Michael Penix Jr. is being 'underrated' in 2024 NFL Draft | Pro Football Talk | NFL on NBC

Mike Florio and Chris Simms take a closer look at Michael Penix Jr.'s Pro Day footage, which they believe illustrates his natural throwing ability and strength as an athlete. #NBCSports #ProFootballTalk #nfldraft
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[@alexamerling79]

Dude is insanely accurate.

[@ryu-ken]

His arm strength is insane. Hes putting like 70% on those throws and it just explodes out

[@tommybrown187]

Ball dropping right into guys numbers

[@TballAllStar]

That "Falcons....Falcons?" is hilarious now

[@Imichaelperry]

Anytime you have Warren Moon behind impressed by how you throw the ball youre doing something

[@user-nf8il8wo5x]

Crazy I just was sayin today I see Moon in him.

[@whatspackin]

He's gonna be the steal of the draft like Lamar! In 2-4 years everyone will be saying how did he fall to the bottom of the 1st round or even lower; he will be a stud

[@deucefoAM206]

That was my comp during the season and it wasn't just the jersey! The ball absolutely fires out of his hand and goes exactly where he wants it.

[@richardernsberger5692]

Agree completely: Penix is a top 10 pick, IMO. He's arguably the best QB in the draft. He's got a very natural, easy, strong release. He can throw the ball.

[@Perfect9z]

100% agree

[@RapToReality]

The most unbiased analysis in the whole industry. It’s so clear that he’s a top 4 Qb in the is class

[@R8erRay510]

Penix to the Raiders please 🙏

[@9etherb87]

Yall better get him lol

[@R8erRay510]

@9etherb87 you right we better get him can't stand these Raiders fans who think scrubs like Minshew & AOC are the answer I want to win, Penix is going to be really good

[@lizhang9807]

minnesota is picking 11th, you better trade up

[@R8erRay510]

@lizhang9807 they trading up for JJ but I would jump MIN & DEN at 10 just in case

[@SantaBarbaraSongbird]

​@R8erRay510 Easy!!! And we can't stand Raider fans who act like AOC wasn't the 2nd or 3rd best rookie QB last year!! But I do love Penix, and if he goes to the Raiders, I'm fully supporting that

[@BoricuaHunter]

He will be the best quarterback of this draft!!! You can bet on that….

[@nahshon2281]

I'm telling you! The media is hyping up the other QB's so bad. Drake Mayes film is average, nothing special.

[@Ryan-wx1bi]

​@@nahshon2281There is a guy that gets in the conversation based off physical traits every year

[@Nick-kj4nq]

😂 not a chance in hell

[@romain8390]

2:02 if Michael Penix goes to the Giants, he will have the starting job by week five

[@shannonchurchill4556]

Randall Cunningham wasn't the beefiest dude ever, but he did alright.

[@ced9938]

Right and did it in a non qb friendly era

[@user-ej2mb8ww8r]

He’s kinda a mix of Randall and Vick

[@mattm3586]

The first time I’ve ever agreed with Sims. Penix is the best QB in this draft and I hope Miami pulls the shocker to grab him

[@jeradlarkey390]

Uhhhh 😅, buddy how are you a Fins fan and think they'll draft a starting Qb?

[@Ryan-wx1bi]

Y'all said the same about Tua... What happened? A lefty with an injury history, sounds familiar

[@rowan2u380]

Can you imagine Penix throwing to Jefferson, Addison and Hockinson 🔥🔥🔥

[@e-rockmixtapes4073]

He had a private workout with the Vikings.

[@robertlynch9678]

I think he might ball out if throwing to JJ and Addison. As a Bears fan I don’t want to see that.

[@marcharter839]

Penix is the best quarterback in the draft. I hope the Raiders take him

[@romain8390]

His ceiling is the highest, imo with Caleb Williams and Drake Maye to be honest

[@romain8390]

To me, he really does like to a left-handed CJ Stroud…

[@dodu8281]

thats where i mock him. but it will depends of the medical evaluations. keep an eye on the seahawks as well. his coach is here.

[@freedomfighter6549]

Penix is going to the Vikings at #11!!

