MG4 Trophy DC Ultra Fast Test 10-80% and Trophy vs SE STD Range

[@PJWey]

Thanks for comparing SE, highlighting it’s a capable option

[@maximilianholland]

Thanks for the video - these are good cars. You might want to get your head around battery voltages - 400 volts nominal often means ~360 v near empty to ~440 v near full. Some BEVs use a battery with a nominal rating a bit higher, some a bit lower. The nominal voltage rating is the pack voltage when the battery is near half full. Manufacturers don't bother saying "415 volt battery" or "385 volt battery", they just round to "400 volt battery". Likewise with e.g. "800 volt battery" - it may be a bit more or less than that, and be around 700 v empty and 850 v full, but they are not going to market it as a "775 volt battery", even if the nominal voltage is in fact rated at 775 volts. Also... Recharging a battery is - by definition - lifting the pack voltage back towards its maximum potential difference (i.e. its maximum voltage). Keep up the great videos.

[@chrispenn715]

I don't often need to charge away from home, but I've seen a very similar performance on my Trophy from the Fastned chargers in Ipswich. 👍

[@davidmorgan3359]

I charged my trophy last weekend, went from 20 percent to 80 percent in 23 minutes, which is great, what was not so great is it cost 31 pounds same price as a fuel vehicle, disgusting.

[@tonystock856]

Yes daylight robbery.

[@raffy7024]

Wow! I went from 15% to 80% in 23 minutes. It cost me £22.77 at a BP Pulse 150. This was in my MG4 SE LR.

[@EXSKIN]

Just done Boppard Germany to Bristol in my Trophy Fastned sub £9.99 to start in Boppard £10.99 sub to Tesla used 1 in Germany 1 in Belgium and then a full charge at the tunnel, then 1 at Wokingham all Tesla this cost me about roughly £60. Loving my EV life so far.

[@VortexMotiveVision]

Brilliant video, as ever.

[@brynphipps8374]

Thanks this video is very helpful! We are looking to get one and I think I might a worth the little more for the faster charging.

[@whatsnext5460]

Nice video :) happily awaiting my mg4, but nice to find out about the card you mentioned so ordered that. Shame i can’t go to intelligent (MG4 not supported and have a pod point charger). Not sure if the Mg could ever become supported but fingers crossed

[@ajtame]

Does the electroverse card give some kind of discount or benefit over using another method?

[@stuart_thomas]

It does. Sometimes it’s pennies but others as much as 20%

[@KubaYa1411]

Nice video. I would only suggest cut bit more at post-production as it's too long in my opinion.

[@stuart_thomas]

Thanks for the comments.

[@rcosnett]

Interesting video

[@billienomates7100]

So 63p/kW is the norm? Because that really puts me off buying an electric vehicle. I was under the impression it was much cheaper to operate an electric vehicle than an ICE but when most EVs can only get 3 miles per KW, meaning they are functionally 9MPG in terms of fuel price, that puts a massive overhanging shadow over my next potential purchase.

[@stuart_thomas]

It differs everywhere. Cheapest I’ve seen on an incentive model is around 30p. If you can charge at home like me you can access 7.5p kWh.

[@engraveprinting9029]

MG4 Trophy on order - 1st time EV Driver. Why did the machine say no contactless? IS this common, should i be worried??? How do you pay if you dont have energy through your supplier (I'm British Gas)

[@stuart_thomas]

Congrats on making the leap to EV. You can pay for these charging sessions through 3rd party apps like I do or through Ionities app.

[@syph92]

I've taken delivery of my MG4 trophy but it won't charge above 97% is this normal?

[@cloggsy1971]

I’ve had an indicated 143kW on a Jet 150kW charger 👌🏻👍🏻 in my Trophy

[@stuart_thomas]

🙌

[@adamkennington7046]

That’s strange, I’ve charged my MG4 Trophy at that exact Ionity many times and get a flat 135-140kW past 50%, with slower tail off. Great and interesting video though :)

[@raffy7024]

Incredible speeds! I managed to reach 116.5kW and thought that was fast however this was at a BP Pulse 150 station.

[@DannySB991]

Hi Stuart, I'm curious, I notice the 100% range on the screen shows 221 miles, but the Trophy advertises 277 (I think?) Why does that differ so much?

