Mexico - A Nice Math Olympiad Exponential Problem

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LKLogic

LKLogic

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@andreadanieli6192
@andreadanieli6192 Жыл бұрын
At the end you can simply apply the definition of logarithm... 2^x = 5 ---> x is the power to wich the base 2 must be raised in order to obtain 5 so you can write: x = log2(5)
@tintiniitk
@tintiniitk Жыл бұрын
No, she has to do a 5-minute thesis on it (to go from 2^x=5 to x=log5 to base 2, otherwise her students might not understand it.
@andre.moonlight
@andre.moonlight Жыл бұрын
@@tintiniitkwe learned it as logba=e where e is the exponent b is the base and a the “answer”. its very helpful
@melihsk9714
@melihsk9714 5 ай бұрын
😂😂
@ericsmith933
@ericsmith933 5 ай бұрын
I think you are right
@logminusone1272
@logminusone1272 Жыл бұрын
I feel the quick way to approach this problem is to recognise that we have a polynomial where both y^3 and y exist. This should ring a bell that we should find some cubed number somewhere. We can write 130 = 125 + 5 = 5^3 + 5. That's it. Immediately we get y^3 - 5^3 + y - 5 = 0, or (y -5)(y^2 + 5y + 26) = 0, where y = 2^x. Here onwards, it is simple.
@josephazar3516
@josephazar3516 Жыл бұрын
(8×15)+(2×5)=130
@noobLOL77
@noobLOL77 Жыл бұрын
thats what i did, i got hung up because i did log(5)-log(2) instead of log2(5)
@IvyANguyen
@IvyANguyen Жыл бұрын
Wow. This was way easier! I should've just thought through some numbers and would've hit it just by thinking of those 1st few perfect cubes.
@NikhilSingh-ge8yu
@NikhilSingh-ge8yu Жыл бұрын
y=2x , find the value idiot
@DantesInferno61
@DantesInferno61 Жыл бұрын
She made it way harder to solve than she had to.
@shannoo7
@shannoo7 Жыл бұрын
Me given IIT 20 yrs back and working in IT from 15+ yrs still willing to learn this so that I can teach my kid. Feels like back to square one. 😂 happy learning guys.
@daakudaddy5453
@daakudaddy5453 Жыл бұрын
Looks like you're stuck in a loop in life.
@krishmav
@krishmav Жыл бұрын
Don't teach to kids whatever that's not useful. Times are changing rapidly. Pretty sure you never used this in your working life.
@Aman-nk5uq
@Aman-nk5uq Жыл бұрын
*for 15 years
@ankurmondal3220
@ankurmondal3220 Жыл бұрын
​@@krishmavthese type of outside the box question are what asked in sof olympiads
@Smart_Soham
@Smart_Soham Жыл бұрын
​@@ankurmondal3220so you are studying fkr sof olympiads, go and give the real IMO Make sure you don't piss in your pants
@honeytgb
@honeytgb Жыл бұрын
This is why I'm going back to watching cooking videos.
@nitdiver5
@nitdiver5 Жыл бұрын
Or funny cats
@Aman-nk5uq
@Aman-nk5uq 11 ай бұрын
Come on. Everyone should know how to solve this
@xtranub8792
@xtranub8792 10 ай бұрын
​@@Aman-nk5uq he means it's too easy
@Fingolfin3423
@Fingolfin3423 9 ай бұрын
Most mathematicians probably can't cook worth a damn. Most people can't.
@dr.komiemmanuel9748
@dr.komiemmanuel9748 7 ай бұрын
😂😂 I don't blame you
@georiashang1120
@georiashang1120 Жыл бұрын
130=26×5=(5^2+1)×5=5^3+5; 8^x+2^x=(2^x)^3+(2^x); 2^x=5 My high school math teacher used to tell me,to understand an equation better you need to dis-simplify the brief side other than to simplify the complex side.
@NITian.Navneet
@NITian.Navneet Жыл бұрын
Wowwww😮😮😮
@July-gj1st
@July-gj1st Жыл бұрын
Nice! I did it like this as well or, similar.
@StarLord1994
@StarLord1994 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it just depends. A lot of times that advice will work, but not always.
@zhenyuzhai4098
@zhenyuzhai4098 10 ай бұрын
Yours can't guarantee there is unique root.
@georiashang1120
@georiashang1120 10 ай бұрын
@@zhenyuzhai4098 I know it should be unique in this case
@PlasmaFuzer
@PlasmaFuzer Жыл бұрын
Change of bases can be used to simplify the final expression 8^log_2(5) = (2^log_2(5))^3 by associativity and commutativity =5^3 since x^log_x(a) = a =125 And the same with the other term, so 125+5 = 130
@danieldudley5852
@danieldudley5852 Жыл бұрын
I agree, the finish could have been done a bit more elegantly with out finding the decimal approx.
