The Difference Between an Organ and a Baby

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During the Q&A portion of my speech at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, a young woman tried to trick me by comparing abortion with organ donation. First of all, she didn't actually know my opinion on organ donation. Then, when she got frustrated and walked away, she yelled, "You're not worth talking to, Matt!" Matt? That's not my name!
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[@Eric-cj7ph]

Organ donation is a choice that person chooses to do with their own body. Abortion is taking the life of an individual without their consent.

[@hegemonycricket2182]

​@@Filthee_casualyou dont have legal consent until you are no longer a minor.

[@Eric-cj7ph]

@Filthee_casual actually it's been proven that they do have thoughts.

[@presidentcovfefe]

⁠@@Filthee_casual the right to life. By simply existing as a human you do not consent to an unjust killing, which is why we call it murder and that’s illegal. Does this really need clarification?

[@sol-hunter2332]

​@Filthee_casual did you know that babies in the womb can react to stimuli? What is that if not thought? And what about the rare few who actually have memories of their birth? Or how about, let's not kill a defenseless human for our own comfort.

[@kallioperobling3359]

​@@Filthee_casualmaybe have an opinion once you have some basic knowledge. They have thoughts, as anyone with basic knowledge knows.

[@stooch66]

She really thought she had him pinned. When she didn’t, she threw a tantrum.

[@septillion2501]

They always run away 😂

[@LB00146]

Thats a liberal for you! 😂

[@crazymofodonialler]

Exactly!! Like they always do

[@78tag]

Absolutely, happens every time.

[@eleventy9x330]

Calling him Matt was the cherry on top!!! 😂

[@Hupernike45]

She walked away because she realized as soon as the words came out of her mouth, she'd lost the argument. If you're winning a debate, why would you quit in the middle of it?

[@americanalah]

Bingo.

[@MatteoGuzzi]

Not to side with her. But I would walk from debates if the opposing side is being difficult and unwilling to consider different perspectives.

[@americanalah]

@@MatteoGuzzi you’re delusional if you think Michael was difficult and she wasn’t

[@BroArmyCommander]

@@MatteoGuzzi Are you suggesting this was the case here? If not, I agree. If you are, you can't expect the other party to change their principles. They can go with your views and agree you are right, but those are not their views. So, you will have to debate about why their views are wrong, which the girl didn't do. She just expected him to think like she does, change his view of the topic to hers, and then agree, with no real reason to change his own views.

[@laughingman_confused]

​@@MatteoGuzziif your the one challenging, the burden is on you to prove your point.

[@totaldebanker]

She actually said "logic is entirely unrelated to what I was saying in the first place." Probably the best self burn I have ever heard.

[@SatinSoul]

💯 Typical Feminist Logic...None, they are Driven by an Agenda. Ideologues.

[@metallic_cocoa]

a summary of the left, liberals, & the most of gen z 😅

[@jessebensen3569]

She said "logic that's entirely unrelated...". As in, sure, you were applying logic to your answer, but that logic was about something unrelated to the question I asked. I don't agree with her position in the slightest, but let's be fair in our criticism of her.

[@investordangdaniel]

@@jessebensen3569 WTF? you need logic in any debate. WTF is this?

[@highestpeeqs9532]

Jesus loves yall, died for us, and rose again! Jesus calls for all of us to repent! He's coming back

[@stevek917]

That is the dumbest pro-abortion argument I've ever heard.

[@angelicearthling]

And the dumbest arguments always end with the liberal thinking "Got em!" at the end lol.

[@78tag]

@@angelicearthling ....and it always ends with a walk-out when they are hit with the logic that blows them out of the water.

[@angelicearthling]

@@78tag right. They storm off lol.

[@nchinth]

no. it isn't. because they're all equally dumb.

[@heatherbug265]

All pro-abortion arguments are dumb.

[@abbysmith6660]

Walking away from the conversation because things aren’t going your way is so childish. 🤦‍♀️

[@marcus3457]

The immature arrogance was stunning.

[@paytons6767]

I guess thats what they teach in college now

[@78tag]

@@paytons6767 ... I agree but as every parent knows, that is how children act until they learn to be adults and they aren't learning how to be adults in school.

[@Sakattack2023]

Her whole worldview is influenced by her child like awareness.

[@Sakattack2023]

@@78tagschool isn’t supposed to teach your adult child, how to be an adult. That’s you, the parents, job.

[@kevinmoore5053]

She says she doesn't have a choice about the baby, but she did have a choice, she chose to have sex

[@stevek917]

I don't think these people know those things are related. They see pregnancy as some kind of curse or punishment. Like a cancer to be removed.

[@spencerd8504]

yes that's true for the most cases of abortion except for the rare cases that involves rape. So they at least have to accept abortion should only be available in the cases of rape.

[@thecaptain5026]

Sex can be forced on you. Also, people make mistakes. Certainly before the age of 16.

[@coochikins]

@@thecaptain50262 wrongs don’t make a right. no woman is pleased with a man forcing his will upon her so why would she choose become like her rapist and force her will upon a helpless child.

[@coochikins]

@@thecaptain5026mistakes have consequences and the sooner that’s learned the less likelihood that mistake will be repeated

[@LightOfReason7]

I would like to thank the Lady who spoke last, it took a lot of courage to do so, God bless you.

