soldier with machine gun. The soldier with machine gun won every time. We also did navy seals climbing the mountain at night vs my brother sitting on top of the mountain, smoking and drinking cola, with a 12.7 mm / 50 cal gun. The navy seals lost.

[@texanplayer7651]

The thing is, even in America it is very unlikely to get mugged on the street with a gun. When a criminal owns a gun, he will most likely attempt to rob a store that has a few hundred dollars in the register which is also in a closed area where not many cops can look into. If he had to mug random people on the street, he would need to mug at least a dozen of them for the same money, and that's that many times more risks of getting busted or even shot by the police. If someone in America takes his gun out it is more likely he is from a local gang and wants you out of his hood, which means you got into a high risk environment in the first place.

[@1984potionlover]

I think he's saying height, not hai, forehead height being where the hypothetical gun is being pointed...If you were being sarcastic, then, my bad. Mea culpa for being thicker than a really good split pea soup, (Dang, it's a chilly night here...I just may go make some!. Curl up with a warm cuppa a cosy comforter or two and consume copious quantities of Channel Metatron . Opa!

[@motaman8074]

I think you're right

[@Adam_okaay]

Why does a he need to put a new round in the chamber of a semi-automatic pistol? Its double action a new round is chambered by the slide returning forward...

[@theamericancristero7390]

Well if I grab your pistol and you press the trigger, assuming I survive the manuever, the slide cannot reciprocate therefore it jams. Revolvers are preferable for "clinch" range fighting, especially bobbed hammer / concealed hammer double action only revolvers, you can shoot those from a pocket or purse. Whether the auto loader is striker fires (think glock,) single action only (1911,) double only, whatever, if you press it against someone you can easily press the slide out of battery and deactivate the trigger, if there's something behind the slide the pistol will jam, if someone grabs the slide it will jam.

[@claudiodiaz9752]

If the gun fires during all the grabbing it's possible that the gun will malfunction and jam. Racking the slide will clear most malfunctions. Double action is related to the function of the trigger and hammer, it has nothing to do with the fact the gun is semi automatic. A gun may be single action and semiautomatic. A revolver can be double or single action. Most mdern pistols are neither, they are strike fired instead, that includes Glocks, the gun the prop in the video is mimicking.

[@yomauser]

Its because when you grab the slide before it fire, you prevent it from sliding backwards.

[@claudiodiaz9752]

@@theamericancristero7390 There are many things to consider. Double action revolvers will not fire if you grab the cylinder, unless the hammer have been pulled pre-grabbing. If you survive the shot you may not have much of your hand left as well depending on the caliber, because revolvers generally release gases atvthe gap between the barrel and the cylinder. Most modern pistols will not fire if you push the barrel inwards due to the delay/locking system, since it will put it out of battery. But some will, special if they have a fixed barrels.

[@chronicdose]

@@theamericancristero7390 this is a good explanation I was confused as well, probably because it seems they assume the perpetrator will not get to pop off a round. Limp grip/wrist def has caused malfunctions for new shooters I bring to the range, and I suspect if you miraculously hit the firearm immediately prior to discharge and survived, that it has a high possibility of causing a malf. I'd still probably pull the trigger and then rack if it didnt go off.

[@sevenproxies4255]

If one were serious about developing hand to hand techniques against a gunman, here's an idea: give your sparring partner gas powered blow back airsoft pistol, and tell him to shoot you if you make any sudden moves. See if you manage to pull the gun from his hands or not without getting shot. And if you fail, it's gonna sting and teach you a lesson of pain.

[@kvo2176]

This video is so on point! These kinds of self-defence videos and instructors are incredibly dangerous and harmful. One good rule of thumb for choosing a self-defence school - if the words “fun” or “easy” are mentioned, run in the opposite direction. They will be teaching you fun and easy ways to die. I was lucky enough to train under a self-defence instructor who took his responsibility as someone teaching people to survive terrible situations very seriously. He used to test the techniques he taught us as close to reality as possible - knife defence against an actual sharp knife for example. In class we learnt that the first thing you do is to surrender and try to give the guy what he wants. Only if that doesn’t work and it becomes apparent that what they want is to do you serious harm, then do you fight. You are going to get hurt, but you may have a chance to survive. We trained with full resistance - if you’re the attacker you better be roughing up the other guy, shouting at him, trying your best to fight back once the move starts. Some of those classes were literal hell, but that’s unfortunately what you need to be prepared to fight for your life.

