MFS 2024 vs MSFS 2020 GRAPHICS FPS Comparison - WHICH IS BETTER?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

How are you getting on with Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024? 🤔

[@AviationNoor]

thu

[@paularrowsmith6829]

@@VRFlightSimGuy I’ve concluded I’m done with it for the moment. Did a reinstall got stuck on 97% again. Then loaded in with most of the aircraft missing. Prior to reinstall hit and Miss whether could actually start a flight. I will come back to it but this is just not worth it at the moment for me. I’ll revisit again in a few days. A lot of potential but it’s using a system to power it that is not ready in my opinion. MS and ASOBO have a lot of late nights ahead of them (I hope !) to get it fixed

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

​@@paularrowsmith6829I agree with you mate.

[@paularrowsmith6829]

@@VRFlightSimGuy It is a shame as I expected bugs etc. But for it to be hit and miss on the fact whether you can actually get in and use the game or not is just too much for me to accept at this time. Although I am confident it will improve and be a good sim, this is pretty much a disaster currently I am sad to say !

[@DaredevilsAnon]

Looking past the obvious launch issues I am seeing good performance in VR over 2020. I want to test some different settings tonight if the servers behave.

[@paulsleighty]

There is no denying msfs 2024 looks better, but I'm still concerned about lagging scenery due to server overload, which is totally what I was concerned about before the release.

[@OzzySafa]

The colour and vibrance levels of the sky and cloud is more realistic in 2024. I expected the terrain to be more detailed but it’s hard to workout if the servers are streaming how they should be. I also noticed landing is harder and the turbulence seems more realistic especially landing in Florida in light general aviation aircraft you can really feel the thermals on short final. All there’s to say is the future is looking bright for the sim and we all know we will be guaranteed improvements and optimisations. I just wished they had more beta’s so they could get more data to optimise their servers so they got it working as good as possible for launch but lessons learned. 6 months from now we’ll be probably watching a video of how much better the sim is.

[@despinozac22]

Really promising performance on 2024. Still i'll wait a few weeks.

[@rehakmate]

better performance because the textures dont load XD

[@acurisur]

@@rehakmate They do if your server isn't overloaded. I did a bunch of career missions today and all the textures and terrain loaded in.

[@somerandomperson8282]

@@acurisur I love how you are saying "they do if your server isnt overloaded" and "the textures loaded in" as though that is some kind of achievement. The fact these problems even exist is ridiculous.

[@Test.Unknown]

I run it on a 4070 super ti, 500 mbps wifi and it still runs like shit, buy p3d instead

[@mas1192jp]

Thanks for the comparison. I wish you would do a comparison in VR as well. It seems like the main thread frame time is much better in 2024, GPU frame time seems to be 40-50% worse in average in 2024, which has more impact in VR.

[@sasquatch8923]

I waited 24 hours to buy. Played last night no issues at all (in VR G2). The G2 is not bricked for me at least. It picked up my Warthog and pedals no problem. So far I'm loving the career mode.

[@Schwing27]

What settings and FPS are you getting with your G2? I’m trying to get it dialed in but overall my FPS aren’t as good as they were in 2020

[@onebullet95wt22]

I can tell you in VR it runs better than MSFS 2020. I play in Medium graphics (building textures in High and 100 LOD) using DLSS Quality and it looks and runs awesome with 4080 over New York. MSFS 2020 wasn't that smooth. Also, I got access to the Alpha version of 2024 and it's a big jump in improvement in 2D. Very happy with the results.... When it loads xD😅

[@gregprouse1173]

In VR though its s shit show @ 25 fps with a top notch rig.

[@meade918r]

no lol . totally disaster in TAA VR 18 fps with 4070

[@Directx11cool]

@@meade918r 4070 is too weak for MFS in VR. Also dunno about MFS, but in other VR games taa looks awful and consume a lot GPU power

[@meade918r]

@@Directx11cool well it worked fine in 2020

[@frankkky7375]

vr runs better on 2020 or 2024? later in ur comment ur saying 2020 wasnt that smooth is that a typo?

