Metroid Prime 4 Beyond BIG time jump..."CONFIRMED??"

[@Ruleof2Review]

Buckle up, y’all! This one is a crazy, dense these to break down so I hope you’re ready. Share what you think about the timeline!

[@Ruleof2Review]

More Prime 4 videos in the works! New theories and concepts are constantly developing the more I look through the footage and re-analyze my thoughts. Hope you’re as excited as I am. 🤘🔥

[@KiddKyle67]

I think Sakamoto's quote is more referring to that he doesn't take the prime games into consideration when he makes his games and stories. So I doubt this game will deal with any plot lines related to the main series. I personally think it just takes place after federation force and that Sylux has teamed up with the space pirates to clone the Metroid that he got in Federation Force.

[@2musicSoundtrackfandom579]

​@@Ruleof2Reviewbut it doesn't still make sense that it happens after Metroid dread even when Sakamoto said it himself that the Metroid Saga is over that means anything that has to do with it that's including mockdroids and the chozo their history the villains regardless where they come from non-canon or Canon what really matters is that it's over so it could not happen after Metroid dreads since Metroid Saga and anything that has to do with Metroid is over

[@2musicSoundtrackfandom579]

​​@Ruleof2Review and personally for me I I hope that it never takes place after my Metroid dread if Prime series was considered Canon

[@evermillcreek]

Isn't the logo an event horizon?

[@EarnestGamer]

I just have to comment on a couple things. 1.- the events of Super Metroid are immediately after Metroid 2 RoS, Samus takes the baby Metroid from SR388 straight to the ceres research station orbiting Zebes, where Super Metroid begins. 2.- The only reason people theorized Super Metroid takes place in 20X7 is because back in the 90's (yes, its been that long) they didn't know about all the events from Metroid prime, so people assumed 2 years had passed since the "zero mission" to my knowledge there is no official year setting for any Metroid game except for NES Metroid "zero mission" (2005 officially), and this one (20X9). 3.- After Other M Space pirates are effectively eradicated from the galaxy, or at least their organization. 4.- The reason the galactic federation sent Samus to eradicate the Metroids in SR388 was because, prior to that, Metroids were being studied by the federation, up until now we didn't know why they suddenly deemed them as "too dangerous", but the events on Metroid Prime 4 may shed some light on that, making it the perfect segway to RoS.

[@PBody54M]

Regarding comment 2, the year 20X7 wasn't just a theory made up by fans. It originates from a Japanese promotional VHS for Super Metroid from 1994. Whether an obscure supplementary material from 30 years ago is still canonical is up for debate (and may or may not be answered depending on what happens in Beyond), but that's a different story. Additionally, Federation Force explicitly states that it takes place in Year 20X6 during its intro cutscene. Therefore, when going by official materials, the confirmed Metroid timeline thus far is: 20X5: Metroid / Zero Mission 20X6: Federation Force 20X7: Super Metroid 20X9: Beyond That is, of course, assuming that "X" is the same for all four years. One fan theory suggests that 20X7 could still take place after 20X9 if 20X7's "X" is greater than 20X9's "X"; for example, if 20X7 is 2097 while 20X9 is 2089. But I digress.

[@EarnestGamer]

@@PBody54M So it does! I looked for it here on YT. It says "Cosmo. 20X7", so going by that promo ad then, it means either, they're gonna restructure the timeline, or Prime 4 may at least have a chance of taking place after Super Metroid but definitely before Fusion. Why? Both Gunship Adam, and her post fusion suit. In Metroid Dread we saw the suit in the middle of self repairing, but its shape and coloration are very different, showing the permanent alterations suffered when she underwent surgery because of the X's infection. Such changes aren't present in Prime 4, indicating they haven't happened.

[@EarnestGamer]

​@@PBody54MSo it does! I looked for it here on YT. It says "Cosmo. 20X7", so going by that promo ad then, it means either, they're gonna restructure the timeline, or Prime 4 may at least have a chance of taking place after Super Metroid but definitely before Fusion. Why? Both Gunship Adam, and her post Fusion suit. In Metroid Dread we saw the suit in the middle of self repairing, but its shape and coloration are very different, showing the permanent alterations suffered by the X's infection. Such changes aren't present in Prime 4, indicating they haven't happened.

[@DarkLink1996.]

Well, anything taking place after Beyond would need to have the bigger X. 20X0

[@EarnestGamer]

@@PBody54M It does indeed, I found the footage. So that means either they restructure the timeline, or Prime 4 happens after Super Metroid, but definitely before Fusion, because the alterations to her suit were a consequence of the X parasite, and that changed her suit in Dread.

[@IamCanadian3333]

I'll point out too that Tenabe has stated that a potential concept he would love to institute in Prime 4 is a two world mechanic similar to Prime 2's Aether/Dark Aether, but instead of two dimensions, it would be two different time periods that Samus can jump between. That could potentially further confirm the "post-Super Metroid and beyond (no pun intended :P)" theory/speculation. Also, yes, the Prime series is absolutely canon to the mainline series, the whole "Sakamoto said otherwise" has long since been debunked. I'll point out too, that was actually one of the big reasons why Sakamoto included Ridley in Samus Returns and why he still had some mechanical-implementations. He said that was intentionally a call-back to Meta Ridley and meant to help maintain continuity between the mainline series and the Prime series.

[@ORLY911]

I loved Ridley's fight in that game. I know people get a bit annoyed with Ridley being that Bowser/Ganon effect but a good fight makes it worthwhile. We got a break from him in Dread and probably 4

[@TheSpeedOfVideo]

I think I agree with the theory of a time travel plot line. The Metroid series has shown time again to be very consistent with the gunship design dictating when in the timeline it takes place. Prime Hunters having Prime 1’s gunship, Fed Force having Prime 3’s gunship, Super Metroid having Metroid 2’s gunship and Dread having Fusions gunship. So the only way to be in the post Super Metroid timeline with Prime 3 and Fed Forces ship is through time travel maybe through those portals seen?

[@ORLY911]

though Prime 2's ship is the same as Super's and II's, so that is a case of a ship appearing at a different point in time, so its entirely possible for her to swap ships, i would presume she has a hangar for all or some of them.

[@wyvernfx]

@@ORLY911 i think it was stated that the ships from prime 1, 2 and 3 are the same ship, just modified and tuned over time. that or at least the prime 1 and 3 ships are the same

[@kyurei4478]

The only exception to this is Samus Returns having the Prime 2's gunship and not Prime 3's gunship.