[@tuckerkline4142]

No complaints from me if that happens

[@armen_ar323]

Penix dropping dimes to Jefferson and Addison is too great to pass up. That’ll be the greatest show on turf all over again. Not to mention Hockenson at TE and Aaron Jones running the ball. Penix might even overtake Darnold in the first year. He’s the most NFL ready out of all the QBs except for Caleb.

[@scottsamways7899]

Would rather this vs selling the farm to move up for JJ Mc.

[@tuckerkline4142]

@@scottsamways7899 I would be very happy with JJ or Penix

[@JerzE_Grape93]

@@armen_ar323Jefferson doesn’t even wanna be there bring Penix to the raiders

[@werb24]

He’s easily the second best QB based on performance and talent combined. Throwing only he’s the best. The issue is obviously health.

[@johnfranklin8047]

The issues go beyond health. He’s a talented thrower who doesn’t pass over the middle of the field (essential in the NFL), and who had a complete meltdown in the National Championship game against Michigan when faced with the nearest to an NFL D he’d seen to that point. If he’s pushed off his spot, and his rhythm is thrown off, he struggles - and he doesn’t create (another essential in the NFL). These are not my words, but those of respected analysts Dane Brugler and Nate Tice of the Athletic. Both have a late Round 2 Grade on Penix.

[@romain8390]

@@johnfranklin8047 there is a video about an hour and a half long of every single Michael Penix Junior throw from 2023.. Passing over the middle is such an overrated knocking of his game… That simply wasn’t what his offense asked him to do… if the majority of the route concepts are focused to open space in the intermediate sideline and deep portion of the field, that doesn’t mean Michael Penix, Junior, can’t make those drawers… But if you want to see them, watch the Texas game, he had at least four completions over the middle that were 10 yards one more… Including a touchdown to McMillan, so it’s not like it’s something he cannot do…

[@johnfranklin8047]

Of course, Penix ‘can’ throw the ball over the middle (the coaches draw the plays with routes in the middle), but he chooses not to throw the ball there. As I said, he has excellent arm talent. But he can’t work in a muddy pocket, as the Michigan game demonstrated, and if he’s knocked off his spot he is unable to create. Despite posting a good 40 time, he doesn’t create with his legs. This combination, plus his injury history, will make it difficult for teams to select him before Day 2. This is the point I’m making.

[@werb24]

@@johnfranklin8047seriously? We are using one game against the best team in the nation as the measuring stick? I guess you would have passed on Manning and Andrew Luck too? They struggled on the games against the top competition. What about the ND game for Williams? Or the 4 game stretch where he under performed? You gonna come up with 20 excuses for it like every TV analyst? Love Williams talent, so not saying he’s not the top guy, but just that these broad takes from small sample sizes is nonsense. And btw if you are quoting Dane or some other TV analyst you’re lost already. Watch the guy on your own. His lower body mechanics are the key issue w him. Feet aren’t always pointed where they should be. That’s really correctable and is largely responsible for his issues w shorter throws/muddy pockets.

[@johnfranklin8047]

Thanks for your reply. I’ve watched and played a lot of football at the QB position, and I don’t believe that you can only evaluate without taking on-board other opinions (both good and bad). As stated, Penix is a talented thrower at the college level and has delivered in the PAC. I do not base my opinion on one game. I’m merely highlighting my concerns based upon his short circuiting, trying to go ‘coast-to-coast’ (that’s sideline to sideline) on plays rather than throw the ball into tight windows over the middle. His ability to deal with muddy pockets is poor because he has a wide base, and unless this changes - at almost 24 years old that’s unlikely - he’ll struggle to transition to the NFL.

[@aaronfranklin4695]

He's top 5

[@Selling-McCarthyism]

I like all the carveouts people are making for McCarthy… yet they aren’t doing the same for Daniels, Maye, or Penix.

[@user-nf8il8wo5x]

Thank you Chris!

[@busyrand]

He looked fantastic at Indiana... I lost track of him and am just now realizing he moved on to Washington. His ACL history is daunting though... Hopefully it's all behind him. He's a leader based on what I remember seeing...

[@KamuiCage]

He was 2nd in the Heisman voting, took his team to the national championship game and you lost track of him?

