Why Plants vs. Zombies: Battle For Neighborville Failed

[@MewZe]

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[@hiranpeiris877]

no

[@Yellowdude-hy6vi]

Can you change the title because I played It

[@hungariancountryball2928]

Ok

[@abdullahalmahanna8241]

Hey MewZe you have to please put some of the same plants and zombies but in different games for example, taking the engineer zombie from the first game where it had like the drone in the second game it was literally basically peashooter’s mini gun and battle for neighbor Ville basically, when do you go next to it it will shoot by itself, makes your shooting weight faster, and it regenerate your ammo by itself I also forgot that to tell you that every imp in plants vs zombies two every imp have different mech with their different health, attack and abilities

[@mineturtle2]

​@@abdullahalmahanna8241 sock

[@mrbigrig171]

Please be more respectful… my uncle died in a gang shootout in Neighborville

[@Rapgod3hoursclean]

Uncle was a victim to the neighbourville hood 😭 🙏

[@PlatinumGaming67]

Dang... Do you know what the gang was called?

[@faisalloay2807]

What?

[@yanni730]

@@PlatinumGaming67 the 47 Kernel Krips

[@compassrose1466]

@@yanni730 THOSE SEEDY BASTARDS POPPED A CAP AND POPPED SOME CORN WITH YOUR UNCLE IM SO SORRY 😭

[@SUPERLEAF026]

Even if Battle for Neighborville is a mess, I must admit that it had some good ideas in it. For example, Giddy Park. I think that large centers where players can interact with other players is something that garden warfare needed.

[@arikomart7209]

Yeah, it would be a dream if it was in GW2 or even GW1

[@swiftie762]

Okay what other good ideas

[@arikomart7209]

@@swiftie762 I guess that's it

[@SUPERLEAF026]

@@swiftie762 ehhh...uhhh..urrr..Acorn was fun....ummm....Arena mode....ehh

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

@@swiftie762Here’s what I could think of: -Upgrades and builds were a good idea, and legendary upgrades were literally just variants. It just needed a lot more to work fully. -Arena mode being an outlet for a proper competitive mode was great, they just butchered it by removing the ladder and nerfing it to a weekly event. -All of the new character classes are fun to play as, and actually took advantage of the fact that BFN had no variants. -The different physics I liked, but I wouldn’t say it’s superior to GW2. -Faster-paced gameplay I quite enjoy -Fights feel a lot less one-sided in BFN, because GW2 feels like as long as you can get the jump on someone, you will win 80% of the time, provided the opponent doesn’t have some form of cheese. Anyway, even if I don’t like all of these changes and still overall like GW2 (by a sizeable margin), I can’t help but admit BFN had “good” ideas.

[@R8MIX]

I love how almost all the footage was from the Story mode/offline mode, because very little people are actually playing the game

[@Right_Bumper]

They had to add AI backfill due to how small the playerbase is

[@R8MIX]

@@Right_Bumper I know, I had to deal with it!

[@CruzCrafter]

The game actually has a pretty diehard fanbace if your playing on the switch

[@R8MIX]

@@CruzCrafter Oh, that’s nice!

[@fastfire4553]

I take that as an insult because I kinda love it

[@Sculler14]

Fun Fact, The Crossbow Zombie Has A Glitch That Lets It Levitate Over Giddy Park From Spawn That Was Never Patched :]

[@FortSewerRat]

I did that yesterday and fought three cactus at plant spawn

[@Sculler14]

@@FortSewerRat Based

[@astro_nut]

Tbf that glitch also makes you extremely slow making you a rather easy target so it’s kinda funny.

[@saihiko9967]

Coughs in doing it at least once,

[@SirHenryBartholomewJiggleNuts]

Also you can use this to exploit the dancing minigame

[@Geezer5572]

The biggest reason this game failed besides variants is the fact they tried to make it like a team fps like overwatch but what made garden warfare 1&2 so good is that the game always felt like a big brawl between team

[@rng_riot]

I actually like this style more and my childhood was garden warfare one I played for hours a day

[@samuelantoniocastillomeza5034]

The "Subtle Foreshadiwing" sign like it was a cartoon made me laugh more than it should.

[@Stitched_up]

That was a good gag 😂

[@PlanetSamix]

I found a loose copy of this game on the switch in a Walmart parking lot, alone and in mint condition, and I still didn't even take it

[@Megajaybreaker4]

Then you’re stupid. just because it’s not as good as GW1 and 2 doesn’t make it bad.

[@sus-floppa]

Thats craz wild

[@enriquealvarez6145]

Could of sold it for 5 bucks

[@ScuttleBugReal]

Crazy Dave.exe was in that copy. Good job, you survived

[@Mr.Eggthreal]

Bro that’s crazzzzzzy. But I can’t blame you for doing it

[@vitordoesstuff1805]

"What did they do to Citron? HE LOOKS LIKE THE ROBLOX MAN FACE" LMFAO I JUST REALIZED THAT

[@fortheburbsandmemes7419]

I never understood why they had to remove the little glasses he had

[@Dr.jerk1357]

Hot take: he looked ugly before and he looks ugly now

[@אלוהים-י8ו]

No it looks like something you haven't gotten used to seeing yet because you're used to the old game

[@Henrys-shorts]

Why did they give him a machine gun the laser was better😢😢

[@fortheburbsandmemes7419]

@@אלוהים-י8ו I’ve proably played bfn more over gw2 an still find it more weird why they removed the glasses. Citron is suppose to be a cool loooking bounty hunter not some general garden variety bounty hunter. It removes that unquieness which is strange since all the other bfn charcters are super expressive except maybe the wildflower or tv head which have a general exercise cause there suppose to be minions.

[@Yaviel580]

That switch up is wild 💀

[@hakuizunami6421]

Even if unintended that is a little bit of a pun to the fact switch got battle for neighborhood switch it up with switch battle for neighborhood

[@TaylorMAston]

From a visual perspective the game is beautiful and clearly had SO much work put into it, but the character design department is kind of lacking imo. I like the stealth mushroom though that's pretty cute. Also, the abilies/weapons in terms of game design are REALLY cool.