[@hxhdfjifzirstc894]

Yes, this is the 'trap' that abortion creates -- it forces women to either live in a world of unreality (in which they are easily manipulated for political power), or to admit that they have killed their own child. Which is why they push abortion, constantly. It's a chain that they can put around the necks of women, to keep them picking cotton on the D voting plantation. The only way to escape requires them to admit they killed their own baby. Many women simply are not strong enough to ever overcome that... it's diabolical. So they live their entire lives ranting about clumps of cells, and voting for the people that enslaved them.

[@Noflexing100]

Just because it takes courage doesn't mean you're right. You're just being courageously dumb. Instead of focusing on being so courageous having your view point on your mind while people are talking, its best to just shut up and listen. So you can take it in and learn.

[@Healcannon]

She made it to college without realizing a womb is a specific organ that's job is to foster and care for someone else. Specifically for the body of another rather than her own body.

[@moshco23]

Great point

[@78tag]

There are apparently a bunch of them that have made it through college and life without understanding.

[@daniel12402]

Yeah making it to college actually isn’t an achievement. I unfortunately wasted 4 years at one and learned nothing in class the made me more wise . Life taught me way more

[@78tag]

@@daniel12402 That is the point everyone is missing - at great expense I might add.

[@megankissinger8269]

It would be nice if conservatives valued any organs beyond that one.

[@TheCrusaderKing]

"You're not worth listening to Matt!" And your nonsense is?

[@rosezingleman5007]

And it’s not Matt anyway. It’s Michael.

[@The_Lord_has_it]

I think he was just mocking her. It's all good. Have a wonderful day and God bless.

[@taylord9190]

Idiots. They all storm off dramatically like the children they are 😂😂

[@VoVina111]

​@@rosezingleman5007did she think he was Matt Walsh? Lool

[@dreymak4071]

@@VoVina111 "All these right wingers look the same, I can't tell them apart!" - Her probably.

[@tomheinle1049]

An organ cannot survive outside of a body. A baby can. Apples and oranges here.

[@thecaptain5026]

That's true, but also note: Without medical help, a baby could survive outside the womb after 24 weeks. Before 22 weeks it's extremely rare/impossible. And sometimes, early in development we can see severe congenital anomalies e.g. that a baby is never going to be able to survive. In a case like that an abortion is needed.

[@mushios]

​@@thecaptain5026 So my responce to the last part. I would still say abortion isn't needed in that case. Unless the mother was at risk, like an ectopic pregnancy where the child is harming the mother. There is no point in abortion. Someone explained once that if you were by the side of a dying family member. Wouldn't you want to spend your last moments on earth together as long as you could? Same with a baby, even if they aren't viable to survive outside the womb for very long. Most mothers would wanna hold on to their babies for as long as they could. The womb is the safest place for their baby and I'd wanna spend every second that I had with my child if that were to happen. Currently 20 weeks right now so that definitely got me.

[@thecaptain5026]

@@mushios you're are correct that it's not always needed to have an abortion in those cases. But what if a pregnancy is at week 11 and the parents do not want to wait the rest of the time just to have a stillborn baby? And yes, I would want a dying loved one to stay alive as long as possible. Unless the end is close and they are in agony.

[@theevermind]

I don't think the claim she confused organ and baby was accurate. I think her line of argument was intended to be: 1. Knowles was supposed to agree that it's wrong to take resources from a person without consent. 2. A baby in a womb takes resources from the mother 3. If a mother does not give consent to give nourishment (resources) to the baby, then Knowles must agree that continuing the pregnancy is wrong. It all blew up when Knowles rejected the idea of people's bodies being "resource."

[@mcraft1181]

​@theevermind the baby took resources with the mother's consent the moment the woman agreed to have sex. Just because the woman regrets getting pregnant while throwing that thang back doesn't make the baby's life worthless.

[@Corato4535]

The second lady. Oh thank You Sweet Lord. She was so open and honest. She has confidence in the infinite Love and Mercy of Jesus. What a beautiful testimony and blessing. Praise You Jesus ✝️🙏🕊❤️

[@Razl07]

She didn’t want to debate. She just wanted to attack him.

[@locutus2962]

Once you hear that emotional voice quiver, you know she's about to lose. Lol.

[@carlostejada1479]

like all the libtards out there

[@johnhedtke7571]

Welcome to the Class. "How to talk at people." Today we will learn how to walk away in a HUFF! After your opponent destroys your statement and easily escapes your Mental Gymnastic Box you put him in. Then refer to him with the wrong Name. Remember this is not the same as wrong pronouns. Now go out there and show the world your stuff!

[@rextar9961]

She was debating with matt

[@spencerd8504]

I think she just didn't understand it. She was still clinging to the liberal premise to which her worldview developed. It will take a long conversation to untangle her from her premise such that she can understand the argument of the opposition.

[@thomaswestover2443]

Some parents should stop lying to their kids and telling them they’re smart 😂😂

[@PR-tq8yo]

she actually did pose a smart question. Read my other comment here if interested.

