Michael Heiser Eschatology Overview 01 End Times

[@jj3164]

I love your teaching Dr. Heiser. I miss you, and will see you again sir. God Bless.

[@SuperMofaux]

Who are you talking to

[@jj3164]

@@SuperMofaux I wasn't talking to anyone. I was thinking...out loud. Why?

[@SuperMofaux]

@@jj3164 It just sounded like you were addressing a dead man. Was just curious why you were doing that.

[@jj3164]

@@SuperMofaux whatever dude. I bet ur the life of the party wherever you go.

[@SuperMofaux]

@@jj3164 people resort to personal attacks when they can’t win an argument. Have fun talking to dead people via KZbin comments.

[@maryherendeen2151]

I hope Dr. Heiser's treasures in heaven are many. I sure treasure his wisdom and teaching style right now. Thank God for him. ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@andrewmarshall7569]

A Christian's treasures are placed in Heaven when we live out the Greatest Commandment in Mark 12, which is to love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself (paraphrased, but the context around that event is incredible). Dr. Heiser really broke the mold, and I love how in love I am with the Old Testament now. A great teacher is something to be held in high regard, and I have not seen a false note in any of Dr. Heiser's lectures.

[@savedbygrace6853]

​@@andrewmarshall7569 Excellent comment Andrew!

[@andrewmarshall7569]

@@savedbygrace6853 thank you so much!

[@Stupidityindex]

Believers begin their crimes like Moses, becoming history's worst navigator, as if travel were best done with one foot in fantasyland. Believers fail to comprehend the saying of Jesus Christ which has lasted to this day. Believers are found among a gathering crowd, when Jesus Christ is alarmed by a wicked generation, those who seek the signs of resurrection. "The only sign given is Jonah" - who was a believer. He was outnumbered & murdered by other believers. Jesus Christ "hangeth on a tree" to celebrate the War of the Jews.

[@Over-for-now]

​@@andrewmarshall7569 God wants us to know and hear Paul's gospel. Our love of God does not save us. HE sent HIS SON for us to complete salvation. It's ALL about the FINISHED work THAT saved us

[@jimyoung9262]

It would be wonderful if all those who are to be "known by their love" would be as charitable as Dr. Heiser was to those of differing views.

[@edwardhines2237]

Amen...from a pre-millenialist

[@samueldelgado1458]

AMEN!!!!! I get condemned by our brethren just for mentioning the rapture and quoting the apostles disciples... So mean and unloving. I've only met one who was kind to me.

[@brittwebb5602]

4 min into this lecture and I can tell this man is the kind of teacher we desperately need more like

[@Pau11Wa11]

God called the late Dr. Heiser home last year. I can't wait to worship God by his side someday. He was a great man

[@andrewmarshall7569]

I was planning on going to law school, but I'm feeling led to get a Master's and a Doctoral degree in Theology, and I am in prayerful discernment about it. I see a lot of Biblical illiteracy that needs to be addressed in the Body of Christ. Unlike Heiser, my favorite aspect of Scripture is what is to come. However, I do not marry my mind with any particular belief on timelines, because the Lord wins. However, we are told over 30 times to watch for these things in the NT so we will not be deceived.

[@Stupidityindex]

Believers begin their crimes like Moses, becoming history's worst navigator, as if travel were best done with one foot in fantasyland. Believers fail to comprehend the saying of Jesus Christ which has lasted to this day. Believers are found among a gathering crowd, when Jesus Christ is alarmed by a wicked generation, those who seek the signs of resurrection. "The only sign given is Jonah" - who was a believer. He was outnumbered & murdered by other believers. Jesus Christ "hangeth on a tree" to celebrate the War of the Jews.

[@yakimpereira9942]

I feel blessed by finding him. I don’t care about he dying so young or not. As the Word of God never becomes irrelevant. So is the teachings of Dr. Heiser.

[@wittwfiii]

Even so, come Lord Jesus.

[@sietefuegosconcandela8362]

He went with the Lord yet he still blessing us with his teachings. He still teaching us how to think not what to think.

[@DevlinDomini]

He had me at “I don’t care.” Some people look at me like I have too heads when I say end times theology isn’t much of a priority for me. There’s more important stuff in the Bible to focus on.

[@TommyStahr]

So true. Sadly, we're a lot closer to the end of things than most can imagine. When Trump came along God opened this born-again Jews eyes to where we are. 2Thess2:11 is exactly today. It's not out there far off, it's now. Luke 21:24 is fulfilled. Times almost up. Are you watching and praying or watching TV and playing games? It's the image of the Beast that brings all the false prophets and thieves. Rev 13:11-16 is America. Two horns like a Lamb? Jesus is the Lamb. Right-wing Christians and Catholics are NOT FOLLOWING JESUS. 1946themovie proves the Bible is not anti-gay. Compare Exodus 13:16, Rev 13:16 & Matt 5:29. The Mark of the Beast is SIN. 666=man making himself God. Same old story from the Garden of Eden. The Mark of God is the Holy Spirit. John 3:3. Most aren't being born of the Spirit because most Christians don't turn around (repent) from the world and its way. Right-wing bigotry and left-wing idolatry killed Christianity. I'm a born-again gay Jew. Times are up. Luke 21:24

[@johnotto4931]

@@TommyStahrfor your own sake please consider a couple things, first of all anyone who is fixated on homosexuality is missing Gods point, it’s no different from heterosexual fornication, please read Romans, also understand that God never changes so the things written in the OT or Torah came from Jesus who is eternal, there’s no condemnation but we only get one life to get it right, it’s not and never has been about US, it’s about dying to self and living for HIM

[@arqist]

@@DevlinDomini I like Heiser but disagree with his stance on that issue. It’s actually very rude to say he doesn’t care about a specific topic in the Bible, as all God-given words are important.

[@noahmidgette3943]

I think it's an important issue in so far it impacts our walk with Christ and obedience. I'll tell people that if your eschatology doesn't produce encouragement, hope, endurance, and urgency towards the great Commission then you're probably thinking about it wrong. I don't think the Rapture theology does those first 3. It encourages an escapist mindset and dualism. Besides that I can see the merit in historic premil, amil, and post mil positions.

[@johnotto4931]

@@noahmidgette3943 . Luke 21:36Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Appears Jesus was endorsing escaping the tribulation it’s important to make disciples AND watch not either or

[@martineeveraerdt5303]

Michael Heiser was a great and smart man.

[@stevemathew1453]

This is a breath of fresh air. I feel liberated hearing this. After studying all views over decades and being disillusioned, I came to the same conclusions he did then found him and he validated it!

[@iluvfigs4712]

That's why Wisconsin Synod Lutherans just say when you die you go to heaven or hell, when Christ returns, we get our glorified bodies back and heaven lasts forever. Because we can't be sure about the rest, so why worry about it? I also believe that the saints Will persevere no matter what we go through

[@fanman8102]

“I just prefer the text.” Exactly and AMEN!

[@ericb2409]

Wow. I’ve never heard anyone be so noncommittal about eschatology. It seems everyone has a strong opinion about it…until hearing this lecture.

[@LastFellowship]

He's more providing a survey of positions and critiquing all of them. He's not really trying to persuade anyone into a position.

[@soteriology400]

The term “a 1000” never referred to a millennium like so many understand it. It was simply a phrase representing totality of number, where the exact number is irrelevant. The original language in Hebrew backs up this interpretation. This fact alone, wipes out the majority views we have today.

[@davidsinger6577]

He’s noncommittal because all the end time systems have issues. When Dr. Heiser says eschatology is indeterminate that’s what he means. It’s cryptic because of spiritual wickedness in high places. The rebellious host of heaven seek out what the Lord’s plan is too. That’s why only God Almighty truly knows how the end times will play out.

[@soteriology400]

@@davidsinger6577 They do have their issues, and largely because people who teach this do not even apply basic rules of hermeneutics. When it was referring to the end, it was actually referring to the end of the house of Israel on earth. They already went through their last days, and gone now, since AD73, a few years after the temple was destroyed.