@Code_dreamers
@Code_dreamers 5 ай бұрын
Exactly, I was like what is she doing....this can't be an Olympiad question
@Stn_4
@Stn_4 11 ай бұрын
I loved my Math's Teacher Sir A Hameed Wayn, in Metric Class ... And after him, you are the 2nd one, whom I would like to praise .. Since my First Teacher changed the School , and just for Mathematics I followed him to that school. From there, you can see my love for Mathematics . Liked your V-Log ... Though i dont know your name .
@schlingel0017
@schlingel0017 Жыл бұрын
Incredible how much effort you put in this. 130=5³+5¹ and this is identical to your y³+y. Therefore y = 2^x = 5. => x = log2 (5). Easy.
@alexeivalyaev5416
@alexeivalyaev5416 Жыл бұрын
It’s just to prove that there is no other solutions with real values
@daakudaddy5453
@daakudaddy5453 Жыл бұрын
You also have to check for other possible solutions. Duh!
@adriendebosse6941
@adriendebosse6941 Жыл бұрын
y3+y is stricly increasing, thus has only 1 real root, no need to complexify all what he did, like he did with all his base 2 and 5 logarithms. Just write 2^x=5 equals to x = ln(5)/ln(2), it's the basics of logs and exponentials
@pranjalpandey3.14
@pranjalpandey3.14 5 ай бұрын
@@daakudaddy5453 test the monotonicity as the derivative of t³ = 3t² means that fnxn in increasing on R and as t approaches -infinity fnxn approaches -infinity and as fnxn approaches infinity fnxn approaches infinity which assured that there will be only one intersection point of x axis and fnxn hence only one possible solution log base 2 raised to 5 🙂 Duh!
@thedeathofbirth0763
@thedeathofbirth0763 11 ай бұрын
To all the pretentious people who keep commenting that she made it hard, please note that she is trying to teach everyone at any level, that's why she chose the most straightforward method that any type of student can follow. She is not teaching only the undiscovered geniuses such as yourselves.
@siavosh87
@siavosh87 5 ай бұрын
@@christophersayrs907You’re such a weirdo, to take offence at the comment. He/she is right though, there are numerous ways to solve a problem in maths. Some ways will be faster than others, and may involve spotting a ‘shortcut’. But a teacher should always teach the ‘long’ method first, so that the student learns how to solve the problem in the standard way in the event that they cannot spot the shortcut.
@mangofan01
@mangofan01 Жыл бұрын
Instead of using decimals you could have used more logarithmic identities when you were checking. I think that would have been cleaner.
@RedPardo
@RedPardo Жыл бұрын
Came here to note that.
@manojpadmanabhan2615
@manojpadmanabhan2615 Жыл бұрын
Exactly.. 2^(log 125/log 2) = 125 and so on.
@antoniou.1158
@antoniou.1158 Жыл бұрын
​@@manojpadmanabhan2615 let's be nice with our math mates
@IoT_
@IoT_ Жыл бұрын
FASTER APPROACH : 8^x+2^x is always increasing function, hence one root only. Setting x equal to some numbers, we realize that x is between 2 and 3. Consequently,y is between 4 and 8, but y is obviously less than 6 by analyzing cubic equation. So y is between 4 and 6, try 5 and we get that y=5. Everything can be solved in mind.
@arcticwolf49
@arcticwolf49 Жыл бұрын
We will also have complex values of x... Since we have a cubic polynomial y^3+y-130=0, it will therefore have 3 roots out of which 1 is real (log5/log2) and other two are complex Other two values of x hence will be: x=log(5+- isqrt71)/2/log2
@NicholasOfAutrecourt
@NicholasOfAutrecourt Жыл бұрын
The imaginary solutions were extraneous. That's why they were explicitly discarded.
@rickymort135
@rickymort135 Жыл бұрын
​​@@NicholasOfAutrecourtextraneous or extra anus?
@kathrynstemler6331
@kathrynstemler6331 Жыл бұрын
I remember fondly a time where maybe, just maybe, I might have had some idea, but I haven’t used anything beyond grade 9 algebra in 20 years.
@anthonybrakus5280
@anthonybrakus5280 5 күн бұрын
Superb job teaching how to solve the problem!👍🏽 I would add, if you ever spend that much time solving a problem at a math olympiad it had better be a proof of the Reimann hypotheses 'cause you can forget about winning the math olympiad.❤
@akshatgour8981
@akshatgour8981 Жыл бұрын
I did it like this... 2^(3x)+2^x=130 Let 2^x=y Then y³+y=130 By observation, y=5 Hence 2^x=5 X=log(2)5, ie log 5 base 2 Overall, this problem was on the easier side if it's from olympiad, as I and my friends (Indian high-school students) were able to solve it pretty easily 😅
@digitalmarketing8230
@digitalmarketing8230 Жыл бұрын
Hello. I am a mathematics enthusiast from Nigeria and I really want to increase my knowledge in mathematics. I would like to connect with you. Do you mind?