[@thomaswestover2443]

@@PR-tq8yo anyone can go to a forum and read about good questions to stump or undermine your opponent, not everyone can think deeply about a subject and all the different facets of it.

[@PR-tq8yo]

@@thomaswestover2443 I agree.. not sure what your point is though.

[@sixslinger9951]

@@PR-tq8yo I didn't hear anything that girl said that was smart.

[@rextar9961]

@@PR-tq8yo no if someone refuse to donate their loved's organs is up to them nobody own anything to anybody people must learn that if we use this way of thinking the result's will be catastrophic

[@fromnzwhoisalsohalfindien]

That lady who spoke at the end, it made me cry! God bless her and continue to heal every part of her life.

[@salocin74]

“Not having an organ donor kills you” is fundamentally flawed. The failing organ kills you. 4:22

[@ashervirin9698]

Fr everything she said was completely flawed. It would be like saying Jeff bezos not giving you all his money is the reason you can’t afford rent 😂 like nah, the option was not on the table in the first place

[@Run4Ever77]

Yep, and he was also not arguing that anyone else should be able to implant their fetus in her womb. Her womb is specifically for HER baby.

[@Call_Me_Troy]

Mandatory organ donations? WTF?

[@presidentcovfefe]

Sure sounds like a euphemism for organ harvesting lol

[@scrublordgamer9636]

Bro, mandatory being the particular word... that spooked me bad

[@tdog4240]

​@@presidentcovfefesure does

[@Jakehava]

@Call_Me_Troy, kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqK4qXVooZuBlbM

[@michaelvigil3436]

They’re my resources and I need them now!

[@septillion2501]

She has two kidneys, why is she withholding one of her kidneys from the millions of people who will die because of her refusal to donate one of her kidneys?

[@joeymathew4535]

I call for her gall bladder.

[@stephaniedeans2273]

I was gonna say that! Lol

[@rolandhawken6628]

Yeah selfish bint

[@nickright7747]

In her defence, she was talking about mandatory organ donation for people already dead.

[@PeteQuad]

Also, presumably her stance is that you don't have to do that because no one should be telling you what to do with your body.

[@buckhaa1502]

How do you even compare an organ to an actual baby?...SMH

[@slavatoin8273]

3:23 The face she makes when Michael says, “the purpose of a woman’s womb is to grow a baby” looks like she thinks it’s the stupidest shit she’s ever heard.

[@NeoFreezz]

Obviously she's not using her organ for its intended purpose. Just like how she's not using her brain

[@llkg9]

So, is she a misplaced organ of her mom's body, giving her MOM autonomy over her body?

[@78tag]

They never think their ideas through to the end result - only to the result they are after.

[@twiggystardust9573]

Yep. That's what she said. 🤷‍♀

[@keensoundguy6637]

Tell her, "Your mom just called, she wants to have a never-too-late abortion of you. Step right this way..."

[@Fragmented1436]

This is exactly the point I give and they never get it.

[@mgancarzjr]

Her argument is that the mother's womb is her own organ, and that the government doesn't have the right to force a woman to use her organ to sustain another person's life if your position is absolute bodily autonomy.

[@kayemleo87]

If a person dies because of organ failure and had no available donor, who murdered them? No one. If an unborn baby dies because their umbilical cord was cut, who murdered the baby? The mother and/or doctor.

[@bogartmotomoto8222]

Yah

[@graveyj2000]

ACtually, that is a pretty damn good argument-much better that what Michael was coming up with, for sure. He is RIGHT, he just didn't do a great job of explaining why, in this case-it's tough when you are up in front of an audience.

[@carlostejada1479]

if the baby would be part of you, an abortion would be very PAINFULL. it's not. it's only very painfull for the baby that gets cut into pieces. this modern women have no soul. No organs of any women, gets destroyed or damage after a pregnancy. the function of the womb is to give life a baby.

[@richardbarham2340]

Whoever cut the cord.

[@spencerd8504]

@@graveyj2000 I think his beginning argument was good and on point but when he responded to her later that confused her a lot. He could have just explained the responsibility concept by simply saying mothers & fathers have an obligation to protect their little children. Child negligence is already considered a crime in almost all civilized society. Meaning a mother's womb is for the purpose of pregnancy and child born in it has the right to use it.

[@OldSchool1947]

HOW can Michael stand there with such colossal patience and build a cogent argument so perfectly. He has a gift from God that he has honed to perfection! I’m so glad he speaks for us!

[@ryleighloughty3307]

It's disheartening that so many young people feel the government should be in charge of everything.

[@PeteQuad]

This is the important point that everyone glosses over.

[@culturalobserver8721]

The baby is a SEPARATE HUMAN BEING! One’s organs will never live on their own and grew separately from the mother like an unborn baby will ! Michael, you have A LOT of PATIENCE to put up with such willful ignorance. Wow…

[@Winterbaby1977]

I think the organ she was referring to was her uterus. She doesn’t think the baby has a right to her uterus.

[@Raven5431]

​@Winterbaby1977 ya I don't get the logic. Otherwise you don't have the right to the baby lol.

[@djlp2212]

The problem with liberals is that they're so full of hate and anger.

[@ethandenton3393]

It's the only way to change minds.

[@djlp2212]

@@ethandenton3393 I doubt it, their minds are so closed.