[@astro_nut]

Personally I prefer the artstyle of the GW games but the BFN artstyle has its merits.

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

BFN absolutely NAILED the natural environment and lighting, but the character design and more urban areas didn’t feel very PvZ-like to me.

[@ovite1240]

The redesigns are a bit controversial but the animations are farrr better than gw2

[@astro_nut]

@@TwilightChomperEnthusiast I think it is fairly PvZ like generally I just prefer the artstyle of the first two games. They severely toned down the zombie environments in BFN imo while GW2 absolutely nailed them.

[@astro_nut]

@@ovite1240 Idk about that, BFN has some funny new gestures though I guess.

[@Hey1mJay]

Here's some information to clear up some misconceptions in the video. Garden Warfare 2's major updates were cut early in late 2016 and in early 2017, development on a Garden Warfare 3 began. During this time period, EA looked at the monetization scheme and variant system and streamlined it by switching from a Sticker Shop (loot-boxes) to Rux (Item Shop), and turning variants into upgrades. Due to the game not having upgrades and playing differently from Garden Warfare 2, PopCap renamed it to Battle for Neighborville. The game itself was going to have more marketing but nothing happened with it. It had multiple leaked release dates, like December 2019 and January 2020. There was an unused tie-in event with Garden Warfare 2 where you would log into the game to get special content in Battle for Neighborville.

[@Otterlier]

“Some” the entire video is just gw2 baiting and hearsay, he clearly hasn’t even attempted to engage with the mechanics, he calls the upgrade system “confusing” despite not having even a single upgrade unlocked from the footage provided

[@Adamko_10playz]

​@Otterlier i think people that hate on bfn are just mad pvp wasn't the main focus, therefore they didn't play it and the game got discontinued, im sure given enough time bfn could have had both amazing pve AND pvp

[@winterwolf712]

I’m actually glad BFN wasn’t named Garden Warfare 3 because it would have tarnished the Garden warfare name

[@Adamko_10playz]

The reason it sucked in your eyes is because the pvp was imperfect like gw1 and 2 was, now tell me is hating on a game because they tried to focus on pve on release and improve pvp in the later updates which never happened due to unnecessary hate

[@BigDaddyKnez]

Maybe it’s just me, but the game just looks worse. Not just the change in artstyle, but it looks way too bright and giddy. What made PVZ so unique was its zany nature mixed with an unnerving touch of rigor mortis. Here, that is just gone edit: apparently rigor mortis is just when the corpse stiffens lol, so replace that with just “unnerving post apocalyptic aesthetic”. Shoutouts to @devking321 for being the educated hero we all deserve

[@Ccubed92]

You just yapping

[@2diefor]

GW1's style was the best. I dunno why they made the characters look like plastic toys in GW2.

[@BigDaddyKnez]

@@Ccubed92 😐

[@eltipo3men2]

@@2diefor Certainly got worse with each game. I still think in an ideal world, we have bfn’s gameplay fine tuned with the aesthetic of gw1. Perfection that will never be had

[@SpaghettiLover5598]

Yeah I agree it’s way too bright and giddy park

[@Bun_bunny195]

Yeah apparently alot characters were planned to be added in this game,each character have unique gimmicks and even elemental characters were planned to be added in this game aswell as adding more legendary upgrades (which are the same as varients) to switch up playstyles,this game would have became better if they didn't discontinue it and still developed it but sadly none of was planned made it to the game thanks to Popcap,EA and the community You look good by the way

[@thundrr1929]

Ah yes, they gave the corn a shield. A great variant. They gave rose an automated projectile. A great variant.

[@NdaloNkqwitha]

@@thundrr1929 Bro you clearly never unlocked the legendary upgrades

[@crud5237]

I think that this game had serious potential. The added mobility makes the game feel much faster than having to slowly move through the backyard battleground and the pvp maps, and it can make every fight feel like you have more control in if you win or not than compared to gw2, at least in my experience

[@ReadyplayeroneYT]

I unlocked the secret characters pretty fast, If you just complete like 2 story missions you should have enough.

[@GNVS300]

*sigh*... PopCap put the microtransactions in, NOT EA. And besides, you don't NEED to pay for the three new characters, you can unlock them with coins and rainbow stars, which are not hard to obtain. EA screwed over this game by cutting off its support right when it seemed like there was hope but the microtransactions were not their fault.

[@CelestialCitron]

BFN isn’t bad, people are just comparing it to a perfect game.

[@adamnetski7887]

BFN isn't bad. Its nowhere near the masterpiece that is GW2 but its not bad.

[@Haiku3603]

Stop lying

[@felipekane9611]

@@Haiku3603 Bfn is actually good just not as good as Gw2

[@Haiku3603]

@@felipekane9611 maybe if it wasn’t clunky and half the abilities wouldn’t vanish randomly

[@felipekane9611]

@@Haiku3603 That never happened to me tbh

[@Haiku3603]

@@felipekane9611 it’s happens all the time with acorn and oak the sap shot with straight up disappeared or never detonate

[@weewoo3577]

it’s such a shame this game never picked up it could’ve been so good

[@rng_riot]

Fr it's sad I really like this game I'm probably going to start playing it again

[@Adamko_10playz]

If they had kept updating it then it could've been amazing, they really just needed to add an alternative to variants (or completely replace upgrades with variants) They already had plans for adding legendary upgrades that were similar to variants (meaning they change the bullet you shoot and slightly alter your abilities) It's really sad ea gave up on bfn because fans couldn't accept the fact that bfn tried to focus on pve

[@natedawg1114]

The point of the upgrades is you’re supposed to make your own variants.. for example vamp flower and rainbow flower are upgrades for sunflower.. and since you have cosmetics you still have creative freedom to make your plants or zombies look however you want

