Michael Saylor on Institutional Era of Bitcoin, Altcoin ETFs, Tokenization, and Government Deficits

In this episode of Coin Stories powered by Bitdeer (NASDAQ: BTDR), Michael Saylor and I discuss:
- Why are all major corporations not following MicroStrategy's corporate Bitcoin strategy?
- What catalyst will spark more companies to embrace Bitcoin and Lightning
- Thoughts on Bitcoin investor concerns surrounding peer-to-peer payments and privacy
- Will 'tokenization' happen on Bitcoin?
- Should corporations be concerned with the federal deficit?
- Is Bitcoin an insurance policy?
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Bio: Michael Saylor is an American entrepreneur, executive, inventor, author, and philanthropist. He is co-founder and Executive Chairman of MicroStrategy (MSTR), a publicly traded business intelligence firm founded in 1989. Michael is an advocate for the Bitcoin Standard www.hope.com and is the first CEO of a publicly listed company to make a long-term investment in Bitcoin. He founded and serves as the trustee for the Saylor Academy www.saylor.org -- a non-profit providing free education around the world.
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00:00 Bitcoin for corporations
1:10 Questions about adopting Bitcoin
4:30 Bitdeer Technologies Group promo
5:11 Why should businesses adopt Bitcoin?
7:33 Bitcoin's next big catalyst
10:03 Regulations
14:22 Tokenization
16:12 Bitcoin as insurance
20:12 Bitcoin's future
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[@KC-jr6zs]

Great interview!💗 #JillStein needs to be talking about this. Somebody talk to her. Doesn't crypto mining help the grid? The green perks need to be talked about more.

[@alexandercochrane9410]

Had not heard Saylor for a couple days. Thanks Natalie. Top notch, as always.

[@jaynieto5382]

I could listen to smart people all day!!

[@AussieRock67]

Then avoid Saylor.

[@AussieRock67]

@@RikWlz Saylor sycophant I see you clown.

[@edawg654]

@@AussieRock67sitting on 11B of Bitcoin from starting with 500M cash? Sounds like someone is jealous 😂

[@AussieRock67]

@@edawg654 btc is garbage. Rat poison ☠️

[@user-ps1ft1hy4j]

@@edawg654 LOL indeed! Or just your standard internet troll/turd in the punchbowl.

[@stereodachs]

Michael Saylor was a big inspiration for me - i visited Prague last year to see him live - thank you 🙏 Boss 🧡

[@gzl2008]

I learned what is Bitcoin hodl and conviction thru this man. Definitely the simplest and HARDEST way!

[@yamadanish3289]

Michael Sailor is my best

[@JH-tk6oi]

Always great Natalie!

[@bretsmith1586]

Thank you Michael Saylor

[@michaelberico7141]

Another great interview! I never tire of listening to Michael Saylor. He has continually displayed the greatest grasp on what BTC is, what it means to all people, companies ansd countries, and what is possible in the future for all of us by adopting a BTC strategy. And you, Natalie, have grown by leaps and bounds in your understanding of all things BTC and in your ability to conduct effective, inobtrusive interviews! And the days of starting every interview with the tell us about your childhood question is a thing of the past!! Great job!

[@Adam-mo2qw]

To me, Michael is just another rich guy using his power and money to ensure his decisions succeed. To the detriment of other blockchain projects which have vastly more potential and better technologies. Do we regard DVD a copy of VHS? No. Is steel the prime metal in aerospace? No. He attacks an emerging market for self gain.

[@user-ps1ft1hy4j]

@@Adam-mo2qw He attacks emerging centralized scams, with a concentration on those performing decentralized theater.

[@user-ps1ft1hy4j]

Is it? I watch her a lot, and I guess I didn't notice this.

[@Adam-mo2qw]

@user-ps1ft1hy4j bitcoin was not decentralised for most of its life and there is still an argument that it still has centralised characteristics. Miners, whales, they have always controlled bitcoin. How is that not centralised?

[@user-ps1ft1hy4j]

@@Adam-mo2qw Because they don't control bitcoin. It is the nodes that control bitcoin, not the miners nor the holders. That's why the wealthy big-blockers failed to change bitcoin.