[@Naglfar]

It’s just sad to see the amount of pop in , blur and how much worse the cities look in 2024.

[@dtrjones]

I think hard to judge any of this at the moment with the servers being so bad.

[@Swole_Gecko]

and in Phoenix AZ in 2020 had this great high quality photogrammetry and now in 2024 it has no photogrammetry... completely removed?? and is just using the AI generated buildings 😢

[@warthy4889]

that depends on ur settings actually​@@Swole_Gecko

[@Swole_Gecko]

@@warthy4889 They actually removed photogrammetry from Phoenix, though. Go test it and see for yourself. Los Angeles and New York, for example, still have it. My photogrammetry settings are on and maxed out, and there's nothing in Phoenix. I also found a Reddit post with over 200 comments discussing it.

[@kevinbrook7033]

Good video Steve, definitely promising numbers for 2024 in terms of performance. Considering it has better visuals, better lighting and more physics calculations, to offer improved performance as well is a great all around win. I'm going to leave it until my Christmas holidays though, busy with work and don't want the stress of wrestling with low bandwidth and early release bugs, hopefully it will be a little more stable in four or five weeks time.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Cheers mate. Very wise decision!

[@PebbleTrader]

Everyone is having trouble streaming in the world data. I wonder if the higher frame rate in 2024 is due to it running better because not all the data is streamed in.

[@DiesOnAToilet]

And presumably, the lower quality photogrammetry assets would result in knock-on performance benefits like fewer lighting calculations and fewer lights in general appearing on the lower quality ground scenery.

[@peterregan8691]

Apparently it’s a UK problem. Try using a VPN and set the VPN to USA server, worked for me, the sim runs beautifully now, no blurries at all.

[@jordovevrsims1796]

Hi Steve! Great comparison, and I, too, am noticing improved performance. FYI the Sim Racing Studio beta is out so we can get our motion rigs going in MSFS 2024. Worked for me in my Yaw2.

[@Bluth53]

Glad to see you around and looking forward to seeing your next video (whenever that may be)

[@needlesbeckett]

Downloaded yesterday - no issues. Loaded with no issues. Picked up my TM Airbus throttle and sidekick - no issues. Running 3rd party (2022) community airports - no issues. Absolutely loving it 🥳👍

[@rocksquared]

To see the difference, show the various cockpits from multiple planes, in plain sun. The difference is HUGE. Much more than what we can grasp from this video. They redid all the models and textures and shaders, it's night and day. And the ray traced shadows in 2D mode are just beautiful and so stable.

[@cashdoo]

Yeah, the ray-traced shadows were on by default for me and when I went to go customize my settings I was so surprised that my game was running so well with fully ray-traced shadows on! I'm able to fly through NYC with no stutters and high fps on (almost) ultra settings, which was not possible even on medium settings for me on MSFS2020 even though I'm running the same exact hardware.

[@tompsu9536]

@@cashdoo yeah especially when raytracing in general is very heavy on performance.

[@Muckylittleme]

Is that you Jorge?

[@IASystemsComputerControls]

To be frank, I dont think we can judge 2024 until it has been full sorted out with the release issues. As its to do with the fact it has to stream so much including aircraft it HAS to have a good server setup to function. It was the worst move Asobo and MS made. I think with luck in a few weeks they will at least realise they need to really let us store more locally like planes, and mods etc. Thanks for the video m8

[@acurisur]

You can't store planes locally, only terrain, but local caching is turned off in 2024 for now. The solution isn't to store more locally, it's to get more and more servers online, which they are doing (as they announced in the official Discord).

[@IASystemsComputerControls]

@@acurisur Well I DONT want the planes to be streamed it sucks. I want to store locally and am not given that option so it wrong as far as I am concerned.

[@sim-motion1228]

I feel the 3D effect in 2024 is much better somehow. I think maybe it’s due to better lighting and shadows. The trees and terrain in my home town just look so much more realistic and true to life. I’m loving this sim all over again. Thanks for keeping the videos and updates coming Steve. You truly are a gem.