[@busyrand]

@@KamuiCage I lost track that he was the same gentleman from Indiana... And, I'm in an intense course of study right now, while caretaking my mother, and have absolutely no free time or personal life. I didn't see any college football until the playoffs, and missed half of my Chicago Bears games... The price of success is sacrifice... I wish him the best. I just wanted to chime in and say some nice things... Thanks for filling me in. I didn't know that about the Heisman. I like this gentleman and Jayden Daniels the first time I saw them play. My old coach in college is the current OC for Denver who used to QB Coach Drew Brees, so I'm trained to spot good quarterback play.

[@xavierlemon7035]

​@@busyrandhow u feel about atl getting him

[@busyrand]

@@xavierlemon7035 Good question... I actually got excited, but it reminded me of when the Vikings reached for Christian Ponder. Strategically, I was elated as a Bears fan cuz the best player on the board was Odunze and they left him for us... Penix is healing strongly from the consecutive ACLs and will be a potential powerhouse if he can sit and heal... His leadership and intangibles are top notch. Quarterbacks and Kickers are the only ones who don't compete for their job. Cousins got two years guaranteed at the top of the market... I actually like the aggressiveness, but hate that everyone might not have been on board with it cuz Penix is a great pick with outstanding football character. They paid Cousins a US Mint, but didn't get him an extra weapon... However, Penix could be in a great position with the aging QB... Great Drama!...

[@lesmesromero3585]

Patty Mahomes also had 4500 yrds back to back seasons in college

[@RepentOrPerishL133]

That's what I said. People talking about age. How about he just starts right away because he's had a lot of throwing experience he has seen a lot of snaps he grasp the office quicker.

[@Greggyboyz60]

Bottom line is the G M and Coach will go with the QB in the draft that fits the system. Chemistry is what we need.

[@robertlynch9678]

I agree. Could end up being the best in the class.

[@TomCarberry413]

I think Penix will have a better career than Caleb Williams, the mostly consensus first pick. While QBs need physical talents, most of QB play comes down to the mental attributes. I think Penix does better in that category than Williams.

[@slimesherlock885]

Ive been a Michael Penix Jr. Truther since the Indiana days. Hes extrenely talented. And i already knew he had sneaky athleticism. He might not be super agile but penix can run an get a first down or 2. My playstyle comp is Tom Brady/Carson Palmer.

[@slimesherlock885]

@micro-organism-pv5gd are you serious? Carson was a hell of a qb. The knee injuries messed him up. But Carson was actually really good.

[@googlechicken]

I would love the Patriots to make that Minnesota trade if it’s offered and take him at 11 they get a potential franchise QB and more draft capital

[@djemayel8907]

Penix is qb2

[@terrencestrickland813]

Rise up! 💪🏾🔴⚫️

[@trainmap]

Chris Sims and Meril Hoge need to do an NFL Draft show together

[@jamesdylandean614]

Just like the Seahawks got with Russell Wilson, some team is going to get bonus quality player in Penix, no matter what round he goes in.

[@blowfishes]

Have been saying all year that he reminds me of Warren Moon. As Caleb Williams is not in play for the Vikings, I have Penix Jr. as QB #2 this year behind Maye. McCarthy is a very close #3, but Penix Jr. throwing darts and arching rockets to Jefferson, Addison and Hockenson is deliciously enticing 🏹

[@IntraVortex]

Shhhhh! Seattle wants him at 16.

[@Arthur-hy1bc]

I absolutely agree, how but the Patriots the last time they picked a underrated player they won 6 championships for them

[@scottfisher352]

I wouldn’t mind the Vikes taking him at #23

[@antwanr5058]

Way too late. 11 is going to be too late. Teams are smokescreening JJ in hopes to land Penix or Maye. They know JD and CW are going 1 and 2. Giants might just take him at 6 if their top WR is off the board.

[@realthor89]

I’m kinda okay at pick 11 for MPJ and trading. No 23 out for late round 1st and a couple more second rounders to pick upa few extras

[@user-iq6cc3df3l]

I’ve watched Penix a bit and he does have a strong arm. I would say that Jayden is better mechanically but I’m nitpicking a bit because Michael appears to be at least a very good passer. It will be interesting to see where Penix lands though. Is Michael a first-game starter? Um, maybe on a team with no other options.

[@Compton3clipsed]

The Raiders really are the team for a durag wearing QB. Hopefully turns out better than Jamarcus though.

[@davoncypress6012]

Lmao

[@Animosity716]

Welcome to ATL

[@shannonwillis540]

On the rise!