[@markdavis8976]

I believe, that Micheal Saylor is genius. He is my reason l brought BTC. He is God sent to BTC.

[@SquareRootOfMinus1]

“Reason I bought Bitcoin” … Almost like it was planned that way. 1. Get long. 2. Get loud. 3. Sell into the FOMO. 4. Massive profit.

[@johngammon963]

I love these two people btw 🙏🏻❤👊🏻

[@minionkevin6623]

It's going to be wild when/if the ETH ETF's get denied.... I can't wait! 🍿😃

[@garyfisherman99]

It's going to wild when Vitalik gets arrested.

[@brent4073]

Seriously, are the only people who invest in ETH doing so because 'well, I need to diversify and hold a portfolio of cryptos' rather than researching, understanding, and picking the leading candidate crypto? I swear investment advisers are having the same approach with cyrptos as they do for stocks and mutual funds. They dont realize the winner takes all idea with tech innovations.

[@dominatorbooze8381]

There won't be an eth etf any time soon. Eth is an unregistered security.

[@ShahroozKharaghani-jr3fp]

Great interview of high intelligence, and thank you.

[@friarnewborg9213]

Saylor is way over-rated

[@rommellugang3967]

Hi Natalie, you and Michael Saylor really have a great chemistry together. Thank you for sharing your talents, gifts and abilities about Bitcoin to the world.

[@AussieRock67]

Both BTC sycophants selling nothing.

[@mcintoshkid]

great one, ty natalie

[@JSteve22]

After a big crypto dump, I like to listen to Saylor to give me hope 😌

[@jeffdoyle]

A dump for ants

[@RebeccaKathleen-ui5kb]

Thanks for the information and incredible amount of research to put this videos together .I had a great time listening to this especially the end with the mountains and valleys .displine and phychology are the most important things in trading and my advice to everyone is the key to be successful .

[@RebeccaKathleen-ui5kb]

Trading in Bitcoin now is the wisest thing to do especially the beginners.Most people think that trading in crypto is all about buying coins and leaving it to rise,come on it takes much analysis to be a successful crypto trader.

[@BiddenRockets]

Trading without a professional guide,Huh it's very funny, because you will remain where you are or even make huge losses that will stop you from trading ,this has been one of the biggest problems to the new beginners .

[@ElizabethHenderson-nm5of]

You are right! I have lost a lot of trading all by myself without a guide.It's been uneasy ride for me. who is your mentor please?how can I reach him I really need help in this bear market now?

[@ElizabethHenderson-nm5of]

Honestly I really need help learning to trade , seeing my portfolio very low makes me feel sad.

[@StevenNickson-wo7uc]

I was Big on gold and silver but few months ago ,I discovered Bitcoin and Etherum potentials . listening to lots of stuffs from "Laak Davies"has been really helpful in my journey .

[@RikWlz]

I"m a simple man. I see Natalie and Saylor and I click.

[@bitcoinpoemspro1406]

Thx Natalie

[@oldrin1876]

My two favorite ppl in the crypto space!

[@juanromero1661]

When will Michael Saylor visit El Salvador and meet with President Bukele to discuss the opportunity to onboard cooperations in El Salvador that are currently on the Bitcoin standard?

[@GoldenMonarch88]

Two pro Israel self imposing A-Holes meeting together to discuss WEF Propaganda? Yeah, no thanks. Bukule and Saylor be no different from likes of Fink, Musk, Woods, etc

[@layhingsiu-munro8810]

Love this interview! Just putting into perspective what BC is heading too. And it just makes so much sense.

[@AussieRock67]

ROFL

[@Acd1217]

Quality content as always; thank you both🙏🏻

[@lostintranslation03]

very good intelligent interview & interview skills, thanks Natalie! just found your channel & subbed, with hours of new content to watch!

[@SubstrykBTC]

Well done!

[@davidrandall7708]

Michael always great info on bitcoin news

[@Anti-Ratshield-vel-Antysystem]

Halving reduces supply ~164k BTC annually, so if ETFs buy more than that, they have bigger impact than halving. So far they bought more than 164k BTC, so it's like double halving, after ~4 months.

[@PandarenCH]

so in august 2024?

[@Anti-Ratshield-vel-Antysystem]

@@PandarenCH We'll see.