@anthonyl3440
@anthonyl3440 Жыл бұрын
Same thoughts here. I literally solved it in mind using the similar way as you in 1min
@m3zuss
@m3zuss Жыл бұрын
Yeah but try to solve it when u were 13 or 15.
@Quiablo
@Quiablo Жыл бұрын
Damn we really dont need a 8 minute to solve this one. Nice observation.
@shashankkhatri5523
@shashankkhatri5523 Жыл бұрын
people @13-15 in india can solve this way faster compared to the older folks in india btw@@m3zuss
@The.Bible.Community.
@The.Bible.Community. 9 ай бұрын
How does this relate to real world practicality, thank you.
@wiseview1444
@wiseview1444 Жыл бұрын
All these problems seem a little too easy for olympiads
@estefanocrespo7930
@estefanocrespo7930 Жыл бұрын
Are you sure?
@human18711
@human18711 Жыл бұрын
​​@@estefanocrespo7930yes these are like middle school problems for us
@Triplefga
@Triplefga Жыл бұрын
​@@estefanocrespo7930im not him but yeah this is pretty easy for olympiads because i can even answer it
@alexcwagner
@alexcwagner Жыл бұрын
Maybe it's the special olypiad
@gauravbasu98
@gauravbasu98 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@josephmiller38
@josephmiller38 Жыл бұрын
Just subtract 130 from both sides and solve for the x-intercepts of the equation 8^x + 2^x - 130 = y. When y= 0 the graph intercepts the x axis.
@nielsstobbe2646
@nielsstobbe2646 Жыл бұрын
First observe that 8^x=(2^3)^x=(2^x)^3. Then set 2^x=y and you get the equation: y^3+y=y*(y^2+1)=130. A few trials gives y=5 and thus x=ln(5)/ln(2)=log(5)/log(2).
@EZ4U2SA.007
@EZ4U2SA.007 Жыл бұрын
This is why I know anatomy so well!
@dr_ksha
@dr_ksha 2 ай бұрын
A doctor here , thanking my stars for me choosing biology and not maths😅😅
@dimchodimov2424
@dimchodimov2424 Жыл бұрын
For all functions of type f(x)=ax^3+bx+c the equation f(x)=0 can have only one real root in case of a>0, b>0, because f'(x)=3ax^2+b>0 and therefore f(x) is monotonically increasing. Also, if the equation f(x)=0 has rational roots in the form p/q, p is a divisor of c and q is a divisor of a. If a=1, the rational roots are always whole numbers. One can immediately see that in the specific example f(y)=y^3+y-130=0 , y=5 is a solution, because we first check the whole divisors of 130 (+-1, +-2, +-5, +-10, +-13). Try to solve x^7+x^5+x^3+x=170 with your method....No chance. With above, you show that x=2 is the only root in just 2 rows.
@1234larry1
@1234larry1 Ай бұрын
To check the solution 2^x=5, or x=log5{base2}, For the original equation 8^x+2^x=130, rewrite as (2^x)3+2^x=130.substitute in the solution: 2^3(log5{base2})+2^log5{base2}=130. This becomes because of the laws of indices: 5^3+5=125+5=130.
@SRINIX4356
@SRINIX4356 11 ай бұрын
great video but the verification can be a little bit better if it's like this: 8^log5 base 2 + 2^log5 base 2 = (2^3) ^log5 base 2 + 2^log5 base 2 = (2^log5 base 2) ^3 + 2^log5 base 2 as we already know a ^logN base a = N => (2^log5 base 2) ^3 + 2^log5 base 2 = 5 ^3 + 5 = 125 + 5 = 130 excellent video keep it up and upload more videos like this.
@random_youtube_user
@random_youtube_user Жыл бұрын
Thanks you so much for refreshing my memory from 10 years ago, Now I wish I have continued on the math field instead
@kevinsolari2744
@kevinsolari2744 Жыл бұрын
Having got to y³+ y = 130 it's not hard to try a few small numbers and see that y=5 is a solution. From that the quadratic part could be worked out, though it should be obvious that there can be no other real solutions since y>5 would be too big and y
@SanalDersaneLeventYadrga
@SanalDersaneLeventYadrga Жыл бұрын
Yes I think so
@Qazwsx-m3f
@Qazwsx-m3f Жыл бұрын
Два графика функций у=х^3 и у=-х+130 пересекаются в одной точке в 1 четверти=> х=5 единственное решение
@hardtimes2597
@hardtimes2597 Жыл бұрын
4:50 Redundant. By definition of logarithm, it is the value of the exponent to put on the base to get the argument of the logarithm. So basically in this case x is essentially, in base 2, log(5).