[@nathanwhitfield4462]

If they have a weapon and you don’t , cooperate or flee , this will get you killed I am a firearms instructor I literally teach people how to defend against a gun everyday the answer is not this ….great video man no idea how I missed it for five days !

[@metallisika2745]

Alright, I had a very poor impression at the beginning of the video, as the technique they were showcasing is one that works, but if they didn't have any sort of a disclaimer about inherent dangers of the technique, I too would find it a bit suspicious. The teaching was awful, and the gun threat from the rear in particular was horrendously performed. You raised a valid point about it being dangerous to attempt a gun disarm, but consider that you're expecting rationality from an individual who is threatening your life with a deadly weapon. In a case where a mugger is not satisfied with what you're offered them, your "relinquishing the wallet" technique is not going to cut it. At such a point, it would be better to attempt do something than stand still and wait to be killed. Just grabbing and redirecting the firearm would raise your chances of survival significantly, as gripping the slide would prevent it from moving and induce a failure to extract, turning the gun into a useless paperweight. Even if they were using a revolver, the pressure of a single finger would not be able to force the cylinder to rotate, and if pre-cocked, then you can grip it in such a way that it prevents the hammer from falling on the firing pin. A knife is actually more dangerous than a gun at very short ranges. That said, they definitely should have included some kind of a disclaimer about the necessity of repeated training for the techniques to work reliably even if the video were merely a showcase and advertisement for their dojo. That's where we agree completely. We also agree on the Indian fellow's technique being absolute bullshit, though that should go without saying. Source: a decade of personal experience with krav maga and other martial arts, and years of experience with sport shooting.

[@BAsgeirr]

The two dislikes are from street vigilantes who definitely always get to disarm a person with a firearm lol.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

50% of the times all the time

[@s.picone]

😂 best defense against a person with a gun is using your gun

[@Honeybadger_525]

Not if there's a gun already pointed at you at point-blank range. Impossible to draw your own weapon faster than your attacker without getting shot first

[@taterkaze9428]

I can tell you're a genius. Don't forget to open carry, so every bad guy knows who to shoot first.

[@s.picone]

@@Honeybadger_525 Well of course, that’s common sense. These guys in the videos think your supposed to judo chop the guy with the gun drawn or make quick head movements like in the movies lol

[@jwhippet8313]

Best defense against gun violence is to speak to your doctor about any depression symptoms. That decreases your chances of dying by gun fire by more than half. The next is not purposely to associate with criminals or commit crime yourself. There goes most of the remainder. Lastly, don't live in a neighborhood that's obviously overun by crime. That's the hardest and takes courage, but going to the City Rescue Mission or YMCA in a town outside your urban hell hole while you look for any job you can find will decrease the chances of dying by a gun to tiny, tiny levels.

[@s.picone]

@@taterkaze9428 I personally conceal carry keeping the element of surprise. 😎

[@leifleoden5464]

The only effective defense I have seen against being held at gunpoint was dropping your wallet and then shooting the guy with your own gun while he's distracted picking up your wallet. Probably illegal in most jurisdictions.

[@rileyernst9086]

Its like they're teaching anti firearm defence against someone who does not actually want to shoot you, and someone who does not have their finger on the trigger. My best advice for such a scenario would be talk it out, even in a case like this trying to snatch a gun from someone's hands sounds like a good way of getting shot.

[@1984potionlover]

Shots fired!!!!

