This archeological dig site in Miami is uncovering 7,000-year-old history

[@morgandollar7146]

"Boss, I found an arrowhead!" "No, you didn't."

[@ronpflugrath2712]

About one percent anctient stone point shape rest are way different shapes.long inthe ground are cover w soil no color shows you all miss spot soil dries you may spot some pieces, screen it.

[@kippywylie]

Famous bridge project in Washington State near Port Angeles.... worker says "boss, I found some pottery", later they found bones and more but kept working on the multi-million dollar state project. Word got out, project shut down ENTIRE PROJECT delayed for over a year and moved to a different location. Much bones found and each bone required a convoy of police escorts and archiologists to the Native Culture center 3 hours south. $50 million dollars, and as a state employee all of us had to attend Cultural Awareness courses to identify the arrowheads, bones, even bumps in the ground where tribes once dried huckleberries. Turns out the bridge site was a centuries old Indian burial site.

[@Lyerbait13]

Lol

[@SKG1941]

Say arrowhead again see what happens. Lol.

[@topdollajay]

😭😭😭

[@annjuurinen6553]

At 7000 years old it is a world heritage site.

[@NanZingrone]

A building houses a department store in Bologna, where the ground floor has a sturdy see-through floor where excavations of an earlier culture can be seen. I think the building also includes access to the archeological site for archeologists. It seems to me that the developers in Miami when they start building, could preserve some of the sites in that way, and maybe have it as a museum on the ground level that the public can visit once the building is open. Just a thought.

[@hootinouts]

The same should be considered at this Miami site.

[@mojrimibnharb4584]

They could but this is america, where we know no law but money, so they won't.

[@TeachingandLearningOnline]

@@mojrimibnharb4584 Lol! Sadly, I'm sure you're right!

[@TomGrubbe]

Yeah that sounds rasonable for this site too.

[@moni4peace]

I am originally from Miami but live in Europe now and you find the preservation of archeological sites in many big cities. It can even be advantageous for money-hungry developers if they have a little imagination.

[@SuperdutySupermanFjb]

Should preserve the site and open a museum.

[@pushslice]

Which will probably receive, what? maybe …six or seven visitors a year? #becauseSouthernFlorida

[@Hawaii902]

I can't believe the world we live in, where a piece of paper, iis more important than learning about ancient history and perhaps finding extremely valuable artifacts.

[@michaelrudolph7003]

Well, you tell me, are you willing to live your entire life with absolutely nothing to "learn about ancient history"? Lots of people who will never lose a dime in this sure have a lot of opinions of the people who have everything riding on it.

[@Willow-the-Lonewolf]

My great great grandmother used to live and hid in a mud hut in Florida’s Everglades in the late 1800’s. Her people had been there for generations. I’m certain other developers have overlooked similar findings.

[@321FlaKeys]

It's all about $$ 😔 😔

[@codacreator6162]

Overlooked? Or buried before anyone else found out? Not the same thing. We’ve GOT to stop pandering to the infinitely greedy in this country. It’s killing America.

[@KB-ke3fi]

Yeah and they're still dead.

[@KB-ke3fi]

@@321FlaKeys Perfect. I would build over it too.

[@lilyflower5576]

Something to be proud of ❤

[@Aerospaceman]

Archeological investigation should always come first, the contractors can wait! This dig shows an indigenous people from 7,000 years ago. Our history books contain very few details of past civilizations and most are hidden so our history looks perfect according to those in power.

[@jenniferfitzgerald1796]

Then the contractors should be given a break by the city, like massive taxes they have to pay, etc etc. I’ve known some go broke because of legal battles like this dragging on for years. Thousands out of jobs for projects like this.

[@odomisan]

​@@jenniferfitzgerald1796 yes, preservation of such findings is important. The investors and contractors need to get paid for the down time, and it needs to be done expeditiously and move on. Better than what people in 1800s did when they find dinosaurs bones and just use the marrows to shine their leather shoes and then discard the bones. Or when farmers flatten down ancient small pyramid sites and find skeletons of giants and just discard them.

[@stuartstuart866]

William Gallant, How long should the contractors wait? months? years? It’s easy to dismiss financial loss …… as long as it’s not your own.

[@mpoulin]

@@jenniferfitzgerald1796 I agree.

[@joymcarthur5429]

@@stuartstuart866 Tie up some of these archeologists property, investment, contractual obligations, liquidity etc. and see how they cry. This is a branch of academia. These are the people who know so much better than the rest of us. So they say.

[@marvinmartin4692]

Sounds like a very significant find! It’s also important to remember that ocean levels were 200 feet lower during the ice age. That puts the site much further from the ocean than today’s shoreline.

[@seand.g423]

Yeah, but this us Florida, so... no matter how "significant", no one who counts in the situation will _ever_ see it as being at all _important._

[@lapetitefleur3482]

Yup, and the sea level will keep rising, this is our best chance.

[@miketeters2898]

It’s an ancient homeless shelter site, keep moving.

[@Shoop...]

What does this site have to do with the last ice age?

[@5thribroarn304]

@wyomarine Sounds interesting!! I grew up with The Bay in my life. Beautiful.

[@Sonny15-215]

In Miami less than 20 yrs ago a corporation was raising a building and found remains of Mayan civilization, the news attracted media attention and mathematicians from a university predicted where exactly to find more remains, time passed and no more was heard about the matter

[@roscoe4092]

I’ve often heard it was fairly common for construction bosses to toss bones and things aside when they were found, because having to call in archaeologists and historical societies slows down the work for weeks at a time and I can imagine how that would mean many workers end up not getting paid, so the bosses just push along like nothing was there to meet deadlines and keep everybody paid.

[@crawwwfishh3284]

You heard the truth. That’s what they do.