[@sirrunsalot]

Why would they get rid of variants..... it's what made the game so unique and fun

[@superbrainz2357]

I heard it was because of the engine/artstyle changes and that was the feature the devs cut to save time. It also sucks they got rid of the alt abilities and made them worse to play against upgrades. How am I suppose to know that spike weed is vampiric when it's the same model??? In bfn it feels like they went the overwatch route and made it to where you have to play a character one way instead of gw's more generalist everyman playstyle. Like engineer but want an automatic weapon? Boom here's mechanic. Want a more offensive cactus? Boom bandit cactus. Gw2 made even more unique variants by combining attributes like piercing and fire damage on captain flameface or ice and range for yeti chomper. The variants acted like tf2 alt weapons in that you get to try something new but with a class your still familiar with that leads to a lot of replayability. The best part is that even bfn recognized this lack of variety by trying to hastily add the legendary upgrades and associate them with certain outfits. "See guys it's just like variants"! Variants are just one problem of many bfn has but there's a reason it's a pretty darn big one.

[@LostxArmy]

It def could have worked. It's crazy how dense pop cap is tho. They needed a lot more characters and upgrades at launch to make it work. With each element from garden warfare as a playable on each team as well.

[@seymentheboss5194]

It's most likely ea thinking about their pockets

[@zeethenecromancer]

It baffles me people genuinely believe the reason BFN was shutdown was because the community bullied the devs into quitting...when it's been known their funding was cut due to poor sales for years...

[@enderdudebruh8270]

its both the community and the devs who are at fault lmao

[@zeethenecromancer]

@@enderdudebruh8270 The community? Not particularly, more like their marketing team BFN got one bit of advertisement and it was the announcement trailer...on the day of release.

[@Mobking20]

Im not here to start rambling about this as a BFN fan, but the main point is that this is NOT a GW3 as GW2 was perfect enough and trying to expand on it would be waste of more materials then just updating GW2. The most common thing is I see is when people talk about GW2 its always new varients/maps and it doesn't expand or give off a new feeling that GW2 has. That's what BFN tried to do, it gave the game actual teamwork and not some solo warfare gameplay, they gave more opinions for players to fight PvP, PvE, etc. The upgrades are basically variants but you make your own, and allows you to make your own playstyle and not being limited while giving almost every upgrade a purpose while some GW2 and GW1 variants are too broken or so bad no one uses them. So BFN fixed all those problems but no one likes change and that is ok. Lastly, the art style for the game feels like pvz as its always been goofing through the games, ads, and comics. They made it like that to make it feel like PVZ and even giving social interactions with text bubbles and giddy park to connect everyone compared to how isolated GW2 is.

[@eltipo3men2]

This. This is it. This is EXACTLY what happened.

[@chichibooxd4793]

The real problem is EA dropped support so fast.

[@sages101]

I think they pulled the plug because the fan base cried so hard about no variants that they were like. Ok you get nothing 👍🏻

[@GreenDeemonll]

Battle for Neighbourville gets too much hate, while it deserves criticism, EA deserves all the HATE!

[@pitu6091]

tbh is not that bad, but gw2 and gw1 are just 100 times better

[@Megajaybreaker4]

This is what I can agree with. Popcap did something different, and people hated it for little reason besides that “it wasn’t GW2”.

[@rt73x]

That is exactly what I have thought since they stopped updating it, if it wasn't a pvz shooter then it wouldn't have done so bad.

[@BornAgainBrother]

It’s ok, but bad in comparison

[@Gunther69420]

If it wasn't a pvz shooter it wouldn't have any players to begin with

[@fabiaaquino2207]

I actually buyed neighborville 1 year after it came out full price irl,with the box and everything. Since i knew gw2 i trought "welp the sequel may be good aswell" And then the dissapointment came..... And it hitted like a truck. I was 10 at the time,so i was stupid and yeah,guess i paid the price....

[@EQOAnostalgia]

Buyers remorse. . . first time?

[@nicolascifuentes1318]

0:04 this guy doesn't know it was for pc at first.

[@IAmUnderscore]

Yeah that was not a strong start to the video whatsoever

[@ovalsquare]

Yeah…

[@Yourfat247]

@@nicolascifuentes1318 the popularity started and rose on mobile bruh

[@sinner3877]

Man I love your GW content and I am happy that you get sponsors. Good Job man👍

[@astro_nut]

Ngl I actually loved the PvE regions in this game, it’s the multiplayer and ops that I find to be the main downgrades compared to GW2. I think this game is decent but could’ve been so much better if it was just GW3. Look up PvZ 3 if you wanna see probably the most horrendous fall-off of a beloved franchise of all time, shits literally just a Gardenscapes clone and that’s it.

[@CosseWasTaken]

I saw the bow from the 80s action hero and the way you explained it made me say "I've seen this before" before the splatoon flashbacks came flooding back

[@Du11Moss]

Isn’t snap dragon basically fire chomper

[@jubal6654]

It is

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

Not quite… they play COMPLETELY differently. Even the primaries are different, despite being visually similar.

[@binbagbeanie]

@@TwilightChomperEnthusiast oh my god it’s twilight chomper

[@bradleycortes9161]

​@@TwilightChomperEnthusiastHey buddy, stop tryna be Unicorn Chomper

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

@@bradleycortes9161 👍

[@sageanimations2463]

I really hate the fact that i would prefer gw2's lootbox variants than paying 1 million coins for 3 characters

[@Adamko_10playz]

Earning 1m coins isn't even hard, Do the story mode Also in gw2 we had the exact same thing with the goat zombie and torchwood except it was worse, torchwood took weeks to obtain while these 3 take a few days at most

[@trinitroid7893]

Ever since they patched Acorn's Sticky Sap Trap, he can sometimes be a mixed in certain situations. I remember how busted this ability is, and it can deal incredible damage during the early days of this game... and then there's Space Cadet Seriously, despite being Space Cadet lacking long range abilities, she is more capable in dealing with any plant, including Acorn and Oak, where she can easily wipeout the entire squad with her Space Station, especially when she is attacking from above (and has a ton of health and dps).