[@kenuchaccordionlessonsintr6003]

I think a humble guy.... knows a lot, and does not flaunt it...

[@user-ol7tl1vf5m]

The difference between Bitcoin and the USD is that, unlike the privately owned central bank, Bitcoin doesn't rely on bribing politicians to enable unlimited creation of new money.

[@christiansailor2880]

Great interview!

[@JR-gj3fx]

I’ve been hoping Bitcoin could keep the goblins in all the Agencies at bay-and strengthen property rights, the right to transact, and freedom from censorship & control.

[@baldheadjamaican2551]

Michael saylor the biggest mascots for btc. Once he get liquidity talk about the sale we would have for btc.

[@thorarthur66ddz]

What a treat =)

[@user-vo2pc6os8f]

Always another good interview.. but honestly.. I couldn’t take my eyes off that spectacular dress u wore. Amazing dress , amazing fit- it was made for u!, great choice,

[@billfrenger8955]

Thank you Natalie. Perhaps Institutionalization is a form of Centralization.

[@amitpatel-ix4df]

Thanks Natalie

[@debracrosby1139]

Brilliance

[@dankc60]

in Saylor we trust, "people who use fiat currency as a story of value...we call them poor"

[@alexasad4745]

That’s right

[@DouglasHeyen]

One thing I’d like to say about Michael’s comment on Btc needing corporations. Maybe today. as the printing comes full on again they will soon realize it’s them who need Btc. Which honestly has always been the case since bitcoin genesis block. 2008 bank bailout. Here we are again giving this industry another life raft after they put us in this hard spot requiring the invention of bitcoin. We like the banking industry but they better understand we know how we got here.

[@69pepe420]

PEPE loves u Saylor

[@amitnaik8663]

I love Michael and Natalie! You guys are true voice of Bitcoin! Keep up the great work guys! I am long time bitcoin hodler!! And Natalie you are looking very beautiful !!

[@binaryvat]

Price of stocks are based on companies' earnings - you own a part of a company and its business; price of commodities are based on commodity's properties and the demand for the material. What is the price of bitcoin based on?

[@m2rsvp]

Thanks, Natalie! Great interview. ❤🙂

[@user-Old_Ben]

Good talk, though the back ground conversations are a bit distracting.

[@JimJamJuicy]

The man! And the woman! You two rock

[@JefRdam]

2 Smartest People in the Bitcoin community 🧡

[@HODL_BTC]

Congrats Nat 🚼

[@_Atomicex]

It's crucial to stay informed about Hypeloot's progress in the market.

[@marlondlee8740]

Most intellegent guy on Btc

[@jesboogie]

MSTR & BTC FTW 🎉

[@sofakingsmawsome718]

See you next month 😊

[@balchana3365]

So intelligent and absolutely beautiful at the same time ❤

[@LOGOS_Official]

Natalie always has Saylor smiling ear to ear. I think he has a little crush

[@91Sade]

it goes both sides 💘

[@johng3292]

To bad for him, she is taken.

[@dgnr269]

I don't blame him 😅

[@A.nasierkhan]

He will dip his bitcoin deep down into her hardware wallet real talk lol😂

[@pokej8942]

He probably does lol

[@m.vonhollen6673]

When music recording went digital, there was great resistance. Soon though, the benefits became undeniable. Bitcoin is digital wealth.

[@Bitachon]

*Hey Natalie, are you still working with Bill with Abra?*

[@jayasinghemahavitana2215]

Are you accept self custody wallet payment Bitcoin

[@WelbeckWayne]

Laak Davies"expertise is truly commendable .He has this skill of making complex crypto concepts easy to understand.

[@WelbeckWayne]

Telegram

[@WelbeckWayne]

@LaakDavies

[@SyedAsimMunir-gn1sp]

I'm even surprised hearing the name of this great mentor Laak Davies hear ,I didn't know he has also been good to many people like me . Doing the time I had such issue he's the one that helped out he's impressive indeed ❤

[@geoms6263]

I respect Michael Saylor for being able to speak, even though a very beautiful woman was sitting next to him. I wouldn't be able to concentrate😍

[@flicndills123]

Internet of money/value. Sounds familiar

[@Ccrow78789]

Curious why MS so sure other crypto ETFs won't be approved?