[@DwightStJohn-t7y]

@@crawwwfishh3284 the delay is usually in YEARS.!! Though if you're a smart landholder/developer you'd be advised holding a piece in DOWNTOWN worth tens of millions to do a preliminary excavation YEARS before development to get your information on track.

[@DRJoe100]

It’s not just weeks but years or decades depending on the find. And archeologists don’t move fast nor car about schedules of construction. I’d rather it be preserved by not touching it and covered over it than it getting destroyed because they don’t want to be inconvenienced by the gov. … A lot of times the bodies aren’t even studied but reburied in the closest modern tribes graveyard… it’s weird that it’s not treated the same , just depends on the state and who’s called I guess.

[@user-cc5od3zk4p]

Happens in Canada all the time. The Transmountain pipeline twining took 12 years. The original pipeline in 1953 took 2. Archaeology is a hobby, not a job. It’s a field of predominantly white woke women from wealthy families.

[@michaelrudolph7003]

It's almost like business requires some sort of profit while archaeology can ignore it like it doesn't exist.

[@tiermacgirl]

There is a viking site discovered in Dublin in a similar fashion. It has been used as an educational resource and tour venue and research continues.

[@shirleyandrews1152]

Europeans tend to respect archeology more than the USA. ITS ALL ABOUT GREED😪

[@billwallenstein3387]

They can create a river walk and pay tribute to the Tequesta. Like most of those sites across the nation, there’s just fragments from the past.

[@theemeraldfox7779]

Yes,my people,I'm Irish and Norwegian

[@Cyancat123]

Yeah, and while they still built over it, they had the massive amount of decency to put little glass panels in the floor so people could view the historical sites.

[@annemurphy9339]

@@Lagirlanimalsandscenery. My humble opinion only, but it seems the powers that be in the USA don’t want ancient archaeological or relic discoveries to come to light that might challenge the standard historical narrative.

[@chatteyj]

One often thinks of North America as devoid of archaeological significance, I mean there are very few grand ancient ruins or remains of cities and civilisations compared to South America let alone Europe and Asia, I've never found out the reason for this and find it strange , so to find a 7000 year old site in Florida of all places is like hitting an archaeological jackpot.

[@Southpaw128]

The archaeological paradigm that there isn't any architectural significance going back that far is exactly why research to challenge that doesn't get funding or support. When it was asserted by Spanish explorers of there being a city of gold in the Amazon, it was chalked up to myth because the assumption was that the rain forest was inhibitable. The likely truth is that whatever civilization existed there was wiped out from diseases from Europe and the amazon's extreme biodiversity covered up all traces. Well it turns out there were millions of people living there now that deforestation is uncovering the secrets of the jungle floor. Lidar technology has confirmed this and has shown thousands of building foot prints, streets, and irrigation systems. What we've been taught about the Americas is a fraction of the truth I believe.

[@annegaynor9627]

Look again- they're everywhere in North America! Things are not what they seem when it comes to previous living conditions......

[@here_we_go_again2571]

Most of the pre-Roman artifacts, buildings, sites in Europe itself have been destroyed. The only things that have remained are a few stone megaliths that were not located when early European cities sprang up. Check out the Great Serpent Mound in Ohio, USA. There are several other paleo- Indian (Native American) sites that have survived the post-building return of forestation and the subsequent erosion. It is obvious that, prior to the arrival of Europeans in North America, that the Mississippi valley and other sites from Florida, northward (most sites near Mississippi river tributaries) that societies existed that were civilized enough to organize themselves to build large earthen mounds with elevated platforms. Those civilizations had ceased to exist by the time of the Europeans' arrival; with the Native Americans living in those areas knowing nothing about those who built the sites (They did have a few myths) The sites were often overgrown with trees and the size as well as configuration not realized until deforestation had taken place.

[@here_we_go_again2571]

@@silentnot4812 Nobody knows who built these stone and earthen mounds. Some of them have been excavated. This fellow's channel has a lot of videos about these sites (as well as other sites worldwide): www.youtube.com/@cfapps7865 "The 2,300 Y.O. Stone Pyramid Mound & Fort Glenford Fort Preserve, Ohio, USA" kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5mXgWuDaLpjg9k I watched the above today, I didn't know about the site. But you can see from that map at the above video that there are many sites. Don't forget, prior to the end of the last ice age, ocean levels were much lower. Many ancient sites are now 400 - 500 feet (i.e. 121.92m. - 152.4m) underwater and covered with silt.

[@BagOfEyebrows]

there's a podcast called Kosmographia that has a hypothesis on what happened to north America - worth watching.

[@tomy.1846]

I hope they can examine the artifacts and take the time they need. Understanding the history (right under our feet in this case) is more important than another building.

[@mikeries8549]

Right under my feet is a slab of concrete in Illinois. I'm sure there are artifacts here. I'll sell you my home so you can destroy it to MAYBE find priceless "artifacts" (old junk). How much are you willing to invest? PRICELESS ARTIFACTS...

[@tomy.1846]

@@mikeries8549 Wow

[@harryhicks404]

The Miami Circle was an important site apparently to seafarers in the ancient past. It sheds light on archeoastronomy that we haven’t seen in modern times. Sites like this are all over the Earth. The creatures depicted there are unique to the astronomical record.

[@lukewalker4813]

I know some developers overlook certain things like arrowheads and bones because it can cause a huge delay, but when something so significant is found its a shame when they are covered up

[@downsouthhustla]

You can find arrowheads on every inch of FL. I used to have a bag of them I collected from Tampa northward

[@ROOSTER333]

Have you watched today's culture? Nobody cares about history and traditions it's progressivism and destroying the past

[@TerriblePerfection]

I can see both sides of it. I'm no fan of high-rise buildings or unlimited development, but bones and arrowheads don't really seem all that significant. I think it's worse when a species faces extinction because of loss of habitat.