@kaleecharan495
@kaleecharan495 Жыл бұрын
In solution checking a^(log c to base a) can be written as c^(log a to base a) . So 8^(log 5 to base 2) can be written as 5^(log 8 to bas 2), which is 5^3 and 2^(log 5 to base 2), is 5^(log 2 to base 2) which is 5 5^3+5=130
@Psykolord1989
@Psykolord1989 Жыл бұрын
Before watching: This is not one that can be easily solved by simply plugging in integers and hoping for a result. Our solution is going to be somewhere between 2 (8^2 + 2^2 = 64+4=68) and 3 (8^3 + 2^3 = 512+8 = 520), and probably closer to 2 than to 3. Therefore, we have to actually do some calculations. Alright, 8 = 2^3, and (a^b)^c = a^(bc). Thus 8^x = (2^3)^x = 2^(3x). We declare U = 2^x. Then 8^x = 2^(3x) = u^3. Then we have u^3 + u = 130. Subtract 130 from both sides to get u^3+u-130=0. Now, we attempt to factor this. The factors of 130 are 1, 2, 5, 10, and 13. Of those, U=10 gives us results far too large, and U=2 gives us ones far too small. U=5 gives us 125+5-130 = 0, which is accurate. Thus, (u-5) is a factor. after doing some division, we can factor the equation into (u-5)(u^2 + 5u + 26 )=0. Going to use the quadratic formula on the second factor, we note that the discriminant is negative. Thus, these are not real roots, so we can skip this section. Thus, we will go with U=5. However, we're not done! That's the solution for U, not for X. U = 2^x. Thus, we have 2^x = 5. Take log_2 of both sides: Log_2(2^x) = log_2(5) -> X = log_2(5) Log_2 of 5 will be between log_2 of 4 (2) and log_2 of 8 (3), likely closer to 2 than 3. This checks out. If you want to change this to a different log using change of base, you may do so. log_b(a) = (log_c(a))/(log_c(b)),. Then using natural log ln, with a =5 and b = 2: x = (ln 5)/(ln2). (We're not doing this for the sake of precision, but rather so it can be easily checked on a calculator. A lot of calculators don't have functions built into them for logs of different bases, at least not ones that you can get to easily. Thus, you have to switch to either common log (log_10) or natural log (log_e))
@danypriandoyo6956
@danypriandoyo6956 Жыл бұрын
Superb
@forever_28345
@forever_28345 9 ай бұрын
☠️
@naveenlakhara_51
@naveenlakhara_51 Жыл бұрын
Although I knew the answer to the problem, being lazy I preferred "Hit and Trial Method" from the given option for these type of questions. This saves a lot of time 😅😅
@itsme.01
@itsme.01 Жыл бұрын
For 2^x=y y³+y=130 y(y²+1)=130 Clearly for y=5, equation satisfied so x=log5(base 2) is the correct answer.
@pintub37
@pintub37 Жыл бұрын
It's too complicated, I mean after getting 2^x = 5 we get in accordance with the definition of a logarithm x = log2(5) where log2 is a logrithm with base 2. All following calculations in the video are unnecessary.
@ildar.ishalin.chelovek
@ildar.ishalin.chelovek Жыл бұрын
Yeah, exactly my thoughts: just use the definition!
@intigamaghamuradov4727
@intigamaghamuradov4727 Жыл бұрын
It was painful to see how she derives x after getting 2^x = 5 (((
@nasimthander9137
@nasimthander9137 Жыл бұрын
Your handwriting and logical thinking ability are awesome ❤
@kanguru_
@kanguru_ Жыл бұрын
Let a=2^x, then a^3+a=130, so a=5 is a solution, then x= ln5/ln2. The other solutions can be found by factoring out (a-5) and solving the quadratic.
@TanishqaAwasthi_1111
@TanishqaAwasthi_1111 3 ай бұрын
I don't know anything about logarithms as it isn't in my syllabus but can we not solve it like this Note (8 to the power x is written as -8x) 8x +2x= 130 2(4x+1x) = 130 4x+1x=65 Anything as an exponent to 1 is 1 hence 4x+1=65 4x=64 4to the power x = 4 to the power 3 Hence x= 3
@ariniulfah4885
@ariniulfah4885 Жыл бұрын
Confuse the number 26y - 25y, can you explaine it!