[@eltipo3men2]

Yeah, but her main primary fire outside of station is lacking in every department. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Reload is slow, fire rate is below average, damage is only decent, projectile speed is relatively slow, all “justified” by homing, as well her abilities being either kinda to literally trash without upgrades, and as good is the station is, it’s still slow, large, and vulnerable without passengers.

[@tiredjay3000]

Bfn actually still has a large player base, surprisingly. Almost all of my lobbies were full.

[@wk8637]

I got the game today and waited for 30 mins in an empty lobby so I came investigate

[@angelor9211]

Yeah it's just main issue being the pvp game modes are the only ones being played and the remaining players are pro's at the game

[@BucketIHead]

Its all filled with bots

[@zombiecrusher]

@@BucketIHead nah

[@lookmar10]

This is weirdly enough, my favorite PvZ shooter… No wonder I have no friends :(((

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

There are enough fans that like BFN. This is just not the right video for you then, as it’s clearly intended to attract GW2 elitists.

[@lookmar10]

@@TwilightChomperEnthusiast Oh yeah, I was just messing around. I don’t know why, but I just have always loved BFN over GW2. (Even though I’ve been playing GW2 a lot on PC as of recently) (Oh yeah, random, but I have been seeing your GW3 idea videos, and I just wanna say good stuff!)

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

@@lookmar10 Thank you!

[@wargreninja6704]

from what my sis tells me. The gameplay is phenomonal. its mostly marketing decisions and p2w elements that did it in

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

@@wargreninja6704 Ironically enough, BFN is the least P2W game of the three, as all the paid currency does is give you fancier outfits (which do nothing gameplay-wise), or act as a fast track to unlock legendary upgrades if you’re impatient. GW2 suffers from loot box syndrome and has two paid-only characters (one of which is my channel mascot funnily enough!) Gameplay is subjective, and I can’t decide on which physics engine I like more, but I really enjoy BFN’s snappier movement and faster-paced action. The marketing though, that’s completely on them, and I can’t defend it at all. It just sucks lol.

[@nightmaresans7588]

mewze please free me from your basement along with the 4 children and 2 adults, it's been half a year and we have been living off of rats climbing in the cracks. the escapees so far (discounting me obv): @Ghostsshits, @lindajuarez8724, @jairocantu9777, artthur8856, @funtimeryan2, and @Sammypoop_xr5iw!!! idea suggestors (during capture, not after) : @arikomart7209, @Hack1nator edit: WE ESCAPED!!!!! we trained the rats to open the cracks and make walkable hallways via dog treats mewze left above ground!!! what now guys?

[@arikomart7209]

Dude the window is open, you can just exit the basement from there

[@Hackinator]

@@arikomart7209 the landmines will get him before he gets a foot away from the house

[@arikomart7209]

@Hack1nator the have enough stuff to build a mine remover, MewZe threw out some electronics there that are enough

[@nightmaresans7588]

oh wait rly

[@arikomart7209]

@nightmaresans7588 yeah, just make a mine remover and escape

[@Nicksolvo]

On the sponsor, I tried a similar service and it automatically took me out of ZERO services, it just gave me steps on how to do it and what to email and what not. Some of them weren’t even accurate, so I’m not won over by this, and neither should you

[@TheEpic_Quagsire]

The only good thing in this game: Foot soldier run animation.

[@xray8012]

A funny note about Giddy Park: TV Head and Wildflower can go OUT OF BOUNDS with one of their abilities, with acorn and wizard needing a bit more setup to achieve this...

[@NeonSqueaky]

So can SB and Deadbeard in certain spots but that's by far the most tame of the giddy park glitches in the game 😭

[@tanethemage4350]

Whenever I started to try to play this game, it was overrun with nightcaps built for regening health instantly and having fung Foo on cooldown, or the same pair of guys sitting in thier spawn and spamming dandelions/ impsicles for the entire round. These guys would pick new players to camp and would CONSTANTLY bully anyone even vaguely engaging them, or would go on server wide pub stomp. Months later, they were still doing it and generally would ruin the experience. There was of course the weird balancing, like making Soldier the worst zombie, and the awful spam of "Every ability one shots you with the world's largest hit box". Hell, the only three Zombies that could survive fung Foo were All star IF You tackled the night cap, pirate IF you immediately jumped into your barrel, and Electric slide if you used her immunity ability. Outside of that, you'd get free kills all day.

[@protoEHP]

As a titanfall fan at least you got a third game

[@superprapu_]

True

[@maxie-the-bunn]

I've recently got it on the Switch and I've honestly been having quite a lot of fun. There's no microtransactions (unless I missed them), so that part is better. This video helped me realize why i like it so much more than others, I've actually always been a single player kind of guy, and I really prefer it to multiplayer. Sure, the story missions aren't anything special, all the main area missions are "collect three things to fight the boss", but every step and the bosses themselves are different in aome way, plus the gnome trials and bounties. Ops and battle chest things kind of annoy me, though. I definitely understand the missing character variations being frustrating, though. I never got to play a Garden Warfare game before, and even I was annoyed that those got removed just from having known about them. I don't necessarily find upgrades confusing, though. But it is garbage that just having played the game longer means your character is better. The art style getting complaints ks something I dont get at all, though. Super Brainz seems like the best example to me, because in BfN, he looks way more like he dies in Heroes, like they just made him 3D. In GW2, he just looks like goofy play dough nightmare fuel- (Rose and Imp still look like crap anyway, though, not gonna lie)

[@MaxDuran-lv1pz]

Bro the Cheeto Chomper part had me dying 😭

[@justq8937]

A way that the upgrade system could've been better implemented would've been to give visual indicators for the upgrades and to parallel the variants in the GW games, that way there could've been builds that would function identically to previous variants or even combinations of multiple variants, making it the system easier to understand and allow making your ultimate load-outs

[@vectinator7605]

They should have followed the Garden Warfare 1 and 2 formula with more stuff, but instead they tried to make this more like Overwatch and Team Fortress. Not only did they remove the class variants but they watered them down to their most basic form. The Snap Dragon was a class I wanted in the next Garden Warfare, but it’s basically just the fire or acid breathing variant of the Chomper.

