DIFFERENTIATING a CONTINUED FRACTION?!

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Michael Penn

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"I suppose you think you're clever, don't you? Do you think I'm some kind of senseless fool!? You think I will take a deal that gives me a continued fractional amount of cheese and bread? You're out of your talc my good sir!" and with that, Baron von Grumble Guss stormed out of Chalk's Cheese and Bread Warehouse Emporium Outlet Mall Brokerage and Post Office empty handed. Chalk was stunned. All he said was that anyone who watches this video all the way through and comments "Baron von Grumble Guss watches me sleep, what a creep!" will receive good vibes from the universe.
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@frankwilhoit
@frankwilhoit Жыл бұрын
Continued fractions never have a good place to stop.
@GeoffryGifari
@GeoffryGifari Жыл бұрын
what's next? a continued fraction *of derivatives ?*
@MichaelPennMath
@MichaelPennMath Жыл бұрын
I’ll run that by him. (Tone: Serious) could be interesting! -Stephanie MP Editor
@ayrthhhn
@ayrthhhn Жыл бұрын
a continued fraction of continued fractions of derivatives
@goodplacetostop2973
@goodplacetostop2973 Жыл бұрын
4:06 Homework 11:37 Good Place To Stop
@coaldustmarauder2071
@coaldustmarauder2071 Жыл бұрын
I don't claim to have much background in math. Please point out any logical or mathematical errors in this Working it out, I believe this same solution method works in the generalized problem, assuming the continued fraction is of the specific form given in the video Following the steps in the video Let y be the continued fraction a(x)/(b(x)+y) then cross multiply to get y(b(x)+y)=a(x) yb(x)+y^2=a(x) Complete the square to get y^2+yb(x)+1/4b(x)^2=a(x)+1/4b(x)^2 (y+1/2b(x))^2=a(x)+1/4b(x)^2 To simplify my typing let g(x)=a(x)+1/4b(x)^2 y+1/2b(x)=+-sqrt(g(x)) y=-1/2b(x)+-sqrt(g(x)) For sanity checking, lets make sure this lines up with the video so far a(x) = 1 b(x) = 2x, -1/2b(x) = -x g(x) = 1 + 1/4(2x)^2 = 1 + 1/4*4x^2 = 1 + x^2 Here, the video has y = -x+=sqrt(1+x^2), so this lines up Continuing, Take y+ and y- as in the video, y+=-1/2b(x)+sqrt(g(x)) y-=-1/2b(x)-sqrt(g(x)) To take the derivatives, we need these g'(x) = a'(x)+1/2b(x)b'(x) d/dx (sqrt(g(x)) = 1/2g'(x)/sqrt(g(x)) In the video we get g'(x) = 0 + 1/2*2x*2 = 2x d/dx(sqrt(g'(x)) = x/sqrt(1+x^2), so this lines up as well Next, we take the derivatives of y+ and y- y'+ = -1/2b'(x)+1/2g'(x)/sqrt(g(x)) y'- = -1/2b'(x)-1/2g'(x)/sqrt(g(x)) From there, we solve (y'-y'+)(y-'y'-) = 0 y'^2-(y'+ + y'-)y' + (y'+)(y'-) = 0 y'^2+b'(x)y'+(1/4b'(x)^2-1/4g'(x)^2/g(x)) = 0 That last one is a bit complicated, so lets cross check b'(x)y' = 2y', good 1/4b'(x)^2-1/4g'(x)^2/g(x) = 1/4(2)^2-1/4(2x)^2/(1+x^2) = 1 - x ^ 2/(1+x^2). Note that the order of the terms in the video are reversed, but that is because they are subtracted instead of added. This is equivalent to the video let u(x) = -(1/4b'(x)^2-1/4g'(x)^2/g(x)) Then y'^2+b'(x)y'=u(x) y'(y'+b'(x))=u(x) y'=u(x)/(b'(x)+y') The same repeated fraction as in the video In conclusion, It wasn't a concidence that 2 appeared in the denominator, because 2 = b'(x), when b(x)=2x. The numerator is a bit more complicated but it does have a closed form if my math is correct EDIT: Of course, this assumes differentiability of a(x) and b(x), and that g(x) is not 0
@manucitomx
@manucitomx Жыл бұрын
I’ve never quite gotten my head around continued fractions. Thank you, professor.
@get2113
@get2113 Жыл бұрын
Me neither. I was able to do a career in statistics, econometrics, and finance without those things.
@fabiopilnik827
@fabiopilnik827 Жыл бұрын
@@get2113 e has a continued fraction expansion - but I have no idea what is the continued fraction expansion of eˆ2 eˆ3 etc. Other irrational numbers have continued fraction expansion. It can be a way of saying the irrational number is approximately rational.
@eytansuchard8640
@eytansuchard8640 Жыл бұрын
The correct way to understand continued fraction is to reduce it to a finite recursive term. Sometimes the recursion appears after more than one iteration, e.g. a continued fraction can appear with first numerator different than the rest. In such a case, you need to manipulate the continued fraction to become a recursive term.