[@eldadgefen1436]

Thank you for the comparison. It seems as if the MSFS 2024 is getting better from day to day and from flight to flight. Today I received a message saying that ‘the download has completed’. I still don’t have everything that I ordered but there is a chance that some things are still downloading to complete the sim.

[@61tree_VR_Gliding]

I get a significant performance boost in VR on Pico 4 with fs2024.....went gliding in Grand Canyon today, super smooth and amazing flight. Also to note, I have everything set to Ultra in 2024, in 2020 I have mostly High settings to avoid stutters.

[@MrRamoSzz]

What PC specs you have?

[@61tree_VR_Gliding]

@@MrRamoSzz high-end ,4090 i9-13900F 64GB, but with exact same set up, I see a clear difference in performance between the two sims running Pico 4. I don't have any experience with other headsets, Pico 4 is my first and I can't tell you about 2d, I never fly in 2d :).

[@MrRamoSzz]

@ That is is why I asked you. I also use only Pico 4, but my specs are lower R7 5800 x3d with RTX 3080Ti and 32 GB of ram. And yes it seems I have also performance gain compared to MSFS 2020, but need to tinker a little more as it is kinda blurry right now with gauges.

[@MavUK6666]

Looks very promising Steve and as always you've created a great real world test without the waffle most are uploading, looks like it's going to be a definite must have once it's settled in, but in true MS fashion that could be months away, so as always I'll just keep popping in and seeing what you're thoughts are and just continue to enjoy 2020 for now, shame really because I really want to experience the new physics like ground affect.

[@mmstraker1]

2024 is definitely looking promising. It can(should) only get better from here. Also, good to see they sorted out Barra considering how it was in the Alpha lol.

[@imacmill]

I refunded the game, as it was completely unplayable on my i9-14900K, RTX-480 Super machine. Lag/stuttering unbearable, control inputs lag behind by literal 5 seconds or more. I'll wait until the dust settles on this and try again when the community seems to thinks it's usable.

[@benhuot6852]

Why a refund? Just keep it and wait???? What is the point if your gonna buy it at some point anyway?

[@Themistocles30]

​@@benhuot6852Blame the heads at Microsoft for rushing the game out

[@acurisur]

You jumped the gun then I'd day, as there's been significant improvement in the performance of the sim for me today. Flew 7 career missions with zero stutters, zero lag, it really is a night and day difference.

[@natedisrud]

So Weird I have a i7 13700kf and 4080 super and run it completely maxed out smooth as butter even on starlink lol something is up with your system bud

[@cammy9r]

I refunded through steam before my time limit got used up. I was at 4 hours on steam but never got a single second in game. So yes, refund. Of course it will get sorted out in time but I am not paying for something I cannot use. If it eventually gets as good as the hype then I will get it again and maybe get a premium version instead of standard. However I will wait for more reviews from the community and I am sure It will be a good sim and I look forward to it.

[@jedispooner]

It's the lighting improvements in MSFS2040 are are just staggering in 4K on an OLED screen. This has really surprised me, the ground light reflections on the under belly and wings is just stunning, also the lighting onto the plane itself is more realistic, which really makes materials seem real. Also the landing lights in the wing of the Cessna seem to reflect off the rivets from certain angles! The runway lights are noticeably more twinkly and vibrant, along with projected landing lights on aircraft in the sky (this is cool). The overall look and feel of 2024 feels a huge upgrade from 2020 but you need to be packing the PC power to get the most out of what seem like improvements little but the overall as you said is a more believable visual. I did a 707 walk around and auto start last night, it moves the camera through all the stages on startup, I really enjoyed that, and the textures and detail were incredible, 2024 fan here as you can tell.