[@KummerAli-zq9nk]

Seeing the litteral game series of my childhood from gw 1 and 2 just get destroyed by BFN brings tears to me 😢

[@bulletbro4745]

As someone who’s max ranked bfn and is getting close to max ranking garden warfare 2. I’ll give my thoughts. A lot of the problems everyone has with BFN is that it isn’t what Gw2 was. No variants, sprinting, etc… but I decided to look a this from both sides. The thing is that Bfn isn’t garden warfare, it’s in the title that it says it’s basically another spin-off. I don’t think they can make a garden warfare 3 because garden warfare 2 pretty much already did everything. Yeah there’s more characters but they aren’t gonna make Gw3 just to add more characters, Gw2 added so much off of Gw1 and did it perfectly. They really could’ve only made a spin-off from there, but the problem was that Garden Warfare had no support after that. If they wanted to make a spin off, I wouldn’t blame them but the problem is they ditched gw2 for Bfn. That’s a TERRIBLE idea for many reasons, but I won’t get into that. This is where the criticism drew. I say that BFN isn’t a terrible game, it was still really fun completing the prize map and the Pve was honestly really creative. Giddy park (as toxic as it may be) is super creative and can be pretty fun sometimes. However, right now it definitely sucks. They left the game with a drastic meta, and it’s filled with terrible bugs. My take is that BFN isn’t a horrible game, but bfn players have to stop lying to themselves, saying that the game is better than Gw2, despite never having played gw2 genuinely in the longest time. I used to be one of those people and it’s just not true. Sure, BFN had a ton of potential, and I don’t know anyone who thinks that BFN didn’t have potential. The problem was honestly both the community and the developers decisions. If they ever come back to develop pvz games, they’re better off updating gw2 if not both. I don’t really see how a gw3 could fit into the equation anymore, if it even could to begin with. Those are my thoughts.

[@eltipo3men2]

This is basically it, but I will say that while you can say that gw2 is better technically, they are a bit too different in terms of… almost everything to directly compare what’s better especially considering that the game is just not as “finished” per se. And tbh, I think with more skill and teamwork in mind, the game is more balanced than gw2, with maybe a few exceptions…

[@NeonSqueaky]

Honestly BFN is pretty great, as a game its pretty perfect outside of the many game breaking glitches, most of them ones the general community doesn't know about (thank god) and the INSANE lack of balance. People just give it a lot of hate because it's not Garden Warfare 3, but it was never meant to be. It's got very good pve content and actually pretty good character customisation unlike GW2, I genuinely think the upgrade system in BFN is actually way better designed than people give it credit for. I feel like most people shit on the upgrade system just because it isn't variants (and also most of the time because they just suck at BFN).

[@bulletbro4745]

@@NeonSqueaky I mostly agree with you. This brings back to the point that their best option was to support both games, not ditch one for another

[@BradleyStansberry]

Man I remember playing gw2 with my cousins. We'd all play as different imps (best class btw). Loved roleplaying in the offline hub just endlessly chasing each other, it was just a really fun and well designed map. We tried the robot mode all the time although we absolutely sucked at it and only once got close to unlocking a party sticker lol. Good times

[@PuffShroom963]

I think BFN's name might be a reference to the comics (They take place in Neighborville a lot) Also, I quite love BFN, and I like it more than GW2.

[@Peanut_butter-v6i]

Another feature that they removed was invading the enemy’s base, if was one of my favorite things to do in garden warfare 2 but they removed it

[@BryceWhisperer]

Honestly, I actually like Battle For Neighborville. I think it had an amazing storymode and cool new classes. Plus, I actually love the artstyle. However, it's not as good as the style of the other two shooters. There are still a lot of priblems with the game that I do acknowledge. I feel like they spent too much time on making the backgrounds instead of the actual characters, and they removed variants. (I understand why they might've removed vatiants, but I mean it still kinsa sucks. ) Ranking this on a teir list, it's definitely a step down from PvZ GW2 and GW1, but it sould be at least A tier. At least i's better than PvZ 3. (But anything is better than PvZ 3.) Plus, does anybody know what version of the PvZ track, "Crazy Dave" was in the beginning of this video?

[@somaloll]

They honestly did this game so dirty, i remember before this game came out it had almost 0 marketing like cmon ea

[@TheScout27]

HE FINALLY GOT A SPONSER! WOOOO CONGRATS MAN LOVE YOUR VIDEOS THERE SO FUNNY

[@GooieGoobie]

i didn't understand how to play that game, i only knew that there was a tree and i could be a nut and go on top of the tree.

[@mguymario]

IDK why you did not just get the Switch version since it fixes a lot of issues with the game like making it so you can do the battler pass at any time in any order, lowering the price of stuff in the shop, and removing microtractions

[@jubal6654]

Doesn't fix the core problems and imagine playing a shooter with a controller lmao

[@mguymario]

@@jubal6654 It does have gyro support for aiming so it does fix some issues if you are ok with using gyro

[@Megajaybreaker4]

@@jubal6654you play the GW games on mouse and keyboard? WHATS WRONG WITH YOU! How do you even have your hands in a comfortable position!?

[@mmmmmmmmmmmmmMicrowav]

"you should buy a slightly less bad version of the same dogshit game that has zero balance improvements and is locked to 30fps!!!!"