[@werb24]

Honestly don’t care what Dane had to say about it. I can make the same argument about Williams, who fell apart against the only NFL caliber D he faced. The offense was geared to throw the ball deep outside. But for sure he has areas to work with (foot work and base on intermediate throws etc) but his talent throwing the ball is only Matched by Williams. Daniels is a guy w a good not great arm who didn’t show a ton of arm strength during the year or at his pro day. To me penix and Williams are in their own class. JJ is a JAG and so is Nix.

[@googlechicken]

People who thought he couldn’t run never watched him in Indiana

[@user-vo4on3qk9j]

Reminds me of a storm door. Mostly glass

[@user-iq6cc3df3l]

You know, on deep throws the ball can curve a bit dependent upon spin. I think there’s a Physics term for it. But I wonder how much receivers have to adjust to play with a lefty? Simms is a lefty I think and just the opposite rotation might be weird for most receivers. (Tom Brady I think had a higher completion percentage throwing to his left. I vaguely remember seeing a stat on it a few years ago. But I think most QBs like throwing the opposite way. If true it seems a lefty might be better to his right.)

[@9etherb87]

Simms def a leftie

[@sorrymane]

michael penix jr. is the best quarterback in this draft

[@skimonkey5855]

top 3!

[@JeffreyHamlin]

Wilson, Fields and Penix would be a very nice QB room

[@SubZero-pi4jr]

Yeah without anyone to snap the ball 😂

[@wubranch1]

Same game, Penix Jr vs Mccarthy, both had tough games. One played against the best college D, the other played against the 109th ranked D. One team won a defensive struggle, then Penix is thrown into the scrap heap, and McCarthy is propelled into the top 5-really?

[@brandonwilson4740]

This guy has Sean Payton written all over him

[@SubZero-pi4jr]

Sean Payton has retirement in his near future. He’s washed…

[@jasonsstratton]

He is the best thrower in the draft. Taking McCarthy over him is a mistake. The ball snapp coming out of his hands.

[@johnfranklin8047]

Yes, Penix is a talented thrower, and you can get away with that (alone) in college. But playing QB in the NFL requires a whole lot more. It’ll be a major transition, especially if he’s asked to play, because he doesn’t create with his legs or throw the ball over the middle. With his injury history, it’s difficult to imagine a team taking him before Day 2.

[@tayche1]

Mccarthy and Maye are both an entire 4 year college career younger than penix, that’s why they’re going ahead of him lol. Dude is older than QBs who have already signed their 2nd contract. You can’t compare Penix or Nix to mccarthy and maye. Enormous age gap.

[@slimesherlock885]

Joe burrow was pretty old too. Some qbs play til they 36-40.

[@tsevere]

2.7 year age gap. Penix is 23 turning 24, JJ just turned 21.

[@tommybrown187]

What does that matter when teams are only giving QBs 3 yrs max to develop? If you aren’t developed by year 2 they’re looking for your replacement

[@slimesherlock885]

@@tommybrown187 i agree. And it's not like a 24yr old qb is maxed out. If anything he'll have better command

[@larrylindgren9484]

Not enormous. Can you play? It's not like that QB years ago and his name escapes me he was 28 in the draft. 24 is not old.

[@ahmadsalaah9686]

To bad he’s late, those of us who watched him play all season already knew this now stop talking about him so My Raiders can get him 🏴‍☠️

[@Hue-Man]

I don’t see how the Vikings don’t take Penix.

[@allenfussell8560]

Alternate football would thrive but I haven't had a single suggested video, nothing directing me to JV football. Once in a blue moon someone will mention it, like here, but I think it's by design to mute any talk about it to prevent people from any exodus from the NFL as they get more Vegas bound with deceptive officiating. It's blatant. If you don't believe the NFL tilts games through referee earpieces, you're not paying attention. Look at the 2009 NFC Championship. Intentional rigging documented aside from Bounty Gate. The NFL was in on it.

[@ajsoules1127]

Commanders should trade back with Vikings and draft penix

[@user-eh5cr4or6k]

I can't believe any rational team would pick williams before Pinex.

[@NPAMike]

super senior with an injury history that choked in the CFP. 2nd round.