[@emilyd4340]

​@@davidsinger6577 yessssss. So true.

[@Mike65809]

So good. These are the issues we have to deal with.

[@hansarildtangeraas237]

I love the way you challenge people, it helps us grow in understanding.

[@johnspartan98]

I begin with the premise that the truth in scripture is knowable and that a false translation and/or interpretation will always result in a conflict with other verses or themes in the Bible. The one who gets it right is the one who has arrived at a translation and/or interpretation that harmonizes and does not conflict with the Bible. Having studied the Bible for over 120,000 hours, I believe the premises I just laid out are of uppermost importance. If the truth is not knowable, then we have all wasted our time and we might as well toss out our Bibles. Paul says something similar when he says if there is no resurrection then we are all lost, our faith is in vain, we are to be pitied over all others (paraphrased for clarification).

[@DrOmarZaid]

God Rest This Good Man . . . my favorite theologian

[@FindingDurham]

Another great presentation by Dr. Heiser. I've been struggling with the schism between Paul and the apostles that actually knew Jesus. I wish the good doctor was still with us to inquire on this question, considered by many to be hereticical

[@mariebo7491]

What schism?

[@FindingDurham]

@@mariebo7491 The schism between Paul and the Jewish-Christian faction which shaped the future of Christianity, contributing to its gradual separation from Judaism. Paul's theology of grace, faith, and freedom from the law became foundational to mainstream Christian thought, particularly as the church expanded into Gentile territories. Meanwhile, James and the Jerusalem Church represented a more conservative, Jewish-rooted form of Christianity, which would later diminish in influence after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Lots of relevent content on YT: The apostacy of Paul kzbin.info/www/bejne/porWdXdnYtl3hNU and kzbin.info/www/bejne/op-biJaNgtdjeqMsi=pKZxQ82ZUmkdjsQv and (Jesus fortold of Paul) kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYvTqa1vqrOqndUsi=E1jl0hjxsGq08Soi and Apostle Paul was the anti-christ according to the first Christians kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZ7OqJZ9dtlmjrM and Paul - Apostle or Apostate? kzbin.info/www/bejne/porWdXdnYtl3hNU and Paul False Apostle | Paul Destroyed the Law and the Prophets: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH-VZqVod8hkhZY and finally - playlist Paul vs the real church kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHe2Y2xojJd5n8U

[@DavidJeremiahBowden]

Justin Martyr Justin Martyr! The man was a serious Greek philosopher... AFTER HIS TRANSFORMATION IN YESHUA, eternal God... He makes a long discourse the things that the early Christians believe about the future... A time when even the carnivorous animals will no longer kill....!! BUT THEN... he says "but others among Us believe otherwise" Indicating that in the first couple hundred years of Christianity... THEY REFUSED TO BE DEVISIVE... And they would avoid doctrinal disputes! They considered the eschatology ideas to be assertive secondary mind candy from God to ponder and consider! NOT WEIGHTY ABSOLUTES... 😊. Just special things to come!

[@Hmmm7512]

Good point!

[@zr7699]

We lost a real gem. I pray I am able to sit and chat with him in the future.

[@charlenejohnson6632]

My paster 75 years ago was "gifted" with prophecy. I couldn't read but I listened. I'm grateful because I am not scared blessings! I'll be 78 next month.

[@methylmike]

this dude spits straight fire we getting beers later

[@Circlekrug]

Hahahah, Glory be the God, brother!!)

[@klausjaeger497]

To the Church of Philadelphia; Revelation 3:10 (NKJV) Because you have kept My Commandments to persevere, I also will keep you from that hour of trial which shall come upon the whole earth, to test those who dwell on the earth.

[@LastFellowship]

@@klausjaeger497 yeah everyone knows that verse - what's your point? I don't get why people quote a verse and this that is a mic drop moment. How arrogant do you have to be?

[@lw6138]

@@LastFellowship You call another Believer arrogant for posting Scripture? What is wrong with you?

[@traildude7538]

"Already but not yet" -- one of my NT professors linked it to "unless a seed fall into the ground and die....", that we are seeds on the ground and when we die the full plant flourishes.

[@havfruenmayhem4298]

Yes. The truth IS self-evident. You CAN open your Bible and find it.

[@lisamcdade1091]

Christ said “I go to prepare a place for you”

[@arajrao]

~ I just got here and thought of something. The theologies that take place in the phenomenal or real world, i.e. eschatology or say dispensationalism or new covenant theology - these are the ones that are most challenging in terms of difficult. These are the most with the most significant pain points with no current resolution. The theologies however that are metaphysical in scope, these are the ones with the least problems (e.g. Calvinism or Justification by Faith alone).

[@markdeckard6865]

Already and not yet explains two expressions of resurrection and two expressions of kingdom. We are dead when Christ raises us inwardly to newness of life…but then someday after our bodies die we are resurrected physically. That inward resurrection is the kingdom that is within us. The someday resurrection may be the kingdom yet to come.

[@LarryLarpwell]

Jesus has fulfilled his promises

[@stereotype5868]

All was fulfilled in ad 70.all.....Luke 21 20-24

[@geoffmckenzie2608]

I assume that Revelation is "basically" metaphorical. Why? Because of Revelation 22. If we have a literal New Heaven and New Earth, why do the nations need healing? Why are there nations at all? And why are there still sinners on earth? And further, if the vials of wrath are literal and for a future time, how can they be poured out on anyone who adds to or takes away from the book? Those three "conflicts" make me not conclude anything in particular. I just lean toward the metaphor. Rev 5 and Daniel 7 both say we will rule on earth. How are we going to rule on earth if the earth is burned up and replaced? How are we going to fulfill the Great Commission of teaching all the nations to obey Jesus if the earth is replaced? These are serious questions that I wish I could ask Mike. Or, at the very least, I wish SOMEONE would address.

[@HouseofBeloved]

Beloved 👑🙏

[@ronbeard3828]

I love the way you’re presenting the subject. I wish your students were more opinionated 😊. I also love your encouragement to just “mine the text”. On the q of 1k years after 2nd coming, @the 2c, Saints become immortal (1C15:53) = no more time = no such thing as years for us. Also, 2Pet.3:10, elements melt, earth burned up @2c. How can u “reign 1k years from Jerusalem” if there is no earth?

[@teddy122389]

In a good way, my brain is smoking from Dr Heiser's questions.

[@berachtdorian6191]

The account of David & Abigail is definitive proof that this interpretation is correct.

[@fuzzycounsellor9147]

Prophecy is meant to be understood as it happens and in the rear view mirror, the rest is speculation.

[@christianmyhre7154]

Amazing

[@DA-yd2ny]

8:30 Matthew referring to Hosea saying:” I am calling my son out of Egypt …. ‘ Jesus spent an indefinite time in Egypt after he was born …. Maybe Hosea predicted that event ……. ? Heiser was a Legend. LOVE his teachings!!!!❤❤❤❤❤

[@christianbohls9880]

Out of bondage perpetrated by a man. The religious system.

[@thomgarza]

“Already but not yet” = “D, all the above”. More often than not In hermeneutics.

[@iluvfigs4712]

Ask God to reveal the truth of His Word to you. Realize we may not know some things here on earth

[@jonlanier_]

Study to show your approved unto God, a man rightly dividing the word of truth. God's not going to reveal anything to you until you obey the command of study.

[@paulmerritt2484]

@@jonlanier_ Depends. Thousands of Muslims are waking up every day saying Jesus came and told them everything at night and they are getting saved and preaching the gospel just like that because Jesus told them directly! This is happening in Gaza right now! The Holy Spirit is the truth and gives us the truth. We can read the bible with no love in our hearts and no anointing and not understand a thing. I know I did it for over 30 years till I was woken up and humbled by the Holy Spirit one day all alone at home praying my heart out for his help. I was asking for help with my hurt heart and I did not want to resent the person abusing me anymore. It was still going on and it was bad. I had to love them like Jesus loves them and God made it happen. He removed all my anxiety and I have not had an attack in over 3 years now. My depression was cured! I was also physically healed and now lay hands to heal others when I am out telling strangers about Jesus. So many are accepting because God is doing something special. He is pouring out his Spirit on all flesh! The end days of suffering are coming close and we need him now. The world around us needs him so bad! Tell them!