[@genomind]

When flying Jet fighters, the world loading is not fast enough in msfs 2024 to load the good graphics, so the world in msfs2024 looks worse mostly due to the world loading lagging behind, even with my good internet. With loaded graphics the games just look different, not better or worse, but the level of real detail in msfs2024 is insane, on my smaller airport where we fly irl, the trailers are on the correct places and even our hangar looks nearly identical ingame with the lettering of our club

[@leedove7255]

By using VPN to the USA I was able to get a reliable start. Performance seems good and better than 2020. Still have lots of aircraft that the engine and cockpit sounds don't work. MS still have lots of work to do. I also think the flight model is better.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Same 👍

[@peterregan8691]

Same here. 👍

[@SparkySven]

StormForce is looking sweet, can never beat my own build pc's, that's an on other level. But if they even want a Belgian EU branch. There could be a good colab. Thanks for showing Steve this great video. Would be nice to see diffent ISP connection speeds side by side because I think internet speed and geo location is a important factor, that's why some are using VPN's to other countries to get better performance like VPN to USA instead of UK. I'm in Belgium and being lucky there are huge MS Azure data centers in my country in center and founder member of the EU.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Cheers mate, much appreciated as always 😊

[@matthawk04]

Hopefully this helps someone....it was unplayable for me, but then I turned off the Live Air Traffic in Flight Conditions and also set the Dynamic VR setting to on and to 30 fps. Now I'm flying around Philadelphia currently at a steady 35 fps. Sucks to not have the Live traffic for now, but until the servers settle down, it may help everyone to turn it off.

[@dtrjones]

Today's been better. I'm getting in about 50% of the time using a VPN, hopeless doing this in the UK if you're not using a VPN. Had my first flight in VR around London during the evening and it was stunning! Not totally convinced about all the lighting. I think the runway and taxi lights look absolutely naff. Texture details is great once loaded in and the atmosphere the sim creates during flights feels really good. I think baring a few bugs here and there like the toolbar in VR is unsuable and I can't read the text on the EFB, I'm sure it will all come good in the end though.

[@farske]

I'm gonna go ahead and say for VR in my Q3, rotary craft as a focus... VR in 2024 is not better.... yet.

[@somesimo5122]

I don’t know about you guys but from the first day to today I’ve noticed a significative improvement in performance - even in VR. I’ll give this beast its needed time to get going and then I think we’ll have quite a pretty sim on our hands

[@acurisur]

There's been a massive improvement in performance today, I was able to complete 7 career missions, all running smoothly without any loading delays or stutters.

[@logankesler3421]

We need a comparison between VR on both with native settings. No dlss or reprojection

[@Jonathan-c9h9g]

Did you use anything like fsr or resulutuion different or where the settings the same for both sims pls respond love your vids❤?????

[@skybluerob1]

There's not much difference that I can see, but that might be down to srtreaming as you say. I actually prefer the lighting in this video on 2020. 2024 has all the new modes though so worth switching to if you're an MSFS user (I'm an X Plane user myself but like to keep up with what's going on with MSFS).

[@JosephDawson]

It would be nice to know what anti-aliasing mode your using

[@bakzetary3145]

Thanks for the nice comparison Steve! Lighting is never an issue because we can easily adjust it to our individual tastes via several tools. I'm VERY concerned with bandwidth being at only 24 max here! (Trying not to get a Starlink because of monthly cost if I can get away with it plus we have storms and snow in Winter!) Yes, trees look much better too BUT; watching you for years, the one thing you rarely point out are all the dozens of other ground anomalies that are present that you "Seem", (trying to be fair here) to don't want to talk about! You're not the only KZbin simmer either, BUT if you're going to point out advantages the sim has, how about a balanced approach and ALSO point out what is still NOT fixed???? (I watched a JZ2Cents vid yesterday and he pointed out plenty, WHY; because he is being more objective to the game's release disaster and has no bias one way or the other to this game genre. Food for thought sir. I just want some objective honesty from KZbinrs providing a useful service to the rest of us VS fanboy service for the products we use! (Sitting here with a Pimax Crystal Light that still is not working smoothly because fanboys were touting all it's great features and not being honest of it's limitations when being used on a lesser PC system that was NOT the best money could buy to date!)

[@cyrilgpilot]

Thanks for the comparison! Maybe dx12 was not optimised in 2020? I used dx11 so don't know. I can wait to see this comparison in vr!

