Michael Lewis Promises the Deep State Doesn’t Exist

Michael Lewis talks about Donald Trump’s lack of interest in having a functional government and interviewing a government worker who was labeled as inessential.
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[@mileslaw]

The guy he talked about is a real life hero

[@artallen2860]

Thanks, but the real heroes are the men and women of the US Coast Guard who stand the watches.

[@judianderson9473]

@@artallen2860 No need to be humble. Thank you, and all the unknown public servants across our government.

[@bearbrand6626]

Call me crazy, but I wanna hear the backstory of the fat guy who ran out of his cruise ship window.

[@purplewine7362]

@@artallen2860 hey I'm not Murican but you're a hero

[@d.e.b.b5788]

The heroes are the everyday people who help others, and don't care if anyone knows about it.

[@wades2132]

The name of the book is The Fifth Risk.

[@TreebeardsHome]

Thank you!

[@mojisolashabi]

THANK YOU !!!

[@lauram3870]

Thanks! Jeezzzz, who’s cutting their clips?...

[@andlabs]

@DebbyAbqNM I'm pretty sure someone forgot to upload the first half of this interview, since they usually split the interviews into two parts...

[@wades2132]

DebbyAbqNM He was on the show like the end of last year specifically talking about the book when it was released. They just released the paperback version I think. Might have been 2 years ago when he was working on it though.

[@ReneAlex]

If this segment does not deserve a 15 minutes extended version. Which one does?

[@privatehand]

This absolutely infuriates me even more regarding Our Stupid President.

[@Argonaut121]

Read the book. You'll find yourself screaming at strangers about it.

[@privatehand]

@@Argonaut121 Just got a copy today.

[@Argonaut121]

@Vash Lash This isn't really about politics, left or right, Democrat or (in my case) Republican. It is about the complete ignorance and incompetence of the man who is supposed to be providing leadership.

[@oldrrocr]

TIP OF THE ICEBERG!

[@okkietrooy7941]

I think that politicians have made the tale of the deep state because their great ideas are many times not enthousiastically received by the non-political appointees. They are critical because they know things and will tell that it is not a good idea or that it can not be implemented with the desired speed or they propose changes etc. The politician then has to go back to his voters to tell them it is not going to happen. And yes, the easy way out, is to say that the career officers are blocking.

[@themoistgreenorganic]

It’s funny he’s talking about this book in 2019, I got this book last Christmas but anybody reading this, it is not dated in the slightest! Trump is even less prepared than you think (hard to believe but true)

[@juliaconnell]

Ah - they were talking adding that bit he was talking about into the paperback version - that comment makes sense now, thank you. Is it a good read?

[@themoistgreenorganic]

If you like ML, it’s great. But I wouldn’t recommend it to a dyed in the wool GOPer. Trump gets evicerated with facts.

[@judianderson9473]

@@juliaconnell Toss up between The Fifth Risk and Crossfire Hurricane as to which was the best book I read this year.

[@juliaconnell]

@@themoistgreenorganic me? a dyed in the wool GOPer LOL, nah mate, not me

[@juliaconnell]

@@judianderson9473 thank you - it sounds both interesting and highly depressing - esp as I've proudly been a public servant and know how hard & dedicated these people are

[@ebybeehoney]

I imagine the Obama crew will have to show up for transition for the next administration...

[@katymcdonald5481]

Kate as long as the next president (GOP or democrat) is a reasonably sensible human without orange skin they will have experts and officials lining up down the block to get into the administration to rebuild the crumbling institutions and agencies. The people who have been pushed into the wilderness have a depth of knowledge and love of country Trump could never hope to understand or utilise.

[@okkietrooy7941]

I expect that a the tradition of a transition letter of the leaving president to the incoming president will not be msintained.

[@okkietrooy7941]

@@katymcdonald5481 Katy, that you someone with an orange skin that screwed up does not mean that an orange skin is the cause of screwing up. 🌝 Ofcourse unless the spraytan contains braindamaging chemicals.

[@katymcdonald5481]

Okkie Trooy I wish it was a spray tan because then we could blame it on whoever administers the spray tans but alas it is bronzer he puts on himself. His staff attest to laying out his makeup daily which is why it has a clear tide mark around his face. I think that making his skin orange and thinking that it looks good tells us a great deal about the kind of person he is 😂😂. He should do a collab with James Charles to teach him correct bronzer technique!

[@finnjacobsen684]

Spot on: Trump is the opposite of knowing how things are done.