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

@@mmmmmmmmmmmmmMicrowavNot gonna lie, BFN’s character roster was overall more balanced than GW2 characters. The sheer number of characters there are in GW2 is what made up for it! Plus, I love GW2’s slightly BS gameplay. It adds charm!

[@objectivefun5700]

I LOVE the cartoonish vibe sm in this game. Sad that it failed MOSTLY for not being GW3

[@JubbJubb_]

I clicked on this video expecting another one the Danerade & VileHyperion-esc reviews which just say “no variants xddd” and then end the video, but this video actually gave the game a chance and, for the first time I’ve ever seen, treated the game fairly. Also you’re genuinely funny- so that automatically makes you better than half the other reviewers for this game lmao. All I’d recommend is to change the title of the video because it just blends in with all the other reviews. Edit: the title has been changed, W video.

[@kingnukeomega]

I unironically farmed the coins for all the characters and legendary upgrades I had way too much free time it seems

[@playanick1064]

mewzer always makes me whip it out

[@broidkanymore-zc4lt]

never fails to fill me up with all his juicy content

[@TheKaijuKing54]

I'm so happy to see GrubZe return! Even if it was just for two seconds. (He appeared at 1:33 for anyone wondering.)

[@aspabr]

Moral of the story: "If it ain't broke, dont fix it" Just to make sure, if I'm going to play a fps PvZ, the go to is GW2, right? Also that remix at 18:58 if fire.

[@RubyTheYeep]

I think the reason most people hate it is because they’re used to gw, not a (mostly) story game. I honestly like how they made it more story based. It still has multiplayer and that’s honestly decent. My only complaint is the leveling/characters

[@stormingchad5181]

anyone know what the song at the start is i know its a remix of gw main theme

[@MewZe]

I made it!! It’s on my SoundCloud :)

[@stormingchad5181]

@@MewZe thanks love the vids btw 😂

[@personguy6987]

Also what they did to the Garden & Graveyard Ops is utterly despicable.

[@macci47]

Ngl, the way pop cap released the game is similar to how tiny build released Hello Neighbour search and rescue, totally not a plug for one of my videos

[@vypezz2454]

Can we start a petition for a Garden Warfare 4 which is names Garden 4 Warfare and they put all chars inside it with different styles like ice pea, agent pea and fire pea. They put all maps in, give us the packs back and make it good

[@aRandomBingus]

9:32 not to be rude but there’s still cosmetics? I was checking since I remembered I had the game and I have a skin for the imp.

[@Dislikecollector]

Yea but that’s different to variants isn’t it.

[@MBTGG_69]

I actually love BFN, unfortunately there's so many glitches, where sometimes it would Softlock you, and you have to close the software and go back in.

[@NeonSqueaky]

Thank god the general community has no idea about a lot of the glitches in the game because some of them are insane. The few that are common knowledge are really tame compared to some of the techniques and glitches we've hidden from the community over the years.

[@zachpro5475]

2:05 what’s that face in the corner

[@requ1emYBA]

Ive always liked neighborville purely because i can go on the flank, almost die, and regen in 10 seconds and get all my health back and go in again.

[@tristanvermaak1803]

I am surprised to hear so many people dislike this game. I grew up playing all three games in the series and Battle for Nieghborville had always been my favourite of the three. The new classes where amazing and I loved the changes they made to the original classes. They all felt the most unique they had ever felt in the series. I really loved the new upgrade system instead of the variants. To me it never felt like most off the variants changed the way I played a class. The only difference between Fire Peashooter and normal Peashooter is that I now deal less damage than normal, but set a target on fire. The upgrade system of BFN gives you so much freedom in how you want to build a class and genuinely changes the way a class played. Depending on your upgrades Super Brains can be a lightning fast close ranges assassin, or a AOE damage dealer with crazy self healing. There are even unique upgrades that change the basic attack of a class. I understand that people might be worried about balance when you have to play a class to unlock their upgrades, but (at least to me) it never felt like I was unlocking better upgrades. I was instead unlocking different playstyles for a class I love simply by playing that class. The starting upgrades each class gets are also just really good, so I never felt at an unfair disadvantage against higher level players. I can not say the same about GW1 and GW2. You start with absolutely no upgrades on each class and each upgrade you unlocked just made you objectively better than those without it (like faster health regen or a slower overheat). I also really love the amazing single player content BFN has to offer. Most missions are just plain fun and their are a few missions that are downright unforgettable (the Dummy god fever dream mission for example). The single player worlds even include unique boss fights and there are a lot of secrets and collectibles to find in each area. The online player count is low, but in my opinion the single player content alone makes this game worth grabbing when it's on sale. TLDR: The more I think about this, the more I realize I love the tings most people seem to dislike about this game. I'm a little sad that BFN is probably the last Garden Warfare game we are going to get. These games hold a special place in my heart and I really think BFN could have turned into the best game in the series if it got more support. If they ever do make a GW 4, I'm really curious what people would like to be added into the 4th game.

[@propiggaming921]

Bro made a whole essay 💀🤌

[@apaultarter1184]

I agree with about everything you've said. I'm kinda sick of seeing people upset about variants when probably most of them haven't tried understanding the upgrade system. Regardless, I would've preferred the developers to not try something different too.

[@JigjugM]

FOR REAL! I ABSOLUTELY LOVE BFN. THE STORIES ARE SOO MUCH BETTER. I could care less about varieties

[@FadowMar_CZ]

They removed Chomper's backstab ability so NO ITS BAD FROM THIS THREE.

[@Saltsour]

Ngl bfn apologists feel like concord players but born after 2005

[@senatorarmstrong1233]

What pains me is that all of the new characters are so cool. Even Acorn. Imagine if they kept variants and Acorn could combine with other variants to cause some elemental fury. Hopefully someday we get a true garden warfare 3 that adds these new characters and adds more. With variants and the original designs.

[@Probablyhere]

I thought it was alright. Though I didn't play the first 2

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

You should, GW2 is amazing!

