Miami Hurricanes Survive Va Tech...Was it a catch? Are the Canes over rated? Cristobal outcoached?

[@SouthCoastCane]

Guys, I AGREE and echo EVERYTHING y'all said. Both of you were spot on. Thanks for the kind words. Keep up the good work guys!!

[@jpDragna]

I saw the same replays and I clearly saw no control through the ground. I think we all just don't understand what...well not what a catch is, but how both the league and NCAA define a catch. There was a play in 2023 I think, Dallas-Eagle, where the definition of a catch screwed with people's minds. In that case they showed that the player hadn't established firm control until later in the play, but even though that happened at the end of the tussle, the player was marked down at the spot his knee initially touched and a defender made contact. No fourth down conversion. Same thing with the Jesse James Steelers play that didn't happen. That was an example of this call in action but without a defender being involved. By the way the rulebook is written, you can literally have a player catch a ball toe tap in, get smacked against the sideline and drop the ball and it's an incomplete pass. That's the first part of the rules that applied, the second was the interaction of the defender, and it's something I've seen called before but can't find which teams it was. If there's firm control throughout ties go to the offensive player, always. I never understand why I see dudes ripping at each other for 30-40 seconds after the play. Even if the offensive player only has a palm or two on the ball and it looks like you caught it, ties go to the receiver. When there's no firm control, all rules apply to all players involved, and this is what the ACC officially announced as the decision. No firm control, a defender out of bounds handled the ball before firm control was established, the play is immediately dead at that point. Watch the sideline view again. As soon as the receiver's butt lands that ball is still slipping about in everyone's hands, and a defender's touching it before any control is established again. I do think the receiver does eventually re-establish control before it's popped out at the end, but it doesn't matter at that point. By proxy the ball was out of bounds and incomplete at that point. I don't understand the hate to Cristobal either. First off, the coordinators and players gotta be doing those half time speeches. Second, he hired someone on the field to help him with time management so you can't say he isn't trying to correct his glaring issues. Third I'll take a coach that can recruit over a coach that wants to coach. I'm looking at Ryan Day who claimed to be able to coach and recruit, and he's never won it with all the talent in the world. Give me someone who can manage the business of building a team. Finally, what was the score against USF at halftime? You want to be mad about what we saw last year, fine. But don't lie and pretend this team hasn't already proven it can make halftime adjustments. Going from 22-15 at the half, and outscoring your opponent 28-0 sure is a sign of a team that can't make adjustments. What about second half of VaTech adjustments? There were still missed tackles, but they held the Hokies to 10 points on 140 total yards. The defense needed to make a stand on six straight plays to prevent an INT from turning into more points. Despite that INT the offense went for 267 total yards and three touchdowns. Outscoring your opponent 21-10 in the second half is good, outgaining them by 120 yards is good. It was a weird night where Houston cousins were balling out for no good damn reason. You take away a phantom holding call when Miami had just scored to go up 21-7, y'all might not even be having that conversation. We also had a lot of attrition on the front line. Elijah Alston was injured at different points. Baron and Barrow also missed significant time. The tackling was poor, but quite a bit of it was because of what we were missing. Final thought, speaking of what's missing, we played our worst game of the season by far, but teams do that starting into their conference play. Georgia and Alabama are verifiable proof of that. I watched Bama and Miami play USF back to back weeks. You asked me then which team I thought would win on a neutral field and I would have (and still would) say tossup. Know why I say tossup? Ward had three turnovers, he was incredibly inconsistent (63% passing a season low), and he still accounted for all 5 of our TDs, and we still had over 500 total yards. What I thought before this game holds true now, teams (all teams) are going to have to outscore Miami. This was unequivocally a bad game, but we still did something we only did twice last year, score 35+ against a P4 (P5 then I guess) opponent. I don't know that I'm flipping all the way back to doom and gloom just because of one game. I've seen marked progress in on field coaching (holy crap is Jason Taylor ready for the next level, dude's passion is infectious), this team never seems to doubt itself, and with Ward at the helm you can see the talent levels of the players around him.

[@komandanteify]

Do we really have talent? If you remove Cam from this team, we are average at best! Best players are still Manny players. Rivers, X, George, Arryo, Borrogales, and Horton! Mario is not an elite recruiter! That is all BS look how VTech pushed our shit in! Also look how Caleb went to Vtech and balled! We have horrible coaching at Miami.

[@stephenhill1131]

You are the one of the few who actually believes that mario is not an elite recruiter 😂😂😂

[@komandanteify]

@stephenhill1131 name me the elite players on the field. I will start Bain. Give me 5 more I dare you

[@stephenhill1131]

@@komandanteify cici,fletcher,lyle,horton,brown(injured),bain,Bryant

[@stephenhill1131]

@@komandanteify Wesley bissainthe,daryll porter but let me guess they are not in your mind because it doesn't fit your narrative

[@stephenhill1131]

@@komandanteify you have an argument when it comes to coaching but talent acquisition is not the problem