[@donnadaniel5385]

The gal at the end, what a testimony! Praise the Lord❤

[@eveoakley6270]

Absolutely. She such an uplifting soul 🙏

[@user-lr1ty2nr1g]

Thank God I listened till the end coz the second speaker makes up for tantrums. The second speaker was heartwarming and uplifting and may God bless her and keep her safe always.

[@Corato4535]

Amen

[@riot768]

The second woman is so brave to tell her story in such a public forum it should be respected, and the story should be shared to help young women not make choices they have to live with for the rest of their lives.

[@andrewgoodman4367]

The second woman, the older lady, was just magnificent. My God always be by her side.

[@peterburman5193]

She got so excited like she had a "gotcha." These pro choice folks aren't the sharpest tools in the shed

[@ghost9-9ghost]

She didn't come to debate...she came to get laid.

[@hailey7596]

I delivered my daugher at 33 weeks gestation. I spent a lot of time in that NICU caring for her surrounded by babies some of which were born much earlier and smaller than my own. I hear their cries, saw their live vitals on theor monitors, witnessed their loved ones prayers, that alone was proof enough that life is life no matter how small.

[@MN49328]

Amen life isn't valuable because the women wants the baby or not we are valued because we have a creator who knew us before we were born.

[@johnschuh8616]

One of my grand daughers was born at 30 weeks, the other at 33 weeks. The difference in APPEARANCE was starling! But of course not much as the starling difference between a fertilized human egg and the little being two weeks later. A woman I know who had different knowledge than I used the term “miraculous”. The amount of information contained in the unfertilized egg and the triggering sperm, is far greater than that contained in the greatest commuter we have every built, but WE still, dispite what we know about eh genome, still do know HOW great. But also we do not know nearly enough about how the little body reacts with the woman’s body. Life interacting with life. Living person with living person.

[@glenmacnicol7825]

Speaking as someone who could not have children, I find I've become more disgusted by the social view that sex is entertainment (as opposed to a resting place in marriage) and the sport must be free of consequences. The issue of rape, incest or danger to the life of the mother are separate to the main argument and are a decision between the parent(s) and their doctor. Setting those aside, this leaves economic, social and self interest as the motives for an abortion. This young women, who walked away exhibited body language that revealed she was not listening. So she didn't comprehend that Matt was clarifying and providing the logic of his argument. A shame, as she is too young to have lived the consequences of her actions. In fact her most current regret may be asking Matt a question. Control and autonomy over one's body is all well and good, but if you can't CONTROL yourself, such as keeping your knees together, effectively enough for what is an ephemeral experience, you have no right to debate the argument. There are no accidental pregnancies. Pregnancy is the direct result of cause and effect. However if you engage in sexual intercourse without birth control and don't become pregnant, THAT is an accident. I am older than the last woman who stood up, and like her I have some regrets, but throwing away a child is thankfully not one. I was too busy I'm my 30s to think of children. However, my 40s and 50s were filled with an acute sorrow for a child I would never have. (adoption was set aside to care for a sibling) I can only say to young women, respect yourself. Sex is not power, nor will it fulfill self worth. Never think you will always have time later...because you won't. That child you choose to abort may be the only opportunity to be a mother you will have, and in 68 years of life, every woman I've known who aborted a child lived with questions and regret.

[@Maloma12]

@@glenmacnicol7825 Finally, another person who sees, understands, and explains cause and effect. Thank you. There are observable laws in the universe, or else there'd be no Science (the study of hypothesis, observation, and theory--NOT conclusion--but even Science has its limitations). You have hit the nail on the head when you say that not becoming pregnancy is the "accident". Why isn't this understood / told / taught? But in today's mindset, people think that sexual activity is a right, not an expression of life-long commitment to another person that most likely will result in pregnancy and a child (another 20 years of dependancy and a lifetime of love and connection). I, too, have not had children, but my previous statement is crystal clear to me. 🌿M

[@ericlopez7120]

That last woman's story brought me to tears.

[@rocsaltjohn]

Love it. Her argument was not logical and got upset because she knew it but wouldn't admit it. A baby isn't an organ.

[@tomleech9753]

I just want to hug that second lady so much. :)

[@annawehmeyer]

Respect to the woman at the end there for her raw honesty. You should definitely have her on or something.

[@controlclerk]

"Logic was entirely unrelated to what I was saying in the first place." Well said. Lol

[@nfnlord1]

She does not even know who she is talking to. .

[@politics4816]

The "context" that KZbin added was very interesting. They give 3 different names for abortion, but don't include the 4th one that Knowles talks about: "murder".

[@notyou9743]

Says it all. No need for euphemisms

[@cinny.]

They say it's part of their own body yet you can feel it kicking you involuntarily

[@Fromer23]

You got context? I didn’t get one

[@carolphillips8802]

Pre-natal infanticide.

[@annahenderson2155]

Yes! I hate how KZbin has to put their whitewashed description on all pro-life videos. They will not admit the truth, nor will they let anyone mull over the pro-life views.

[@Ham_soup]

“Logic is completely unrelated to what I was saying in the first place” 💀

[@SpeedyGoneFroglegs]

It's the only thing she said that made a lick of sense.