[@WorksOnMyComputer]

The potential for 2024 is there, but I'm not going to seriously look at it again until January at the earliest and see if they have the streaming fixed and indeed, if they have some bug releases out by then. In the meantime I rebuilt my PC, installed the latest Nvidia drivers and reinstalled FS2020 with all the updates. Was pleasantly surprised to see my FPS is significantly improved on that version and happy to fly around with FS2020 until I feel FS2024 is ready for release - as opposed to when it was released. :).

[@azur1858]

Hello, thanks for the video. What was your CPU, Memory, and GPU please ?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

13900k, RTX 4090, 32gb ram. Cheers!

[@azur1858]

@@VRFlightSimGuy thanks

[@Dillon737]

I'll dive in 2024 when the major bugs are ironed out and VR is prime time. Also they need to go back to the less complicated keyboard/peripheral assignments that was present in 2020.

[@alanw.4511]

Wow!! Good job!! Is 2024 better than 2020? Off course it is! Is it worth the cost and hassle to upgrade? Not really. Will I be upgrading? Yes, of course, but only once they have worked out the kinks and once it goes on sale. I am not going to pay full retail and waste my time being a beta tester,

[@mikegc3816]

Hi Steve, are you running both versions on the same PC? Cheers Mike

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Affirmative

[@lakota5688]

Thanks for the video, very interesting ! (and surprising ... ). What is your system configuration please ?

[@alecclapperton834]

2024 certainly looks 'cleaner'. The ground is better lit. 2020 seems like it has had a 'dark' filter applied to it. I have a feeling that Asobo are going to cave and allow PC simmers to save scenery to their PC, judging by the outcry in the community at the moment. Time will tell I guess

[@qad417]

@VRFlightSimGuy can You compare flight model of jet liners in XP12 and MS2024? Is it close finaly? Recently I was flying a bit 737 pmdg in 2020 and then I moved to XP12. Day and night. In XP12 it was a lot harder to fly, harder to land, longer to stop after landing. Airplane feels like big heavy plane and in MSFS 2020 its like arcade a bit.

[@acurisur]

Flight model in 2024 is significantly better, you feel the weight of the aircraft a lot more now, even in a little Cessna 172 Skyhawk. Thermals and turbulence are also a lot more realistic where I fly (Florida).

[@qad417]

@@acurisur thx thats good news!

[@sadskytristeciel1439]

Hi friend, was frame generation on? That could be why, and tbis is not possible in VR...

[@knivesout33]

The terrain in 2024 looks excessively bright. Give us the same comparison video but in VR mode.

[@jakeperl5857]

This is consistent with my experience so far. Also, the atmospherics in 2024 are so much better. I've always thought the heavy clouds and overcast in 2020 were very unrealistically dark, moody and yellow.

[@johnraahauge4552]

Are these tests 2D or VR? The lack of QuadViews Dynamic Foveated Rendering is a dealbreaker. I was at 60 FPS in MSFS 2020 and now in MSFS 2024 I'm down to 40-43 FPS with similar settings. 9800X3D, 4090, Pimax Crystal.

[@KnarziGermany]

The VR Performance and the VR Visuals are a realy big step backwards.

[@josepsalvadorpontsanjuan4869]

2D

[@paularrowsmith6829]

Now a new one. Can’t quit to desktop without it hanging !

[@ben433]

Interesting data. In 2D, it looks like you’re using 1080p so it’s mostly CPU bottlenecked. They do seem to have improved that at least. In VR where we’re more GPU limited, I do notice worse performance.

[@War-in-Ukraine.2014]

2020- looks more realistic

[@jasonhurdlow6607]

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. 2024 seems overly bright and washed out. Need more time with it though.

[@War-in-Ukraine.2014]

@ and less clouds

[@xjrthirteen]

​@@jasonhurdlow6607that's exactly what I said on another thread. It seems like a plastic world, bright and clean without the grit of the real world. It's just really weird looking to me.

[@kjelle3133]

@@xjrthirteen absolutely agree. msfs2024 looks fucking abysmal, its a joke, its nowhere near the quality of 2020 in my view. I think it's a con and a massive step backwards.

