[MHR SB] Status Trigger Bow is Very Disappointing…

[@11amasuperboy]

Capcom's been really taking a hack saw to blast since 4U, sadly, so I'm not surprised. Nowadays, I feel it's more for breaking parts than it is dealing overall damage.

[@dapebbletoad7618]

I literally just decided to put together a status trigger blast bow build to try out yesterday. It appears I set it up the same way as you did too, except I used the base commander chest because that worked better with my charm and qurious crafting. I also came to a similar conclusion about its effectiveness. The blasts just got way too infrequent halfway through the hunt. Oh well, at least I tried it.

[@kyozo5800]

I love how you made your equipment display template. Nice build as well.

[@Kevin-sg8jq]

that's a problem that MH games have had since forever, and its damage customization, or you go raw, or u go elemental, but there are no options to increase optional damage types, being blast or poison, it would be really nice that in future games, capcom implemented more damage types, it would be really cool being able to scale poison for a DoT build, or explosive builds, or even bleed builds! last time they implemented a new damage type, was blast back in MH3

[@11amasuperboy]

Poison is decent now because of Status Trigger. I won't say it's going to be the new meta, but the ability to keep poison up for almost the entire hunt can really add up. 30 damage a second for even five minutes is like 9k damage.

[@Vazio3]

@@11amasuperboy Possibly pretty good for multiplayer but bad for solo? Unsure if they changed how poison damage works but in MHW in multiplayer it dealt more damage because it's based on the monster HP.

[@Mr_Mellowz]

@@Vazio3 Poison in rise is a flat 30 damage per second, no scaling

[@BlueVoltageBlader]

Trying to get these skills in a build: -SpreadUp 3 -Const5 -StamSurge3 -WE3 -CritBoost3 -CritEye7 -Build Boost3 -Status Trigger3 -Adrenaniline Rush3 -BladescaleHone3 -Burst 1/2/3 -Coalescene 1/2/3 -BloodLust1/2/3 -AB 4/5/6/7 -EW3/4/5 -EE1/2/3 -PowderMantle 1/2/3 -WW3 -SpareShot3 -BloodRite1/2/3 Can I? its so hard Any idea guys? How to?

[@shadictheultimate]

One of the benefits of the bishaten bow is that it doesn't require mighty bow plus charge to reach level four

[@Nooctae]

For the next update, I'm rather hoping Flaming Espinas has a good Fire Bow offer, be it Spread or Rapid, because Fire is really full of mediocre choices right now.

[@BigGuy1989]

The Silver rath bow is pretty good though.

[@Nooctae]

@@BigGuy1989 It's alright, but the Raw on it is pretty bad. I'd rather have a 320 raw 30ish fire than a 300 raw 50 fire.

[@BigGuy1989]

@@Nooctae yeah but you also have that 35% affinity which combined with bloodlust easily gets you to 100% affinity on weakpoints.

[@NibbleSnarph]

Interesting I used this with the pyre rakna kadaki, bc I enjoy pierce, and it's getting very similar times to my standard ele pierce comfy sets, it really shines in multi monster quests, where the dmg is a larger % of the health pools, and your triggers don't have time to fall off. I don't use it for afflicted quests, but for cleaning up the quest list from a completionist stand point. If the quests has 3 monsters it feels similar to what I normally run, but I also don't run meta sets so there's that. Here's what I run Pierce Bow builds: BoltBoost, DodgeBolt, Stake Thrust, Focus Shot Bows: Rakna, Teo soul, not optimal but I like explosions Survivability/utility: -EE2 -EW3 -Bubbly 3 -StamSurg 3(1 from QC) -Con 1 -Ballistics 3 -Reload speed 2 -Steadfast 3 -Blight Res 1 (from QC) Damage: -Peirce 3 -Coalesence 3 (1 from QC) - Resucitate 3 -Adrenaline Rush 2 -Latent Power 1 (1 from slot upgrade QC) -Bloodlust 1 -Chain Crit 1 -Bladescale 1

[@NibbleSnarph]

Update: with the release of crit ele from silver los, and having tested that out after this set. Yea.... Ele dominates. Makes me sad, but this comes.no where close in terms of time. Still fun though, like booms.