[@roystonmason9125]

@@downsouthhustla not 7,000 year old ones

[@bendrover]

Better dig them bone up quick pretty sure Florida will be under water 🌊 give or take 20 years

[@ratcat2096]

No more High Rises Please

[@JK360noscope]

No more Suburbs, no more high rises, NO MORE HOUSING! *sponsored by boomers, realtors, and the bulk of the cash buyers in the US* on the plus side there's almost no demand for land with nothing on it and no utilities

[@dustintacohands1107]

Dumb idea when having trouble with housing

[@jared7723]

City looks stupid no sunshine ​@@dustintacohands1107

[@tvviewer4500]

I find it really hard to believe that the mouth of the river is in the same place it was 7,000 years ago.

[@philosopher1a]

I know

[@tvviewer4500]

@MrGriff305 7,000 years is infinity to a flowing river. Rivers meander especially in places with no mountains or cliffs. Even more so in areas with sand or that can be affected by hurricane force storms

[@wuzgoanon9373]

Whether the river location has remained constant or not, the buildings they build will not last as long as the artifacts they are finding.

[@tvviewer4500]

@@RandomRoulett3 don’t spread chat ai answers to something that don’t address my point. I don’t care how must it carves in. I am skeptical because all rivers on flat terrain meander. In 7,000 years a river can move hundreds of miles

[@danmills8521]

Screw that I don’t buy it! Get off the site we got concrete to pour folks!!

[@alau4739]

The city does not have to buy it back from the developer. They can claim eminent domain, meaning if the government needs this land for "x" reason, it does not matter what reason, they can claim the land theirs.

[@graycochran2055]

That’s not how eminent domain works. It is used for “the public good” for such things as infrastructure. The city would probably loose in court. Even if the city did claim eminent domain they don’t get to just take it they have to pay fair market value for it.

[@2ndhandanxiety719]

The Old World Florida channel on YT is full of amazing esoteric history of Florida

[@richardlong3745]

I grew up in Miami during the 1950's thru to late 60's and the developers almost without fail bulldozed through historic sites with little government regulatory pushback except for a very few sites like Fort Dallas, still remember important sites being given little notice of their historic importance until years after the ultimate demise when it's to late learn their place in a historic content.

[@krono5el]

If anything europeans did everything in their power to destroy any evidence of Native Life.

[@Davett53]

At the very exact time, in Columbus, Ohio there an archeological "dig" being done on a site, in a historic neighborhood. The developers are poised to build a 32 story, mega condominium and retail complex. But beneath the ground is a burial site, consisting of the earliest citizens of Columbus, Ohio. ( So not as old as the site in Miami, but significant to the current inhabitants of Columbus.) This grave site was built in the late 1700s to early 1800s. Columbus was settled in 1804. Columbus, has for the last 40 years, been trying to preserve as many historic sites, as are known about. Columbus is the home to the state of Ohio's historic museum, which has been tasked with saving all historic sites all over Ohio. Many which are older burial sites related to Native or Indigenous peoples who occupied the lands all over the region. Similarly, tents are set up all around the land, which had been a large parking lot. Archeologists are digging and sifting the soil daily, weather permitting. This time of year, it is still winter, and rain and snow, are expected to continue to fall until mid May. The Columbus burial site has been well known about since the 1950s. However back then, there little or no interest in seeing what was under the ground. Discoveries of human bones, are being documented, and will eventually be re-buried in a graveyard south of the city. Students of archeology will be conducting DNA testing of the remains, to try establish the identity of the people buried there.

[@judeirwin2222]

Davett53...if the people who occupied the site predated the establishment of Columbus (1804), why do you refer to them as “earliest citizens of Columbus, Ohio”. This sort of purposely emotive twaddle characterizes so much communication in America. Hyperbole, inaccuracy, superficiality all combine to obscure the true facts, which should speak for themselves.

[@judeirwin2222]

Davett53 - I should add that your spelling needs attention. You mean “indigenous peoples”, not “people’s “.

[@Davett53]

@@judeirwin2222 I'm not a not an expert and I don't think I understand your point. The bones are from people who were living in Columbus, before it was officially known as Columbus, is how I understand it. Or were the early inhabitants,....not the earliest ones, though. Do you look to every person's post for complete and thorough information? I just wanted to point out archeological digs are happening in lots of cities. It is a fascinating topic, others are welcome to dig deeper,...(pun intended). Thank you for your comments.

[@Davett53]

@@judeirwin2222 I will have to fix that, my spell check, didn't catch that. What are you? The comment police? or a troll?

[@judeirwin2222]

@@Davett53 what I look at, ignore or respond to is my choice and requires no justification. I didn't expect you to be "an expert", just capable of separating fact from fancy. And to count people whose lives preceded the foundation of a town among "its earliest citizens" is clearly fanciful.

[@scottoreilly4785]

In London, roman forts have been found in the city of London, when developers have been digging out the foundations for some of the skyscrapers. The developers, in conjunction with the British government change their plans and managed to incorporate the roman ruins into the new building. You can visit these sites today. They have managed to build these sites with a museum underneath these buildings, which are free to the public to visit. Everyone says the USA I a young country without history. Well obviously that is not the case and every effort should be made to preserve what history you have. It would be a scandal if developers were allowed to trash this, purely for profit.

[@jasminespencer3992]

I agree but that hasn’t happened in every case. I know there was a big development right across the street from Saint Paul’s and they only delayed the construction of it so then a full archaeological dig and survey could be done but then the building was eventually built, destroying the site with the buildings foundations

[@JamesThomas-dn6ee]

Not sure why people say there is no history here there are sites here that date back thousands of years

[@chatteyj]

@@JamesThomas-dn6ee Because we all think in the past North America was all nomadic indian tribes. We've heard of the great ancient city ruins in South America and seen them on tv documentaries, but nothing springs to mind for North America. I've often found this strange.