[@eleventy9x330]

And we all knew that already 😂

[@mordecaimosco876]

Oh my goodness I thought only I heard that😂😂😂

[@dreymak4071]

Yeah, back there, I wouldn't call that a debate, it felt more like a intellectual slaughter.

[@lorrieprothero2175]

I heard that one. That was funny

[@Cre8tvMG]

Ton of respect for that second lady. The first one by comparison was so sad, trying hard to defend her evil. The second one has reconciled and is healing.

[@chngdbygrace]

In addition to Michael's argument... a woman has bodily autonomy, that autonomy ends at her body... Like Michael said every organ is known for its function, the function of a uterus is conception, pregnancy and birth of another human being. If she feels that becoming pregnant is a loss of her bodily autonomy then she might want to reconsider actions that lead to procreation. Before a child can be conceived there is an exercise of bodily autonomy made to engage in sex, once that decision is made whether the full weight of the consequences of those actions is realized there is created the potential that you will become responsible for a life that is not "you"/yours. Arguments concerning rape are a different line of reasoning that are related to autonomy but was not what was being used by this young woman, at least not in this exchange. Her argument did not presuppose the woman was raped, just that a woman not being able to kill her unborn child was a loss of autonomy. It is also interesting to note that she wants to equate a cadaver to a living child. One is a body the other is a living being with a body.

[@stevek917]

I don't think these people know Sex and Pregnancy are related. They see pregnancy as some kind of curse or punishment. Like a cancer to be removed.

[@kaijukebox]

Please interview the second lady formally.

[@limescaleonetwo3131]

She's certainly got a meaningful story to tell

[@78tag]

You are right, that would make for a great separate episode.

[@pattyhansen7563]

hers was a more articulate & moving story than the first girl that could not get her mental gears working enough to keep up with Matt, Oh I mean Michael,

[@StephanieBogart]

Agree. She was amazing!

[@adampindell]

She said "I am a murdered" 😢 she knows the true weight of what she has done...

[@rossfelton1955]

When women like this debate, it seriously harms the concept of women being so much smarter than men.

[@yaseminturkoglu6748]

Both men and women are equally intelligent

[@TitusAndromadon]

​@@yaseminturkoglu6748 and equally unintelligent

[@el_killorcure]

​@@yaseminturkoglu6748Not really. Women are more EMOTIONALLY intelligent, and nen are more RATIONALLY intelligent, by simple fact of hormones.

[@yaseminturkoglu6748]

@@el_killorcure Yes that's what I meant, we're intelligent in different ways 😊

[@Ana_1980]

I've never heard of the concept of either sex being smarter than the other. I've met enough intelligent and not intelligent people in my life. Nothing to do with sex.

[@Fought4Freedom]

As a former three-year-old, I can understand her childish-like tantrum.

[@Customgirl123]

7.25 - God bless you dear woman. The softness in your voice when you mentioned those words..Grief, Shame. It has flooded the soul ..Regret. ...Blessing to you

[@rusharnmal7425]

The reason for organ donation to be voluntary is that a for-profit hospital might be inclined to let you die to profit off your death.

[@realMal1c3]

If you believe that's just a problem on the private side, you're deluded.

[@moshco23]

You'd think everyone will have common knowledge, but no...

[@mbscar]

Wrong, that is not the reason. Your point has validity. Fare enough, some evil people would likely do that. But the rational for not letting the government own your body and take from it when they please, is philosophical and far deeper than merely stopping an instance of abuse. This is in the realm of God given rights or maybe you think of it as natural rights. Things you’re born with and entitled to as a human being. It supersedes government power. The government has no right to legislate the means of my body. We are not supposed to be property of the government. This does not contradict being pro life either. A mother purposely killing her own child is wrong, it violates natural law. It disregards human dignity

[@78tag]

@@realMal1c3 Absolutely - it could actually be worse on the other side.

[@timopper5488]

“Brain death” Is a medical fiction created to cause families to allow their loved ones to be killed in order to harvest the LIVING organs.

[@devindaniels1379]

Even if you grant her premise, for organ donation, you did not put them in the position of needing your organs.

[@annakelly7333]

Right. It's more like inviting someone into your house and then 💀ing them for being there.

[@CdrRogdan]

Indeed, I use this argument all the time, but unfortunately it goes right over their head, and they either claim that they weren't responsible for it, because they used birth control, or that placing someone in the position the demands you provide your organs doesn't create a moral obligation to do so. The reality is that reducing the chance of something happening, doesn't remove your responsibility, should it necessarily happen, and it is more than just a moral obligation, it is a legal one (I'd use the analogy I often do for this, but I'm pretty sure it would get deleted).

[@devindaniels1379]

The analogy I use was presented to me as a pro-choice argument. If you are at fault in a car accident and the other person needs your organs to live. They try to claim that they still don't have a right to your organs but clearly didn't think it through. If you don't provide the organs, you are guilty of manslaughter and you wouldn't be had you provided them. So you're right, it doesn't matter if you did something to drive a little safer if the accident still happened.

[@korradog8714]

I want to give that woman with the white hair a hug!! Her testimony touched my heart. God bless her!

[@CesarFStoll]

She was not debating, only imposing.