[@elementaltreon512]

I hope they considered adding the speed booster

[@zachgordon]

It's so massively exciting to finally get a new metroid game on a home platform, especially considering the dry spell that the series has endured. I'm glad to see my favorite game series get a new entry.

[@mezcalexander1271]

I found you about 8 years ago and when the direct dropped I had to jog my memory of your username. KZbin SEO keywords helped me get here. Glad to see you saw Wednesday.

[@wrosebrock]

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[@virtual_feather]

Doesnt super take place immediately after metroid 2 with samus delivering the baby to the ceres station?

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

Yes

[@kyurei4478]

So does Other M right after Super.

[@CameronStubber]

This will be between OM and Fusion.

[@INSAne_DrUNkard]

@@CameronStubber The Space Pirates were effectively wiped out in Super.

[@Quackra]

@@INSAne_DrUNkard The race itself wasn't though, and this could just be Sylux's own faction that happens to have mostly space pirates.

[@ArmaBiologica35]

Other M starts by saying that the galaxy has been at relative peace since the destruction of the space pirates in Super Metroid, so Prime 4 can't take place between those games. Samus doesn't have the Fusion or Dread suits in the trailer so I don't think It takes place after those games either. I think it's posible Prime 4 takes place after Other M but before Metroid Fusion.

[@easyegg9760]

This is true, I practically forgot everything about Other M besides liking Ridley’s design. I do think it could be very possible that Sylux created his own new faction of space pirates

[@jamesrobinson4197]

I have a problem with this whole 'the inclusion of Mochtroids must mean Prime 4: Beyond must take place around Super' argument I keep seeing. It would be like saying that Other M is a sequel to Fusion since, Metroid Fusion came out in 2002 and that introduced Adam into the Metroid games where as Other M a game that came out 8 years later actually showed him off before he died. When in reality we know that Other M takes place before Fusion, considering he's dead when Fusion happens. If anything, it's actually good world building to have Prime 4 happen before Super since, Samus can easily dispatch them in that game because she would have had experience battling them in Prime 4 Beyond. As for the whole Super takes place in 20X7 argument, that comes from an old Super Metroid commercial in 1994, that's the only time I believe that date has ever been mentioned. I wouldn't be surprised if Retro simply didn't know about that commercial to begin with. But, there's a time jump after Federstion Force, I believe that game takes place in 20X6, so there is a 3 year gap between that game and Prime 4. Unless Retro forgot when FF took place. It's very telling to me that Prime 4 takes place after FF and before Samus Returns because of 3 things: Samus' design, taken from Prime 3 and FF Samus' ship, taken from Prime 3 and FF The massive Pirate ship we see in the beginning, that was taken from Prime 3: Corruption. Having this game take place after Samus Returns, Super and Other M would do a massive disservice to the Baby Metroid storyline of those three games. Samus also mentions that the baby was the last one, she mentions this in Other M on a few occasions, Sylux still having one after that game would again take away the baby's importance to the series. I know I must have come as negative of this video in this comment. I do apologise, this is like maybe the only time where I actually disagree with you. I do enjoy your Metroid content a lot. I do hope Nintendo can clarify this timeline issue quickly.

[@Hatchet2k4]

I have to agree with you, while we can definitely make it work after Super/Other M it just would feel a lot better if this game was still in the same group as the rest of the Prime games. This could even be the event that forces the Feds to decide that Metroids have to be exterminated. It's just that pesky 20X9 date.. but who knows, maybe it actually means the game takes place 8 years before Super. We could definitely use a lot more official dates without any X in the way, for people to be able to make sense of the timeline in a more casual fashion. Something like a Metroid Historia would be so nice!

[@jamesrobinson4197]

A Metroid Historia? I would buy 10 of those. You raise a good point about how Prime 4 can link into the Federation's choice in killing the Metroids for good in Metroid 2. Having Prime 4 take place after Other M just needlessly complicates the timeline.

[@ultrawinggaming9764]

I believe a simple timeline solution is that the X in 20X9 means "Any Number goes here" so Super Metroid could take place in Galactic date 2087 while Prime 4 taking place in Galactic Date 2079 for example.

[@jamesrobinson4197]

You're not wrong there, that is also a possibility. However, I feel that that is too far big agap between games mainly because of Samus herself. She doesn't seem to have aged a lot throughout the entre Metroid series. If I had to take a guess, she's in her late 20's by the time Zero Mission happens and in her early 30's by the time Fusion happens.

[@Shadiiko]

​@jamesrobinson4197 I think she was 18 in the manga When she went back to zebes. She was 15 when she got her suit

[@N.i.E.M.O]

I really doubt those Metroids are supposed to be Mocktroids. It's probably just a new design for regular Metroids. I highly doubt the writers behind Prime 4 are as deep into the series lore as we are. There's a good possibility that this game is just a direct sequel to Prime 3 (and Federation Force) and ignores trying to 'fit' into the greater Metroid mythos - essentially putting the final nail in the coffin for those theorizing/hoping that the Prime games are still technically a 'canon' part of the 'main' series, and isn't just some alternate universe. Hope I'm wrong though!

[@Quackra]

Prime has never not been canon and Samus Returns shows that. We know that Sakamoto's interview was mistranslated into making people believe that it wasn't. Every game is canon to a single timeline, it is just we have to look into the script of each one in their original language to know where each game is actually placed. We know that the Majority of the series takes place between 20X5 and 20X7 because those years cover Zero Mission-Super though Prime 4 definitely takes place after Other M with how everything is set up.

[@Fatigue-Lost_AirBassist]

Its still possible that sylux developed those mocktroids during federation force and SM spade pirates harnessed them. Also, those mocktroids also sorta like like Tallon 4 metroids

[@JM2theB]

I think it’s possible that this opening scene takes place not long after prime 3 and federation force and then after this opening mission the time jump will occur.

[@nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh777]

I am so fucking happy its finally here.

[@samusaran11]

9:54 Super Metroid literally takes place right after Metroid 2. Samus delivers the baby Metroid and leaves Ceres Station then after she departs the Space Pirates attack with Ridley and take the baby Metroid back. She says she barley got past the local asteroid belt before getting the distress signal.

[@ilianceroni]

Yep, and Other M is right after Super, as it literally has the ending as first cutscene and Samus recovering after the mission as tutorial, so the “narrative arc” is literally from Samus return to Other M in mostly a couple of months.