[@henrycelin8929]

@@TwilightChomperEnthusiast You should, GW2 is amazing!

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

@@henrycelin8929 Yes!

[@maidlynn15]

im pretty sure the reason for no variants was because they had to switch to a different version of the game engine, which for whatever reason made a lot of the models and such not work and since they had limited time to make the game they had to just scrap them

[@astro_nut]

Engine switch was a part of the problem in the game development but it wasn’t the main reason. They were essentially lowkey rebooting the PvZ series with this game (first instance of a brand new logo, different vibe compared to the previous games with the whole Neighborville thing and a new artstyle compared to GW2 which looks mostly identical to GW1 artstyle wise). They were going for a different monetization system with a high focus on skins and occasional new character class drops (BFN had more classes planned to be added to the game but was cut off short). They could’ve (should’ve) still stuck to the original GW formula had the executives not forced them to do all of this.

[@fortheburbsandmemes7419]

@@astro_nutwell be fair it’s not like they forgot about the variants it’s just in the form of the upgrades one of the games litteral tips litteraly state to use upgrades to make your own variants. That includes all upgrades not just the legendary ones.

[@astro_nut]

@@fortheburbsandmemes7419 That “use upgrades to make your own variants” tip honestly sounds like PopCap coping lol. There is a good chance the devs knew this was a bad idea but were forced to go along with it anyway. Another thing BFN ditched are the alternate abilities like switching out Chili Bean Bomb for Dark Bean Bomb, etc. The upgrade system is not a real substitute for variants. It’s pretty much just a slightly fancier version of what GW2 already has and could easily co-exist with variants (in fact there is a GW2 mod called “Loads Of Variants” which alongside adding what its namesake implies, features BFN-style upgrades for each individual variant).

[@fortheburbsandmemes7419]

@@astro_nut honestly a smarter thing they could’ve done was turned some variants into like full on classes with there own upgrades, abilities but just suit different roles. I’m not saying bring all 100 something variants back. But like for example how imp is more designed for an attack role as a pressure/fear class pylon imp could of done something similar like that but more around a defense like system yk. Also I’m not incredibly faithful in mod’s making something better. My reason for that is cause mods like that can only be mostly used in a PVE “or simpily put player vs bot”. I don’t hate modders and I do respect some of there work. But I do know for a fact that most modders are short sided when it comes to actual balancing and public mods can sometimes put a lot of risk as well to. Take skid-begone for example they made an addon that was meant to counter hackers yet was turned against them when the hackers found an exploit in other words I don’t fully trust there work as similar to Popcap they only see it as solving the problem not what the consequences will be afterwards. In short there ideas are good but they might not be fully 100% perfect just like my ideas to.

[@lunaticbeans8600]

The fact that people love the variants makes sense, but it just annoys me so much. Lets be honest, were the variants ever even remotely balanced? The fact that people prefer unbalanced variants over a genuine try at a more balanced game is just ridiculous to me.

[@yasmincolon1671]

I’ll explain the tv head,his main attack is an alarm clock that shoots discs or tv remotes,his first ability is a respawn anchor that you set on the ground to respawn there,it’s a bucket btw,his second ability is yeti,set,go which is a yeti imp that explodes when you press a certain key(on Xbox it’s RB,and his final attack is overheated dinner where you throw an overheated dinner that explodes and does humongous knock back,if this comment gets 10 likes,I’ll explain wildflower.

[@Speefosh]

correct title: Battle For Neighborville: The Game That The Community Killed

[@astro_nut]

Nah it was cooked from the start PopCap/EA stopped giving a shit about this series a long time ago just look what they have been doing with PvZ 3 and PvZ Match.

[@henrycelin8929]

community killed? lmfao EA killed it with their trash decisions, not us

[@zeethenecromancer]

I'm not sure where people get the idea that the community bullied the devs into stopping, the game had 0 marketing and unsurprisingly sold badly, so EA cut funding

[@astro_nut]

@@zeethenecromancer I think the game was barely even allowed to release honestly. It’s clear that EA/PopCap have decided to turn PvZ from a genuine game franchise into a low effort mobile slop pivot with games like PvZ 3 and PvZ Match. PvZ 2 was a genuine fantastic sequel to the first game but after finishing Modern Day they started dragging it with some pretty bad updates to the point where I tend to recommend people to just go play an old version of the game or a mod called Reflourished.

[@Ferdinand_VonAegir]

All I'm saying about the acorn and space cadet is that there's a reason the z-mech has a cooldown

[@toastypeter]

I might get shot for this but I absolutely love gw1 and gw2 but I personally have more fun playing bfn

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

Your opinion is valid, my friend. I like GW2 personally but I see no wrong in enjoying BFN.

[@henrycelin8929]

@@TwilightChomperEnthusiast Your opinion is not valid, my friend. I like GW2 personally but I see wrong in enjoying BFN

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

@@henrycelin8929 Okay :D

[@tossthetricktrucktrackertr1788]

@@henrycelin8929 Let people enjoy whatever game they want. The world would be a lot more bland if everybody had the same opinion.

[@henrycelin8929]

@@tossthetricktrucktrackertr1788 Let not people enjoy whatever game they want. The world would be a lot more bland if everybody had the same opinion.

[@VacaSuprema]

1:31 i agree with most of this video but... HOW THIS CUT THING LOOKS SCARY!?

[@SlimyCatMc]

GW2 Was best.

[@forestthompson3954]

I still play it to this day

[@CakieCake]

8:53 i’ll sum it up for you. wizard is a character that can shoot Med Range Projectiles, and if you charge it up; bouncy balls around that hit people at the worst possible time, has a curse that drains your health, he has a get off me too and can get into Teamates and becomes a turret. TV head is one of if not the most fun character in the game. He can shoot DVDs from a tv remote cannon, put down a bucket that lets you respawn in a place you put it in, can throw down a tv dinner that works like a mine for a few seconds ( explodes on contact ) and can summon a yeti imp that can do big damage explosion. and also has a melee attack that can be used in a pinch. Wildflower is a Diet TV Head. same primary, same melee, has the bucket but its a pot instead, she has dandelion instead of a yeti imp that is floaty rather than fast ( fast is better ) instead of a tv dinner it throws out something like a grenade, exploding when it hits someone or the ground.