[@Lili-Benovent]

TOMORROW’S FEARS - Lili Tomorrow when you wake again and find the world’s still here With all the zest of yesterday to sadden or to cheer There was no massive holocaust, no dead raised from the ground His promise to float you up, journey to your trials Will have to wait another day, trepidation all unfound. And when this happens every day throughout the years to come Will your faith grow stronger or will the doubts creep in? No planning for the future here or there, your life embroiled in sin For if he only takes the perfect, whose life on Earth was pure What of the human aspect, into the fire succumb. The holy ones judge each other, before the judgment day From the pulpit condemn, decry, their fellow travelers as impure The Judges of the Judges before the Earth implodes And everyone made to account, the strongest voice not sure A life of prayer gone all to waste, as confidence corrodes. Why worry of a future bleak, why think of future fears For if you try to change your fate, the world goes on unheeded There’ll be no Tribulation, Man’s destruction his own doing No God above, no day in Court, no casting out, all regrets unneeded Why worry of the rantings of those who think they know Of Spirits of the Underworld, pain and bliss, imaginations flow. Just take what comes, tell your God of hate Your life is not for him, your only life is yours So be it if you shun control, he won’t control your fate Your life on Earth is not to live with fear and shame and guilt The guilt is his, he made the snake, he cannot now berate Berate us for being human, Why then the potters hand did shake?

[@sleric3]

Leviticus 26:11-12 I will put my dwelling place among you, and I will not abhor you. I will walk among you and be your God, and you will be my people. Revelation 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. Revelation 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. Promise will be fulfilled (Leviticus 26:3) for the Jews who "follow my (God's) decrees and are careful to obey my commands". Source - NIV

[@michaelseay9783]

What do you think actually happened to the 144,000 ? Revelation 7 3 Saying, *_Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees,_* till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. Who is the earth, the trees, and the sea? Ezekiel 39 23 And the heathen shall know that *_the house of Israel_* went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: *_so fell they all by the sword._*

[@sleric3]

@@michaelseay9783 All those who fell by the sword have trespassed against God e.g. worshipping other gods. The 144,000 is symbolic of the remaining ones who had remained faithful to God until their death. Revelation 7: 1-3 It seems God wanted some time of calm for the sealing of the servants. The event of Revelation 8:5 was therefore delayed. Revelation 8 5 Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it on the earth; and there came peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning and an earthquake. Who is the earth, the trees, and the sea? // Does not seem to refer to groups of people.

[@michaelseay9783]

@@sleric3 they all fell by the sword - believers and unbelievers. The House Of Israel.

[@sleric3]

@@michaelseay9783 because THEY trespassed against me, ... : so fell THEY all by the sword. That's why only 144,000 are left. I think this is the context. I do not think that Daniel, Ezekiel, David, Solomon ... quit their faith in God but I am not so sure about Moses though. He seems to have gone the wrong way and did not enter the promised land.

[@Mike65809]

Have to disagree with him in that if Revelation was written before 70AD then it is preterist. I don't think so. It's hard to believe 1/3 of ships being destroyed is the temple being destroyed, 1/3 of the streams and waters become bitter is the temple being destroyed, etc.

[@chrisnoren777]

I'm pre mill. And post trib.

[@iluvfigs4712]

I don't think God wanted us to know, or He would have made it more plain to us

[@DavidJeremiahBowden]

Well said

[@samueldelgado1458]

1 Corinthians 2:8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. i wonder if God hid these things to confuse the enemy.

[@iluvfigs4712]

@@samueldelgado1458 I think so!

[@Hmmm7512]

Another great point!

[@bugsocsollie1694]

​@samueldelgado1458 of course that's why He hid these things. Those things were revealed to Paul for the Body of Christ Church after Israel fell and diminished. God is not dealing with Israel today. He is building the Body of Christ Church today. He goes back to dealing with Israel after this is Dispensation of Grace for the Gentiles is over. So combining Israel's doctrine with our doctrine, can only offer up total confusion.

[@EndGeneration]

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[@stevelenores5637]

The clearest way of explaining the milinial kingdom is by its discription. Chrst will rule with the saints. These saints are those who have died in Christ. This is before we receive our reserected bodies. Therefore it cannot be an Earthly kingdom The thousand years is explained by the people in those times didn't have a word for infinity. They would use the largest number they had to substitute which at that time was 1000. So the milinial meant an undetermined amount of time. So Christ rules as our King from the right and of the Father with the saints and will until Christ returns to judge the living and the dead. That's what the early church believed and makes the most sense. IMHO

[@dan-lansingmi9169]

@@stevelenores5637 only those Saints who were beheaded during the tribulation will return with Christ and rule the nations. At the end of 1000 years (not eternity), Satan will be released for a final battle.

[@stevelenores5637]

@@dan-lansingmi9169 I just want to point out one problem with what you said. "Xilia" is the Greek neutral plural form of "thousand". In other words, thousands of years NOT one thousand. John was a Jew and when thousand is written this way (in Hebrew) it means an indeterminate long period of time. If it was strictly "one thousand" years the "one" would appear with the "thousand" in Greek. The absence of the "one" is understood to mean an undetermined amount of time. We know when it ends, when Christ returns. We also know the day it began, December 26, 36 AD when Saint Stephan the protomartyr was stoned. The reign is and always will be from heaven.

[@preppingforprophecy7680]

Yahshua himself told us the meek shall inherit the earth in Matthew 5:5.... When one looks at the word translated as earth, it also translates as the word land in other scriptures of the NT... Thus in the Jewish mindset of that time it is almost certain that the people understood this phrase to be that the meek shall inherit the land, not the earth. This kingdom promise was confirmation from Yahshua that the Abrahamic land covenant was still in effect, especially since since the word inheritance is connected in Yahshua's phrasing...

[@cherylthompson9438]

Yes, I would like to win a hat! Gray with black, please.

[@skywalker6940]

Don’t think Matthew was treating Hosea as if it were a prophecy directly. Seems likely he was drawing a parallel between Messiah and Israel to point out that like Israel Messiah would depart Egypt. However, where Israel would subsequently fail Messiah would inevitably succeed. This was to demonstrate to Israel that it’s election was not an end of itself, but to serve a higher purpose, which was to bring forth God’s true Son, the coming Messiah. Therefore, Hosea was in fact making an indirect reference to Messiah, which was what Matthew was alluding to.

[@winniecash1654]

If we believers are the temple, (and I believe we are) then what is the Abomination that makes desolate?

[@LastFellowship]

G K Beale might be able to answer that question. Look up his talk on 2 Thessalonians.

[@jonasaras]

The Jewish temple was still standing at that time. The apostate Pharisees were “seated” in the chair of Moses. When they later dedicated the Temple in AD64, they were in fact denying Jesus’ sacrifice and that Jesus had come in the flesh (which is definitionally “antichrist”).

[@thebiblebunker3110]

If the lukewarm Laodiceans of today are right, & eschatology is unknowable & or irrelevant, then Paul sinned when he threw Hymenaeus & his buddies out of church & called them blasphemers. So which is it? Was Paul wrong or are the modern Laodiceans wrong?

[@LastFellowship]

@@thebiblebunker3110 oh gosh. Do you really not understand what Michael Heiser is saying?

[@dan-lansingmi9169]

Read 1COR 15:52. At the last trumpet. How can you explain this away?

[@jonasaras]

What about it do you think needs to be “explained away” by a differing view?

[@dan-lansingmi9169]

@@jonasaras it is a figure of speech - explain this away. In other words, how can someone dispute 1Cor 15:52 which clearly indicates that the rapture will occur at the last trumpet or the last sound of a trumpet.