[@kyurei4478]

So the best option left is between Other M and Fusion then.

[@JLam_990]

If there’s a time travel element to this game as is heavily speculated it could easily take place at the end of the timeline

[@Insert_Bland_Name_Here]

If Sylux is teaming up with Space Pirates, does that mean we might get to see Weavil as well? He was supposedly a Space Pirate bounty-hunter, and one of my favorites from Prime Hunters in terms of design, so I'd love to see him as well in Prime 4...

[@thcookieh]

Everything is possible

[@kyurei4478]

I'd like we could see the other ones again. They had potential and cool designs I think. And now they all know each other. It could also provide some cool help to Samus, similar to Prime 3. A theory popped in my mind earlier. What if we would travel in the Alimbic Cluster again to continue the Hunter storyline around the Alimbic race? That could explain the Beyond title. Maybe the Alimbics could become another important race in the lore.

[@dreadGodshand]

I didn't notice they only had 1 nuclei either. I think we didn't notice because we were so stunned from what we were seeing that we missed some details.

[@RuleTime]

I still think it would be cool if they let us see Samus’s eyes behind her visor! I like seeing the emotion she had during cutscenes!

[@tombystander]

The content is flowing like wiiiine. Let's go

[@Ruleof2Review]

More to come!! 🍷

[@nightshades7620]

​@@Ruleof2Reviewplease bring as many videos as possible about metroid prime 4, even if it's just to speculate. This is exciting times, we have to enjoy it! 😃😃😃

[@alexbobic81]

I think Metroid Prime 4 is after Prime 3 but has time travel elements and that’s why it’s called Metroid Prime 4 Beyond! I think that’s what we see in the logo. A time travel portal!

[@the.bloodless.one1312]

I heard in a vid this week that apparently Tanabe said in an interview years ago that he wanted to make a Prime game with Sylux as the villain and with time travel being the main mechanic. So I have a feeling that’s what we’re getting, “Beyond” and the logo fits well with a time travel theme to me, plus that end part of the trailer you see a portal behind Samus that sorta looks like the portals on Aether. I’d imagine those can be time travel portals. If this does turn out to be true, there’s always the possibility that opening in 20X9 is a time travel. But I doubt that. I’m imagining that’s the opening of the game and can’t see how they’d factor in time travel to the opening. 🤷‍♀️

[@jasperl180]

Would be an awesome mechanic to time travel. Forth or back in the end it doesn’t matter, much lore to discover. Kinda hope we get to see a part of TallonIV

[@js100serch]

Does color blindness also affect contrast and brightness?. Because the background is not dark at all, it is gray smoke with the orange glow from the fire and the nuclei is has a dark orange tint. We can perfectly see the nuclei because the membrane has a blueish tint that allows us to see inside. What color are you blind to?

[@Ruleof2Review]

It’s **absolutely** does. It affects a ton of elements of vision and color-distinction that non-colorblind folk could never really think of. I had to strain just to distinguish how many nuclei were visible in those mochtroids.

[@The_circular_square]

In my mind, if this takes place right after prime 3, Sylux would most likely have to be totally defeated since he doesn’t show up later. If they reintroduced him later on in the timeline I feel like it would feel a bit messy. My personal feeling and hopes are that it takes place right after prime 3.

[@Adam-ru8vq]

The only in-game mention of a cosmic year is in federation force, which says 20x6. Everything else is too old/promotional material. So all we really know is this is 3 years after Federation Force.

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

20X9 doesn't mean it takes place after 20X7 I think the confusion people seem to have is that they don't get X is just unknown, not a specific year Wich is why some people claim Federation Force has a wrong date, as both it and Zero Mission are said to take place on 20X6, Both can take place in 20X6 as one could be 2056 and 2066 and still be represented with an X in the same spot

[@Ruleof2Review]

You’re definitely not wrong. I still think we can overall take it at face value and just follow the flow of years: 20X5, 20X6, 20C7, 20X9, etc. I think that’s why Nintendo chose to include the year in the trailer. However there is an overarching lack of consistency in the naming of years. Which I why I mentioned several times that anything is possible currently and more information will give us further clues. This is just what we have to go on right now.

[@lazer8776]

EXACTLY

[@lianaverwood9810]

That is Correct, but *the Evidence from other Titles* also suggests that _Prime 4_ takes place within the Same 10-Year spacing as _Federation Force,_ proven to be around _Prime 3_ in the Timeline. This would place _Prime 4_ Three Years after _Federation Force,_ which would be *enough Time for the Space Pirates to use Sylux's stolen Metroid's DNA to develop fledgeling controllable Clones of the Metroid,* but in a much Weaker Form: *the Mochtroid...* *Samus' Age is another reason* that games can't be Seperated too Far Apart - she's already within her 20's around _Zero Mission,_ and wouldn't be over 40 by _Fusion._ Thus the Existing Franchise needs to Occur *within a 15-Year Period,* with _Dread_ finally giving *a reason Samus* *_(and the Series)_* *could persist Longer than that!*

[@hyperknight0337]

This game is looking soooo good from what we've seen so far

[@artisanjames182]

A quick shootout with space pirates in a canyon, a quick scan, a quick morph ball bit, Sylux, a new logo, a new environment, and a release window... the perfect teaser... next time we see the game it will look even better!

[@zell6423]

Mocktroids show up in the prime hunters btw. So that point is moot. Plus the "time skipping" may just be a phenomenon on that specific planet (because of the portals and stuff), not that the ENTIRE game itself takes place post Super.

[@sushi2131]

yeah I think people obsessing over the year lol. which is genius because it has fans talking about it.

[@selanaireoceanglory4611]

❤ Its possibly Sylux looking to takeover and ridding Samus by going back in time, Beyond could be anything at this point, its an endless guess.

[@jasenko84]

So I get your theory on the timeline placement but get this. Look at her gunship, it’s the same as Metroid Prime 3. Her gunship in Metroid 2 and Super Metroid is the same. We see that same gunship at the beginning of Metroid Fusion but it gets destroyed in the crash, and she gets a new purple gunship, which that ship follows Metroid Dread, because it has the AI for Adam in it at the end of fusion. Based on that alone, I’d say this still takes place before Metroid 2. But that’s just my theory, for all we know Samus may have a space garage with her favourite rides and she decided to park her Super Metroid ride for these Prime missions lol

[@artemiosandoval2032]

I could think of the two ways MP4 could take place after Dread, maybe there could’ve been medical advances at that time that allowed Samus to be able to wear her old varia suit again? Two, she could’ve stored away her gunship from Prime 3 and then went back to using it. Because if we notice which gunship she crashed in Fusion, it was the one from Prime 2 through Other M. She could just have multiple ships.