[@anettanewport8514]

Finn Jacobsen - and he has no desire to learn how things are done. Narcissist are unteachable.

[@tylerkeller8869]

Trump is the opposite of reason and sanity.

[@anettanewport8514]

Tyler Keller - Pardon my grammar. "Yep"

[@jerkfudgewater147]

He can’t use SPELLCHECK and all he does is tweet

[@George-jx8zh]

No colon necessary

[@goodlookingcorpse]

Our culture loves to tell the story of a plucky group of outsiders showing the snooty 'experts' that gut instinct is more important than their book learning. The Trump administration is that idea put into practice.

[@JoshSweetvale]

HA!

[@AussieAquatic]

ML is a modern storytelling genius!!!

[@nThanksForAllTheFish]

and a National Treasure

[@AussieAquatic]

@@nThanksForAllTheFish his books on financial mischief and misadventure are adventure stories for adults, all told in amusing reflection of how bluster and bravo are the real tools of executive management. 😊😊😊

[@blackbird5634]

Ya know Mike, ya ain't makin it any easier to sleep with this information. Not one little bit.

[@nickinurse6433]

And that was just the guy who wasAA on the list.....how many more stories like this are there? I'm buying this book.

[@gerapeldoorn8283]

Great stoy about that oceonagrapher. It is also an example of how government works as opposed to free market capitalism. In free market capitalism, if what that guy did was worth something, someone would have made a book, an app or a business out of it. In a system where everything is valued by money alone, human values disappear.

[@NewMessage]

It does track perfectly that Donnie would consider people within the government who actually know and DO their jobs as inessential, at best, and a plot against him at worst.

[@David-xn9mu]

We need more of this in the world

[@shirleywhitt8740]

I just finished the Fifth Risk two days ago. I can't believe I'm seeing the author talking about what I read.

[@n_v9386]

Ive never read a book so fast

[@lucrativelyrics2004]

Ive never read a book

[@danallyn7]

Amazing story about this "bureaucrat" who is saving lives. We are so screwed.

[@sandrahazeltine8720]

It is a fascinating, yet frightening book that everyone should read. So much knowledge being squandered.

[@ncooty]

He had an interesting podcast series called "Against the Rules", available on KZbin.

[@TreebeardsHome]

ncooty - Thanks, just went to check them out. He started posting again. One ep from 2wks ago. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnWmfmdthqqtp68 Thanks for sharing, def going to follow his work. Have a great day.

[@JonathanZeidman]

Thanks for that.

[@fraklein]

Thank you so much for having Michael Lewis as a guest. I'm blown away every time he visits. Keep up the great work!

[@JAYDUB1279]

Lewis owed someone to have to write this. Longtime fan, done now for life.

[@arondajackson1880]

I laugh and cry at the same time.

[@judy8809]

I feel a moral outrage and total impotence regarding trump and his minions. And I worry about the damage done that cannot be undone.

[@micheleandhenrycasavant386]

Sweetie you are not alone. Emphasis on "damage done that cannot be undone."

[@JaredAllaway]

There are super rich who sneak around and influence lawmakers and government agents.

[@alyssat7809]

I hope Seth has this guy on again soon, I'd love to hear more of his stories!

[@judianderson9473]

Read his book. It's a quick read because it's so engrossing. It's also devastating to think about what we've already lost.

[@groovygirl23]

This was fascinating and terrifying.

[@janjust4205]

Thank you 🙏 for giving light to public servants.

[@JoRiver11]

Harper did some similar things in Canada, though not on the same scale, I think. Drastic cutbacks to Department of Fisheries and Oceans meant loosing scientists and others who have decades of experience in the field. What a mess. Trudeau fixed quite a bit of that, filling those positions again, but the more experienced people are now retired, so there is a loss that cannot be measured.

[@lseh4720]

This video needs to be shared 10 million times, actually 330 million times

[@SpikeyBallAndChainX]

"They now how to do things." Plain and simple, not looking to line their pockets 'off the backs of others'.

[@d.e.b.b5788]

Best clip or even, best show I've seen in a long time. About what the government is all about, and why we need it.

[@anthonygladden6740]

IN OTHER WORDS "CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER ".

[@utubefreshie]

My thoughts exactly! Made this same comment elsewhere on this thread. Trump is a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER to our nation and anyone that does not see that is either willfully ignorant or a straight-up traitor!

[@kooale]

The perpetually fascinating Michael Lewis, thanks Meyers & Co., that book passed me by were it not for you.