[@dan-lansingmi9169]

Daniel 7:21-28 and Daniel 12:1-13 have to be explained. I think most believe this is also end times, tribulation, anti-Christ, temple must be rebuilt in order for the sacrifices to be taken away (v.11). It clearly mention days and the exact number of days. Time, times and half-time is meant to be 3.5 years. This is the 42 months in Rev 13:5. I believe there is a rapture. It occurs after the 7th trumpet. The occurs in Rev. 14:14-16. After the rapture here, John sees (Rev 15) those who have victory over the beast, over his image and over the number of his name (666) standing on a sea of glass with harps of God. They are in heaven (v. 7} as John then sees the tabernacle opened in heaven. After the Saints are raptured, the 7 bowls of wrath are poured out.

[@lifeisnow3944]

Is this the whole video or part of it. I am interested to hear what he spoke on tnis topic and i just began listening.

[@Logosguy-fv1bj]

What year were these filmed? The Driscoll reference seems to date it pre-Mars Hill collapse.

[@LastFellowship]

After 2015 I believe

[@Logosguy-fv1bj]

Thanks yeah I’m narrowing it down. The boehner as speaker in congress reference puts it between 2011 and 2015

[@SJDJ0728]

I believe he passed before Driscolls collapse? I’m not sure.

[@wayfinderak]

​@@SJDJ0728 the fall of Mars Hill was 2014-2015. Dr Heiser died in February 2023.

[@chunnelll]

You can’t hear the voices very well so I spent a lot of time waiting for you to start again

[@selahlee]

16:22

[@rebelPriest]

Christ second coming occured in 70. We love His appearing!

[@Sirach144]

Actually, that’s incorrect. The whole preterist position was created to relieve the Papacy from being considered the antichrist.

[@monwellchassion923]

This is the perfect position to take. Why? Because it’s not important. You don’t become “more ready” because you think Jesus is coming soon. Jesus was coming soon in the early church as well. Stop labeling yourself.

[@winniecash1654]

I think God remembers the covenant with His people for His sake. Doesn't King Jesus rule the Kingdom from King David's throne?

[@jonasaras]

Jesus began his reign on David’s throne at the resurrection (Acts 2:30-31). David’s fallen tent was rebuilt through the inclusion of the Gentiles (Acts 15:13-21)

[@paulwise6856]

You forgot predatist, it has already happened, some standing here will see my return, those who pierced him will see, some standing here will not pass away

[@daniellimo4087]

My position is simple. Jesus will one day come back. The rest are details

[@stereotype5868]

Jesus said when the temple was destroyed it would be the sign of his coming..it was destroyed in ad 70..he returned in spirit hidden in the cloud(judgement).. Luke 21 20-24 happend.

[@susangriffis1588]

already and the not yet

[@ecox8358]

Hell isn’t a fun place to be. It was created for Satan and his demons.

[@johnspartan98]

Preterism and replacement theology go hand in hand. The belief that the Body of Christ has replaced Israel (the Bride) is easily refuted. The Bride is the subject of future prophetic fulfillment of the Kingdom on earth. The Body has it's citizenship and inheritance in heaven. That's why the Body is taken up before the tribulation (time of Jacob's trouble).

[@erc9468]

Mark 12 clearly says that there was a replacement

[@SpanishBroomaker]

Galatians 3:29 KJV - And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Please read that literally, including the rest of the chapter. Please consider that saying any sort of unbeliever are a Chosen People is easily refuted by the Old Testament alone, let alone the blatant teaching in the New Testament.

[@raeveth]

He says none of these things are self-evident from the text… except that ppl who are interested in eschatology will often show several examples from scripture that prove their point, although I have never seen a preterist or a pretribber or an amillennilial prove their points from scripture because they fail miserably 😂

[@LastFellowship]

People tend to speculate or link two or more things that are only linked by suggestion and because they have become convinced they sell it as proof (when they are just rescuing their own emotions). Happens with much more than just biblical eschatology.

[@lifeisnow3944]

Kimgdom of God is real. Gods goverance will come when Jesus returns. Firsr js elimination of the evil and then this earth will be destroyed and new earth and new heaven where Jesus will be our light and we no longer need sun and moon.

[@mbrasington9839]

We all agree we are in the church age

[@LastFellowship]

@@mbrasington9839 I don't agree with "ages"

[@michaelseay9783]

😂

[@buffalo4172]

What is the definition of Church? a group of believers who are committed to each other and to living out the Gospel through their actions and words. Church/ekklēsia means Assembly, so what your saying is, this is the age of believers and there were no believers in the past? the Word Church is used and no one knows what it Means. There is only ONE assembly/ekklēsia always has been and always will be. The true ekklēsia is as defined below. Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. If you do 1 and not the other your not in the Assembly/ekklēsia. The ekklēsia is ISRAEL, why do you think we need to be grafted in.. If your not in Covanent your not in the Assembly. Ask your self this question? If Messiah is the mediater of the Re-Newed Covanent shouldnt you be in that Covanent?? Remember if your the bride shouldnt you be in the Marrage Covanent!! There is NO such thing as Church age. This is mans idea. Find me one scripture that says this is the church (age). so go back in the OT and every where you see Assembly just add church same thing. ekklēsia

[@LastFellowship]

@@buffalo4172 I'm sorry but that's just your opinion. Your interpretation of the text is misguided, but I'm sure you'll double down and try to prove your infallible on this topic. I've seen so many people try to correct and educate people in the comments - it's so arrogant.

[@buffalo4172]

@@LastFellowship Not my opinion. This is what the word teaches. your understanding is missguided. This is a comment section right? so don't worry about my comment its not for you then. go to the kiddie table and let the adults talk. your attitude and comment are arrogant and lake any kind of brotherly love. The fact you don't see the truth is no issue for me. I can rightly divide. Brother i understand you cant change minds in the comment section, get over yourself Bro....... I dont it to see who will bite and ask questions. sometimes i get jerks.....

[@julieschoolcraft1503]

Well , if you don’t really want to know truth and stay lukewarm about it I guess you’re ok with being on the fence.

[@LastFellowship]

@@julieschoolcraft1503 this is a ridiculous comment, you're standing in judgement over people because they are not willing to take a position on a controversial topic of theology. Very arrogant of you, I hope you don't treat people like that in real life.

[@paulmerritt2484]

I do not trust his teachings because I never once heard him sharing the gospel to get anyone saved and I never hear him talk about getting anointed in the Holy Spirit. The heart must come first before we can have Gods knowledge of his will for us. I have nothing against him but where is the teaching anointing? Where is the worship? Worshiping intellect and how smart we are to figure out words on their own is all mans doing. The Holy Spirit has to give us the truth or we do not know it or know that we know anything. We need the Holy Spirit to confirm all we believe. The anointing is so powerful people we speak to while anointed end up affected and want to come to Jesus! Even strangers will see Christs love and become believers right away! Did this man lay hands an heal? Did he cast out demons on others? If not he did not believe what Jesus told us to do was meant for us to do. I did not know either till Jesus told me himself and showed me what to do. He set me free. I live in constant joy unspeakable full of glory. I wake up laughing with joy! I sing to God all day long and I read the bible for many hours. I wake up early to read a good portion of the bible each day. I have read it through in a single sitting. I could never do that before I got baptized in the fire. The more we intellectualize the less we are sure of. These teaching seem to be confusing people and have man arguing that Heizer was too smart to be wrong about anything. People want someone to think for them.

[@winniecash1654]

If you read any of his books, you'll hear the gospel.

[@DiGi377]

Dr Heiser wrote many books to make.his Bible scharshop studies available to lay ppl. He also wrote 2 or 3 books directly targeting the nonbeliever, explaining the Gospel. He was not a Pastor or a Preacher. He was a scholar who presented/lectured/wrote about the Biblical text from the persepective of the ancient near east ppl.

[@munumoo]

Bingo. Many "scholars" are not born again.