[@sol-hunter2332]

If you have to dehumanize a human to justify or rationalize your behavior... you might want to reflect. The baby, even the early days of a fetus is a new human being separate from both the father and the mother.

[@tdog4240]

Yet they create laws that say you can be fined or jailed if you damage or kill a sea turtle in an egg.

[@78tag]

REFLECT !! - that is asking way too much of them. They probably have a hard time even looking at their own reflection in the mirror - they know down deep they are wrong.

[@benperry4336]

Not being an organ donor is a choice, being forced to would be immoral. She's arguing that innaction is murder while Michael is arguing that the act specifically engineered to kill a baby, abortion, is itself murder.

[@78tag]

I get what you are saying but I think the "choice" comes down more to deciding TO BE a donor. Choosing not to be infers an obligation to do it.

[@benperry4336]

​@@78tagI mean yes, but my main point is that we can't call NOT being an organ donor murder because not all organs that are donated are even usable, it's just got potential to save a life. In contrast, abortion is an active choice that always results in the death of a human life.

[@shawnsiess1791]

​​@benperry4336 "abortion is an active choice that will always results in the death of a human life." Thank you. I would really like to meet the person who termed an abortion as" a procedure that terminates a pregnancy." That very definition was designed to confuse things. By that definition a natural birth would be an abortion. We both know that's not what is. Neither are procedures meant to save the mother from a pregnancy doomed to failure, that can or will result in her death or disfigurement. The procedures used, try to save both while ering on the side of caution for the mother. Except the methods used in ectopic pregnancies. Those simply cannot be saved and only harm or worse will come to the mother. Of course abortion clinics don't do those procedures.

[@canaldomimimi3906]

She’s like Natalie Portman in South Park, “Hummm…so” “Hummm…aha” 😂😂😂😂

[@_GandalfTheGrey_]

Yall she actually prepared this. She had ample time to prepare this myopic train of thought and couldn’t even withstand the first rebuttal 😂

[@stevek917]

She had her whole argument written out on her phone. I'm sure she showed it to all her Leftist friends who proceeded to praise her genius, telling her how brilliant she is and how she's got him now. How that evil Michael Knowles is going down. But of course epic fail.

[@carolphillips8802]

Nobody else has a right to my organs. However, my babies had a right to be nourished in my uterus until they were able to be born.

[@StephanieK-qt4mx]

Yes. Parents have an obligation to care for their children, starting with being allowed to grow in the uterus. The problem with her argument is that it equates the baby with some random person who wants to steal my organs. The mother-child relationship is a little more meaningful than that.

[@dreymak4071]

@@StephanieK-qt4mx "a little" is an understatment.

[@ld.j4391]

Still, not donating your organs when they’re getting cremated or buried nonetheless, is selfish. Seeing little kids die because there are too little donors is so sad

[@dreymak4071]

@@ld.j4391 And killing a baby in the womb simply for your own convenience isn't selfish? Something people aren't addressing here is refusing to donate organs and abortion are not the same thing. Refusing to donate your organs doesn't actively hurt people since the ones that need new organs are no worse off now than they were before. Aborting a baby is ending a life, you are worsening the integrity of a life actively, when instead you can just leave it alone. Not doing something isn't morally one way or the other, however willfully partaking in the action of murder, is evil.

[@michaelkendall662]

@@StephanieK-qt4mx Children are a gift and a blessing....we get to nurture and educate them for such a short period of their lives.....hopefully, with God's help we can make a difference

[@erinabalerina]

She knows that organs need to be harvested from a live person right? Tell me you know NOTHING about organ donation without telling me. I mean people really need to do a little more investigating into what organ donation and reception actually entails😂

[@RS54321]

Not necessarily-this is why people sign organ donor cards, so their organs (e.g., eyes) can be removed and donated after they've died.

[@TheKatarinaGiselle]

For real!

[@TheKatarinaGiselle]

@@RS54321thats not how it works. They harvest them while they are still alive or being kept alive.

[@pmc2999]

​@@TheKatarinaGiselleas a nurse who made the calls to the organ bank after patients died I can assure they were indeed dead. Certain parts such as corneas, skin grafts and bone can be removed up to so many hours after death.

[@joshq00]

She felt she was bringing the heat. Killing babies is never right. It's easy to pick which side you're on.

[@taigenraine]

What you say to someone making this argument is "Is it ok for someone to stop feeding their 2 year old? It's just withholding resources right?"

[@chrismcaulay7805]

That is the next step after Abortion is fully accepted...

[@oliviamizzi33]

Wow, this took a 180 turn. She seemed like a nice Woman who was there to have a civil debate. Unfortunate how immature she acted at the end. Side note, can we all agree that Michael is an amazing public speaker? He's funny, he's kind,and full of knowledge.

[@jaysonthespasian2563]

"It's my Body! MY CHOICE!!!" Okay. So, you should've learned basic anatomy on how pregnancy occurs. So, it WAS, IS, your choice. But you decided to play dumb.

[@darkangel10001000]

Right? They all of a sudden don't know how kids are made

[@NancyFlores-wl2en]

Your body, your choice!! Keep your legs closed!! So you don't get pregnant!! See how easy that is!!