[@benjilee329]

I'm a huge fan of this idea about the multiple gunships. Her gunship design changes often, but through the decades. I think what's happening is different artist-designers are changing it saying, "we're gonna make her ship look better than before." But somewhere along the way Nintendo decided to make her ship design a canon situation. They haven't really explained the reason for the differences other than the name of the ship building yard. Which is mentioned in Echoes I think; can't remember the name of that location either.

[@homebrewGT2]

The 20X9 they gave us at the beginning of the trailer it has EVERYTHING to do with them telling us, this Metroid is probably the next cannon!

[@Pablo-ny5mp]

That's what I thought; why else would they give us the year? also, I think the logo itself is a big spoiler for the plot.

[@Mr.Foxhat]

​@@Pablo-ny5mpDon't most Metroid games give you the year?

[@Pablo-ny5mp]

@@Mr.Foxhat Not in the first look trailer as far as I know

[@ravenebony2267]

It should be after Super if nothing else.

[@dreadGodshand]

This game is set between federation force and metroid 2.

[@blakefenslerjr4858]

Think they will remaster prime 2 and 3 before prime 4 comes out?

[@JohnnyBoy8089]

I hope we get a phendrana drift snowy section in this game. Cant fkn wait for mp4

[@inasuma8180]

i suspect it's after Other M. It makes the most sense to me. But it does leave a narrative gap for Fusion's intro/catchup.

[@chuckec]

The only source for Super Metroid taking place in cosmic year 20X7 is a Japanese commercial for Super Metroid from decades ago. An official source, but possibly outdated. That said, I really like the idea that Beyond takes place after Super, which is a huge change for the Prime series.

[@exactly1176]

When do you think we will get Metroid Prime 2 remastered ?

[@Hatchet2k4]

Have not fully watched this yet but here are my thoughts: If there is a time jump, after Other M / before Fusion makes most sense to me. One issue I have with it being after Super is that with the Metroid being stolen by Sylux, the Federation can't exactly say that Metroids are exctint, they would have at least known that one was still missing somewhere..

[@Ruleof2Review]

I like where your head is at. 😉

[@benjilee329]

I would hate that idea though. I personally want Beyond to be a continuing story after Dread.

[@Hatchet2k4]

​@@benjilee329I think we may get a Prime game after Dread eventually, but I greatly doubt that Beyond is that game. The big clue as Rob points out is the gunship and suit style. I am guessing that at some point something will happen to the Prime 3/4 gunship to destroy it, and so Samus has to go back to the one she uses in Prime 2/Metroid 2/Super! Which we know also gets destroyed at the start of Fusion.

[@wrosebrock]

​@Ruleof2Review what she said 😂

[@FaZeredemption3]

What if we arent tho. what if, the game takes place RIGHT after 3, but we jump forward to the future to 20x9 via these portals, what if we are chasing sylux into the future. kinda like a reverse avengers endgame situation.

[@kyurei4478]

I thought about it too. He could actually be at the origin of some important events. What if he's the reason why the Galactic Federation started acting weirder and weirder? We don't even know if they know who Sylux is. That would make for a super major plot point for example.

[@virtualpellot933]

@@kyurei4478 Well since Prime: Hunters it's been implied that the GF more or less knows that Sylux stole some experimental equipment like the armor and gunship he uses. His identity however is another story as no one has ever how he looks without the mask, let alone his armor (or in theory perhaps the GF could know his identity but they kept it a secret. Who knows. I guess we will have to wait an see).

[@kyurei4478]

@@virtualpellot933 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The GF knows Sylux stole their equipment but it doesn't necessarely imply they know the identity of Sylux. He could run shady things in the background under his real identity if he's a GF member and do his bounty hunter missions on the other to slowly corrupt the GF and take control over the galaxy. If Prime 4 takes place after Super, he could be the one who ordered or influenced the decision to replicate metroids in Super and Other M. Now it's said that he hates the GF but there is probably no better way to make it fall when you don't have the advantage. And it's certain the space pirates would accept to work for him if that were the case. Of course this would have major implications. That being said, I'm not saying I believe this is the actual story but I think it would be an interesting one. Yeah, I guess we'll see when time will come.

[@xamorus]

Maybe its merely an esthetic thing. But Ive always taken issue with the ship change in Prime 3. Prime 1 and 2's ships are the same as Metroid 2 and 3.

[@juanrecio5862]

I believe that what we saw in the trailer was a prison break! If you gather the clues it's very possible. All that ruckus and manpower to break Sylux out because they keep failing to clone the Metroids but, here's the reason, Sylux is the only one to have not just DNA but an actual live Metroid for the space pirates to perfect or even start breeding the Metroid. Oh, this story is gonna be good!

[@BIG_B0SS]

I forgot where, but I saw someone say that the metroids in the trailer were Talvanian metroids from federation force. I've never played it myself but in the Secret ending cutscene there is a Metroid with what looks to be only one nuclei. The one Sylux supposedly stole. Wouldn't that be more likely? kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5jSdKltr951jbcsi=hcdYxHMQaTLSeDHm THIS is fun! Metroid is back baby!

[@ezrato]

A couple of things to consider (although I do still think this takes place after Super Metroid)... - Just because it's set in 20X9 doesn't mean that it takes place after Super Metroid, simply because SM is set in 20X7 - if the "X" is meant to be a placeholder for a digit, then for all we know, Prime 4 could be in 2029, while Super Metroid could be in 2037, almost a cosmic decade later. - Kinda unrelated, but a weird thing I noticed is that one cosmic year is meant to be 225 million earth years (at least in the Milky Way), so I'm not sure how exactly Samus is living across several different cosmic years. Although maybe the "X" place holder denotes a decimal point with a whole lot of digits following it, making the final digit in 20X9 a measurement of something shorter than a cosmic year.

[@MetroidGX]

One thing to point out about the timeline years is that 20X5 is Metroid/Zero Mission, but Metroid Prime takes place 3 years after. 20X6 is when Federation Force takes place and states that "several years" have passed since the events of Prime 3. The years 20X5 and 20X6 are described as "cosmic years" which could differ from an earth year. A cosmic year may be a couple of years in length each. A bit of an oxymoron, but makes sense when you are trying to date the cosmos's revolution (if it has one?) compared to earths single revolution around the sun.