@marinadidkovskaya9672
@marinadidkovskaya9672 2 ай бұрын
26y-25y=y
@math001
@math001 Жыл бұрын
Really crazy how easy this problem would be for my past self studying engineering. Being done with school and doing the same shit over and over again at work really rots your brain
@sergeykupcov4348
@sergeykupcov4348 Жыл бұрын
Это не легкая задача
@Peter-Alexander
@Peter-Alexander 11 ай бұрын
Challenge your brain in your free time or find a more interesting job (when possible) 😊
@math001
@math001 11 ай бұрын
@@Peter-Alexander yeah man I'm learning an additional 2 languages right now and also learning more music theory. Trading is also my side thing so I think the analytical part of my brain is still working to some extent. It's just that complex math isn't really my thing these days
@lucianopena3806
@lucianopena3806 Жыл бұрын
So hard. Congrats. Several math concepts 👏👏👏👏👏
@BZKnowHow
@BZKnowHow 7 ай бұрын
very informative and easy way of teaching
@MrIvanbrewer
@MrIvanbrewer Жыл бұрын
reminder me my school years in one of the best math schools in Russia 25 years ago, now all forgotten but still these problems are solvable on the fly almost🙂 good times it was
@ArcobalenoOfLies
@ArcobalenoOfLies Жыл бұрын
Какая школа?
@b213videoz
@b213videoz Жыл бұрын
y(y²+1) = 5(5²+1) ...at this stage it should be apparent that y = 5 🤪 Given y = 2^x Then 2^x = 5 log²(2^x) = log²(5) x = log²(5)
@batuhanaskn3621
@batuhanaskn3621 Жыл бұрын
I learn my level is olimpic thanks to this channel.😂
@Sushi-n9h
@Sushi-n9h 11 ай бұрын
Aah my favourite maths algebra those days ❤🎉
@MathMathX
@MathMathX 10 ай бұрын
Use rational zero theorem. Y=5. And divide the function by (y-5) and get the quadratic. Much faster....
@prashantprakhar3107
@prashantprakhar3107 Жыл бұрын
Your voice is so soothing
@mouthiknaradas962
@mouthiknaradas962 9 ай бұрын
Use substitution. Substitute 2^x =y and solve polynomial equation.
@SylvainDemuyter
@SylvainDemuyter Жыл бұрын
I think 5 is a rather easy to find "obvious" solution by searching a integer which cube is close to 130. Then it becomes a polynom division. The proposed factorisation is nevertheless very smart !
@PaulJosephdeWerk
@PaulJosephdeWerk Жыл бұрын
If you are asked for only the Real solution then youbare correct. If you want all solutions, you must take the quadratic into account and get two more Complex solutions.
@planomathandscience
@planomathandscience Жыл бұрын
Don't be clever. When is a maths solution going to ask for complex solutions
@asliceofjackie91
@asliceofjackie91 Жыл бұрын
​@@planomathandscienceanywhere above high school, and at high school levels in some countries, expect a full answer unless otherwise specified.
@vladimirgregor
@vladimirgregor 7 ай бұрын
yeah! I want all answers!
@1234larry1
@1234larry1 Ай бұрын
When using common logs, complex solutions do not work. If you tried to substitute it back in the equation, the imaginary components would not cancel. Therefore, they are rejected.
@PaulJosephdeWerk
@PaulJosephdeWerk Ай бұрын
@1234larry1 So apparently, Wolfram Alpha is wrong as well? It can substitute the values back in without issue.
@alokranjan4149
@alokranjan4149 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful question. It's answer is log5/log2 both on the base 10 👌👌
@vladimirgregor
@vladimirgregor 7 ай бұрын
or any other base for that matter
@kd8opi
@kd8opi 9 ай бұрын
This is hard core algebra. Cubic equations, quadratic equations w/ the quadratic formula, logarithms, fractional exponents, ect…. I did stuff close to this level in high school. The difference was that it did not have multiple layers of this complexity. My takeaway from that experience was that algebra wasn’t hard so long as you worked a lot of different problems and got plenty of practice.
@nigelrg1
@nigelrg1 3 ай бұрын
Inspecting, 2
@mediumQQ
@mediumQQ Жыл бұрын
I have simplier solution. Multiply both by root x, so then 8+2 = x base root of 130. Which easily = 2.3....
@rfguys2206
@rfguys2206 9 ай бұрын
Stop at 1:15. You kind of know that Y has to be an integral number given it's a math Olympiad problem. A few guess will gets Y=5 easily.