@jagatiello6900
@jagatiello6900 Жыл бұрын
Check out chapter 4 of Goldman's book The queen of mathematics.
@get2113
@get2113 Жыл бұрын
@Fabio Pilnik The irrationals are by construction the limits of sequences of rationals, and thereby perforce approximately rational. I find this discussion interesting. Cheers.
@jgilferez
@jgilferez Жыл бұрын
Maybe we can gain some perspective using implicit differentiation: y = 1/(2x+y) => (2x+y)y = 1 => y + (y+x)y' = 0 => y' = -1/(1+ x/y), from where we obtain a continued fraction expression for y' in terms of the continued fraction expression for y. Following a similar argument with y = 1/(z + y), where z = z(x), we would obtain y' = -z'/(2+z/y).
@adandap
@adandap Жыл бұрын
Ah, good. I came here to say this but now I don't have to type it! One thing that puzzles me is that when you do that there doesn't seem to be any sign of the sqrt(x^2+1). There seems to be at least two different continued fraction expressions for y'
@pyropulseIXXI
@pyropulseIXXI Жыл бұрын
That is what I did; I used implicit differentiation
@pyropulseIXXI
@pyropulseIXXI Жыл бұрын
If y = 1 / (2x + y), then y' = - y / (x + y) = -1/ ( (x/y) +1 ), where y = 1/(2x+1/(2x+1/(2x+1/(2x+...
@paulkohl9267
@paulkohl9267 Жыл бұрын
Had same idea but I think there is a missing 2 factor of x in your formula. (2x+y)y = 1, implic. diff. y' (2x + y) + y (2 + y') = 0. Sub in (2x + y), y' / y + 2y + y y' = 0 implies, y' (1/y + y) = -2y, y' = -2y^2 / (1 + y^2). Plug in continued fraction (or quadratic) for y in terms of x. voila
@jgilferez
@jgilferez Жыл бұрын
@@paulkohl9267 Hi, if you are referring to my third equation, I believe it is correct. After implicit differentiation, distribute the products over the sums. Putting together like terms, one sees that 2 is a common factor of all them, so we can divide by it, and take y' as a common factor of y and x.
@ruferd
@ruferd Жыл бұрын
Absolute yes for a playlist of Galois theory. Also, these video descriptions are on another level. Absolutely masterful.
@michaelguenther7105
@michaelguenther7105 Жыл бұрын
Just use implicit differentiation on y^2 + 2xy = 1.
@akshatjain2775
@akshatjain2775 Жыл бұрын
The editing is superb!
@CglravgHRjsksgS
@CglravgHRjsksgS Жыл бұрын
The thumbnail is all the money 🔥🔥🔥
@ImaPilotC
@ImaPilotC Жыл бұрын
To find a generic way to write the derivative as a continued fraction, you can use the same technique as the video, substituting 2x = g(x) (i.e., f(x) = 1/(g(x)+1/(g(x)+...)) = 1/(g(x)+f(x)). This gives f'(x) = u(x) / (g'(x) + u(x)/(g'(x)+...)), where u(x) = - g'(x)^2 / (g(x)^2 + 4). You can verify this leads to the same solution for g(x) = 2x.
@opfromthestart3645
@opfromthestart3645 Жыл бұрын
I got something different for u, u=g'^2*g^2/(4g^2+16)-g'^2/4, which also gets the correct answer with g=2x
@opfromthestart3645
@opfromthestart3645 Жыл бұрын
Nevermind it is equivalent
@GeoffryGifari
@GeoffryGifari Жыл бұрын
what kinds of functions can we expand in this way? is it always possible to find a continued fraction expansion?
@SurajSingh-nx7yj
@SurajSingh-nx7yj Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir 🙏
@pointlesssentience3987
@pointlesssentience3987 Жыл бұрын
In the general case, I’d try to represent the partial continued fraction as a partial sum (via Euler’s identity on continued fractions) and prove uniform convergence of the partial sums on some closed interval. Then after differentiating Termwise, perhaps there will be some closed form after simplifying the sum…
@josehurtado4929
@josehurtado4929 Жыл бұрын
Could it be solve by just derivate both sides of the expretion written in 0:55 with the chain rule an solve for y’ ?
@wiseSYW
@wiseSYW Жыл бұрын
plotting Y=1/(2X+Y) in Desmos is pretty cool. looks like a rotated hyperbola
@КириллЙошкин
@КириллЙошкин Жыл бұрын
It is a rotated hyperbola exactly. We can transform the equation to (y+x)² - x² = 1 which is standart hyperbola equation in coordinates x + y and x
@JonAndKatyAnderson
@JonAndKatyAnderson Жыл бұрын
Id be interested in seeing the derivation of a general form for the derivative of a continued fraction, where 2x is replaced with a polynomial of degree n.
@Jason-ot6jv
@Jason-ot6jv Жыл бұрын
great video, love your videos!!!