[@stanradanov428]

Yep- the colors and gamma are just right

[@GillesBertherin-bi1fz]

Thanks for the video. You might consider to make a comparison in the Swiss Alps , whereby 2020 is way better in terms of of graphics: with same settings, MSFS 2024 gives horrible color in the mountains, with far less details on the rocks ( in MSFS 2020, you can clearly see the geological features) whereas in 2024 it is all washed out far too light. ( I have also a high end PC and the FPS are similar for same settings but graphics way better for 2020 - in the Alps, that is)….P.S. both Sim gives me 50 FPS with the F18 as example and the season is May)

[@RolandDobbins]

My experience is totally the opposite of this, with Rocks set to Ultra.

[@andyydna5330]

Thank you so much Steve!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

My pleasure mate. Thanks for your support

[@martinandersson6695]

What Cpu do you got with that 4090? Also crazy when you have 32gb memory and it peaks at over 33gb 😅 I need to get 64gb.

[@abnorth2276]

Do you know if there is any option to download all of the world locations or something in case you got space? I prefer not to rely on network to play the game.

[@Mikinct]

What i've notice is a more "Subtle" improvement. Yes, they said they increase ground texturing. But what i really appreciate is the entire scale feels more realistic. Flying around NYC and msfs2020 feels more gamey while 2024 has a better perspecrive even looking horozontially outside views. Feels more expansive is the word maybe? Anyone else notice the subtle differences?

[@acurisur]

It's a bit more than subtle if you fly around Florida at lower altitudes, the thermals and turbulence really buffet light aircraft around. A definite improvement over 2020.

[@foxtrothuit]

Tried several times this evening and can get in OK but as soon as I go to start a free flight it crashes or just sits looking at me :-) On a positive note, I just ordered the Crystal Light. Thanks for sharing your discount code. Was hoping for the DMAS earphones but not expected until end of Nov. Nice that they have the free shipping offer on top at the moment. Fingers crossed I get a good one :-) Thanks for all you do to help make a decision!

[@foxtrothuit]

Oh yes, got to take the Erickson S-64F Aircrane out over San Diego at last. Woop Woop. Still some strange behaviour but great to get out in a new heli.

[@DMan-ud6bt]

2024 looks better and runs noticeably smoother overall, even in VR. I'm still craving better, more accurate 3D representations of the buildings and world in general though, so I'm hoping we will see many more significant world updates in the future.

[@ognjensobajic5076]

I really dont see that much difference in this video. 2020 looks really good as well.

[@EddieB-h6n]

Was Awsome in Vr on Quest 3 using Ryzen 7 9800X3D just upgraded with Rtx 4090 dlls Auto in settings first time was better than expected like Dcs World but more smoothness but like you said when your having a bad server day its not working properly got bad visuals was a mess when I played again later on hope they fix the server cloud issue .. im taking a Break for a week to avoid more Tress more bugs to Deal with it later hoping there be a fix by then Good luck 👍

[@pilotbsinthesky3443]

How are you getting these results? I located a problem with the NVIDIA overlay that was holding system back to 15fps.. after truning off I'm still at 40 fps in 2024 vs 58 in 2020. How in the world are you getting the complete opposite? settings please? Thanks

[@GWills-ys6rd]

I prefer MS2020 at the moment because I have reached optimal configuration at 120 fps with DLSS and lossless scaling on RTX 4060, plus Rex Atmos makes it look very realistic. No need to upgrade until 2025 once all the initial corrective updates have been released. I can live with the slower loading speeds for now.

[@nickarthurnight1019]

can you do a comparison using the Meta Link app in VR? 2020 vs 2024 in Quest 3?

[@TLabsLLC-AI-Development]

I still think it's not even fully released for many because of the streaming serve issues. Just because we're getting in doesn't mean we're all streaming at intended levels quite yet.

[@gaurlglmistrz]

so hows the 14900k utilization? :)

[@joelmulder]

The photogrammetry in FS2024 looks hideous though, so much worse than FS2020. Which I guess is to be expected since they’re no longer working with BlackShark, but instead doing the photogrammetry in house. Still, very disappointing.