[@KB-ke3fi]

Americans rebuilt Europe after WW2. On our money, not yours. Look up the Marshall Plan.

[@KB-ke3fi]

@@jasminespencer3992 Good. Time to move on.

[@DavidWebsterAD]

Every new discovery re-writes our history and there are so many people in power that don't want it changed.

[@supergenerationgamers]

No one is really in power, people just empower them

[@ExpoJohn-qw7qt]

They want it, they just do not want to pay for it. Do you want to pay?

[@scottanderson3751]

History is a set of lies agreed upon ~ Napoleon Bonaparte The falsification of history has done more to impede human development than any one thing known to mankind ~ Jean-Jacques Rousseau All you need to know about “history” but something the power that be will never willingly teach you,for obvious reasons ✌️

[@constitutionallyconscious165]

Currently cutting edge archeology agrees that the Americas we settled up to 22,000 years ago. We can potentially double that date but the majority of the older sites are underwater because back then the shore line was around 2 miles out from where it is now.

[@barblc3202]

This kind of archaeological site is of importance not just to Miami and Florida, but to the world, and should be studied properly.

[@wms72]

Why? What difference does it make?

[@michaelrudolph7003]

Then you pay for it.

[@myspewedcomment156]

Oh yeah... another high-rise building. Just what the world needed.

[@timhinchcliffe5372]

Better than any crap built 7000 years ago.

[@Sashazur]

A high rise that you’ll need a boat to get to in 50 years. 😂

[@weekendatbernies2265]

Wait till all those condo owners and dwellers realize they are in an unsafe, stack and pack, Smart City ppl kennel. Not where you want to be that close to the water. Can you imagine all individual WiFi’s from all those units blanketing and frying everyone in those buildings? Forget the crap coming off the ugly ominous “cell” towers everywhere. Ugh

[@unclemikecruz]

Exactly. Their overpopulating small areas of nuts. For one that’s to close to waters edge, especially when heavy hitting storms next one might be the killer.

[@dr.strangelove5708]

@@timhinchcliffe5372 Ahhh no not with the cheap chinese crap used to build these buildings of today, that site was built with real stone that is why they can still find the remains. The condo will be a rusted skeleton only 500 years from now if not a lot less.

[@masatosway4558]

Leave the space below open and available to archeologists and eventually tourists. The developers can build their building several stories above the dig site, the underside can have observation balconies and also light up the dig site. The building's main business can go on whilst discoveries are being made. Yeah it would be an architectural challenge but I believe it would be worth the effort.

[@MR-nl8xr]

I think for $200 million, some one can come up with something, with hurricanes an all.

[@michaelrudolph7003]

When you effort to collect the money to pay for it, you just let us know. Until then, you don't get to spend other people's money.

[@saladdays180s9]

The two people unearthed in the Bradenton area inside a shell mound were carbon dated to be 7000 years old. DNA tested to be caucasian. Who knew?

[@timhinchcliffe5372]

I'm interested in this, do you have a name for a video or an article on it? I'm sure universities would be reluctant publish this information for political reasons.

[@glennjames7107]

Anywhere along Florida's coast or rivers you will find artifacts, and evidence of settlements. I've been a native Floridian my entire life, and can say for certain that along any coastline, or waterway, if you know what your looking for, a person can find artifacts and evidence of ancient cultures within a few hours at most. Usually it doesn't take more than about half an hour. About 40 miles north of me there is a place on a small river that Texas A+M's archeology dept. has been diving for the last several years, and they claim they have evidence that dates the site back 14,000 years. There is a few videos they made here on KZbin somewhere, but I can't remember what they are named.

[@portiafirtaid7486]

Can I ask what you would be looking for along the waterway?

[@dollabillzb1692]

Why so vague what’s the place dummy?

[@herstory_original]

Im glad we’re learning about the ancient culture of Miami and the Tequetsa tribe. Can’t believe they put a septic tank there

[@erinmcdonald7781]

This is an amazing find for the history of the region. I hope that the community can be rallied to preserve and study this site.

[@seand.g423]

Yeah, well, it's in Florida, so... shows you the real point of hope...

[@KB-ke3fi]

nobody cares. They're all dead. Document the stuff and build the site.

[@KB-ke3fi]

@@seand.g423 10 million ex New Yorkers agree.

[@KB-ke3fi]

@wyomarine Exactly right.

[@OldDocSilver]

@wyomarine6341. Very well put and I agree with you 100%. The best thing to happen in that situation is to take a look, have a con-flag with the bosses, keep it contained (quiet) and then proceed to build your high rise imo. Don’t let anyone try to be a hero. It’s just vanity anyways and all sorts of weirdo’s are going to come out of nowhere as experts and shut you down. After it’s all built up you have a secret story to tell your grand kids. Truth be known your house is probably built on a historical site if you go back far enough.

[@regionalmerchandiser]

Money vs History.

[@karenburrows9184]

Regional Merchandiser: This should be the official motto of archaeology.

[@mariaofarrell7tsavororite12-7]

You would think that they would let it be for archaeology and let archaeologists keep finding and studying. There'll be stuff there but will have to go in the water beneath to get to it. Maybe special submarine. 👀🙂

[@richardstadler5287]

There’s really no shortage of sites like this one. Archeological digs are super expensive and take decades

[@cooliobob-q7o]

More like the brainwashed narrative vs true history of our realm.

[@yeedbottomtext7563]

@@richardstadler5287imagine simping for a developer

[@lwscijunkie]

This could be an amazing opportunity for some brilliant creative design and construction of the building mounted over the site. It would be more expensive and trickier so the State should offset the extra expense...Ultimately the site would be a ground-floor museum.

[@noahstevens1886]

They should just invoke eminent domain and take the land.