[@traildude7538]

I don't think the "first fundamental question" can even be answered with a "yes" or a "no", so where does that leave me? Sorry, Mike, but I'm neither an amillennialist nor a postmillennialist! To narrow it to those two choices comes from already having made a certain assumption about the meaning of 1,000 years!

[@DontYouWantToLiveForever]

God's Kingdom is not physical, it's spiritual. John received The Revelation while in the Kingdom: (Rom 14:17) for *_the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit._* (Rev 1:9) I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, *_and in the kingdom_* ... *_of Jesus Christ,_* was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. (Col 1:13) For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and *_transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,_*

[@silverbackhayabusa]

19:00 On the 70th week of Daniel being 7 years of the Tribulation is not an assumption but a conclusion based on a lot of reasoning. It does a disservice to sincere, eschatological theologians to call it an assumption. It's fine to challenge the certitude of any conclusion but to talk of it as just being an assumption is unfair and arguably worse. Assumption - Something taken for granted or accepted as true without proof

[@silverbackhayabusa]

I also find issue with his not reading theologians after a point. 1) If you are going to critique the views of theologians, you need to fully understand their reasoning and the basis for their reasoning. 2) While I completely understand the thought of simply reading the source material, Scripture, this limits one's exposure to others who may have been led by the Spirit and come up with solid interpretation/understanding. I struggle with this myself in that, on one hand, I can put my faith in Scripture and the Sprit and, on the other hand, God has called others to also read and interpret and pass along to others.

[@johntessier8064]

It isn’t that he doesn’t read other theologians he has and not found their arguments compelling. If you assert that Daniel’s 70th week EQUALS the tribulation where is the textual evidence to think about it in this way? Many claim this but why should we?

[@silverbackhayabusa]

@@johntessier8064 "It isn’t that he doesn’t read other theologians he has and not found their arguments compelling." Since when does disagreement with a conclusion equate to someone must thus be making an assumption even though thorough reasoning is provided. There are literally hundreds of books and videos on it. Pick your source. Me giving a high-level summary isn't going to do the subject service just as simply dismissing it does no service to the subject. Do you deny that? Are you simply unstudied? Or are you simply biased to your own conclusion or the conclusion of Hesier?

[@Netgazum]

@@silverbackhayabusa There is absolute and very strong evidence that 70th week of Daniel was completed. There are many books written on that subject as well. IF you need your 7 years for your system to work so you feel good, have at it and Heiser says enjoy it, but do you know why?

[@silverbackhayabusa]

@@Netgazum Just as there is absolute and very strong evidence that 70th week of Daniel was not completed. There are many books written on that subject as well. IF you need your 7 years to be completed for your system to work so you feel good, have at it and tons of people say enjoy it, but do you know why? Don't be a clown, it goes both ways. That's why it's not settled. If you want to fanboy Heiser and use confirmation bias to support your belief, go right ahead. I have heard compelling evidence for the 7 years being incomplete. Heiser acted like no compelling arguments or evidence exist for that position. He's no longer around to question what his motivation was for such a position whether it was dishonesty, disingenuousness, or derived from ignorance. For a man who was as studied as he was to make such a claim defies logic and objectivity. Now, next time you want to engage me and be condescending as though I'm ignorant and require an alternate fantasy to get by on, you can shove your condescension and logical fallacies and get muted. Alternatively, act like a patient, humble, and gracious person (i.e. act like an actual Christian), and we can have a real discussion. If you think my lack of acting as I urge you to act is a sign of hypocrisy, consider that it may instead be an honest attempt to feed you your own medicine so you get a clue to as how inappropriately you're engaging others.

[@markanthony3275]

I'm going to post what God showed me from His word on the topic of the pre-trib rapture. I leave it up to you the reader to let God speak to you about this explanation . God pointed me to a passage of scripture that no one ever seems to start with as a basis for understanding this topic...because it is the bedrock . Originally, John wrote this to warn of teachers who claimed Jesus did not inhabit a physical body, and left no footprints when He walked, but it also applies to another form of attack on the person and work of Jesus Christ. 1st John 4:1-3 " Dear friends, do not believe every spirit but test the spirits to see if they are from God because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can know the Spirit of God: every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God but every spirit that DENIES that Jesus came in the flesh is not from God. This is the spirit of antichrist whom you have heard is coming and even now is in the world." What does this have to do with the pre-trib rapture? Notice John's emphasis on Jesus Christ coming in the flesh because that was the only way He could take our sin upon Himself when He died on the cross. But...He also took something else upon Himself...God's WRATH...the WRATH we deserved for our sin. So when anyone teaches or believes that the Church will go through part or all of the Tribulation, which IS the WRATH of God on all Christ rejectors, they are in effect saying that Jesus never dealt with our WRATH problem on the cross. This is a form of DENYING that Jesus came in the flesh. Such teaching undermines the person and work of Jesus, and what did John say is behind this? The spirit of antichrist...the demonic. Now, look at how Paul aligns with this understanding when he wrote to the Thessalonians on the topic of the rapture and Tribulation ..."You are NOT appointed unto WRATH..." everybody stops there, but look at the rest of the sentence ..."but to obtain SALVATION through Jesus Christ our Lord." Right there in that sentence Paul ties the pre-trib rapture back to the work of Jesus on the cross where SALVATION includes dealing with God's WRATH so the Christian will not be subject to it during the seven year period of WRATH called the Tribulation. It is helpful to remember that Jesus and the cross are at the centre of everything including prophecy, so it's always best to start there. At the end of Revelation we read " The testimony of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of prophecy".

[@DontYouWantToLiveForever]

MarkAnthony... The wrath of God is the Second Death. No one in Christ will experience that (Rev 20:6). There is no “7-year” tribulation written in Scripture; that arose from those who claim a Pre-Trib Rapture, which proposes a 2nd and 3rd coming of Christ, also not in Scripture, and that God can't count and has taken 2,000+ years to complete the 490 year prophecy of Daniel's 70 weeks. That position is in error, the 70th week (7 years), was fulfilled by Jesus and the Apostles. Christ can return at any minute for the resurrection and judgment; most of Revelation has already taken place during these 1000 years (an indeterminate long time), between His first and second comings.

[@markanthony3275]

@@DontYouWantToLiveForever Great! Then point me to the written secular evidence that the worst time in the history of the world already happened. We have ancient records of even minor earthquakes going back 3000 years, and minor famines, and all kind of natural disasters and wars. So show me the recorded records! And if you can't...then obviously you are wrong! Fact is, your understanding of scripture is so muddled that only help from God could straighten you out. Yes...I could disprove everything you say...but in Proverbs God warns me " Correct a fool lest he think he is wise in his own eyes"..."Don't correct a fool or you will be a fool yourself" . The bottom line? You'll can't win with a fool. With that wisdom in mind...I leave you to your folly.

[@jonasaras]

Your assumption is that God’s wrath is a mere 7-year period of history that the overwhelming majority of people will never see (assuming your view is correct). Your view makes the Bible passages that mention God’s wrath completely irrelevant to the original audiences that heard/read those passages because it was thousands of years in the future.

[@carlandre8610]

God's original plan has never been fulfilled, hence we need a 1000 year reign by Jesus fully man fully God ruling on earth. AKingdom is promised. We must also see what a world would like if we did not rebel.

[@LastFellowship]

I'm pretty sure God doesn't need 1000 years to get it right or correct it :)

[@carlandre8610]

We need the 1000 years and it will be spectacular at the end though one more rebellion will be allowed.

[@carlandre8610]

@LastFellowship God gave management of the planet to mankind. We rebelled. Hence Jesus came fully man fully God. Hence all authority was given to Him. His enthronement happened on the cross. He received a crown And was ressurected by the power of God. The Kingdom has started and you can be in it now and when Chriat returns to rule with Him as King and Lord. Yes Jesus is coming and has come to put things right. Justice will be served. So few have ever gotten Justice. All of creation will see what this world was suppose to be like. We were meant to have eternal life.