[@robbicus1]

Maybe it's just me, but every building defaults to white. I don't know if it's a streaming issue, or if it's supposed to look that way, but it reduces the immersion level. Have you noticed the same?

[@yukongoldy]

I get a lot better FPS around Los Angeles, but get unseen FPS drops. What I mean by that is I hear crackling noises in my headphones, but I don't see anything while I'm flying. I kept an eye on my FPS counter and every time I hear the crackling, my FPS dropped from 60's to 40's. I have a feeling it's because almost everything is streamed. Everything looks a lot nicer, except the clouds. I play mainly everything on Ultra, but the clouds just seem kind of flat in 2024 compared to 2020. Some of the planes have no visible pilot when looking inside the cockpit from an exterior view. Keybindings are harder in 2024. Some of the same buttons and switches I used in 2020 fail to bind in 2024. I have Virpil gear. I've been lucky, because I have been able to get in quickly and fly. I'm going back to 2020 until I can transfer all my planes from third party devs and my mods to 2024. The cities look a lot worse then 2020, because I don't have my Samscene, Dreamscenery mods in 2024. I'm hoping they will give us a choice to download assets instead of streaming them. I have 1gb internet, but Microsoft/Xbox hasn't been known to have the greatest streaming service when it comes down to Xcloud games.

[@lupo_aim]

Are you using framegen here? In both sims?

[@willbennett1359]

When you press crl alt delete Steve, what does your wifi download show? I have 500mb wifi but horrible ground trxures and it's only using like 33kb when i test with task manager

[@EricEsser]

Very nice!

[@DB-zp9un]

So if you fly a local area a lot, will it keep that data downloaded / cached or will it stream fresh everytime you enter an area once you shut down and re-enter the sim?

[@ThorNjord]

@vrflightsimguy, same test with vr mode? 😊 I’d be curious to see hard numbers on that.

[@Swole_Gecko]

Can you do a comparison of Phoenix AZ in 2020 vs 2024? they removed the high quality photogrammetry for some reason and i wish it could get more exposure to fix it😢

[@mughug9616]

Wonder if the same lighting system was applied to MSFS 2020 they would look very, very similar. I end up with FPS closer to each other then you are getting, why?

[@JP-1962]

Quick question: Which tool are you using for the on-screen stats, please?

[@GovernorHS]

You can activate that in the sim itself under Developer Mode.

[@JP-1962]

@@GovernorHS Thanks!

[@simwhite.]

All the devs will say otherwise i can't help feel VR is another bolt on after thought like 2020

[@theoldar]

I have a high end computer and a 4090, so I'm lucky, but it's obvious that 2024 outperforms 2020 on my rig. Almost no stutters no matter where I fly, and completely smooth. The graphics themselves look better most noticeably over treed areas. As far as landing, the planes are more "slippery" and they take more time to slow down.

[@RandallFields-t1f]

I ONLY HAVE A RYZEN 5 AND A 1660 SUPER 2020 RUNS PERFECT ON MY SETUP AT HIGH END SETTINGS BUT 2024 I GET 5 MABE 10 FPS?

[@ancientmonotheism5118]

So does this mean 24 performs better with the same setup used in 20? I'm on medium end PC

[@pm110978]

What gpu are you using ?

[@HaikiMike]

Did you accidentally reverse the two? Cause I think 2020 still looks way more realistic..

[@slightfimulator4888]

i9-13900K and RTX 4090. 4K ultra settings. MSFS 2020 was about 40 fps, MSFS 2024 is over 100 fps. I don't know why you're seeing a smaller frame rate difference.

[@hannesunterhofer9820]

Does the better performance in v2024 also apply to VR? I just read that the Reverb G2 (or wmr) is no longer supported with Windows 11 24H2. Hopefully this will be fixed later or there is a workaround.

[@jasonhurdlow6607]

Microsoft literally ripped Mixed Reality out of the OS. It's not coming back. MS can go.... !! 🤬

[@GovernorHS]

Workarounds for now are not updating to 24H2 or sticking to win 10.