[@kimwoodhouse7891]

I agree with the creative design . That would be a win-win for everyone.

[@weebermannsfolly2580]

Agreed! The entire site covered with a glass ceiling that can be walked on by the occupants of the building, or tourist, while the work can continue. The dig would never be hindered by the weather and the city and/or state could give the owners a tax break. Where to place utilities for the building would probably be the most expensive engineering.

[@lwscijunkie]

@@weebermannsfolly2580 WOW. Oh, yes!

[@larrymartin858]

If whatever they built over it had a glass floor, people could watch them actually working...could be really fascinating.......

[@trishwilliams3153]

There is so much incredible, very ancient history to be discovered in North America.

[@sclickner]

As a kid, we walked rows of farm crops and picked up loads of arrowheads, axes, etc. We found fire ring rocks next to the Millstone river. I once found a pipe made of stone (for smoking). Central NJ is now one giant housing development. There is something under EVERYTHING. Humans build over and over, literally. We now live in a world where it takes money to make everything move. Without industry (jobs), academics wouldn't have any funding whatsoever. Because employed adults (who work for profit driven organizations) send kids to overpriced universities to have their brains washed, thus paying the salaries of people who look down on those who make money.

[@GrouchoTM]

Have to wonder how much was destroyed or lost from previous building Downtown. It's getting way to crowded here! Been here since 1970! I've seen it when we had farming just outside our neighborhood and pine trees as far as you could see! I miss how it used to be!

[@mpetersen6]

One day it was a nice sunny 75°F day low humidity and my wife commented I wish it could be like this all the time. My comment was, "yah, but then everybody would want to live here".

[@an-tm3250]

People are moving to FL instead of staying put and bringing back their constitutional Republic.

[@ChampaBayBeast]

Miami is not even Florida anymore

[@xXelitegpXx]

1st floor of building should be a museum.

[@StephenLewisful]

They should make observation platforms of the dig, where people are able to talk with archeology students about some of the newest things being found. Maybe this way, having the Dig is more profitable or at least, net positive in the meantime.

[@chipsramek3868]

What "BANK" do You represent...always about the "Money" ... for the Tribe.

[@chrisdeal9945]

WHY DID THEY NOT SHOW US THE DUG UP STUFF OR MENTION IT

[@gb8518]

7000 years is amazing Blow my mind

[@tcjohnson3437]

Yeah. as a builder myself, they should have just moved the new construction down the road. Your not building anything that has to be on this piece of land. Finding out true history of our country is more important than the next hotel with three layers of parking. State should have stepped in on this.

[@Oddworld2024]

I’m with you on saving this site best they can it’s important to have physical history. And it should be respected. Build around it or incorporate it like other cities have done. I mean if they must have this piece of land and I get the want to live right there. I’ve been to Miami and that part of the city, it’s rather nice. However this historical find isn’t something one comes across often. And it could Be important. Hope they can work together on a good solution for this

[@judeirwin2222]

You think this area (or any area) of Miami is “rather nice”? The entire urban sprawl is a festering pustule.

[@windywednesday4166]

I agree that it would be nice if the archaeologists could work with the builders to find a solution. It's unfortunate to see archaeologists who are smug, entitled, and arrogant that see builders as 'the enemy'.

[@thetobyntr9540]

​@@judeirwin2222 Agreed, as a native floridian I am enraged at how much natural beauty they've paved over, at least there's the irony of all the hotels, resorts, malls, and golf courses getting battered by climate change strengthened hurricanes over the coming century.

[@missyyy-]

@@judeirwin2222it was nice 20-25 years ago and since then the population has exploded and turned the whole city into a cesspool.

[@KB-ke3fi]

Yeah document it, take pictures, show the relics and say wow...this is neat. Now, let's build new stuff.

[@laurenletsche1134]

now they can say their condo is built on an ancient burial ground

[@TamlaPearsey]

Just plain wrong that stuff like this is happening on sacred grounds in Florida. Too much development and should not be for sale.

[@bovnycccoperalover3579]

Sacrilege. We live in a time in society where history is being destroyed on the altar of "progress". Developers build these soulless cookie cutter condos. Despicable!

[@rebekahlikesmusic2723]

Thinking of the movie Poltergeist now

[@ajeezy8775]

It’s happened in Hawaii, like, a lot. One would think restrictions like those under NAGPRA would prevent this but money talks I guess.

[@DennisMoore664]

@@ajeezy8775 Especially in a place like Miami.

[@blaqsugar4498]

Who are the people whose artifacts derived from. Interesting

[@oldcarolinaoutdoors-harley834]

Would love to be apart of any archaeological team who need help with field recovery, test holes, opening up with shovels and using heavy machinery when needed. I know funding is “limited” but willing to do lend my services for the good of learning and protecting what we have free of charge. I have reached out to a few different firms but never hear anything back.

[@peni1641]

Isn't Miami named after the Miami tribe. It was a native American tribe that lived there and when Spain settled Miami; they moved all the MIami tribe up north.

[@andyjay729]

Miami, FL was named tribe related to the Tequesta, who in turn were named after the Miami River, which actually derives from the Tequesta name for Lake Okeechobee (literally meaning "big water"). It's just a coincidence that an unrelated tribe in the Midwest (primarily present-day Ohio) was also called Miami, though one wonders if the spelling of the Florida city was influenced by Midwestern immigrants (an alternate spelling for the Florida Miami people is "Mayaimi"). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayaimi

[@peni1641]

@@andyjay729 thanks for letting me know

[@juliodiaz1300]

Its ridiculous the corruption down here in Miami just let's the rich do whatever they want. I am telling everyone about this since I heard about it only a couple of weeks ago, when this should be a discovery that should have been documented and celebrated as a find completely changing the way we thought Miami was inhabited. This city is completely different from when I was a kid and has only changed for the worse.