[@rudyr5706]

I remember all those games All Og

[@faisalloay2807]

What does og mean?

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

@@faisalloay2807Original

[@henrycelin8929]

@@TwilightChomperEnthusiast original

[@munguwangu0]

I hate thinking about this game because it reminds me of the dark truth that we won’t be getting another shooter anytime soon. honestly if PopCap had a brain behind any of the execs they would have kept gw2 updating and let bfn truly spread its wings as a spin-off to the franchise to get some power behind the franchise. like imagine if the game got its full potential and in an eventual mainline follow up they get all of the good from both gw2 and bfn (and preferably use gw1 art style) and make that as the true finale of the shooter trilogy

[@Megajaybreaker4]

People when a game isn’t GW: >:( Also, this is just another EA bad Popcap good video from a segment I just saw. you do realize that 1.5M isn’t that much… right? maybe if you had something known as PATIENCE, then you would’ve gotten them

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

I wouldn’t call this an EA bad PopCap good video, but instead a video simply expressing the popular opinion. Unfortunately, said popular opinion involves hating on a game, so it only spreads toxicity within the community which I don’t particularly enjoy.

[@henrycelin8929]

@@TwilightChomperEnthusiast I would call this an EA bad PopCap good video, but instead a video simply expressing the popular opinion. Fortunately, said popular opinion involves hating on a game, so it only spreads toxicity within the community which i do particularly enjoy.

[@Megajaybreaker4]

@@TwilightChomperEnthusiast I was talking about the part where he said “you can blame EA for this” when talking about the three unlockable characters.

[@astro_nut]

@@Megajaybreaker4 Both are full of blame for this series downfall when they decided to take away the decision making powers away from the creatives and put the executives in charge. Without EA we would’ve never gotten GW to begin with but they are also to blame for pushing the Neighborville reboot project.

[@Stillbraixentho]

I mean GW was an actually relatively balanced and fun game. just sayin'

[@SpaghettiLover5598]

This brought me back traumatic memories when my dad got jumped by some zombies in the town center, unfortunately not even his morning oak could save him 😢

[@slayer63_]

The story is bad, and the game is not unique, and even the first game looks better, in my opinion

[@superbrainz2357]

Gw overall looks better in lighting and effects. Compare explosions and projectile effects in the games and gw is much more vibrant and bigger than bfn's.

[@slayer63_]

@@superbrainz2357 exactly

[@Jakethegr8244]

I love how the most replayed part of the video is after the sponsor. XD

[@lordgrub12345]

I loved this game, ngl. People really overhated it bc of the lack of variants. Still one of my favorite pvp games.

[@Megajaybreaker4]

You’ve heard of EA bad, Popcap good. now prepare for BFN bad, GW good. I don’t even hate GW2, I just hate these overdone things

[@mmmmmmmmmmmmmMicrowav]

​@@Megajaybreaker4Fr, genuinely so tired of people sucking off gw2 like it's the greatest game on the planet and isn't the most shitly balanced shooter game I've ever played in my life💀

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

@@mmmmmmmmmmmmmMicrowavGW2 is my favourite game ever, but its flaws are very apparent, mainly the balance. BFN was certainly… different, but I can’t help but applaud the balls PopCap must have had to make such a bold decision for the franchise, even if it backfired.

[@henrycelin8929]

@@mmmmmmmmmmmmmMicrowav you sound like you the guy that got bullied by plasma and electric peashooters for being bad at the game lmfao. gw2 is not the best game in history but it's better than this battle for trashville atrocity

[@mmmmmmmmmmmmmMicrowav]

@@henrycelin8929 🆗

[@wekg4915]

its honestly a crime getting rid of the 'subclasses' ( plasma pea, etc.). and removing that one garden centre map from the first game is the second worst thing done by man. it was so fun on garden ops. also the gameplay segment is just really funny for literally no reason

[@nathanmitchamore2188]

Srry matpat quit

[@LostTemplars]

BFN is a good game, the reason everyone was mad was because it wasn’t gw3

[@mmmmmmmmmmmmmMicrowav]

❌ people hate it because it is genuinely awful and unfun PLEASE tell me how you have fun fighting nothing but shit players who rely on cheap or cheesy strategies or upgrades to win the game for them

[@LostTemplars]

@@mmmmmmmmmmmmmMicrowav Not everyone is shit at the game tho?

[@NEON69420]

@@mmmmmmmmmmmmmMicrowav some gw2 characters also have cheap and cheesy abillities

[@LostTemplars]

@@NEON69420 E M P E A C H

[@madmonty4761]

​@@LostTemplarsno people hate it because it wanted to be overwatch.corn sucks,ruined deadbeard,maps have no charm

[@boxedbydemon11]

In my opinion the characters look so much better in bfn this guide is too harsh

[@A_Surpluss_of_Stupidity]

I actually really like this game

[@NoUserU]

Same, people hate it for no reason

[@VacaSuprema]

3:42 still my favorite plant of all times,i dont think he is just a chomper,its not why it is close combat that is a chomper,he breaths FIRE,trow fire balls,have totaly diferent habilitys.

[@pwas4040]

Every single bfn review is the same

[@Megajaybreaker4]

Remember: i-it bad because it’s not GW3 (even though it is literally called BFN and not GW3).

[@astro_nut]

@@Megajaybreaker4Aside from the fact game is literally called GW3 internally, they literally ceased development of GW2 updates for this. It would be one thing if they were still updating GW2 or developing a proper GW3 and BFN was just this spin-off thing on the side, but it straight up placed itself as a replacement.