[@dominatorbooze8381]

Because they are all unregistered securities.

[@Jontellis]

🔥

[@majidkhokher7692]

Natalie❤

[@michaelsteven1090]

2040? damn, I'm already too old..

[@sieglines]

Saylor practically interviews himself haha

[@zhuoyangsong704]

Michael looks so happy 😂

[@alviolampis]

....forever, Laura....

[@kartoffelkeks29]

❤

[@JeromeNuggethead]

Ganggang

[@foochinator]

Michael got the googoo eyes lol

[@tarbybahbell4086]

The confidence in Saylor's eye calms us even bitcoin price falling. Sure itll go up insanely high

[@placebogazebo9671]

OMG. There's more going on in this interview than meets the eye.

[@_FightForYourFreedom_]

Que? 😋

[@SundanceStudio]

They would make a great couple

[@SquareRootOfMinus1]

Why would Saylor avoid the question on Tokenization ? No doubt BlackRock will tokenize all funds. They already have at least two MMF’s on chain.

[@Nguyenvictory83]

I am so happy that I made productive decisions about my finances that changed my life forever. I am a single mother and I live in Spain, I bought my second house in September and I hope to retire next year at 40 if all goes well. thanks to Natalie Rose Strayer for helping me achieve this.

[@Dederickgeorge]

You trade with Natalie Strayer too? Wow that woman has been a blessing to me and my family.

[@Toddburke343]

That woman has changed my life for good. I attended her investment class couple of weeks last year and she’s the best when it comes for Guidance.

[@Jessecote875]

I've heard a lot about her. Please how do I contact Natalie Strayer?

[@Charlottehornets4]

I'm happy to see Mrs Natalie Strayer mentioned here, my husband recommended her to me when I was in Germany during Covid, she's amazing.

[@erikyanez5371]

The very first time we tried, we invested $1700 and after a week, we received $9000. That really helped us a lot to pay up our bills.

[@noelsaligumba7143]

52k coming

[@fragu123]

..that’s definitely a possible scenario. And then skyrocketing over 100k$….

[@StevenWilliams66]

I wish Microstrategy would invest more in the AV. For such a successful company, this conference comes across like they hired the hotel AV guys on a low budget. Not a good look. 😅

[@samuelwilliams3044]

You look very nice 😊

[@Yo_Kelz]

Laser eyes

[@btdoe3259]

A little dry and not so exciting in the beginning. Difficult to keep looking. Great work though 😊

[@BrendaNayeli-yk4he]

Whales group says that AMS90H will be pumped on Sunday

[@geoms6263]

scam bam bam

[@videshx818]

BTC is supported by so many conferences & promotion, while gold has nothing like so. US & west is de-dollarizing thru BTC & east by gold

[@Adam-mo2qw]

So what Michael is saying is corporations have an invested interest in banning altcoins because it will make them rich....

[@Sinekyre14]

Vested interest, is what you mean. It's a legal term.

[@Adam-mo2qw]

@@Sinekyre14 thanks

[@michaelsmorenburg-writer8480]

Michael gobbling her up with his eyes.

[@KristinPMosher]

I'm admittedly bummed that I didn't go with my gut instinct & buy bitcoin few months back when it was $20k - $25k range. is it too late to get in and make profits? i have set aside $450k to get fully invested this year

[@ThomasChai05]

I don't think it is. Once bitcoin crosses it's all time high, it becomes the new bottom. Anything under 69k is a good buy. It's still advisable to work with a fiduciary advisor instead of relying solely on speculations

[@mariaguerrero08]

The only issue you might have is the fear of missing out, just like everyone else. A good number of people discredit the effectiveness of financial advisors in exploring new market opportunities, but over the past 10years I’ve had a financial advisor consistently restructure and diversify my portfolio/expenses and I’ve made over $3million in gains… might not be a lot but i'm financially secure.

[@mikegarvey17]

@@mariaguerrero08who is your advisor please, if you don't mind me asking?

[@mariaguerrero08]

"Gertrude Margaret Quinto" is the licensed advisor I use. Just research the name. You’d find necessary details to work with a correspondence to set up an appointment

[@91ScottieP]

She appears to be well-educated and well-read. I ran a Google search for her name and came across her website; thank you for sharing.