[@Betts711]

I agree 💯

[@glennnile7918]

Yes. Let's take all the money from the productive people. Without recompense, so we can do whatever we want. Don't give the productive people any say in what happens with their land, their money, their productivity.

[@maynardmckillen9228]

​@@glennnile7918be honest. By "productive" you mean the money-addicted, power-addicted exploiters and sociopaths. They "produce" pollution, and monuments to their egos, destroy the cultures that nurtured them, and lead lives of gluttony and self-absorption.

[@Cheeseburger.Launch.Sequence]

Thank Republicans!

[@vladimirofsvalbard9477]

@@Cheeseburger.Launch.Sequence For what? Erecting buildings?

[@goldcic]

This was an incredible discovery. Right at the Southern mouth of the river. The huge Indian mounds of burials & quahog (now extinct) shells were bulldozed to make Dixie Highway so the Flagler RR could be built from West Palm Beach. I've located many of the mounds in S. Florida. I can always tell when I'm on a burial mound. An overwhelming feeling of get off comes over me. Most are midden (kitchen waste) mounds. I don't tell people about those. From the keys to Dade the Tequesta, Further north in Boca the Jeaga, then the big tribe the Ais aka Jece aka Ays on Prang Island and near a Spanish Galleon silver fleet wreck site in 1715. 1 of 11 that year. 🐥

[@tommywolfe2706]

sounds pretty cool

[@judeirwin2222]

What is “feeling of get off”? Since when are quahogs “extinct”? Do you mean a species related to the quahogs of New England that once thrived in what is now Florida, but have since gone extinct? Your entire comment is so incomprehensible that it should be held up as an example of how poor communication by an educated person may work against them and their goals when dealing with the general public. Consider that. Refresh your command of the English language. That might help you in your battles against apathy and corporate resistance.

[@elmorocksproductions]

@@judeirwin2222your attitude is horrendous

[@danyellerobinson5940]

@@TheDogGoesWoof69 ... when we forget the past, we're destined to repeat it.

[@tiermacgirl]

Tyler: "History" is only meant to be in quotes, like just now, when you are reporting someone said the word, like I am because you just did. Otherwise you might get accused of disrespecting the thing by saying it's pretending to be the thing and not really the thing.

[@sally3024-h4c]

If they build over that site, that particular area will be cursed and haunted?

[@sharky7665]

It would be nice to show some of the artifacts they have found there.

[@odomisan]

If that tiny portion have such sites, why wouldn't the entire Miami area have them too? The entire United States are filled with history that if the artifacts, skelletons of giants, lost technology, stories and traditions passed down generations are to be taken seriously, our current understanding of antropology would have to be rewritten. Those things should be studies and preserved, but have equal compensation to the current investors of the property to be fair.

[@MJ-xi1mk]

Love archeology ❤

[@DaveTan65]

I'm pretty old, let's get together.

[@Jane-Roe1126]

@@DaveTan65 Hahaha...

[@adithiarjun6764]

​@@DaveTan65 lol

[@zuzuspetals38]

It’s all always about $$$$ no matter what the subject is🤦🏻‍♀️

[@karenburrows9184]

Zuzu's Petals: Jimmy Stewart fan?

[@michaelrudolph7003]

Yes. Does money have no significance in your day to day life? Like if you had none, everything in your life would stay exactly the same? You have no bills, your life costs nothing, no home, etc? I somehow doubt it.

[@douglashenderson4947]

Thanks!

[@douglashenderson4947]

Yw

[@christinemarotta9707]

Many European cities build above the cite and have clear floors to view the work.

[@josealmanza5435]

This is another example that the United States was built ignoring the cultures that existed before the anglos arrival, if they came across traces of previous civilizations in

[@ladyaly864]

Their Solutrean ancestors were here on the East before the Clovis arrived through Alaska on the west and killed all of them...Windover Pond holds the proof...

[@Dee0336]

Did you know Florida was Spanish territory until 1819?

[@ladyaly864]

@@Dee0336 And the Colonial Governors were also the Governors of Cuba...And that before the Clovis crossed in through Alaska the Solutreans were already here...In windover Pond...

[@transrscum86]

That has been happening all over the world for 10 thousand years. Civilization built on top of the previous Civilization. It's nothing new.

[@SDBOGLE]

America is the true Old World

[@sgashner397]

The Governor of the State needs to step in and build up the archeological site like that of Egypt and other countries. If you build it, the tourists will come. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@DennisMoore664]

DeSantis? Don't hold your breath.

[@seviregis7441]

Fascinating. They should definitely preserve those finds somehow.

[@aboogie110]

The fact that ancient history is being wiped away by land developers, shows how little we care about our society

[@afnDavid]

Art Bell once talked about this site maybe 20 years ago.

[@joegadget670]

The city should propose a bond to pay the developer to properly study the site. Put it up to a vote and let the citizens decide. That will determine if society wants to know more about this ancient civilization or if they want the immediate revenue of another high rise complex.

[@noahstevens1886]

Just invoke eminent domain.

[@vladimirofsvalbard9477]

Oh please, new civilizations have always built atop old ones. The layers and layers of archeology you can find anywhere in the Mediterranean is astounding. You have the privilege of blaming people in modern times because you have a tiny microphone to do so. Not everybody instantly thinks of the past while building the future, especially people on this page.

[@noahstevens1886]

@@vladimirofsvalbard9477 Wow, I didn't know luxury hotels were the future. I guess the past really is stupid and should be ignored for the sake of the convenience of the 1%.

[@karenburrows9184]

@@vladimirofsvalbard9477 We have the privilege of blaming modern people because archaeology is a modern science. People in the past thought all of mankind's history was in books. It took a special few to go looking for the truth behind the legends and find our history in the ground. For a young science, it has taught us important things about ourselves and our history.