[@corukana]

Man I wish status bow could be better. Why don't we get other innate statuses on bow. I would love a poison bow build.

[@TheDobbyDigital]

Question for you: In pretty much every clip we see, you have power coatings active (unless you have close range coating active), but there are only 50 power coatings (70 if you count bring nitro shrooms). Do you typically head back to camp when the monster switches areas to restock? I mainly use pierce bows, and I typically just save power coatings for when I've got really good openings. If I recall correctly, power coatings give a 1.35 times damage multiplier, and so in my mind it doesn't seem worthwhile to go back to camp, since you only need around 25 shots to make up the difference. But was wondering if you had a different approach, or if I'm forgetting something. I was a bow main in World, and switched to longsword for Rise for most monsters since the bow felt more button mash-like than I enjoyed in World. But your videos have peaked my interest in trying out bow again. Thank you for the excellent videos and guides!

[@LyonOlivier69]

No it’s not worth going back camp. Normally in short hunts you should have enough power coating for most of the hunt, but for afflicted you’re gonna run out pretty quick. For longer hunts I like to bring bladescale lv1, which when it’s active will boost your close range coating dmg up to power coating levels. That way it allows to save on power coatings and have roughly enough to get through a whole afflicted hunt

[@LateralKiki]

how much status does the coatings apply with each arrow hit?

[@SuperHansburger93]

I made the same build for my own tests and came up to the same conclusion. You can clearly feel that blast procs more often, but the damage is so low, it makes no difference to the DPS. So pure raw builds are still the best for non-elemental match-ups, even if the monster is weak to blast.

[@FrAmesX12583]

hi Tidus, could it be a good option to insert master charge?

[@zacharyfeldman9842]

I’ve had a lot of fun with status trigger savage axe…

[@jytt87]

Is there a reason the 'status trigger has been activated' message isn't appearing on the side when you dodgebolt? Watching other melee weapon videos with status trigger, the message should appear the same as adrenaline rush does, but it looks like it is not proc-ing.

[@LyonOlivier69]

It is showing on the zinogre/seregios clips, but thé silver rathalos clip didn’t use blast, I just ran out of background footage lol sorryb

[@eivind261093]

I feel like if you wanted to play a blast build despite it being weaker than your alternatives, it would be because you wanted to go all-in on blast; level 3 blast attack, level 2 Teostra soul, and the Teostra rampage deco. With all of these combined, maybe the blast procs wouldn't be as weak as what you're experiencing - though I haven't tried to play it, or tried to run any numbers. From my understanding, the main advantage with blast as a damage type is its versatility; it won't ever be the strongest, but you'll be able to stick with the same build, always, in every fight.... though you could say the same for raw or other statuses. I don't know if this is true, but I saw someone make a claim about blast damage the other day - that it's unique in that monsters technically have infinite potential resistance to blast. Monsters build resistance to all statuses, but on other statuses there's a maximum limit to how 'resistant' a monster is going to get, whereas blast will keep taking longer and longer to proc, every time you apply it, technically scaling infinitely. If it's true, it's an inherent problem with how blast damage works in the game, which makes it inherently weaker than... honestly all other damage types (aside from using elements that the monster is resistant to) - no other damage type keeps getting weaker and weaker as a fight goes on, regardless of how long the fight keeps going, since poison stops getting weaker after a certain point.