[@user-jc8rz2jj9r]

Give it up lady. She walked away because she had NO INTELLIGENT response!

[@ObjectOfMercy]

The following lady was refreshing!! Praise be to the only One who redeems!

[@michaelmoslak2975]

Oh Lord, He will NEVER be able to get through to her the difference between an organ and a piano!!

[@nr63kish]

I want to meet that lady who came at the end. 100% honest, her testimony and life story hit home. I'm a flawed man, and to hear her story of redemption brings me hope.

[@firsteleven7714]

What a sad and broken young woman. We need to pray for her.

[@conservativefather5446]

The second woman really inspired me. I had many years sober and like before, I drank again. I got the help I finally needed and am in my second month of treatment. God has blessed me with another chance at chance. I’m 39, and I won’t ever drink again.

[@christopherfleming7505]

Michael should invite the second lady on his show. I want to hear her story.

[@justtagurl]

Thanks for all you do, Matt!

[@steves1584]

That second lady. Man there's some wisdom. She's worth talking to.

[@waldo_s]

Man! My heart broke for that last lady.

[@Jeremiah_Johnson139]

"I can't defend my position with the liberal nonsense my professors brainwashed me with, so I'm going to storm off and throw a tempert-tantrum."

[@pattyhansen7563]

and stare at my phone uselessly while trying to debate a highly intelligent, armed-with-facts man LOL

[@Jeremiah_Johnson139]

@@pattyhansen7563 Every time I hear one of these dimwits say 'Charlie's face is too small for his head' i suddenly picture a 3-year-old screaming "STUPID-HEAD!" Give them a juice-box and send them away sniffing. 😄

[@abcdestuvw4234]

God bless that last woman -

[@whatup8107]

Another "strong" woman runs away yelling and emotional. Well done Michael.

[@eries77]

She was so nervous for one but also definitely not worth listening to either. She was so sure to make her point she basically blinded herself to any reasonable thought.

[@wovfm]

The response of the woman versus the child was classic example of what it is to grow-up. Bless the woman who had the courage to admit her failings. As for the little brat, life will teach her some valuable lessons.

[@GregZentTrumpetMan]

Like I said 100 times, maybe let women who have had abortions decide if it is acceptable? That’s right, because the overwhelming majority say it was the biggest mistake of their lives.

[@teresai7314]

There’s so much hate in pro abortion people when they say “fetus”

[@mathewrowley8894]

That’s because if you support abortion there is no room for love in you.

[@kapitan19969838]

So much ignorance too. They don't even know the meaning of the word 😂

[@mathewrowley8894]

That’s because when you like murdering babies there is no room for love in you. Nothing but hate

[@johnbr59]

they are directly Satanic

[@beckyc3127]

liberals have made the word fetus mean not a baby, but it really is the medical term for a pre-born baby.

[@MBTexas196]

There is an obvious difference in morality between the first and second lady

[@victorstein24]

You have no obligation to donate organs. You have an obligation to your family.

[@KEWLV1C]

“You didn’t fall for my ‘gotcha’ question and now I’m gonna throw a tamptrum!”

[@shellbell6675]

She apparently is confused beyond compare...she has absolutely no logic

[@el_killorcure]

She is a woman...

[@kevinpinball]

The second person there. Wow. I got tears. Beautiful.

[@fries2977]

I admire Michael for being patient and choosing kind words for stupid people

[@DAVID-io9nj]

Invalid analogy. They always refuse to acknowledge that the baby in the womb is a human.

[@maxmandudi2902]

Then what species is it?

[@stevek917]

If they acknowledge it's human then their whole Pro-Choice argument falls apart.

[@theevermind]

They also refuse to acknowledge that a woman has responsibilities, even if they seem unfair. A father must pay child support regardless of whether he consented to sex or having the child. Women who are pro-abortion often support forced support from fathers, but reject an equivalent "forced support" from mothers.

[@theevermind]

@@stevek917 "Clump of cells" = "Not really human" "Not really human" is what supporters of slavery, the holocaust, and abortion all have in common.

[@georgewagner7787]

​@@maxmandudi2902 what species? Are you kidding? Did you take HS biology?

[@davidjr3769]

I wouldn’t consider Organs as a resource…

[@MarkJoseph81]

Compared to a baby?

[@notyou9743]

Well that’s stupid

[@drawingdragon]

By this logic, if you have food and you are not coerced to give it to someone starving in another country, you are guilty of murder. It's absurdity to compare intentional taking of life to not actively going out of your way to solve another person's misfortune.

[@reggie085]

Simple answer. If there's a baby in your uterus, it's your baby. You are a mother/parent. Parents have a duty to provide for their children and cutting the umbilical cord is failing to provide resources to your child which is at best child neglect and at worst murder

[@DavidBenner-cy4zl]

She is a child in a big person's body. All I know is Soylent Green is People.

[@seekeroftruth9200]

She had it all planned out, she knew that IF Michael would accept her framing she had him, BUT Michael didn’t accept her concept of Organs being commodities and therefore her reasoning went out the window, the moment she realised that her body started to physically shake and you can see her grasping at straws, when she lost the argument she stormed off It’s like someone wants to play checkers with you but you instead play chess and when they realise they can’t beat you at chess they topple the board and leave

[@roselynn3066]

Please interview that last lady!! I guarantee she has an amazing testimony 🙏

[@uNkLeRaRa4]

"I AM a murderer" - That's a hard truth for a woman to admit. That takes courage to understand and say truthfully.