[@ferndawg1111]

incredible, i've stayed at a hotel adjacent to that site and never would have imagined.

[@icantcook9998]

This site is a treasure and should be treated as such

[@brucehoffmann2126]

Is there any way to build up and around the dig where the owners have their building but the ground floor remains an archeological dig?

[@Dabebo-xk2bt]

Greed is sticky and should be avoided. This is such a sticky deal anyone would agree with common sense we should preserve the study as quickly as possible.

[@reddyandre]

I've never been to Miami and have no plans ever to go. There's absolutely nothing left there to see, anyway. Nothing but buildings and concrete. Might as well be Dubai. Very sad to have such ancient history in North America right there to study but society places more value on The Money.

[@USDiploMike]

You’re confused… 😂 Dubai wish it was Miami. 🇺🇸

[@zivoradnedeljkovic8242]

Just imagine how much of such cites is lost in all U.S. last 200 years. 😓

[@ChristopherSloane]

The whole area was built over. Now they are delaying this build. There probably is not much left given the previous construction in that area over decades.

[@matchpoint14]

I plant evergreen trees for privacy fencing all in Ga, and in Woodbury GA a couple years ago, we dug up a whole piece of an Indian pottery type bowl. It was amazing. The home owner has it to this day. That is the only thing I have found in 12 years of digging holes. But I only started looking a little closer a few years ago. But what I have seen several times is some type of blueish ceramic bits. I have seen this at least 5 or 6 different times. I think in the early 1900s they used this blue ceramic for tiles, and other type of ceramic containers. And once I dug up a pile of old soda bottles. Half were broke and half were busted up. And one other large find in Jasper county GA on a customer's 11 acres were large stones some the size of a chair some sizes of a basketball were stacked up 2 feet or so and went about 3 feet under the ground and they were in one long row about 30 feet across and it went all the way across his property and we do not know where it stopped. I assume it used to be 5 or 6 feet tall. I can't find any info on it except one tiny article that did not know who, when or why.

[@Martin-se3ij]

They talk about finding evidence and don't show one single thing that has been found.

[@debpatriot9557]

They shouldn't be allowed to build there at all! It looks so nice open and should be preserved!

[@tedium37]

That close to sea level, may as well build on stilts over the site and let the dig continue. It'll be necessary soon enough.

[@pattismithurs9023]

America needs a "Time Team". This site is amazing. Thanks so much for posting.

[@ThisTall]

Pretty shameless of that lady not to acknowledge the Swedish settlers were already established as being there LONG before they were. The Florida bog man already proved this.

[@ShaighJosephson]

Destroying a 7,000 year old historical civilization sight for a high rise is like destroying the pyramids to build an amusement park... This is ridiculous... ☹️

[@rev.randall2292]

Interesting history in this region. As long ago , there are still some that do not want that history known real well.

[@guynorth3277]

To them it is just old nonsense, there is money to be made today.

[@lalodaniels1388]

This rewrites our history books.

[@michaelgrabianowski6567]

Yeah, I think DeSatan already did that all on his own.

[@lalodaniels1388]

@@matthewmcinnis4565 probably a bunch of Freemasons. History is just a collection of lies agreed upon.

[@Cheeseburger.Launch.Sequence]

Don't tell DeSantis!

[@cheapdate2334]

@@Cheeseburger.Launch.Sequence 👈🤡

[@kevinwest3689]

@@Annie-xh2dt no doubt good thing the Bible wasn't printed on hundred-dollar bills. You'd have to be a republican to be allowed to be Christian. Well it's kind of that way where I live now.

[@Fox1nDen]

the study of the recovered materials is important to our understanding of life in that climate and cultural understanding. the work being done to look into the details is heroic.

[@irronthagr8113]

If it was a site dating back to sumerian era, then it is no way related to the native american tribes we know now.

[@eileengarcia7923]

Forget the contract with the developer when it comes to finding archaeological sites. These archaeological sites should be preserved.

[@patsystreasurehunt4251]

This is fascinating. I had no idea. It's sad to see it all covered back up. I know some has to be, but there should be some balance. It would be nice to see the analysis funded to completion.

[@chipsramek3868]

How do You expect (((THEM))) to properly write History for the Public Schools if they let people investigate..sheesh.....The ones that write History control the future...

[@tommywolfe2706]

Is there a way to petition the company to partner with archeologists? I would sign it and even jump through a couple of hoops to see it happen if it were a possibility.

[@Crismans843]

Are you amenable to compensate the developers?

[@tommywolfe2706]

@@Crismans843 So we should have to pay developers in this country to preserve our collective cultural past? Sure. Take some of my tax money that I already pay and use it for that. I dont pay as much as I do in taxes to see nothing for it anyway. Better that than some stupid welfare program. If you mean I should donate personally, no, outside of what I just said? NO. Does that mean it should go in the dumpster? That is a silly argument.

[@tommywolfe2706]

@@Crismans843 Did you know you can buy a house in the states without acquiring the rights to what is located underneath your home. Hypothetically, (it happens, this is just an example) you buy a property, mortgages can have clauses in them that can give you rights to the land for personal use, but mining and extracting resources from it....well.....that isnt your right. You signed off on it in your mortgage and so if Gold was discovered, for example, another entity would have the rights to come in and extract it and you would have no legal recourse. And if you did it yourself and decided not to tell them....well, you are a fraudster, because its in the contract. Check your paperwork kiddos and dont assume everything is black and white. I have a real estate video in mind when typing this comment where she says exactly that. Maybe she is full of it. She seems to be successful and makes videos about it. Makes it harder to dispute or deny in my book.

[@judeirwin2222]

Tommy Wolfe, have you thought this through? What do you mean by “partnering”? You do realize that America is driven by the profit motive and greed? Why would a corporation devoted to making money nobly set aside that cupidity to aid archaeologists who are carrying out a dig that is slowing down and frustrating their attempts to finish a building project? Grow up.