[@ll_koolio]

Never knew you were color blind @Ruleof2Review. Just curious, does the color coded scan elements in Prime 2 & 3 make it harder to distinguish what needs to be scanned?

[@Exoneos]

Game takes place between Super Metroid and Other M.

[@theterribleclaw4285]

Look if Prime 4 does take place after Dread then why does Samus have her OG Power Suit it was destroyed in Metroid Fusion so why would She have it now?

[@MH72077]

The Halo influence is beautiful.

[@ParaplegicKeanuReeves]

As long as it doesn't destroy the franchise like Halo has done to itself 💀

[@MH72077]

@@ParaplegicKeanuReeves (X) Doubt.

[@SkinnyGaming81]

Maybe Sylux was following Samus all over these years and Prime 4 events are taking place far BEYOND Dread events.

[@johncrislack3854]

The big question is about the lore, will they continue to be intermediate fragments of history, will they take a step to turn it into an alternative story line to 2D or will they take the step of reaching or overtaking 2D?. Shakamoto acts like he "tolerates" Prime, but doesn't care as long as it doesn't bother him, it's just an impression. I think Nintendo would really like a natural evolution to 3D like all its franchises and for Prime to be the main Metroid saga.

[@nightshades7620]

I hope that Metroid Prime will take a direction of its own and be able to evolve regardless of the 2D series. Now is the time for the series to start evolving, as it was with Mario and Zelda as well.

[@michaellane5381]

The main Metroid Saga ended with Dread, our next Saga will like as not involve no Metroids. It would be interesting to see a Prime/2D mixed trilogy but if a 3d takes over I expect it to be called Metroid "x"(x being a number) or Metroid 3d rather than "Prime"

[@Spore_Spawn]

Sakamoto has been the one holding the series back honestly, he needs to go before the series can truly move on from the shadow of Other M and his bad fanfiction self insert Adam

[@N.i.E.M.O]

Sakamoto would be pissed if Prime ever became part of the 'main' series. The only reason we got Meta-Ridley in the Metroid II remake was because MercurySteam came up with the idea and Sakamoto allowed it (probably because he doesnt even know about Meta-Ridley and just thought MercurySteam came up with it on their own). On the other hand though, Retro seems perfectly content with doing their own self-contained story that, while 'grand' in scale, can be easily ignored when compared to the 2D 'main' series canon. The two series don't really reference eachother much at all, outside of some surface-level stuff. And while it is nice to know that officially, Prime is *not* some 'alternate universe' that's non-canon to the 2D games, it's a shame that there isn't much of a real connection between the two. It really is bizarre that the events of the Prime games, which features a galactic-scale war against a radioactive planet that uses the Space Pirates to do their bidding, would not be referenced in any way I the 2D games that take place later (at least, the games that were made after Prime, obviously).

[@michaellane5381]

@@N.i.E.M.O until Fusion gets a remake that is still actually ONLY 1 game, Fusion was made long before Prime 3, I think it predates Prime 2 as well and those were the 2 Prime games to really feature the war, honestly not even sure how much Prime 1 was made when Fusion released.

[@edwardhofer2429]

If Sylux is the new leader of the space pirates does that mean no more Ridley?

[@ClassicEntertain]

What is with Sylux’s Gunship follows Samus’s Gunship at the end of Prime3?🤨

[@supremefankai5480]

The amazing about thing about the timeline is that with it being so vague there's a lot of empty space for any of the games to easily slot in. These theories are fun to discuss.

[@Ruleof2Review]

100% agreed! There are actually quite a few possibilities at play. This is the funnest time to be a fan.

[@supremefankai5480]

@@Ruleof2Review I just subscribed because I want to hear more, the algorithm just recommended you, crazy how I've never seen a video before. It was og Prime back in the day that made me a Metroid fan so 4 finally coming brings a tear to this old timer.

[@CanuckIV]

It's not possible at all it would take place RIGHT after Prime 3. The beginning of the trailer says Prime 4 takes place in Cosmo Year 20X9. Super Metroid takes place in 20X7. Which means this game will take place 2 years after Super Metroid. Prime 1, 2 and 3 take place before Super Metroid. Which you figured out. So yeah not right after Prime 3 but after Super Metroid based on the cosmo years between Super Metroid and Prime 4

[@speedinginthemania]

14:06 I would say it takes place right before Fusion and Dread due to her powersuit and gunship designs. However, I can see it after Dread as well. As her "powersuit" was in a "healing" process during Dread. As for the change in gunship, it could be just to match her powersuit for the future of the Metroid series on Switch 2 and Beyond.

[@clingmarbleprod]

Sylux is a future version of Samus. Calling it.

[@ourfamilyaccount]

I had noticed that Sylux body appearance looked more humanoid than I assumed beforehand. It's a neat theory.

[@SuperSavajin]

Her Varia Suit recovered from Fusion to Dread to look more like her old suit. So I think with time her suit recovered to look normal again after Dread. And her new suit in Prime 4 does look slightly different then her Varia Suit does before she gets infected by the X so I think the theory that it plays after Dread is very plausible.

[@brianstafford8852]

The lights on samus' suit is similar to the lights on the varia suit in dread

[@ORLY911]

its built a lot more slimmer than previous Prime suits too, so in line with the more slim approach of Other M/Dread

[@Spoogitywoogums]

I'm still writing up my stream talking points over the trailer but I do wanna say in the Sakamoto Dread Interview he did say that in Dread her suit is regrowing itself, and the Prime 4 hud looks a bit like Dread's from the cutscenes so it could actually take place in the future. BEYOND the current timeline where her suit is fully recovered and all the pirates have are dollar store metroids

[@MrMindCloud]

It wouldn’t be too big of a surprise really. It’s a follow up, in a way, to federation force. We know FF takes place after prime 3, and due to the ending, it’s also thought to take place after Metroid 2. Prime 4 taking place right before or right after 3 makes sense.

[@robertandruw7647]

Im glad we have 3 metroid games in the switch lifetime. And you never know they could shadow drop metroid prime 2 at the end of this year.