[@PyramidHeadsLacky]

Im here because I care, and he opens with that he doesn't. I'll let myself out then.

[@paulmerritt2484]

The kingdom exists now. It is the realms of God and of heaven. We can see into it and live in it and know joy unspeakable every day all day. When we are born again we enter into the Kingdome in part. If the kingdom is not real how can God be real? I can not believe this is a question he is asking people to consider. God told us he is sending Jesus to earth to bring the new heaven with him to transform the earth into new heaven. This is called the rapture or the part we get caught up in the clouds. We are the temple the body of Christ! When Jesus brings heaven to earth for 1000 years to rule in peace the rules about needing a temple will not be needed as Jesus will be here in the flesh and glorified body. We will be with the Lord in heaven already. We are in the book of life if we are caught up in the cloud of God. Great minds are no match for the Holy Spirit discernment.

[@johnspartan98]

God says to Israel: “‘Return, faithless Israel,’ declares the Lord, ‘I will frown on you no longer, for I am faithful,’ declares the Lord, ‘I will not be angry forever’” (Jer. 3:12) “‘Return, faithless people,’ declares the Lord, ‘for I am your husband. I will choose you . . . and bring you to Zion” (Jer.3:14). The Bible refutes a belief in a "divorce absolute" between YHWH and Israel. This means replacement theologians have judged unrighteously by claiming YHWH gave Israel a final divorce and replaced Israel with the Body of Christ. Israel is still the "Bride" to be perfected and married to the "Body" to fulfill all the prophecies relating to Israel. While the Bible legislates human divorces, in the passages above, YHWH has different rules when it comes to dealing with Israel's divorce. Human divorce is final, however, a man and his former wife can be married to each other again if the woman has remained single after their divorce. Humans can fall away from YHWH and still be reunited back to him. I see distinctions between the northern and southern kingdoms, but I still see all 12 tribes as Israel in end time prophecies.

[@CBTheWoodsman]

This is a great lecture to prove the biggest mystery of all. Which most people over look for some odd reason, or is someone twisting scripture. Hear me out. Think about what this man is saying and ask why is he asking so many questions? Also, it is really hard for me to tell if this man belongs to GOD, because he could be challenging your thoughts to come to his conclusion, or he really is deceived. Listen close now. The disciples asked Jesus why he spoke in parables, what did they say: “And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. So, Gods children are those who have Faith. Faith in what? The first girl to answer wasn’t just guessing. She was in fact correct. Here is what the writer of Hebrews said, 11:1 kjv “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” So the main question to ask the professor is this? What is hoped for and why can’t you know what the mysteries are?

[@CBTheWoodsman]

And to piggyback off that; the king james Bible says in the book of Revelation ch 19:10 that “Jesus Christ “is” the spirit of prophecy! Which is completely at odds with this lecture. I have known the mysteries from the time that I accepted and then studied the word. Most people, like you say, are listening and following another man and possibly their beliefs in something. However, if we stay in the book, the book of John states in ch 14:26 “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.” Which is awesome to think about, really! I understanding things I do from the mere fact that I study the word (2.Timothy 2:15) have faith in Gods Holy Spirit to teach me “ALL THINGS REMEMBERED”. Which piggy backs right off what David’s prophecy said in 12:4 “But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.” And most will not listen to me because, “And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.” Matthew 13:14-17 kjv And “But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.” Hebrews 11:6

[@ThatsTheSpiritGodCast]

He waffles so much. I can’t see why people worship Michael Heiser. He’s ok but doesn’t half waffle

[@LastFellowship]

Not sure how this isnt a comment that would have been better kept to yourself. I dont see this comment doing anything other than hurting some people's feelings who really miss him, who knew him. Was that your intention? Trying to push someone down while elevating your self? Or was it just a temporary lapse of Christian character?

[@okredearth68]

ENOCH and ELIJAH GOT RAPTURED!!! JOHN AND THE CHURCH GOT RAPTURED IN REVELATION 4:1,2,3.....& IN 1 thessalonians 1:10 ...EVEN JESUS,WHICH DELIVERED US FROM THE WRATH TO COME!!!!!!

[@LastFellowship]

This is a Chuck Missler teaching. It's reading an interpretation into the text. Chuck was not a biblical scholar he had no formal education in biblical studies or any biblical languages. I know Chuck, I lived with him in New Zealand for a few months. I loved Chuck, he is with the Lord. But Chuck taught things that fit his own views and he had a mistrust for actual biblical scholarship for personal reasons.

[@the_jeremiah_16_19_project]

Revelation 4 is NOT a rapture. It is a vision of what is coming hereafter. It literally says that. There is no mention of anyone except John. 1 Thessalonians 1:10 - Tribulation is what the beast does to the earth. Wrath is what YHVH does to the beast, So, yes. We are delivered from the wrath. But, that has nothing to do with the great tribulation. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 - The opposite of wrath is salvation. The beast does not have the authority to make that decision. Jesus said the days of the tribulation are shortened for the elect's sake. If the elect are gone, shortening the days would be of no consequence to them. Jesus gave instructions to His disciples for life during the tribulation. If they weren't going to be here, there would be no reason to do that. He said immediately AFTER the tribulation, the elect would be gathered. Throughout the NT, the church is called the elect. Matthew 24:22-31, Mark 13:27, Luke 18:7, Romans 8:33, Romans 11:5, Colossians 3:12, 1 Thessalonians 1:4, 2 Timothy 2:10, Titus 1:1, 1 Peter 1:2, 1 Peter 5:13, 2 Peter 1:10, 2 John 1:1, 2 John 1:13 The parable of the wheat and tares teaches that both grow together until the Harvest. The Harvest is the end.

[@munumoo]

Many scholars are not born again, spirit-filled believers. Some scholars and greek translators from 1880s even followed mystery religion and the luciferian madame Blavatsky. There are subtle changes in the newer Bible versions. The Comforter brings to remembrance all things. We need to repent from idolatry of our own intellect and seek the Holy Spirit and Lord Jesus Christ's understanding.

[@Buddy_Wayne]

Why do we call him Greek Jesus (Iesous) when his name is Yeshua ישוע -Yahweh is salvation? Why is “believe only” not the same as holding faithful to the commandments of Yahweh? Why is the corporate “church” not the assembly or congregation of believers? Why is there a belief that Yahweh would pour out his wrath on Yahweh in the flesh his set apart son Yeshua but not on the “once saved always saved rapture church” Why is Lucifer the morning star in the old covenant, and “Jesus” in the new covenant found in Greek transliterated manuscripts? Quotes from the Book of Job The Hebrew version of James contains three direct quotes from the Book of Job in instances where the Greek version does not quote from the Old Testament at all?

[@LastFellowship]

These questions and more answered if only you would read a few books including the bible. Stop watching or listening to propaganda videos from you tube. By the way there is no Hebrew version of James. Lucifer is Latin not Hebrew, elohim council members were all stars (read 2nd temple Jewish literature. The new testament was written in koine Greek so Jesus is the English translation of the new testament and the old testament was written in Hebrew with some parts in Aramaic so Yeshua is translated into Joshua. Seriously READ a Darn Book! All these things are so darn easy to debunk.

[@buffalo4172]

The reson why there are so many questions and differant ideas about the end times is because everyone is under the impresion that there are 7 years left. This is incorrect, Messiah has allready fulfilled 3-1/2 years of the Last 7 years. Meaning there are only 3-1/2 years left on the Prophecy. Michael Heiser`s asumtions are incorrect from the very begining. Have you ever heard, getting off on the wrong foot? if you think there are 7 years left your already going down the wrong path and this is why there are so many wrong ides that will NEVER make sence Youll never have a correct understanding if you believe there are 7 years left..

[@LastFellowship]

@@buffalo4172 you didn't listen to the video

[@deniseb-h8u]

I think it is not a material thing. Jesus kingdom is not from this world, the enemies are not human beings but the devil and demons, and the new temple is Jesus body as He mentioned.