[@Crismans843]

@@tommywolfe2706 it’s your choice. Elect politicians that support your point of view or start a ‘go fund me’. There is also that pesky US constitution to consider.

[@joeycarter8846]

Wouldn't it be reasonable to allow a certain amount of time (say 2 years) to recover, document, then cart off the artifacts....to be studied at local universities? The developers can reclaim their projects after it's been cleared.

[@alexi2460]

Delay construction . Demand that artifact are dated, analyzed and as much research is done as possible, deep soil samples etc Otherwise curse the building

[@albernal6653]

Love visiting archaeological sites but only if there is something to see. Even hardly visited and little known sites in Mexico offer so much more. Remember when the Miami Circle was left abandoned for just a couple of weeks, the grass and weeds covered everything.

[@Madonnalitta1]

"Pave a paradise, and put up a parking lot". 🎵

[@michaelrudolph7003]

Where do you live? In a teepee in the woods?

[@randallsmerna384]

I was digging in my back yard and I swear - every shovel full had billions of years of history in it!

[@EminencePhront]

How does one even come to the conclusion that the people living there were the Tequesta tribe? That's like saying that the people living in Italy 7000 years ago were Romans. Neither people existed that far back.

[@Jason-rn4jk]

They said basically nothing about the artifacts….what was found, who did it belong to, was there a language on the artifacts????

[@tommywolfe2706]

"as corporate citizens"....yes....they have a duty to preserve our collective history, even if they eventually acquire the rights to the land.

[@MR-nl8xr]

That is the most disgusting term to exist in humanity. Never mind this situation; that term alone has put us economically in the slavery we are in today; federal reserve started it, if I'm not mistaken.

[@tommywolfe2706]

@@MR-nl8xr I dont like the term, but corporations are entities that get tax breaks and benefits just like citizens. And the things that people have to do should also be required of them. Imagine you find Indian stuff in your back yard. What would be required of you? Well, it would probably cease to be yours anymore, as a private citizen, not the artifacts, but the land. But corporations? Yeah, because they paid for it (much like the non corporate land owners) and are looking at sinking millions into it and government gets a cut of it (through taxes, licenses, etc) it gets overlooked.

[@MR-nl8xr]

@@tommywolfe2706 I dont like the term, but corporations are entities that get tax breaks and benefits just like citizens. -So what, that doesn't mean they have the same label/word used to explain their existence, legally or civilly. And the things that people have to do should also be required of them. -But even more, since they have more physical abilities from financial profit. Imagine you find Indian stuff in your back yard. What would be required of you? Well, it would probably cease to be yours anymore, as a private citizen, not the artifacts, but the land. -Yes and no. I don't have a proper opinion of it at the moment because I just mainly wanted to point out that that term is a corruption syntaxicaly & legislatively. But corporations? Yeah, because they paid for it (much like the non corporate land owners) and are looking at sinking millions into it and government gets a cut of it (through taxes, licenses, etc) it gets overlooked. -Like I said, never mind this situation, I am just pointing out that that term has given a incorrect legal & civil power to a corporation by an organization who's original purpose was to enslave the American People into financial debt, i.e. Federal Reserve.

[@JeremiahMcaninch]

The developers don't even have to sacrifice their building, just devote part of the bottom floor to being an archeological dig site/museum. It works as a tourist attraction, you don't dig up problems - you dig up opportunities!

[@scallopohare9431]

You have experience with doing this? Nah, didn't think so.

[@xoxo20000]

Shame that Miami doesn't care about its own history. Building more ugly high rises smh

[@seti5142]

what are the block with numbers on?

[@jameswest4819]

The problem, often times, is that people, regardless of when they occupy a potential archeological site, are likely to find the same site attractive, because of its location and everything it represents. It must be really confusing for archeologists to excavate a lot of the European sites because, as the excavations get deeper, they dig through more and more, older and older, equally important sites, until they are digging to the absolute, rock bottom. That has been one of the biggest problems with history in the Americas...that they are the "New World" so we do not need to dig further into the past and so no one, many times, cannot or will not explore further.

[@guyewing1377]

One ounce of historic artifact is worth more than any high rise.

[@ajetmech2002]

No NYC please!

[@glassesstapler]

Offer to assist and curate a museum, within the new building and put the artifacts out on loan to the developer for 20 years. Encourage the developer to look at it as an opportunity to make the site a must see, while in Miami and they will come around quick. Capitalists only speak cash.

[@francismarion6400]

Socialists also only speak cash. The only thing the Soviets produced was weapons, oil, a busted Nuclear power plant, and poverty.

[@glassesstapler]

@@francismarion6400 not sure if you are comparing the two, but I wasn't saying anything regarding the benefits/pros of socialism vs capitalism...

[@romeisfallingagain]

i hope it works out for you. rthe worlds history of its people through time is important.

[@andilaboy3317]

You are saying there is not enough archaeological evidence due to much of the site being destroyed, etc… how ever, it’s automatically older than the Paras of Giza? Hummm

[@fluidjazz]

Corporate citizens? Yeah right.

[@JK-br1mu]

That's right. Corporations give a lot of money to various charities and generally pay higher wages than small businesses do. But we know the word "corporation" is scary to you.

[@gordon3186]

*Watch the eyeopening trailer for the documentary "The Corporation" on KZbin.*

[@patriciarouse16]

@@JK-br1mu Civic Duty is not a obligation lessened do to a string of zeros. Who " is scared" hmmm?

[@JK-br1mu]

@@patriciarouse16 the morons who think using the word "corporation" is making some great philosophical point. You know, 3/4 of all the people on the Left.

[@Fuglychick]

@@patriciarouse16 hit JK’s profile picture for all his comments 😂