[@arcaduque]

I made a build that is really focused on blast, even with Teostra's bow and that's pretty much it. Kinda matches the feeling of playing Sticky BG tbh. I just hit whatever is there to be hit, just chilling and eventually not leaving a single part to be broken (added partbreaker btw). Also I've got the impression that the skill status trigger in multiplayer may not be the best for this purpose (chilling and not worrying), as, to trigger it, you need to be focused. I really want means to max out blast and fit blood rite 3, but the Teostra's and Malzeno's pieces needed don't match... On the resistance topic: that's exactly how it works. But I FEEL that, in the usual 10~12 min 4 players chill run, the sum of the progressions (however the graphs present) of each status evens out; for example you will trigger A LOT of blasts before the first poison (depending on the monster ofc but as a general rule).

[@LyonOlivier69]

No blast does have a threshold like every other status. The only thing is afflicted monsters max threshold is extremely high, so it’s very likely that you won’t reach it at all, or until the end of the hunt. When it comes to focus on blast procs, I get that you would want to focus on it for a blast build, it makes sense. Dmg wise it’s worse than just stacking attack, but like I said in the vid, bow is bow so it’ll still be fine lol

[@eivind261093]

@@LyonOlivier69 Thanks for the fact check - like I said, I was quoting that from a claim I saw someone else make, so I'm glad you were able to confirm it was not true. Love your speedruns! I'm not very good, but one of your Valstrax runs inspired me to try to pick up the bow :)

[@peepeestorm3187]

Do you think you could put out more bow tutorial resources? I have friends who want to learn bow, and I don't think I can think of a better person to have show them how than you.

[@greadyknight]

is poison remotely viable for bow? also does buildup boost not work here?

[@LyonOlivier69]

Not really no, also buildup boost only increase damage on the hits that inflicts status, so if you’re using poison coatings. And poison coatings does a ton less damage than power/close range, because 1: it removes element damage and 2: you don’t have increase raw damage from power/close range coating

[@greadyknight]

@@LyonOlivier69 good to know. Currently trying to learn bow/gun.

[@arielyako]

the only time I use blast build is for afflicted Astalos. Worst fight for bow. Definitely never touch that sht again. You can finish 2 or even 3 mizu/rath by the time you finish 1 astalos.

[@QuickSynchro]

Hi Tidus, off topic question, I am really curious, if one had a complete freedom of qurio crafting and talisman what should the go to skills be to maximize damage apart from the core skills. I would also like to know what you would personally like building in such freedom.

[@Andrem1013]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who yearned for an explosive bow... but also disappointed that your results were the same 😭 Even if you wanted to slot blast or teostra, you see like a 20-40 dmg increase per procc, and it's a huge slot commitment when the two slots for blast can be more attack related skills. good try, my friend! Love your content

[@TokiGK]

That's an interesting video however I would say that it is not very relevant to talk about the percentage of an Afflicted Monster's HP because a high percentage of the damage are dealt by attacking the qurio's spots (Red Damages). It would be way more relevant to talk about normal Monster's HP imo

[@LyonOlivier69]

Fair point, the average damage per arrow was moslty what I used to compare the sets

[@mikemosc3254]

Yo tidus. If you see this, please do a video about status bow with the new risen chameleos perks in addition to the golden rathian skills.

[@vanguard0nly]

What is he using to track damage dealt

[@LyonOlivier69]

Coavin

[@awakenedcrowl]

Thanks. Was wondering how blast with status trigger would perform, but so far, I was too lazy to try

[@andrestan6247]

Hi! Kind sir I've been looking everywhere for a decebt keybind video on bow. Are ypu using the same keybinds from the video you released 7 months ago? Thank you!

[@LyonOlivier69]

Yes it hasn't changed :)

[@astartespete]

disappointing but expected, thanks man.

[@kekk3809]

any builds for frozen solstice? its like the best spread bow with 30% affinity and decent raw

[@LyonOlivier69]

Nah not really, it has no element, and for a raw bow it has very low raw (chameleos has 370 raw). Also no power coatings. If you want to use it, just stack raw skills + wex crit boost and shot type. Try to put as much attack boost as possible. But i would recommend going another direction

[@_CE53]

I think it's meta against Atahl Ka. Speaking which... you've been awfully quiet about strats for that monster in Sunbreak.... coincidence?