[@ilianceroni]

Other M should be right after Super Metroid, has it starts with the ending of Super Metroid and Samus recovering after the mission and being still grieving the baby Metroid’s death. The scientist even comments he cleaned every trace of dirt from the suits and Samus thinks those where the last traces of the baby Metroid, hinting at the recovery of her (remember, the baby Metroid is a Metroid queen, so “she”😂) DNA from the suit, so definitely in the immediate aftermath of Super. As I said in the previous video, I think MP4 is AFTER Other M but BEFORE Fusion, as we would otherwise see some trace of the Fusion suit and the ship with Adam in the trailer, if the event of Fusion already took place. So Metroid are officially extinct, but literally every faction is secretly trying to clone them. Of course, the suit could be still in transition after the vaccine and absorbing a SA-X (so between Fusion and Dread or even after Dread) but that wouldn’t be as satisfying for the fans as it would came out more like an excuse than anything else. “Oh, we didn’t forgot about the different suit, it’s just that in the changing process it happened to became exactly like in the previous games”. Technically it would be correct (especially considering the ending of Fusion, where the Samus model became exactly as the one in the beginning and for the SA-Xs) but not satisfying. Moreover there would not be an explanation for the ship not being the violet/blue one. On the colour blind thing, I am not color blind, but I took a screenshot and modified the red and green alpha channels to get an idea. I can see a colour blind person not seeing it’s only one nucleus😅

[@KoalaTContent]

8:00 While I'm not color blind, if I squint in that scene the nuclei become significantly less clear compared to the mochtroids and Sylux's silhouettes

[@chrisjohnsen8448]

And then when this game comes out, some kind of post credits scene will make everyone go crazy all over again.

[@LEGO_NASCAR]

And then they'll take 30 years to make the next game.

[@danielmunoz1275]

Another thing that makes Prime 4 hard to be after Dread is the fact that the Space Pirates commanded by Ridley and Mother Brain were erradicated after Super Metroid, furthermore their home planet fell in Metroid Prime 3 too. Obviously there can be survivors, but I think it fits better if thos survivors allied to organizations or independent forces like Sylux in this case. By the time Dread takes place, there are no longer Space Pirates as we knew them initially (perhaps Kraid, but it is up to interpretation whether the Kraid we saw in Dread was the og Kraid). So, if Mother Brain and the Pirates developed the technology to make Mochtroids, then by Dread's time that technology is gone, also in Fusion the Federation figured how to clon Metroids perfectly and even accelerate their growth and evolution process. So, if this takes place after Dread, Sylux wouldn't have much trouble making Metroids since he stole one back in Federation Force. So, my guess is that this could take place after Other M, or in between the time Samus reported to the Federation and left, and before she found the Bottle Ship. Personally I'd prefer this taking place after Other M, because the timeline would be wacked, if we had a game within a game. So, I think Sylux just kept surveying Samus during her missions in Metroid 2,3, and Other M. That led him to steal the Metroid in Federation Force, he became the leader of the remaining Space Pirates, which helped him create Mochtroids using the stolen Metroid, and launched the attack we see in the trailer, for reasons we still have to wait to see.

[@successanimation]

I personally wouldn't like it if takes place after Dread because Samus' armor looks too normal without Metroid powers and back with her Prime 3 ship undoing all the progress we made.

[@tableclothcheckered6738]

The time jump is irrelevant to me as it continues the "promised" cliffhanger from 2007

[@Ruleof2Review]

I think that’s a fair way to look at it. Regardless of “when” it takes place it is just nice to see the Sylux trease being delivered upon. That said, I’m personally **extremely** interested in the timeline. 😂

[@kyurei4478]

It's totally possible and makes sense to happen after Federation Force. Although if it does it creates some problems of continuity with Super because why would the space pirates need the baby metroid if they already can create mock-troids?

[@SAsaiyajin]

​@@kyurei4478maybe to create more of them...

[@kyurei4478]

@@SAsaiyajin But they could already do clones. Why stealing another metroid then? Having one more wouldn't change the amount of time the cloning process takes. Doing the same thing 2 times also sounds like bad writing.

[@HoDKenji]

MP4B can´t play after Metroid 4 (Fusion) and Metroid 5(dread) cause, Samus has her regular Varia Suit and not the fusion suit which she got after the OP on her cause of X parsites. BTW. The Object which is carrying away by the reseachers in the trailer looks like the icon of Beyond.

[@johnjackson9751]

Didn’t her suit go back to normal after Dread?

[@Hatchet2k4]

​@@johnjackson9751it went back to Dread's version of normal, yes, but never back to the classic style.

[@groudonor12]

​@@Hatchet2k4 also Sakamoto confirmed that the classic Varia Suit will return tho eventually

[@Hatchet2k4]

@@groudonor12 could happen of course, but likely we will see that in a new 2D game first

[@warriorseamonkey1693]

I noticed the Mochtroids right away on second watch (because I was freaking out too much during the initial reveal that I actually somehow missed Sylux)

[@ngantnier]

Just finished the remaster and it was exactly how I remember it as a kid. So many memories. I hope they release echoes and corruption remastered before peime 4. I never played corruption.

[@benjilee329]

I feel like this game will chronologically take place after Dread. Sylux may have been cloning Metroids during the Fusion/Dread period and found a way to resurrect Prime.

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

Why? Prime is it's own sub section They're not going to step on the toes of the mainline games, not mention Samus post fusion looks completely different

[@virtualpellot933]

I don't think this is after Dread as Samus is not yet using the Fusion suit. In fact chronologically at this point, Fusion hasn't happened yet and Fusion occurs some time after Other M.

[@ORLY911]

I would speculate it's right after Super Metroid, arguably, it could be well after Dread, nothing says Samus doesn't keep a hanger full of all of her ships, and her suit designs are mostly stylistic choices based on the game (other than Fusion and dread, but after the events of Dread she might rather put on one of her old suits).

[@clug3r]

i desagree with the suit and its after dread simply because tanabe in a interview way back at 2015 said he wanted to focus on sylux, focus on a single planet (as we see in the trailer), that same planet focused on a time travel mechanic like Echoes again (as we see at the end of the trailer there is a portal most likely a time travel device) all this is hinting out samus arriving in her ship in that GF facility when she meets sylux breaking that wall a fight will happen samus will lose againts sylux and he will send her back in timeline in that same planet looking like a deserted jungle (we dont see structures,doors,etc. Only a portal as im guessing she will aquire that same device sylux used on her at some point. imo that is my theory so far. And one more thing im guessing is weavel appearing in prime 4 since he is the only one in prime hunters that makes sense to hunt down samus along side sylux. (the story designer of prime hunters didnt elaborated more about when and where samus and him fought) maybe in prime 4 he will be a foe you can fight and scan him to reveal more info. perhaps he as well was sent back in time by sylux to hunt her who knows.