@dVTHoR
@dVTHoR Жыл бұрын
I looked at this for like 2 minutes without a thought of any complex maths and thought the answer might be X= 2.25 and I’m honestly pretty pleased. Lol
@dVTHoR
@dVTHoR Жыл бұрын
I also have zero training in mathematics outside of high school 10+ years ago so go very easy on me
@alvaromolina5704
@alvaromolina5704 5 ай бұрын
Esa es una forma extremadamente larga.resolverlo, basta factorizar al principio por 2 elevado a x y después aplicar logaritmo, se resolvía en 2 pasos
@millaarsenal6291
@millaarsenal6291 11 ай бұрын
Yeah I got it too. But when you check it, you should not convert to log value and you can simply find it.
@timothyfriedman8461
@timothyfriedman8461 Жыл бұрын
2^log²5 = 5 (by definition) 8^log²5 = (2^3)^log²5= (2^log²5)^3= 5^3=125 There is no need to do approximete calculations.
@andreadanieli6192
@andreadanieli6192 Жыл бұрын
In Italy this is called "col senno di poi"! 😂
@kolomun
@kolomun Жыл бұрын
I think you could simply write 2^x = 5 => x = log2(5) without all these log divisions, because log2(5) literally means power to which we have to rase 2 in order to get 5, which is x in our case
@wisemang73
@wisemang73 8 ай бұрын
Nicely done. Weird how your 2's are written differently even in the same equation
@kushal777
@kushal777 5 ай бұрын
y=5 is an obvious solution, taking all the terms on one side and differentiating, we get, f’(y) = 3y^2+1 > 0 for all y€R, hence f(y) has exactly one real root i.e. f(y=5) = 0.
@fernandocarvalho2168
@fernandocarvalho2168 Жыл бұрын
Ótima explicação. Mas, quando você já havia encontrado que 2 elevado a x era igual a 5 , já poderia ter usado a definição de logaritmos e chegar direto na conclusão que x é igual a log de 5 na base 2 . Ou fazer assim seria um erro matemático? Parabéns pelo excelente vídeo!
@alexeyfadieiev4070
@alexeyfadieiev4070 Жыл бұрын
I also wondered why we need last manipulations with Log, it is redundant. 2^X=Y. X = logY.
@shamshirulhussan2690
@shamshirulhussan2690 11 ай бұрын
I could have just put some value in place and solved mathematically to make a guess that i have to go up or down a little. Than three attempts later i might have got x=2.3 I have done it many times. You dont need to go in multiple algebrac complications to solve a problem this simple. Afterall numbers are used to avoid hit and trial of actual objects. We can use numbers for hit and trial as that wont even use extra ink or time cz the equations are more complex than hit and trial. Smart work is also intelligence!
@XCodeHelpHub
@XCodeHelpHub 9 ай бұрын
This is an imperfect solution. I realized that the power I'd 8 could not be 3 abs 2 was too small, meaning it was not going g to be an integer. Kind of ridiculous in my book.
@AirCrou
@AirCrou Жыл бұрын
Instead of that lengthy solution, let 2^x=y, and then let f(y)=y^3+y-130 For y=5, f(5)=0 f'(y)=3y^2+1, which is positive for all values of y, meaning f(y) is a monotonically increasing function, which makes y=5 the only root of f(y) Then 2^x=5 and solve using logarithmic properties
@StarLord1994
@StarLord1994 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, but this is only shorter because it happened to be monotonically increasing. If it wasn’t, you would’ve done this step for no reason, and still had to do the lengthy solution.
@gmexcavation8440
@gmexcavation8440 5 ай бұрын
8^x+2^x=(2^3)^x+2^x=(2^x)^3+2^x, let 2^x=a, a^3+1=130, a^3=129, a=4.971, 2^x=4.971, x=ln4.971/ln2,x= 2.32
@A0A4ful
@A0A4ful Жыл бұрын
Gives me shivers, brings back nightmarish memories of struggling with all this in school years!😮 But enjoying it too, in a contradictory way, because there is no pressure!😊
@бохподвох-в9д
@бохподвох-в9д Жыл бұрын
Спасибо! Не понимаю концовку с таймкода 4:38, и так ясно, что логорифм - это степень числа по основанию.🧐
@Numbers0123
@Numbers0123 Жыл бұрын
1:37 is confusing? Why and how can you write y=26y-5y?
@КристиянСлавчев-ф7р
@КристиянСлавчев-ф7р Жыл бұрын
У = 26у - 25у У = 1у
@asha20latha44
@asha20latha44 3 ай бұрын
​@@КристиянСлавчев-ф7рhow does 26&25 relate to 130
@glorypath810
@glorypath810 Жыл бұрын
Go easier by using Factorizing with polynomial and basic logarithm
@juneldomingo6277
@juneldomingo6277 Жыл бұрын
In real exams, you can just substitute the given choices if satisfies the 130. It will save lot of time instead of solving.