[@agramsci]

Michael, much love from NOLA, I read all your books, you are THE BEST.

[@thegreatmonster]

Somebody should check the lighting in the studio of +Late Night with Seth Meyers .

[@David-xn9mu]

Wait what's the name of the book?

[@juliaconnell]

The Fifth Risk - michaellewiswrites.com/#the-fifth-risk

[@andrewvare3173]

Here here, Michael. Very well spoken. Almost Dash Riprock.

[@pierrepy2931]

Except "Firing" people what is DJT-short hands good at ?

[@amitalati5741]

Very brilliant way of explaining and exposing corruption. Brilliant Brilliant !! Bravo 👏🏽

[@izaccy]

This guy is a brilliant storyteller

[@emersonmoulton]

Seth, Did you even show the book or speak the title? Did I miss it?

[@realBeltalowda]

Anyone catch the book title? I don’t think they even mentioned it. [edit] Found it mentioned in other comments: The Fifth Risk by Michael Lewis

[@aileenpi73]

Wow. This was great.

[@janicedowson7793]

Love that Seth has authors on the show!

[@utubefreshie]

I know right! And I love that the discussion & comment threads on these author interviews are by intelligent, well-read & educated people. I feel like I'm actually learning something and having enlightening discussions. The whole Internet is not entirely stupid! lol

[@herb369nichols]

Excellent interview!!

[@jerkfudgewater147]

The post office does nothing but bring trash to your house... every single employee of the post office has essential status

[@Alizardlovesyou]

This is such important Truth

[@SapphireMist888]

Why wasn't that segment longer??

[@SeanShimamoto]

That is crazy!!! I’ve been in the ocean my entire life...and I’ve never once been unaware of my bearings. DON’T GO OUT ON A BOAT IF YOU DON’T KNOW HOW TO NAVIGATE!!!

[@tedtamada]

Fascinating interview.

[@lseh4720]

I read this book when it first came out, and I urge everyone to read it, especially young people. You’ll understand why it’s important to vote.

[@plumerjr]

I read his book and it is excellent.

[@davidgreene864]

Thank goodness for people like Arthur A Allen.

[@GuessTheRiddIes]

I'm a performer, I'm a performer, boots ahahahhahaha

[@cesc4201]

It really sucks how Late Night edits their interviews for KZbin. Cut out the intro entirely, so that the name of the book is nowhere to be found. I assume Seth must have shown the book and said its title. You would think that would be a crucial part of the interview to include.

[@jefflong1799]

It's called "The 5th Risk".

[@CuriousEarthMan]

I find Michael Lewis always has something interesting to say.

[@David-xn9mu]

This video has a link to itself in the description but not a link to the book... or even it's name?!

[@juliaconnell]

yip - noted that as well - The Fifth Risk - michaellewiswrites.com/#the-fifth-risk

[@travitoburrito10]

The non-essential person ur talking about is worth his weight in GOLD where as Donald j Ttrump is literally worth ZERO.. ZIP.. ZILCH.. Someone should inform him of this since he's apparently has no chance of figuring it out😂

[@DerBlutenPat1348]

this is one of the greatest writers of popular non-fiction in our lifetime. Liar's Poker, Moneyball, The Big Short are some of his works to name a few.

[@fotografieuweroder4175]

May I ask, what´s the title of the book, they´re talking about? Is it "Against The Rules" like the podcast?

[@lisasmoot314]

fotografie uwe röder The Fifth Risk

[@fotografieuweroder4175]

@@lisasmoot314 Thanks, Lisa and Kind Regards, Uwe

[@sharkysmachine9248]

KT McFarland says she expects indictments from Durham probe by end of summer...... Ha ha ha How? These people don't exist? LOL

[@TanehaHenry]

Does Trump say 'deep state' because he's really craving a deep dish?

[@MK-285]

Agree 99.9%...instead of believing these people don't know how to sell themselves, I believe they don't care to. Good people are motivated not by others knowing what they're doing, but merely from themselves knowing that they're doing good for others.

[@ahauckify]

Read this book! My jaw was on the floor the entire time. It's a great look into how we transition power after elections.

[@jamesclark6142]

What book is he talking about? Why doesn't he tell us the title? Michael Lewis has a number of books...

[@TheKamilkrawczak]

Not all heroes wearing capes.

[@royhobbs5167]

How is it so many of you haven't just walked into a collapsing building yet? You believe in it, how has it not happened?

[@heyheytaytay]

So basically as I suspected if there is a major pandemic, financial collapse or terrorist attack we are all fucked. Sounds about right.