[@10191927]

The only issue with it taking after Dread is Samus isn’t in her fusion suit, and her classic armor was gone absorbed into the SA-X. Granted she recovered a lot of her abilities but in Dread she has her fusion look, Prime 4 this is still classic Samus with her power suit, so this has to take place either before Super Metroid or before the events of Metroid Fusion. I’d wager this takes place between Super Metroid and Other M, definitely not after Fusion or Dread since she doesn’t have her fusion suit. Judging by the ending of Prime 3 and the ending of Federation Force, I’d say Prime 4 may take place pretty quickly after 3 concluded. Unless we get a revamped timeline that’s more definitive for each game, then we’ll know for sure. Otherwise it’s a wait and see.

[@izvnvgi]

Don’t forget that since this is after super, Samus is under the impression that metroids are extinct. Time traveling could be a thing cause sylux is tryna go back in time to make a Metroid queen or Metroid prime that’s imprinted on him for the present time?

[@Pablo-ny5mp]

I disagree with your take on the suit, since by the end of Dread the suit is almost recovered from the events of Fusion...it could be that Prime 4 takes place way after Dread. The ship, however, is a tricky one. I don't understand how this design fits into the timeline.

[@virtualpellot933]

It is true that suit was regenerating but still the shape became somewhat different than how her suit looked before Fusion.

[@kyurei4478]

The suit looks different mainly because parts of it are still exposed but the first upgrade makes it look more similar to her original Varia suit. Although there is another problem with this which is that at the end of Fusion, Samus' suit reversed back to orange again but at the beginning of Dread it's blue again.

[@Pablo-ny5mp]

@@kyurei4478 Nope, it's orange. It becomes blue after Raven Beak takes away your abilities 😉

[@kyurei4478]

@@Pablo-ny5mp Yeah, I know that but that's not what I meant 😅. After Raven Beak takes our abilities away it becomes blue while Samus' suit at the end of Fusion is more fragile than this blue one but was already orange, so reverting it back to blue when she's weakened when her previous weaker final suit from Fusion was already orange is a bit weird.

[@kalwars78]

About the chronologie, samus returns take place in the year 20X5, less than a year after zero mission. The first 3 metroid take place in the same years Source : (for the "20X5") Metroid samus returns universe trailer on youtube and (for the "less than a year") metroid samus returns SR388 Data File trailer on youtube. and honestly it would be totally stupid for a spin off/side story to take place after the last main game.

[@Radiocactive_garlic]

Have you considered when the event of that trailer takes place ? To me it is possible that we are only seeing a flashback of one of Samus' encounter with Sylux. I think we have to remember that most of the people are completely unaware of who Sylux is. So they maybe had to fid a may to re-introduce this character to newcomers. Then again we have the mention of the year 20x9, but does this mean that the game is going to take place in that era ?

[@davebradshaw3188]

I hope we get some nice amiibo

[@RedBlueSpot]

Is it before Other M or after Other M? After Super Metroid all Metroids was gone. The Space pirates had to start over and probably kept on working with the Mocktroids project. In Other M the Federation had some Metroids in the hidden sector on the Bottle ship, but in Prime 4 it seems that there are only Mocktroids.

[@easyegg9760]

I feel like the 20X9 is very deliberate. I’m aware that Super had the 20X7 in like one ad so it could be questionable, but there’s no chance Nintendo didn’t know this. At the least, it sparks discussion, but my guess would be it takes place after Super. Ideally, I’d like it to take place after Dread just so that the timeline can continue

[@NTFSK03]

I like the idea of time travel. But again, I think the year 20X9 is based on "approximate" dates you see in some cosmic calendars (Metroid database for example, placing it just before Samus Returns). Putting it in the range of Post-Super Metroid or Other M makes it all become really muddy imo. But we'll know once the new footage is shown. Its an interesting theory for sure.

[@dis_inferno9173]

There's a problem. After Super Metroid all Space Pirates were gone for good. Last Metroid died in Super Metroid. In Other M Samus in shock that GF cloned Metroids from Baby Metroid's DNA. So, this placement in the timeline of Prime 4 is super bizzare.

[@arthritis1999]

Those were Mochtroids next to Sylux not Metroids. Also the Space Pirates weren't gone for good, they were just shattered as a organized entity. Which means someone like Sylux could, for all intents and purposes, be an authority figure the remaining Space Pirates rally around considering how the federation wiped most of them out.

[@matthewsimmons9277]

Prime hunters ending…

[@matthewsimmons9277]

Ummm according to manga the space pirates are wiped out prior to fusion. Ergo post other m.

[@kyurei4478]

I think we can't really take Samus' reactions related to past events seriously in this game though. We know how she reacts to Ridley 😅.

[@dis_inferno9173]

@@kyurei4478 you just don't understand the context of this scene. Other M was mistranslated and in original script this scene makes sense, while in English localization it comes out of nowhere.

[@Phantom-ev]

I would like to point out that at the ending of metroid prime federation force (the one with I believe a certain requirement) sylux is seen hatching a metroid so it could be that after super metroid sylux couldve gave the space pirates his metroid for makeing machtroids for the space pirates to obey sylux sorta of a deal also I don't think it's after metroid dread and fusion because of samus' power suit still looking what it does before fusion (yes I know in dread her suit is healing but what im trying to get at it doesn't look organic like fusion or dread but I am willing to be wrong)

[@RunePonyRamblings]

I think it's pretty clear that Beyond takes place not long after Federation Force. Samus still has the same suit and gunship as Prime 3 and Federation Force. Federation Force's secret ending had Sylux stealing a baby Metroid (probably what these Mocktroids were cloned from). The Space Pirate battleship is also from Prime 3. I think the events of Beyond will lead into the events of Samus Returns. Explaining why the Federation suddenly decided that Metroids needed to be wholly eradicated despite them existing (and being weaponized) for years by that point.

[@kirkfoster2673]

Hey Rob! Exciting times!!! I just need to know if I should be playing 2 and 3 on my pc, or if you think they will be released on switch soon. Maybe you can make a video discussing?