@AceGunner72
@AceGunner72 Жыл бұрын
In real exams you are not given choices. What educational system did you attend? "Fast food and exams Inc."?
@juneldomingo6277
@juneldomingo6277 Жыл бұрын
@@AceGunner72 maybe you didnt take any licensure exams.
@HERMES-9
@HERMES-9 Жыл бұрын
I got from a much easier and faster way 2*3x and 2*x should be equal to 130 so the sum of two of 2 power something should be equal to 130 which is close to 2*7 hence if x=2 the answer is 64+4 and if x= 3 it would be 528, therefore, x should be between 2 and 3 and closer to 2 than 3 and 3x kinda feels be close to 7 as 128 is close to 130 so 7/3=2.33 and as it wouldn't add up (cuz 127+4,9 is greater than 130 we should decrease 2,33 by 0,01 per time to find the right answer then we got the answer of 2.32
@IvyANguyen
@IvyANguyen Жыл бұрын
I do not yet have the mathematical experience to have come up with that line of thinking to jump to thinking of the factorisation of 130 then rewriting as factor by grouping. I got to the step where I substituted u = 2^x but had no idea that was actually the way to proceed. I was stuck at what to do now with the 130 as I had no obvious way to factorise u^3 + u - 130 = 0.
@jurajchobot
@jurajchobot 11 ай бұрын
Lol, I've done that independently from KZbin thumbnail and my result was X = 1 / [ log130(10) ] which is X = log10(130) which reads as [ log 130 to base 10 ] Edit: It was quite close as my result evaluates to 2.1139 and the actual result evaluates to 2.3219
@surajitde8537
@surajitde8537 Жыл бұрын
This can be solved by vanishing factor method By putting y=5 y-5 is a factor 5^3+5-130=0 y^2(y-5)+5y(y-5)+26(y-5)=0 (y-5)(y^2+5y+26)=0 y-5=0 or y^2+5y+26=0 y=5. D for quadratic equation 5^2-4×1×26 is less than 0 No real roots. Solution will be y=5
@CiarcellutiAcademy
@CiarcellutiAcademy Жыл бұрын
The longest way to do that equation.
@AdilSevik
@AdilSevik Жыл бұрын
I am a university student in Turkey. We were learning this in primary education. It is a very simple question. Frankly, I was surprised.
@deryak212
@deryak212 Жыл бұрын
Di mi yaa bir de çözümü çok uzatmış biz otomatik olarak logaritma formülüne çakıp geciyorduk 😂
@notsuraj_
@notsuraj_ Жыл бұрын
i solved it like this after 2^x(2^2x+1) = 130 so taking factor of 130 as two terms like 65X2 or 26X5 or 13X10 and trynna see which of these two terms satisfy that eq which is on taking 2^x= 5 so thats the answer after taking log of this
@antoniou.1158
@antoniou.1158 Жыл бұрын
Nice
@sterilas7742
@sterilas7742 5 ай бұрын
This question is asked as an easy question in university entrance exams in Turkiye
@mattymoowhite
@mattymoowhite 2 ай бұрын
With the last digit of 130 being a zero, the last digit of 2^3x and 2^x must add to 10, 130 is an integer. The only pairs of numbers for x and 3x being powers of two would be 2,8, ,4,16 , 8,32 16,64 which sum to less than 130 or 32,128 etc,which which are greater than 130. your answer is approximate. 130 is discrete. This has no solution for exactly 130
@gokoz5423
@gokoz5423 4 ай бұрын
In Turkey you learn solving these at the age of 14-15 already. This is easy peasy and has nothing to do with olympics.
@free11192
@free11192 Жыл бұрын
Log 2^x = x log 2. Please learn this. For your solution: X= log5/log2.
@mircorichter1375
@mircorichter1375 Жыл бұрын
I think the question is ill phrased because the types of the symbols in the equation are not specified. For example: no solution over integers. One solution over reals. 3 overvcomplex numbers. But what if we consider prime fields F_p with p>130 or any other algebra type where those symbols could be interpreted in?
@abdellahaitouahmane1593
@abdellahaitouahmane1593 Жыл бұрын
To complicate solution We can divide by 2^x and y= 2^×
@askthewise
@askthewise Жыл бұрын
Was in it better to approximate x between 2 and 3 at a glance?
@ab_random
@ab_random Жыл бұрын
What happened in the end? Why the author used approximately solve? 2^log(2 5) = 5 by log's definition. And 8^log(2 5) = 2^3log(2 5) = (2^log(2 5))^3 = 5^3 = 125
@DineshSingh-xv3bu
@DineshSingh-xv3bu Жыл бұрын
Wawoooo. So simply explained
@mocotone
@mocotone Жыл бұрын
As soon as she got it to Y Cubed plus Y = 130, the answer jumped out at me and I yelled it out loud, trying to beat her to the punch. Who knew I actuality had time to go check the mail, first?