[@extexc280]

We got Atahl Ka??

[@Kevin-sg8jq]

what is this dude talking about?! Atahl Ka is from GU

[@LyonOlivier69]

👀

[@Planterobeets]

Blast was meta in rampage ticket farming, Applying status ailments to 20 monsters

[@LyonOlivier69]

There is no rampage in sunbreak though

[@Planterobeets]

@@LyonOlivier69 i know, just saying at least blast at some point was useful lol

[@LyonOlivier69]

@@Planterobeets oh right lol sorry

[@Planterobeets]

@@LyonOlivier69 btw have you tested blast bow with buildup boost + status trigger +Charge master?

[@tilly3702]

Thanks for the video Sensei Tidus! Have a lovely day.

[@LyonOlivier69]

Thank you, you too my friend

[@davidmarkovic2058]

whats the best raw pierce bow right now?

[@LyonOlivier69]

Either pyre rakna or shogun bow. They’re pretty even

[@davidmarkovic2058]

@@LyonOlivier69 ok thanks i tought because of this video rakna isnt the best anymore

[@imahaloguy]

I’ve been looking forward to this video! The title really disappoints me. Do you think it could be meta if a stronger blast blow was introduced? Or really no chance… :/ Also noticed you used the anti-species rampage deco and not the Teostra rampage. I assume you tested this and it didn’t add enough to the blasts to matter?

[@imahaloguy]

And you answered both those questions in the last minute of the video! Haha

[@LyonOlivier69]

Exactly, anti species is just a lot better. I’m hoping they add a blast bow with high raw, that would potentially be useful on low ele figjts

[@imahaloguy]

@@LyonOlivier69 you mentioned that on average you’d get about 6000 damage from blasts. How much does the teo rampage boost blast by? What would that number become in that case?

[@LyonOlivier69]

@@imahaloguy I didnt say on average, I said at the very maximum. Usually it’s more around 3-4 thousands. Teo soûl rampage déco is 20% blast dmg

[@sleepymomentssounds]

I feel like Capcom could have introduced a poison or paralyze bow like the blast bow

[@user-rn7wf7ry4s]

bow needs nerfs, not more CC and consistent access to foray.

[@sleepymomentssounds]

@@user-rn7wf7ry4s they already nerfed the bow last time 😑

[@toroukmh1056]

Should be ok with a nice raw/blast bow and status trigger jewel on raw based match up! Did you try Teo bow? To be honest i think blast stat on the spread bow is too weak to be relevant. Even if i know it wont be enough to compete with elemental meta bows on high HP monsters, i think Teo bow can be ok on multimob quests.

[@LyonOlivier69]

Yes I did, teo bow is definitely a better bow, bishaten bow kinda sucks. I was still getting better time and dps with bishaten just because it’s a spread bow, but the stats on teo are better

[@toroukmh1056]

@@LyonOlivier69 OK i see. So we need a spread bow with chame bow raw and phials, teo bow blast stat or higher and daimyo slots haha. Ty for all your tests Tidus!

[@toroukmh1056]

@@LyonOlivier69 hope you're ready to test it again with new chame skill ^^

[@MH.Speedcrawler]

Is this viable for other statuses? Paralysis for example, can you proc it enough times to get a standing target often enough to out-damage other builds?

[@xeroze01]

There is no bow of any other status type. Status coatings do not proc at the 1/3 proc rate (it always procs) so status trigger does nothing.

[@LyonOlivier69]

Like xeroze said, only status bows are blast. Coatings already have 100% application

[@MH.Speedcrawler]

@@LyonOlivier69 wait for a monster that takes little raw and elemental damage, then this glass hammer will be useful!