[@Luigifan305]

Let's run down the list: 1. Zero Mission is 20X5, and Federation Force is 20X6, but we already know from various official sources that there's a 3-year gap between ZM and MP1, a 6-month gap between MP2 and MP3, and a "several year" gap between MP3 and MPFF, meaning that MPFF would be a whole 11 years after ZM, with MP1, MPH, MP2, and MP3 all taking place between them. This also shows that the 'X's in these dates don't all represent a specific shared number, and are only there to create ambiguity. 2. According to an old commercial, Super is in 20X7, and Samus Returns leads directly into Super, so that's most likely in 20X7 as well (unless the New Year began while on her way to Ceres Station, in which case SR could technically be set at the very end of 20X6, later during the same year as MPFF). We don't know how much time passed between Super and Other M, but based on what Samus says, it seems like no events involving Metroids or Space Pirates happen during this period because people began forgetting about them. 3. The manual for Fusion states that it's been "many years" since Samus wiped out the Metroids on SR-388, and in general, the smallest number that "many" could refer to is 5, so it's been at least 5 years between Samus Returns/Super and Fusion. One source claims it's been 8 years, but that could just be a meta joke referencing the games' irl release dates, so take it with a grain of salt. Also, there's zero indication about when Dread happens, but considering Samus' suit is still healing, I imagine that it's not TOO long after Fusion. 4. Finally, MP4 Beyond is now confirmed to take place in 20X9, and we know with 100% certainty that it's at least 3 years after MPFF. (could also be 13 years I guess, but I kinda doubt Sylux would wait that long) Based on all the evidence, it seems highly likely that you were right about it happening between Other M and Fusion, at least so long as they don't retcon anything. Based on what info the game itself ends up containing, it's possible that they might ditch the date of 20X7 for Super in order to place MP4 before Samus Returns. To be fair, Other M does make it sound like the last of the (non-clone) Pirates were wiped out for good in Super, even though they're present in MP4. Tldr: Based on current info, MP4 probably goes between Other M and Fusion, but a retcon could make it fit between Federation Force and Samus Returns instead.

[@Jawmax]

I like to think Beyond is after Other M, from a story telling perspective its good because Other M and Fusion have very similar element so Beyond being between the two can give some space for the rouge element in the federation to start up their Metriod projects again.

[@xportaleerx9287]

Thematically, there does appear to be a strong flavor of possible time travel going on. However, if we're sticking with actual scientific theory, you can only travel to an existing point in time (past), not one yet to occur (future). That being said, MP4 obviously takes place at least after Super Metroid, and my hunch is that Samus travels to the distant past; perhaps the lush green planet. I've got a feeling.

[@audreyholmes9751]

Should it really be called metroid and not Metroch if metroids as a species are through?

[@bi1151]

Lo que creo es que el 4 sigue directo la línea de tiempo del 3, el diseño de la nave y de los piratas lo confirman. En este momento aún Samus no había destruido los metroides en RS388 y el Dread aún no sucede, teniendo como trama final que la propia Samus es ahora un metroid, se ha convertido en lo que ha estado luchando desde el inicio.

[@xXDexter3000Xx]

if time travel is actually involved its actually very likely that this takes place in a timeline where super metroid and metroid 2 havent happened and the game woll end over two years in the past, rewriting the timeline and setting the stage for metroid 2 and super metroid. tho personally, i find it to be more likely that this game takes place before metroid 2 and the “x” in the years is simply a placeholder, thus placing super metroid almost a decade after this game.

[@5h0ckblock]

In regards to Samus ship, Other M has the design of Prime 2's ship. This same ship is destroyed in the beginning of fusion. Now I'm not saying prime 3 is suddenly after fusion, but rather its likely Samus simply has more than 1 ship. If prime 4 is before fusion or even before other M, then we should see it destroyed during 4, meaning she goes back to her prime 2 ship. On the other hand however, if prime 4 is after dread, it would mean she simply chose to dust off her old prime 3 ship and use that for this mission. Can't be between fusion and dread because fusion suit. Also correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Dreads ending show Samus lost the X and Metroid dna's attached to her? I thought the two got canceled out and she reverted to normal. If so it would mean she could once again wear her classic suit.

[@_ch1pset]

If we are concerned with the consistency of the gunship, we really need to discuss how it changes between Prime 2 and Prime 3 and how that would fit between M1 and M2. Super Metroid's gunship is the same as M2 and Prime 1&2. Prime 3 and Prime 4 have the same gunship. I don't think the theory that M3 is in 20X7 necessarily means Prime 3 takes place before M2. The gunship is the same between Prime 1, 2, M2 and M3, but different in Prime 2 and Prime 4. I don't think the suit gives any weight to any theories one way or another. We were told that the power suit was permanently altered in Fusion's prologue, however, we learned in Dread that the suit is regenerating and we have no idea what a fully regenerated power suit looks like. We must accept that Nintendo has retconned some things.

[@SubDUex]

I mean, we've got a black hole event in horizon in the logo, what's to say there's not an element of time travel or displacement happening?

[@AshkarBehek0]

The Space Pirates as an organisation are destroyed after Super Metroid. Planet Zebes was hosting the last of their operations. Metroid Other M states that people's "recollection of Metroids and the Space Pirates grew nebulous overtime" refereeing to the time passing SINCE Super Metroid. If Prime 4 is to feature Space Pirates, it cannot take place after Super Metroid without causing a timeline conflict. And as others have pointed out, Metroid 2's ending leads directly into Super, there is no breathing room between the two. No matter which way you look at it, what we saw in the trailer is already forcing the game to take place immediately after Prime 3/Fed Force and before any post-ZeroMission 2D games. If the whole year 20X7 thing from that commercial is still canon and Retro timed Prime 4 accordingly, then we have a problem.

[@Guarrow]

I think I saw what you meant about the mochtroids even before you mention it in the video Like, I was thinking that maybe they have 3 cores but it's just hidden, placed on the back where it's darker. But I also feel like it would have been much more obvious and visible if they really had 3 so ...

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

10:13 Why? If Sylux was working with the Space Pirates, The Pirates probably just learned to make Mochtroids from Sykux

[@LovelessDogg1]

The existence of Mochtroids could also just be part of the reason why they needed to rid the galaxy of Metroids acting as a stopgap setting it after Super but before Return and Fusion.

[@PixelPikmin]

I think it’s probably after Other M. If it was after Dread, her suit would have a lot of white on it to show her suit has healed more than from Dread. The mochtroids are probably provided by the space pirates, as they made them in Super.

[@njfox3305]

Its possible Samuses suit fully healed after Dread but I say this is before fusion but after other m. I think this prequals the prolog to fusion but its unclear. The only way we can tell for sure is if Samus has her metroid powers but we'll see.