[@joecseko2]

Arthur A Allen. Remember that name.

[@shakizzle33]

What's the name of the book

[@mikegrand4181]

The Fifth Risk

[@catrinal]

Well THANKS telling Russia 😆 now they know 😆

[@Maja-Danmark]

3:45 I now picture him tossing out a fat person.

[@artallen2860]

Well actually no, we use mannequins

[@paulwinchell6904]

Was said fat person orange

[@dennisaur66]

his nose creates a shadow that looks like a mustache

[@arctichare8185]

It's caused by the placement of the studio lights.

[@willmpet]

So here is someone who thinks you can move Seoul and 25 million people -and he thinks he knows. I just heard "they know how to do things." Read "The Fifth Risk" by Michael Lewis!

[@markphc99]

Horrifying

[@Intomena]

I wonder how much was lost in the lack of transition that could've been applicable to the current panademic crisis respose, and ultimately played a role in the damage... how much of Trump ignorance, arrogance, and lack of care contributed to current crisis and how much could have been avoided.

[@johncampbelltattoos2494]

Its a shallow state that has its campaigns funded by corporations that effect policies.

[@jimshake1868]

Folks if you haven't seen Dr Strangelove....DO! Filmed in the 1960s!!!

[@lauram3870]

What’s the name of the book?! Come on... who is cutting those clips? & what purpose is cutting the name out serves???...

[@mushdogful]

Trump not knowing how to work the nuclear bombs? Isn't that a good thing?

[@zerocoolcat]

He reminds me of Michael J. Fox somehow...?

[@Rubber703s]

Jesus H.W.LBGSQ&me.christ.... great Freaking interview 💪 mrSeth

[@spencerdokes6056]

Thumbnail makes his nose look like its bleeding

[@arctichare8185]

It's caused by the placement of the studio lights.

[@JorgeStolfi]

Why should Trump bother to learn how the government works? Whenever he is not sure of what to do next about the budget, the military or anything else, he just asks Putin -- who knows that stuff better than even Bush or Obama did.

[@bigwheelsturning]

It was a "great book" and everyone should read it. Even Trumper's might understand bits and pieces of it if they tried.

[@thisdudeisnotin]

Google "NSC-68".

[@JJSPARROW1978]

Haha - This fellow has never been near defence or national security. These things have a mind of their own.

[@emvv3784]

sounds like that guy does some really interesting and important work but maybe the 300 lb man who walked out of a cruise ship window deserved to die js.

[@akeleven]

NBC FAIL! : Notice that you managed to publish this stirring story without mentioning the name of the book!!!

[@peegeclarke9295]

Yo.. my Name is Vinnie Braggidochio . I take offense at the remark. ... (Nawt really)

[@bertagriese8282]

what's that stupid mic for when everyone has a clip-on?

[@Xcris_crosX]

You must be a trumper. Focusing on a "mic" and clip-on instead on the subject

[@Timbone07]

@@Xcris_crosX Thats just low

[@Off_the_clock_astrophysicist]

I am a scientist, I think what that government scientist does is cool and invaluable. However, to play devil's advocate. If you have to pick between someone who is a key expert at tracking hurricanes, or on hurricane emergency response vs. the drift research scientist (because you foolishly caused a government shutdown), then the drift scientist is relatively less essential.

[@marymarsella9050]

More of this. Educate our bright yet unaware masses.

[@sidilicious11]

The shallow state

[@shankywestside3605]

Did he say Virus in 2019?

[@aliali-ce3yf]

"People who know what they're talking about" --- this is what Trump and his supporters can't stand - educated people.

[@rond5379]

Ethiopian taught white Europeans how to navigate the ocean. That's how they got to America, so that's not surprising.

[@jonwz]

Just another reason to vote out the Donald. Seems like a good video to post around.

[@jimd1617]

@5:27 the opposite of Donald Trump is an asian man who likes #MATH

[@sweepingtime]

I was expecting a discussion dismantling the hoax of the deep state. Instead what I got was a depressing story of a scientist hero who was never recognised for saving people lost at sea.

[@JohnSmith-ps7wp]

“The Deep State is just people who know what they’re talking about” then his story about the oceanographer/hero. What more do you need ?

[@chrissiek8706]

One can't dismantle a hoax. It's like religion, either you believe unbelievable, or not. He was introducing, by one simple example of one person's life work, what government actually does. If some are still clinging to their "theories", it's up to them to prove existence of said "deep state".