[@larrylindgren9484]

Name a QB who didn't look bad against Michigan last year? Great defenses make teams look back. LoB for 4 years made QBs look bad. They held Manning to 7 points in the SB is Manning a bad QB? By your thinking he would be. 1 bad game does not define a QB or team. One year NE lost week one 31-0. It didn't make NE a bad team. I believe they went 15-1 and won the SB that year. A bad game doesn't make you a bad team. The Bears lost one game and went 15-1 and won the SB. They had one bad game. Miami stomped them. Were they a bad team?

[@Mike-bo1oj]

@@larrylindgren9484 his super senior status and injury history is more of an issue. His 1 game was really bad he missed a lot of open receivers. One game can change your draft status see JJ.

[@GoCards1983]

RAAAAAAIDERS

[@night_wolf6621]

I hope Penix falls to the Raiders

[@jeradlarkey390]

As a Chiefs fan, no thank you

[@mattjones1378]

Akili Smith 2.0

[@johnfranklin8047]

I’m not sure Simms can really evaluate the QB position. I’d much rather lean on guys like Dane Brugler and Nate Tice’s opinions, and they have Penix as a late Round 2 pick.

[@gsray12]

Agree this is the same guy that said that Kellen Mond would be the QB that takes over for Cousins. Chris evals seem to be terrible. He is comparing Bo Nix and Penix to JJ McCarthy. JJ is like 21 years old. They should be way better than him because they have played more football. The Draft is about what you will do in the NFL how much better can you get. I would want the younger prospect.

[@tsevere]

​@gsray12 Penix IS way better than McCarthy. JJ's love is based on potential and talent. Player for player, Penix is on an entirely different level.

[@tsevere]

Dane Bugler that had Bryce Young over Stroud and Will Levis over Anthony Richardson?

[@johnfranklin8047]

This is incorrect. Firstly, Dane had ‘his’ big board (which are ‘his’ rankings). He had 1. Will Anderson 2. Jalen Carter and 3. C J Stroud. I can send you a link, to the big board, if you wish. Secondly, Dane had mock drafts which are based on what he believes teams will do, from talking to his contacts. This is quite different. I know it’s easy to get things confused a year on, but I am correct, when it comes to Dane’s high standing in the scouting community (just ask Jim Nagy of The Senior Bowl) and others.

[@RB-.-]

Dane is infamously wrong a lot.

[@hitsboyradio8073]

Raiders plz draft him

[@coreykuhl3079]

Penix to Adams, Meyers, Mayer, dude will be slinging it. And he will have ample weapons to make it look good on the other end!

[@breezeb8720]

What I don’t like about this years class and Caleb & Penix both do this is over or under throw on easy routes. You just can’t do this at the pro level. So maybe Harbaugh is right about JJ. Will have to wait and see.

[@roryolson61]

Penix won't be forced to start in MN. He does need fine tuning and the Vikings have the staff to do that. If they don't trade up they will take Penix.

[@shazmagoon]

Penix doesn't overthrow on easy routes.

[@larrylindgren9484]

He the best at playing QB in the draft. If you want a one read a run QB don't draft him. If you want a guy who read the defense and throw the ball, draft him. The NFL wants the shortcut now. Give me a guy who can run. Have that guy run instead of playing QB.

[@davidlee32]

Run and get hurt ?

[@flameplayz8371]

Penix > mccarthy

[@jameshollister8294]

Better 40 and vert then Love Jordan.maybe he should sit for a year and learn

[@hawaiiguykailua6928]

Nfl teams must pick the most media hyped QBs So, Williams, Daniel's, Maye, McCarthy then Penix. But hey, it's fake football anyway haha

[@Tomocohanx]

WWE lol it is entertaining

[@amstel5468]

And Penix will last 5 Years and Maye will be around for 15..

[@captial_vieux8700]

Penix to the saints🙏🏿

[@dorailcrayton3676]

Chris Simms sounds like he's stuffed up 🤣

[@rem1762]

The NFL just gotta push them boys in a position they absolutely suck at because it takes a brain to properly play that position. Ask Sean Payton how his experience with his ridiculously overpaid quarterback in Denver was.

[@arsirey]

Micheal Penix Jr to Miami. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏. And he's a True Lefty.