[@SorensenBjerring]

" WE CALL THEM POOR " 😅😂❤

[@jordansotoromero8320]

Amazon released AMS90H the first market change this year simply cus of that release ??

[@Josephbasta827]

I lost over $70k when everything started to tank. Not because I was in an exchange that went belly up. I was just stupid to hold and because that's what everyone said. I'm still responsible. It just taught me to be a better investor now that I understand more of what could go wrong. It took me over two years of being in the market, I'm really grateful I found one source to recover my money, at least $10k profits weekly. Thanks Patricia Annie Brooks

[@Scottweeier846]

Wow. I'm a bit perplexed seeing her been mentioned here also Didn’t know she has been good to so many people too this is wonderful, i'm in my fifth trade with her and it has been super.

[@Teresalepore019]

She is my family's personal broker and also a personal broker in many families I'm United States, she's a licensed broker and a FINRA AGENT in United states

[@Jessecote875]

You trade with Annie Brooks too? Wow that woman has been a blessing to me and my family.

[@Brucelanham845]

I'm new at this, please how can I reach her?

[@Nguyenvictory83]

I just withdrew my profits a week ago, To be honest it was an amazing feeling when the profits hits my wallet I wish I could reinvest but, too much bills

[@IamChairMayne]

It’s an African Proverb not Asian! “If you want to go fast, go alone, if you want to go far, go together”. African Proverb

[@wearesatoshi__]

saylor wasn't smiling when btc was $30k.

[@wearesatoshi__]

we liked him better during the bear market. he's like a giddy little child now.

[@mlbonfox8199]

I’m a huge shareholder; why wasn’t I invited to this….

[@darwel007]

According to Warren Buffett, corporation should focus on bitcoin and eliminate other operations!

[@DarlingtonEmmanuel-xe6ri]

This seems like the worst period. Even the market are now very unpredictable. Started investing recently when the market prices were a bit high,today I am more than 60% down!

[@EricJohnson-st1pg]

Don’t be confuse buying the dip in a bear market, with guaranteed future returns. Just because that company is down 60%+ from ATH does NOT make it a sound long-term investment. Make sure you’re investing in great companies. kudos to Lucy Baldwin ....

[@DarlingtonEmmanuel-xe6ri]

Please educate me, i'm willing to make consultations to improve my situation,

[@EricJohnson-st1pg]

She's recognized as 'Mrs Lucy . One of the finest portfolio managers in the field. She's widely recognized; you should take a look at her work.

[@DarlingtonEmmanuel-xe6ri]

Please how do I find this financial counselor?

[@DarlingtonEmmanuel-xe6ri]

I'd love to know this mentor of yours

[@alexsayapin5200]

We will see bitcoin back to 20k again soon!

[@fragu123]

…guess you are massively short then already….😂😂😂 bla, bla, bla

[@mohitaofficial]

Half assets MSTR is Bitcoin, Bitcoin rise MSTR will go up.

[@MeridithCanela]

I’m going to Bitcoin cost average into my AMS90H once the depression phase kicks in

[@user-yv1jj4ts6w]

AMS90H, a pick with potential if they follow through!

[@gaeldesmontagnesnoires1711]

If ONLY Micheal was to be honest about the "corporate plot twist" he's using to acquirer BTC, it would go a LONG WAY for corporate adoption. WHAT PLOT TWIST???.. well the one where Micheal is using "corporate financial structures" to buy BTC for $0 .. No wonder he keeps accumulating; wouldn't you if you could get BTC for free? EVERY corporation needs to replicate the steps he takes. It's not that complicated tbh

[@birinhos]

Please a debate on how utlity value is not good for money and is not a propertie of money. To shutdown the Peter Shitf last argument. The problem is money that BTC solves better than all alternatives (gold condutivity does not solve any real problem... In the year 500 there was no periodic table 🙂... etc. Just make Peter Shift google "properties of money"). (Peter is dameging the youtube sentiment on BTC with very basic fallacious talk)

[@wazaaaa-eg3is]

They will both serve a function and niche. AMS90H has a lot more momentum right now and will decentralize as it scales

[@chevchelios354]

🌍🅱️🥂

[@user-um6gg3qh7j]

👍🔥👍