[@ritaoosthuizen6521]

Too complicated and confusing.Try and take what Jesus taught Paul at His word in 1Thessalonians 4 and 5 referring also to verses 9,10,11.Therefore encourage one another. Believe Jesus and pray to God everyday.

[@2Snakes]

Eschatology = Mass confusion.

[@bethepepper]

= faith

[@Over-for-now]

Thing called the rapture???? It's JUST a GUESS???

[@LastFellowship]

@@Over-for-now listen to the presentation

[@s981318]

1:02:41 It is because the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God are two different Kingdoms. The Kingdom of God is what we Christians are in now because the Holy Spirit is in us. The Kingdom of Heaven is the kingdom promised to the Jews, which is a literal physical kingdom established by the Lord Jesus at the end of the tribulation. If you don't know these two different kingdoms, you will mess up in many doctrines.

[@jonlanier_]

NOPE. Nowhere in scripture does it indicate that.

[@s981318]

@@jonlanier_ 3Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 4Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. 5Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. (Matthew 5) As a Christian, are you going to inherit the earth (kingdom of heaven)? Romans 14:17 King James Bible For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. How come the kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom and the kingdom of heaven is a physical earthly kingdom, yet they are the same? 12And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. (Matthew 11) If the Kingdom of God is the same as the Kingdom of heaven, why the kingdom of heaven suffered violence and violent take it by force?

[@sentinaludo1489]

Wake up! Pick up your mat and walk away from the empty cross at Golgotha. Why do you look for and worship our Lord at the place where He was crucified. He has risen to eternal life and has sent the Holy Spirit with the inauguration of His Kingdom with the fulfillmentof all things, which is now and in the Spirit. Enter into the Kingdom which is now in the Spirit, through the door (thura in greek), to see the Kingdom which is to come, which will be in the flesh. Nowhere in scripture does it indicate there will be two different people groups, because there is only one flock and one shepherd.

[@s981318]

@@sentinaludo1489 Study the Bible for yourself and pray about it. 5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. (Matthew 10) 24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.(Matthew 15) Are you the lost sheep of the house of Israel? The literal physical kingdom of heaven is for the house of Israel. It is prophesized in almost all prophets: Ezekiel 48:35 King James Bible It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The LORD is there. Joel 3:21 King James Bible For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the LORD dwelleth in Zion. Amos 9:15 King James Bible And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God. Obadiah 1:21 King James Bible And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S. Micah 7:20 King James Bible Thou wilt perform the truth to Jacob, and the mercy to Abraham, which thou hast sworn unto our fathers from the days of old. Zephaniah 3:20 King James Bible At that time will I bring you again, even in the time that I gather you: for I will make you a name and a praise among all people of the earth, when I turn back your captivity before your eyes, saith the LORD. Haggai 2:21 King James Bible Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying, I will shake the heavens and the earth; Zechariah 14:20 King James Bible In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar. Zechariah 14:21 King James Bible Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts. This is the reason why the disciples asked the Lord Jesus: 6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. (Acts 1) Notice here, the Lord Jesus did not say they are wrong that the kingdom they are waiting for is a spiritual kingdom. Instead, the Lord Jesus tell them it is not the time yet. Then when will this literal physical kingdom come? 11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. (Revelation 19) This is the time, when the Lord Jesus come back from heaven with us to judge the antichrist and false prophet and their armies. The Lord Jesus will set up his millennium kingdom. This is the time, the Lord Jesus gather his elects: 29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Matthew 24) Which is prophesized in the Book of Ezekiel: 7So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. 8And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. 9Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. 10So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.11Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. 12Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. (Ezekiel 37) You are right, when we are in Christ, we are one group, whether Jews or gentiles. But there is also another group that the Lord will save, which is the nation of Israel. But do you see the problem here? If you do not know the difference between the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God, you will automatically think that Matthew 24:29-31 is talking about the rapture of the church, which makes you think the church is raptured after the tribulation. However, it is actually talking about the gathering of the nation of Israel, which are Jews. Doctrines matter.

[@hexahexametermeter]

Silly.

[@Over-for-now]

You don't care? We can know by Paul's gospel

[@LastFellowship]

@@Over-for-now ?

[@Over-for-now]

@@LastFellowship Yes, it's important for Christians to care. You say you don't care. I love Paul's gospel -- given to him by Jesus himself. A mystery not known before the world began. Romans 16:25

[@knowone3529]

End times inna hebrew book..

[@ThatsTheSpiritGodCast]

I’m pretty sure Jesus Christ can manage to produce a house for himself to live in the millennium lol

[@LastFellowship]

why would he need to?

[@arqist]

Michael Heiser did not achieve anything with his 'open' view on the eschatology. Remember, God is not the author of confusion. The reason why he can't get the definite answer is because he is using ESV as his main Bible. If you rightly divide the God's words in the KJV, you can't be confused.

[@LastFellowship]

@@arqist I love when crazy people get out of the asylum.

[@arqist]

@@LastFellowship sigh…

[@LastFellowship]

@@arqist yeah, *sigh* is right KJ only people are like a cult.

[@arqist]

@@LastFellowship There is a reason why there are ‘KJV-onlyists’ but not ‘ESV-onlyists’ or proponents of other modern translations. I encourage you to explore all perspectives and decide for yourself, as I did. Some KJV-onlyists may have weak support for their views because they haven’t studied enough and simply follow their favorite preacher’s beliefs. However, in my case, I tried to debunk KJV-onlyism but ended up becoming a KJV-onlyist myself. I found that it is the only translation that remains without contradictions and exhibits undeniable signs of divine inspiration, such as numerical patterns unique to the KJV, established long before the invention of personal computers. For more information, you can watch Brandon Peterson’s video on this topic. You can say all kinds of harsh things to me, but I will speak the truth. You will always be confused and will never get sound doctrine if you use other modern translations and not the KJV.

[@christianmyhre7154]

@@arqist Who were “they” that FIRST put your Bible together? I am a Christian and find this important.

[@LyleCooper]

He is saying that he thinks it impossible that someone can read a passage of scripture with no preconceptions. I disagree. I think it is possible to read a passage and allow what you read to form a concept. As an example, someone reads 1 Thes. 4 and 5, with no idea whether the rapture comes before wrath, or wrath before the rapture. They read of the catching up in 4:17, then read of the Day of the Lord (also called the Day of His wrath in Revelation) three verses later in Chapter 5. The reader can then believe that Paul's order would be the catching up first, then God's wrath beginning after the catching up. They did not assume any position beforehand: they allowed the TEXT to show them God's intent in the passage.

[@pastorrick727]

Your answer proves his point. Your example presupposes a rapture.

[@LyleCooper]

@@pastorrick727 Rick, no one has to presuppose a rapture. Paul wrote it and it became a part of the written Word of God. What many people disagree on is the question of when. Again, I don't think people have to pre-suppose the timing either. Paul wrote of the rapture (4:17) and three verses later mentions the Day of the Lord - just as if the two: rapture and Day of the Lord, are in some way connected. I believe they are connected: sometime during the rapture event, Jesus is going to open the 6th seal to begin the Day of the Lord. I think this is confirmed in Revelation when John saw the just-raptured church in heaven as that great crowd, too large to number, right after the 6th seal.

[@pastorrick727]

@@LyleCooper Again, a presupposition. Paul didn’t write about a rapture. As a matter of fact the rapture is a modern construct. It didn’t exist for 18 centuries in Christianity. You negotiated with the text, using a presupposition, and came to an erroneous conclusion.

[@LyleCooper]

@@pastorrick727 Of course Paul wrote about a rapture or a harpazo: to forcibly snatch away. We find The Latin Vulgate translates the Greek ἁρπαγησόμεθα as rapiemur, where we get our English word, rapture. Latin Vulgate 4:17 deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus King James Version 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. I believe you know this is found in your bible too. Perhaps then, what you are denying is what happens AFTER we are caught up together to meet the Lord in the air. Is that where we disconnect? We have at least three choices from there, since Paul did not specify. We can all stay indefinitely in the air about some part of the earth. We can descend back down to earth. We can be taken to heaven. Do you agree with one of these three? If not, then what do you choose after we are caught up? " It didn’t exist for 18 centuries" I was not there for any one of those centuries, so I cannot say one way or another. A better question would be, what did Paul's students believe? I believe Ephraem or Pseudo Ehpraem may debunk your 18 century theory. Here is a quote: ""For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."" Question: Where is the church in Rev. 19?