[@snakeace0]

In the absolutely ridiculously low chance of this ever occuring, those first 2 "rules" are actually correct. getting out of the way of the muzzle and then controling the gun. Grabbing the slide and forcing him to pull the trigger will not cycle the next round, so the aggressor really only has that 1 shot to kill otherwise he needs to rerack the pistol. You can train this ( why would anyone though?) and see that its actually "effective" most of the time ( i saw around 70% success rate when sparring, for shits and giggles). Here is the kicker though, no one who wants to kill you with a pistol will ever go point blank. Its specifically designed to work at range, only fools go point blank. That is an intimidation tactic , so the perpetrator is after something. As long as its not rape , its money or worst case its human trafficking ( yes its a real danger in 3rd world countries). But This kind of move has worked in real situations and is trained in CQC by special forces for a reason ( again, why train for this if youre not SF? ). And yes its easier to get a gun out of someones hand if he doesnt use both hands. And if he uses a 2 stage trigger its actually reliably possible to evade the first shot if aimed at center mass. This is because the one who acts first doesnt have to go through the full OODA lopp ( observe-orient-decide-act) He only needs to act. The one with the gun actually needs to observe first orient himsels and decide to kill and then act upon it. That might sometimes take up to a second. The more trained and ruthless the criminal , the shorter this OODA loop will be. UF pro did a nice video on it with a great experimental setup kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5DOZaqPp91mgNE Again , follow metatrons advice here and never risk your life for money. But if it was me in this 0.00000001% chance of this happening, and the result was me getting executed, raped or used for human trafficking i would rather know this than not. ( im a 240lbs , trained bald hairy dude , so again why would anyone traffick or rape me? lol) But yes these kinds of videos give people the wrong idea. What i find more infurirating are the "knife disarm" videos. Those scenarios are way more likely, and people need to understand that they will get stabbed, no matter how good they think they are.

[@BooDamnHoo]

Great timing. Just a week ago an ex US marine in a convenience store showed us all, in real life, how to defend against a gun. He was awarded a medal by the city and wore a "Let's Go Brandon" shirt during the ceremony.

[@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447]

you're are completely correct about not trying to fight: that's one of the things i loved about the nat geo martial arts/self defense shows, they always say that fighting should be a last resort at the beginning and end of each episode

[@RichardRenes]

Thank you sir for bringing some sense to this world. Money isn't worth dying or killing for. 'Instructors' like him tend to forget that robbers or muggers already are very nervous when performing a robbery... they will shoot at the slightest, and you will never be quick enough to dodge anything that comes at you at more than 300 km/h at point blank.

[@SuperTommox]

Why is the gunman always so close? They always show the gunman being as close as possible to the victim while he keeps the gun as far as possible from himself. One hand on the gun of course. Where did they take this scenario from? Do muggers actually get in this dumb position? If you have a range gun, why would you get so close? Why would they hold the gun with one hand?

[@praevasc4299]

Similarly with hilarious "knife defense" tutorials, where the attacker with the knife starts really far away, takes out the knife, holds it high in the air, then runs towards you, giving you ample warning. That's just stupid, no one will attack you with a knife like that.

[@aphidamas1]

I understand your frustrations with these kinds of videos but I really think you should reconsider your statement of saying they shouldn't be allowed. If you ban bad self defense videos you will inevitably ban good ones as well. How will the censors differentiate between them in the first place? Sounds messy to me. Rather than censor I believe the correct path for these things is seen in, ironically enough, this very video.... minus the calls for censorship. Correcting a wrong statement is better than erasing it, even if it is deliberately wrong for nefarious means. Heck, if they were banned we couldn't laugh at them.

[@LuxisAlukard]

I watched a video where Krav Maga instructor (really big, strong guy) said "When some points gun at you and asks your money - give them your money". And the part where he shows how to disarm is much more realistic then in these videos. Thanks, Metatron, for this great video!

[@solinvictus1234]

From "Krav maga" to "dead amigo" in a blink of the eyes.

[@gamernoob1615]

I’m my opinion the best defense against a gun is to carry one yourself. Shoot first and ask questions later. That’s how I was raised and thats how my kids will be raised.

[@otomafra3533]

Maverick

[@NihonNiv]

'Murica!

[@yomauser]

How can you shoot first if the other guy shoot you first?

[@theamericancristero7390]

You do realize that from an open holster without retention, 1.5 seconds is considered a good draw right? The Tueller drill or "21 foot rule" was codified on two averages: Takes the average man 1.5 seconds to cover 7 yards with a knife from a standing stop, and it takes the average cop 1.5 second to get one round off from the holster.

[@bigguy7353]

Sure, if you're in a situation where after you have assessed the complete threat and taken a safe position and then bring your fireafm into factor, ok. Not when you're holstered and someone has the drop at close range.