[@jayfullerton6981]

Is there any way to set up manual cache instead of the streaming rolling cache?

[@HelmutBemboka]

I heard there's no way to save flights in 2024. Is that true?

[@Balthazar030]

Even if i have a VR reverb g2 both i have decided to use 2D in both 2022 and 2024 because i just have a 3080 and i was not able to have a decent experience with acceptable graphics details for my taste. As you i noticed that the flight model is much different than 2020. Certainly more difficult now to land especially if there is an air or if the airport is close to hill/mountain! But seems more realistic to me tbh than 2020.

[@xclavex]

Doesn't look much different at all. In some cases, FS2024 actually looks worse. This looks like a minor upgrade at best. Only improvement I could see is a slight performance increase, but it's not worth a $70 (minimum) price tag. Will give this more time in the oven before spending any money on it.

[@observer6179]

The comparison would be more appreciated if we know what you're working with, i.e. CPU & graphic card.

[@ztublackstaff]

I’ve been having very good performance in the Pimax Crystal, I found that updated the DLSS to 3.1.1, and double checking your Nvidia, and power settings helps. However, and I think it how I had the crystal set up, 2024 looks really washed out. Overall, when it works, 2024 works much better than 2020

[@Crais-nq7xl]

You should precache both areas in both sims for fairness

[@acurisur]

You can't precache in 2024 yet, it's currently disabled

[@Crais-nq7xl]

@acurisur actually you could if you set your cache to like 100gb and prefly the route

[@Coastingonlife]

2024 needs work, especially in tropical waters, like beaches etc. Msfs should partner with dcs

[@HenrikLassu-igenyteremtes]

The thing is , it does perform better for me too, 4090 as well, but it looks so bad many times - im worried that the performance gains are just simply due to the cloud not being able to stream ultra textures …

[@pinkfloyd7572]

My only interest with FS2024 is in increased terrain textures/realism. Not sure I'm seeing that big a bump. The world still looks pretty much the same.

[@acurisur]

I'm not sure you watched the same video as me then because the differences were pretty apparent to me

[@paulgovor]

Yeah they have a long way to go, Google maps are miles ahead in terms photogrammetry accuracy especially when it comes to 3d buildings outside of mega cities it's a shame msfs is stuck with bing maps

[@DreLewis-q9x]

The graphics does look better, and I too are getting better frame rates.

[@vracan]

please do a VR test

[@dtrjones]

I think you might be on to something!

[@MrRamoSzz]

@VRFlightSimGuy are you able to run MSFS 2024 with openXR toolkit? If I turn it on, it crashes the SIM at a random moment, if I use only SteamVR OpenXR then there is no issue.

[@f14billy]

In my case the toolkit was crashing the sim because I had dynamic foveated rendering on. Once I turned it off no more crashes.

[@MrRamoSzz]

@@f14billy foveated rendering in SIM or toolkit?

[@f14billy]

@@MrRamoSzz in the toolkit. Having it set as fixed or off fixed the sim crash for me.

[@Daywalker126]

does msfs2024 support frame gen in VR? i did not found anything about it like in 2020

[@MarBl66]

What annoyed me the most with 2020 were the "inflatable" morphing mountains, to the point that I stopped flying over the Alpes at all. How does 2024 perform in that regard? Has that finally been fixed?

[@SnowTiger45]

The contrast and lighting looks better in 2020 albeit maybe a bit too dark. 2024 is much brighter but the contrast and colours look washed or bleached. I realize this could be different cloud conditions but then that makes it difficult to test 1:1 because the ambient lighting may not be equal in both scenes. From what I can see, I prefer the 2020 scenery and graphics.

[@ikwilgeenkanaalzeur]

For me the streaming is an issue with fast internet, but also the changed controls don’t make a lot of sense. Helicopters especially are super twitchy.

[@Patrick_AV]

How do you get that fps screen in 2024?

[@nrosko]

Just on performance alone I feel the cpu performance is better but is more taxing on gpu. This is just a rough guess when trying it. This may explain why pimax users with high res screen do not see better performance.