[@stuart_thomas]

Hi Danny, thanks for the question. All EVs are tested in a controlled environment which is called the WLTP. They suggest the range for the manufacturers based on their testing. Theoretically, you can achieve 277 miles in the right conditions but realistically ‘real world’ range is a little different when you contest outside temperatures, speed, weather, driving styles, tyres etc there’s so many variables I could list. The car tries to be as realistic as it can and you’ll find most EVs will over estimate its actual range, in most about 15-20%. Have a look at MGs figures for all climates and road settings and you’ll see the range figures vary. Another good source is EV-Database. I do a motorway 70mph range test in the car 100-0% to understand its ‘worst case scenario’ to give consumers an accurate idea of worst case. Of course you can adapt your driving to suit the range you need at any time. I hope this helps

[@Dave-in-France]

You do understand that an Ionity (or any other make) super fast charger will only deliver the maximum charge of 350 kw/hr "if all the stars are aligned". In other words: 1. Is The car in question CAPABLE of receiving 350 kw/hr, which certainly not the case with any of the MG's. 2. The ambient and battery temps are perfect; 3. The range in the 'tank' has plenty of space to accept being force-fed with electrons; 4. The day has a Y in it; 5. The British government are all honest 'Good Men and True'; This whole debate about how quickly an EV can charge from 10 - 80% is so sterile and depends on so many factors, even in your video the charger was throttling back from about 40%. Charge your car, drive your car, Charge your car, drive your car, Charge your car, drive your car, And get on with your life.

[@stuart_thomas]

Thanks for your comment Dave. There seems to be a miss-conception that EV drivers expect to get 350kW just because they arrived at a 350kW charger🤷‍♂️. Maybe that is the case for some???! If you’re familiar with the Bristol area charging network, there’s a big gap between 125 and 350kW charging facilities alongside motorway corridors. If I’m going to ‘test’ for the purpose of a video my peak charging speed and curve and my nearest is a 350 then, damn I know where I’m heading. It’s IONITY and works well and gives me data others don’t. Many 150kW chargers in the area where I charge will only open up that full power if you have an 800v architecture like MFG. It’s also worth mentioning that a charger is a charger. It doesn’t matter what speed it is as long as it charges an EV. There’s consideration if you’re somewhere which provides multiple outlets at different speeds, but it’s just a charger. There’s consideration if I revisit a charger because you know it well and know it works. I think you see where I’m going…

[@tonyrest6714]

£28.98 for 46 kwh ? 148 miles range added . Please tell me im wrong 🤔

[@brickmissing8295]

He went from 14 to 172miles estimated range, so 158 miles added (although he’d just come off a 70mph motorway test so est range would have been lower than for mixed driving - but realistic for a motorway fuelling stop). 48kWh x £0.63 = £30 cost. ICE equivalent for 158 miles at 45mpg and £1.50/litre = 158 / 45 / 0.22 * £1.5 = £24. So in this case ICE is 20% cheaper and takes 5mins vs 30mins to refuel.

[@brickmissing8295]

IMHO EVs only make sense if you can do 99% of your charging at home.

[@richardseville8122]

Hi Stuart, will you be doing a test drive on the mg4ev x power?

[@stuart_thomas]

I’m trying to negotiate something with my local MG dealer 🤞

[@raffy7024]

@@stuart_thomasThis is something I’d like to see! Fingers crossed.

[@richardhowlett9424]

May I recommend the Geoff Buys Cars channel to you , and all who watch this .

[@TheRealSimpsons1]

How about the cost?

[@markymarkreviews]

Informative vid. Impressive charge speeds. Puts many more expensive EVs to shame. However, the 80-95% part is still important when you are on a long journey, and I have read it is really very slow at those battery %'s. But no complaints with its 7% to 80% speeds! I just had a test drive of the X-Power MG4 a few days ago which was awesome. A great all round car, Fun and comfortable and bloody fast for the price. But I feel the 77kWh battery will be the one to have with that (not available as yet) and not the 64kWh ,as efficiency was only 2.8mi/kWh giving a real world 173 miles. On a warm sunny day also. Is there an issue with these and Tesla SuperChargers? And does the MG come with a cheap rate Ionity subscription? My Hyundai Ioniq 5 did and I have been loving the (even faster)rapid charging and just 25p/kWh! But that will be ending soon..