[@byCleave]

“You can either change your behavior, or you can change your opinions.” Beautifully said🔥🙏

[@GrinderMagee]

It sure is a good thing that KZbin put abortion in context for me to let me know that an abortion is not killing a person. It’s just ending a pregnancy thanks KZbin.

[@Shadylady4181]

No, abortion kills a living human whether you choose to believe it or not

[@aperson9847]

Notice how they don't ever define "pregnancy" either.

[@sapphireblue222]

I have concluded that only demonically possessed people work for KZbin.

[@mr.s9783]

“Abortion isn’t murder, it just destroys a human being.”

[@danielmuilenburg5363]

Matt had better bring this up on his show in the next couple of days😂😂😂

[@ghost9-9ghost]

Without the beard. Matt's voice is so different...

[@jshpaint]

With respect, I think Micheal misunderstood the young woman’s comment about organ donation. She was making the argument that a woman should not be under the obligation to allow a baby to impose on her body/organs to sustain its life. This is a ridiculous argument nonetheless. When a woman uses her “organs” to conceive that baby she participates in creating a life that is dependent on her body for survival. To create a situation in which another human being’s life is dependent on our organs or actions and then withhold those resources is not comparable to being expected to donate one organs to a person who’s threatened mortality was not caused by our actions. If one were a skydiving instructor and invites clients to jump from planes under one’s supervision than that instructor has created a situation in which the client is dependent on him for her survival, therefore this instructor is morally obligated to sacrifice his body to protect the life of his client. By contrast, If I am sitting in a plane and a stranger unexpectedly open the plane door and jumps, I am under no moral obligation to sacrifice my life/body to save that person, just as I am under no moral obligation to donate my organs to someone who’s situation I did not cause. I am morally obligated to allow use of my “organs” to the helpless child who, through my action, I placed in a condition of complete dependence on me for survival. In my opinion the man has also participated in the act of creating a helpless, dependent child so he is under the moral obligation to protect, house and feed that child until adulthood or further even to the degree that he sacrifice his own life to protect the life of that child, if the situation should arise. For a man to walk away from a woman and the child that he co-created is arguably as immoral an abortion.

[@jerrybrickley2115]

Another "genius" who needs to read everything from her phone, even when there is nothing there to read.

[@stevek917]

She had her whole argument written out on her phone. I'm sure she showed it to all her Leftist friends who proceeded to praise her genius, telling her how brilliant she is and how she's got him now. How that evil Michael Knowles is going down. But of course epic fail.

[@Keverember]

Beautiful testimony at the end. Thankful that she has found the forgiveness and peace that only Jesus can offer!

[@b5maddog]

She really really needed her phone 😂

[@stevek917]

I'm sure she had her whole argument written out on her phone. I'm sure she showed it to all her Leftist friends who proceeded to praise her genius, telling her how brilliant she is and how she's got him now. How that evil Michael Knowles is going down. But of course epic fail.

[@bluthomas7201]

I like how she doesn't listen to any of his answers...so very... ♀️ Of her

[@mortuaryartist4390]

Organ donors are technically still alive

[@captaindanger13]

partially

[@Su-Jo]

Yes they are! The doctors don't even give pain medications or put you out because the meds affect the organ they want. They literally cut you open and take the organ while your conscious!!! So nah, NOT an organ donor nor do I want someone else's organs.

[@michielderuyter5714]

yes, but unfortunately many people can't fathom this. the second you die they can't use your organs. here in the Netherlands a liberal party forced us to register as a donor or not donor. if you were late with your registration or you simply didn't care, or you didn't know about this new law the government automatically register you as a donor. luckily you can always make changes but many people ignore this.

[@78tag]

@@captaindanger13 What this girl is not looking at is the real fact that this isn't just about "taking" an organ from you when you are dead. Don't put it past the "system" to pre-suppose your death and take your organ that the system deems critical before you are actually dead or maybe just not give you the chance to not die. Don't think it hasn't happened - $$$$$ buys many things if the right person is selling. Make organ donations mandatory and you will have greedy transplant surgeons in ambulances on their way to accidents with critically injured people involved - Oh, well he was going to die anyway, lets take his eyes, I have someone ready to buy them right now.

[@tanyarobinson1146]

If they are brain dead they can't sign consent.

[@milo_thatch_incarnate]

He's so endlessly calm, polite, good-humored, and charming, no matter HOW many times he has to answer the SAME QUESTIONS. 😂 One of the perks of being a father.

[@jenniferbowie2773]

Organ donation doesn’t usually kill anyone! If you chose to donate your organs you would die anyway! Without an abortion the baby wouldn’t die anyway!

[@AzariahWolf]

This is actually an opportunity: if we agree to make organ donation mandatory, do we get to ban all abortions? Bring it on!

[@davidjr3769]

6:34 I don’t like your answers so I’m going to run away… such an immature way to handle it.

[@notyou9743]

She should be deprogrammed