[@Human_Person_]

Bronco

[@buddysteele7624]

What a shocker Florio has nothing to offer regarding player evaluations or X’s and O’s. Hmmm wonder why this is always the case? Uhh cuz Florio doesn’t know football!! He refuses to actually do his job and analyze football. He can’t hold a candle to Simms. They’re not even in the same galaxy. And Florio knows that but he’ll never admit that, or actually put the work in cuz it’s too easy for him to just steal Simms takes and knowledge and never give him credit for it. He’s a selfish, egotistical fraud

[@BadBart2217]

Terrific comment. It's really embarrassing when Florio does offer his football insight. He gets braver when he's on with Miles and the ignorance flows a little more frequently.

[@Hazeleyedbri]

He's NOT underrated teams are seriously worried about him staying healthy. I'd ❤ for the Giants to get him...in the 2nd rd

[@DocNinini]

Steal of the draft

[@sunnyrobinson2128]

Come on Commanders get our guy

[@breezeb8720]

After Chris Simms pre draft evaluation of Zach Wilson I just can’t take this seriously anymore.

[@larrylindgren9484]

You watch film. You then make you evaluation. That doesn't mean you'll be good in the NFL. Wilson has arm talent. Wilson has tools. Wilson isn't a smart QB.

[@user-px6in8rw2r]

Raiders

[@johnfranklin8047]

Maybe a Day 2 pick.

[@tjdrafttev5002]

Falcons 🙏🏾

[@lizhang9807]

it was a 4.45 40 .... not a 4.5 40

[@user-vo4on3qk9j]

Slowest 445 in history

[@Zetler]

He’ll never make it to the Raiders.

[@brytonjorgensen8457]

I'd be perfectly fine if MN didn't draft him lol. He'll be one of those "great when healthy but rarely healthy" players.

[@Ryan-wx1bi]

Chris "ive only predicted one good QB in Allen" Simms

[@dreworiginals5791]

😂 Chris Simms must be pulling some major smoke to help NYG. Please, somebody in the top 5 take Penix and push one of those other QBs to the Giants. Penix will bust in the NFL. Sorry.

[@mikemartin9751]

Not worth the 13th pick in the first round Mabey in 2nd or 3rd raiders have all 3 NFL QBs better draft defense.

[@kenchun24]

Most draftniks are and have been 100% wrong (especially on Penix) with their copy & paste lame takes, and are WAY TOO LATE when it comes to QB prospects and the NFL Draft... As a big time UW Husky and Raiders fan, I have seen EVERY GAME of Penix as a Husky, I said BACK IN DECEMBER when Penix' Huskies beat that LOSER BO NIX for a 3rd straight game, and the final Pac 12 Title Game win IN RAIDERS ALLEGIANT STADIUM HELLOOOO!!! It was meant to be :) At #13 overall (or maybe small trade up) Penix is more than worthy of the pick because QB HELLOOOO! No stupid cornerbacks or maybe the 4th best Tackle Florio & Simms! When you have MEH traited QB's like O'Connell & Minshew (both are BACKUP QBs PERIOD) you take the winner, Uber traited QB talent with elite arm velocity/accuracy, great presnap reads ability, tons of experience, made amazing clutch throws and 2nd chance mobile plays all 2023 season: vs. Oregon 2 times, @USC beating Caleb, in the playoffs vs Ewers' Longhorns, and Penix was a WARRIOR vs. #1 Michigan D that was overpowering every Husky olineman not named Troy Fautanu, and were literally mugging every Husky WR since the National Title refs let Michigan CBs mug and DPI all game for no flags, just rewatch Penix lazer TD throw to McMillan before haltime where Penix called out the DPI on Rome Odunze mid play!(plus Huskies had no run game and were down 14-0 fast thanks to that meh Husky run D). Plus the whole stupid Penix injury narrative and age (ahem Penix is younger than Bo Nix by 7 months) Micheal hasn't had a major injury in 3 years by the time the 2024 season starts. Big Penix Energy to the Raiders, make it so Tom Telesco and Coach AP, Micheal will be the most CJ Stroud like QB from this draft. Ready to roll with the talented Raiders skill players on offense. No to Loser Bo and WAYYYY Overrated JJ McCarthy (ahem Zach Wilson 2.0 just watch) Micheal Penix Jr to Raiders all the way!

[@ihatebillydotcom]

Steelers trade up to 12

[@FrankWhiteLV]

He is being smoke screened big time, he will go higher than people think no way he gets past the Raiders