[@stuart_thomas]

Thanks for the comments Mark. I agree a full charge is also important if it’s required however, that last 30-20% grinds down to such a slow speed you’d be more time efficient to plug back in again at a low or lower state of charge. X-power sounds great. I have a Tesla m3 so I can appreciate that power, but with dual motors like you said, it will destroy efficiency. I was expecting this model to ship with the larger battery so that’s a shame. I’ve used Tesla chargers many times with the MG4 so no issues with the 4 but I have heard of issues with the ZS models. As far as I’m aware no incentive's or charging plans with new MGs. I use Electroverse which I get with Octopus energy which does offer some great deals across various chargers. I love the ioniq 5, I’ve been living with one for two weeks for my ‘used EV series’. I’m totally in love with it, especially the charging but efficiency isn’t the best but it’s a big heavy car etc Thanks again for the great comments 👍

[@ytdood]

Highest I've seen on my MG4 trophy was at a Tesla SC, peaking at 142kW and it pretty much sustained that up to 50%, quite impressive. My only gripe is that the 23MY refresh (I've got the 22MY) has a few nice things, like a better infotainment version and one pedal driving, but other than that, I love it, despite its annoying quirks, like the LKA and glitchy software.

[@stuart_thomas]

Very impressive. One pedal driving is definitely a must in EVs, not to fussed with the extra head rest and rear wiper as I don't use them but I appreciate others would. From the EVs I'm currently testing, LKA is awful in all of them so MG4 isn't isolated. Thanks for the comment and enjoy your MG4

[@ytdood]

@@stuart_thomas Thanks Stu, been watching your videos long before getting mine and your reviews were a contributing factor, so enjoy yours as well :)

[@stuart_thomas]

@@ytdood really appreciate your comments and your time watching my videos 👍

[@2ndshooter688]

Anyone know how long it takes to charge a trophy from 20% to 80% on a standard home charger (7kw)? Thanks!

[@chrispenn715]

That's approx 36kw of charge at 7kw an hour is just over 5 hours (roughly). Which tallies with my experience at home.

[@ndc5544p]

400V architecture just means that the pack is around 400V and not up to 400V. You'd see the same thing on the stellantis and other chinese brands.

[@stuart_thomas]

I concur. In this test it does show that the car wanted to remain at 400 and under until it wasn’t possible.

[@ndc5544p]

@@stuart_thomas it cannot try to stay below 400V because the nominal voltage of the pack is at 380V. The car has 104S1P cell configuration. At 3,7V typical nomical voltage per cell (50% SoC) while idle and not charging, it nets out 384V. At 4,2V per cell (fully charged) you'd get 436V in the pack. While charging the voltage is higher than while idle. There are some discrepancies due to buffers and how the BMS manages everything. Renault Zoe for that matter has 96S2P, which gives you 355V nominal and 403V when it's fully charged.

[@mattsmith-yg8zg]

I thought the 23 had a rear wiper, larger/different style wheels and ac interface changed?

[@raffy7024]

I’ve got a 23-plate MG4 SE LR and was surprised when it turned up with a rear wiper. Do you know if that will be the norm now?

[@mattsmith-yg8zg]

@@raffy7024 I don't. Are the wheels 18" and a different style as well? Also the AC interface I believe is updated to a new layout??

[@raffy7024]

@@mattsmith-yg8zg Hi, I just had a look - I didn’t even notice the wheels or updated AC interface but yes - 18” wheels and new AC interface on my one.

[@mattsmith-yg8zg]

What country have you received that in?

[@raffy7024]

@@mattsmith-yg8zg I’m based in the UK.

[@nodrog630]

How much did the charge cost ?

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

44kW at 63p i think he said so £27.72p

[@johntoft1371]

nice video but please drop the annoying music

[@jsg5833]

Brilliant vid thanks for your efforts truly helps 👍 sub from me here on out

[@brickmissing8295]

I can add >450 miles range in

[@andyeaton7045]

Why are you using a 350 charger. The car can't pull more than 150.

[@stuart_thomas]

Thanks for the comment Andy, quick question, do you have an EV?