[@LyonOlivier69]

@@MH.Speedcrawler well we already have that, astalos takes little raw and elemental damage and is weak to blast. And blast is still not the best option 😂

[@extexc280]

Hmm

[@Jbrowni3]

I made a GoldRath/L.Narga mixed set with teostra waist for teo soul. Its honestly a pretty intense set. I wreck shit with it. Although I don't bother with constitution or stamina surge for it, as the focus shot wirebug thing regens stamina godly fast- leaving me room for some other stuff. Example: Chargemaster has been fun to add into it

[@Chopstickk]

Kinda unrelated but what are your thoughts on evade window for bow in rise? I used to run it on world but i don't see much merit on running it now. Asked this cuz i was contemplating whether to slot in EW+4 on my free 4 slot to get EW 5 but i chose to just go for ballistics 4 (I use rapid and mainly run multi)

[@LyonOlivier69]

Yea if you play rapid ballistics will be better. Evade window is kinda eh, cause it doesn’t affect the counter on dodgebolt. It does affect the s, but not by a whole lot. Usually, if you want to use evade window, lucent arms are a good compromise cause they have ew3 by default but I wouldn’t necesssrily focus on it more than that

[@cathd5675]

How about you actually raise your blast instead of using status trigger with the base blast you get from the weapon 😂😂 you gotta mix it up bro this is just a horrible build

[@LyonOlivier69]

Not really no, blast attack decorations are extremely inneficient. You get a lot more benefit from wearing a single piece to gold rathian armor that’s pretty good skill/slot wise. Status trigger is a much better status skill than blast attack on a point by point ratio

[@cathd5675]

@@LyonOlivier69 blast attack is far from the only skill that raises blast coalescence, blast attack and charge master. All of them combined with teo blessing and status trigger makes blast very liable for a high blast bow like teo. I have a build like that with max crit boos wex etc

[@LyonOlivier69]

@@cathd5675 this build does have coalescence, teostra soul only is on teostra armor which makes the build a lot weaker by sacrificing a lot of raw from sinister/lucent. And charge master is a 5-10-15% on status which is is equally as inefficient as blast attack. At most you’ll gain 3-5 blast procs by sacrificing all your raw dmg for it. It’s a very bad trade off

[@Mr_Mellowz]

I think you need to spend some effort and actually test the DPS of these builds before commenting stupid shit like this, because you are just flat out wrong. Stacking blast is TERRIBLE, and WAY worse DPS than just using good armor and raw skills....

[@cathd5675]

@@Mr_Mellowz bro there is a limit to how much you can stack dps u can stack blast and still get what you need for dps. Augmentation? You obviously haven’t built a good build lmao if you need for dps and stacking blast go grind then augments rookie

[@antoniograniero1490]

Tidus. What's happening? Why are there no more videos🥲 We needs your content💪✌️

[@LyonOlivier69]

I’m tired of rise, I’m burnt out with the game

[@antoniograniero1490]

@@LyonOlivier69 Understandable. I saw the phemeto's video, and he also says that he is tired of the game. And it is understandable because there is a lack of important news. An event quest is more hard than a normal quest, and if it does not reward it adequately, it makes no sense to play them. dances and titles, no matter how beautiful they are, are FOR NOTHING adequate rewards for event quests. I think that the Title Updates should arrive every 15 days, not every month. And the event quests, every 3/4 days.

[@LyonOlivier69]

@@antoniograniero1490 yes i pretty much agree with all the Phem said. Even the new title update they announced today didn’t get me excited at all

[@antoniograniero1490]

@@LyonOlivier69 MH Sunbreak is saved if, and only if, a new Black Dragon is added, along with obviously many 4U monsters, such as Lava Tigrex to understand. Unlikely, because given how the development team is supporting the game, I don't think it will happen, and even if a few more monsters do happen it won't make me say, wow I really spent my 40 euros well .... Sorry for my English if I've missed any word/s.