[@LyleCooper]

@@pastorrick727 Maybe we need to begin with "Good Morning." Please define "rapture" so we can begin on a level field. I think most of the Christian world that believe in a rapture use that word to include the catching up of both the dead in Christ and those who are alive and remain in Christ who will be changed as they are caught up. Once both groups are in the air, then together the Bride will be caught up to meet Jesus in the air. I accept this definition also. Paul never said where Jesus would take us from that point in the clouds where He was waiting.

[@johnspartan98]

Revelation 20:4-6 reveals a 1000 year reign of Christ on earth. The kingdom is a covenant promise to Israel.

[@ArnethProductions]

That was interesting how Dr. Heiser described Paul as schizophrenic~like behaviour. That sheds a lot of light.

[@AARon11414]

This comment is unhelpful. For your sake, I’ll address the comment as though it is *not* a troll, and as if you simply didn’t understand. That suggestion is made as a hypothetical query, and wasn’t expressed as a literal thing that Heiser believed. He is trying to point out that the passage cannot be translated into either direction so easily, and that neither interpretation can be safely ruled out, if this passage is viewed in isolation. He goes into detail after with an explanation - he expounds that we cannot know what was exactly in Paul’s head at the time he wrote that. There was a deeper point he was making with the hypothetical.

[@jonlanier_]

It's because he truly does not know how to study the Bible properly. He is the wolf in sheep clothing, and you are all following a false teacher.

[@ArnethProductions]

@@jonlanier_ I personally don't believe he was a false teacher; he passed away last year.. In regards to the comment he made, he was pointing I believe, to fallen angel/alien technology 𐕣 that was in play even back then, but that doesn't discount Paul, being human, and that he had a sin nature. God bless you! ✟

[@supersmart671]

Michael says "I dont care"...not sure if that's the right attitude 😏 BTW i am comitted to post-millenial after years of dabbling in rapture ready premillenial eschatology..and i think he misrepresenting postmillenialism by saying about utopia

[@LastFellowship]

he's doing these lectures for you not himself.

[@jonlanier_]

Paul said after that we who are alive and left we will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. When we read this in the English translation, it sounds like to us that it is a verb action, we are going to meet - but in reality, this is a noun. The literal reading of that is“to a meeting in the air with the Lord”. To a meeting… It is not a verb action, but we are going to a meeting in the air. This word “a meeting” is only used four times in New Testament. Of course one of them is right here where Paul describes the second coming of Christ. *It is used in Acts 28:15, where Luke is talking about the Christians in Rome who are going out to meet the Apostle Paul. *It is used in Matt 25 by Jesus in the parable of the Virgins. Verses 1 & 6 when he talked about the wise virgins who went forth to meet the Bride Groom. And this word seems to be a technical term that was use to describe an official welcome for a newly arrived dignitary. When an official came to the city, to pay an official visit, certain citizens of the community… a group of qualified citizens, would go forth to a meeting with him to escort him on to the final stages of his visit. This is the picture that Paul is giving to us of the second coming of Jesus Christ. The saints of God both the living and the dead will go forth to a meeting in the air. Hebrews 9:28 - Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation. Greek word “appear” - optanomai. It means to be seen or appear or become visible. Just as when Jesus came the first time he was seen, so he will be seen when he comes the second time, but… it is going to be much different. The first time he came, he took on the nature of a man, he was seen as a man. But the second time he comes… the second time we are going to see him in all his glory. We can’t imagine what it is going to be like. Peter says “but rejoice in much as you participate…. You may overjoyed when his glory is revealed.” John writes: 1 John 3:2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. Imagine the glory… of seeing Jesus as he is. We can only imagine now what it is going to be like when Jesus comes back the second time, and we can finally see him and behold him in all his glory. You see, the word Rapture does not exist in scripture. It was made up in the 1830s... No one at any time ever heard the word before that time... and so they had to build a fake teaching around it and take you on a merry-go-round trip of the Bible to try to explain something that does not exist.

[@paulmerritt2484]

No one thinks non literal means not real. The Bible is mostly literal and is clear when it is not being literal. His spiritual view is his worldview and it is highly secular. He is out of touch with what others think because he does all the talking. I never heard him even pray to the Lord. Intellectualism is a trap that leads to confusion.

[@hexahexametermeter]

Absolutely not.

[@barbarza]

This is NOT fulfilled yet: ISAIAH 66:23

[@LastFellowship]

Maybe listen to the talk again.

[@my1vice]

Stop this nonsense.

[@LastFellowship]

@@my1vice did you watch the video or re.you just trolling?

[@my1vice]

@@LastFellowship It's more Darby rubbish teaching. The Israelites were still in Egypt when plagues came, and the Exodus is a typology of the final Exodus. The Israelites were not led out ahead of time leaving their clothes folded in their tent. That whole "left behind" scenario is complete hogwash.

[@LastFellowship]

@@my1vice you didn't listen to the video. Keep watching it, and you'll see why proverbs says "a person who answers a matter before he has herd it is shamed and a fool". I don't think you're a fool, but you should listen to a video before you post.

[@my1vice]

@@LastFellowship I saw enough to see a wrong interpretation of Daniel's weeks.... Inserting a 2000 year gap where the Bible says no such thing.

[@LastFellowship]

@@my1vice no you saw nothing the whole video is about illustrating the problems with the views. Watch all the video before commenting to avoid looking like a fool. Now stop trolling videos you haven't watched.

[@The_Letter_J6]

He casts so much doubt on being able to have any understanding of end times prophecies. He commits to apparently nothing. ThIs is entirely because he doesn't use the KJV Bible. It lays everything out perfectly.

[@jonlanier_]

Well, no. KJV is a translation. It is far from perfect. In fact it has had about 9 changes over the years because it have been inaccurate in places. You need to really know the original languages or at least be able to study off of them in some way. He commits to nothing because he really does not know.

[@The_Letter_J6]

@@jonlanier_ That's not your thought, you're just parroting the garbage you've heard- and want to believe. How pathetically weak does God have to be not to be able to preserve his word? The KJV Bible is the ONLY Bible that contains the truth. All other bibles have the spirit of antichrist in them.

[@winniecash1654]

He is clear on the point that all positions have their flaws. I agree with him.

[@arqist]

@@jonlanier_ Those are minor typographic errors, unlike other modern translations which literally change the meaning. The KJV is the final true word of God. It can't be viewed as a mere translation. Just because God started with the Hebrew language doesn't mean the final Bible should be in the original language. English is the most influential language of the current era, and God already knows it. Check all the numerical patterns (which I consider God's authentic seal) that only work on the KJV and not other modern translations. Check Brandon Peterson's video on that, and you can't argue that the KJV is not perfect. It is mathematically perfect and doctrinally final, inspired by the Holy Spirit.

[@hexahexametermeter]

And understanding end times prophecies is not essential. It wasn't even essential for the APOSTLES to know regarding SALVATION because it was all a HUGE surprise to them they DIDN'T see coming!

[@ikeowens4455]

He’s so liberal

[@jimyoung9262]

Identifying the places where disagreement happens and asking people to think about why they believe something makes a person liberal?

[@ikeowens4455]

@@jimyoung9262 no the conclusions they come too do

[@hexahexametermeter]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[@chetanpaulr]

Oh God Micheal causing so much confusion

[@hexahexametermeter]

And you just used the Lords name in vain.

[@chetanpaulr]

​@@hexahexametermeter and you too

[@michaelseay9783]

@pastorernestalbuquerque4770 Lukewarm.