@god_bika
@god_bika Жыл бұрын
4:47 x is already log 5 to the base 2 as per logarithm definition,. Isnt it
@twilightdry
@twilightdry 5 ай бұрын
I did it in my head in under 2 mins as follows (8^(1/3)) +( 2^7) = 130
@sleuthkonan
@sleuthkonan 7 ай бұрын
Yes 130=26x5, but how to get y=26y-25y ? I mean how to think of such an inference ?
@MatematikAdam
@MatematikAdam 3 ай бұрын
Experience :)
@kadir7533
@kadir7533 10 ай бұрын
Its a mid level math problem for college exam in Turkey.
@JosephBabalola-vc7vg
@JosephBabalola-vc7vg Жыл бұрын
Factors of -130 according to you are 26 and -5. Why did you use 26 and-25.?
@magnussonborski2664
@magnussonborski2664 Жыл бұрын
Because y = 26y - 25y. If she used 5 instead of 25, it will be 26y - 5y = 21y
@hansdampf9769
@hansdampf9769 Жыл бұрын
125+5=130 125=5^3. Just plugged in first "obvious" solution to reduce cubic to quadratic equation.
@georiashang1120
@georiashang1120 Жыл бұрын
130=26×5=(5^2+1)×5=5^3+5; 8^x+2^x=(2^x)^3+(2^x); 2^x=5 My high school math teacher used to tell me,to understand an equation better you need to dis-simplify the brief side other than to simplify the complex side.
@aquibarshad62
@aquibarshad62 Жыл бұрын
-130 has not been factorised..only “y” at second place has been extended “26y-25y”..
@aradhya9550
@aradhya9550 Жыл бұрын
She did not explain it. It’s better to just notice 5 is a root and then divide the equation by x-5
@JOpethNYC
@JOpethNYC Жыл бұрын
I'm already confused at 1:29 . Where did the 25 come from?
@КристиянСлавчев-ф7р
@КристиянСлавчев-ф7р Жыл бұрын
130 = 26х5
@sachinamin6623
@sachinamin6623 Жыл бұрын
i wrote all the a,b,c,d's & 1, 2,3,4's at the top and at the end i just put "hence proved" i got 2 marks :) - back benchers ;)
@antonina_moskalyuk
@antonina_moskalyuk 4 ай бұрын
Посмотрела несколько видео с этими олимпиадными заданиями. Хотела бы я на такие олимпиады, когда училась в средней школе😅
@허신진
@허신진 8 ай бұрын
은가은씨 오늘도 즐거운 불금 되세요.....
@RAHUL_CARS
@RAHUL_CARS 3 ай бұрын
8ⁿ+2ⁿ=130 2³ⁿ+2ⁿ=130 (2ⁿ)³+2²=130 Let, k=2ⁿ K³+k=130 K³+k-130=0 By hit and trial method/vanishing method we get f(k)=0 when k=5 :. 5³+5-130 =125+5-130 =130-130=0 So , k=5 Or,k-5=0 Therefore, (k-5) will be a factor of f(k) Now divide it , (k-5)/(K³+k-130) =k²-5k+26 So, factors of f(k) are (k-5)(k²-5k+26) K=5 or, sorry this haven't any real root So, K=2ⁿ 5=2ⁿ Log5 =n😅 2
@looneyapache
@looneyapache Жыл бұрын
I did it lot quicker using logaritm. Take log on both sides Log(8^x + 2^x ) = log(130) Log 2^x (2^2 + 1 ) = log(130) X log 10 = 2.113943 X = 2.113493 Lot quicker
@MichelangeloPartipilo
@MichelangeloPartipilo Жыл бұрын
Could you explain what steps you took to simplify the left side?
@looneyapache
@looneyapache Жыл бұрын
@@MichelangeloPartipilo Log(8^x + 2^x ) = log(130) Log 2^x (2^2 + 1 ) = log(130) X log 10 = 2.113943 (Since log 10 base 10 = 1, hence X was multiplied by 1 leading to final answer) X = 2.113493
@Real_Haunting_tales
@Real_Haunting_tales 11 ай бұрын
If we simply check in starting of cubic equation that one of its root is 5 as 5^3+5-130 equals zero, it can me much easliy solved
@Yes_I_c4n
@Yes_I_c4n Жыл бұрын
Why aren't the imaginary solutions taken into account? I mean, they are solutions to the original equation, aren't they? Is there an assumption that we must find the real solutions only?
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