@ScouseRobert
@ScouseRobert Жыл бұрын
Upcoming MathMajor courses on Lie Algebras and Galois Theory. I'm psyched! 😀👍🏼
@mtaur4113
@mtaur4113 Жыл бұрын
Since f(x)*(bx+f(x)) = a, we can differentiate both sides and maybe stuff happens. Can't really try right now though.
@spicymickfool
@spicymickfool Жыл бұрын
Thats the continued fraction for sqrt(x^2+1)-x, so the derivative would be x/sqrt(x^2+1)-1. Generally sqrt(x+a)=sqrt(x)+a/(2sqrt(x)+a/(2sqrt(x)+a/...) as a continued fraction. Interestingly, this method is essnentially the Babylonian root finding algorithm in disguise.
@thomasdalton1508
@thomasdalton1508 Жыл бұрын
He said that, but you missed the ± that causes problems.
@maxvangulik1988
@maxvangulik1988 Жыл бұрын
essnentially
@thejuliomario1
@thejuliomario1 Жыл бұрын
Baron von Grumble Guss watches me sleep, what a creep!
@pacolibre5411
@pacolibre5411 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, but is anyone else a little sad that we didn't see an infinite iterated chain rule application?
@sujitsivadanam
@sujitsivadanam Жыл бұрын
Interestingly, I was kinda half-expecting that.
@maxvangulik1988
@maxvangulik1988 Жыл бұрын
That would diverge due to infinite 2xs multiplying the whole thing by 2
@GeodesicBruh
@GeodesicBruh Жыл бұрын
@@maxvangulik1988 no
@GeodesicBruh
@GeodesicBruh Жыл бұрын
@@maxvangulik1988 it you take take the derivative of something well defined it should be ok 1) write out the fraction to a depth of N 2) take the derivative and use induction to produce a formula for the N case 3) let N go to infinity to recover the case in the video
@maxvangulik1988
@maxvangulik1988 Жыл бұрын
@@GeodesicBruh are you saying something would cancel out the infinite 2s?
@MrDynamite110
@MrDynamite110 Жыл бұрын
Love the videos but recently the descriptions have been *fire*. Also, Baron von Grumble Guss watches me sleep, what a creep!
@ralvarezb78
@ralvarezb78 Жыл бұрын
Hi, since y^2 +2xy = 1, we can take implicit derivative: 2yy' + 2y + 2xy' = 0 so y' = -y/(x+y) right?
@КириллЙошкин
@КириллЙошкин Жыл бұрын
How to represent y' as a continued fraction from there?
@ralvarezb78
@ralvarezb78 Жыл бұрын
​​​@@КириллЙошкин y is already continued fraction, so by direct substitution. The trick is to express - y/(x+y) as - 1/(1+x/y) then substitute ANYWAY he asks for a derivative of continued fraction which can have multiple représentations, I don't see anywhere asking for a derivative in continued fraction form.
@GeoffryGifari
@GeoffryGifari Жыл бұрын
I noticed something weird: we can write y = 1/(2x + y) , the derivative y' = u/(2 + y') with the function u = -1/(x^2 + 1) first, the pattern that keeps coming up is something/(something + something) more interestingly, the function u has x^2 in the denominator. differentiate once we get 2x (which is in y) differentiate again we get 2 (which is in y') coincidence?
@pyrotas
@pyrotas Жыл бұрын
I am not sure if I get it correct, however (at least over the field of real numbers) I would say that y_{+}(x) is equivalent to the fraction for x\geq0, y_{-}(x) is equivalent for x
@Kram1032
@Kram1032 10 ай бұрын
A fun exercise that might help a bit here is the derivative of an iterated function: f' = df/dx (f(g))' = df/dg dg/dx (f(g(h(x)))' = df/dg dg/h dh/dx ... f_(i+1)(x) = f(f_i(x)) f_0(x) = x df_n/dx = product(df_i/df_(i-1), {i, 0, n}) (I hope I made no error in the notation / this makes sense) I think it might be possible to use this to derive a more general result for any continued fraction of as simple a form as the one in the video. It might be more complicated if it didn't repeat so easily.
@hra1465
@hra1465 Жыл бұрын
Consider f as the limite of the sequence (fn) of odd functions defined on R* as: f0(x) = 0. fn+1 (x) = 1/(2x + fn). NB: This denominator can't be zero since fn and x always have the same sign. Note that f is an odd function with being positive when x>0, and a discontinuity on 0: f(0-) = - f(0+) = -1. Thus: x>0: f=y+ x
@gp-ht7ug
@gp-ht7ug Жыл бұрын
Michael, please now show us how to integrate such functions! Please
@GandalfTheWise0002
@GandalfTheWise0002 Жыл бұрын
The generalization is fairly simple (assuming I didn't overlook something). Replacing x with g(x) so that y = 1/(2g(x)+y) ends up working out much the same except that u = -g'(x)/(1+g(x)^2). The factor of 2 in front of the g(x) eliminates a bunch of factors of 1/2 and 4 floating around. The steps are pretty much identical to the derivation in the video. I'd been half expecting some ugly complication to arise.
@ssaamil
@ssaamil Жыл бұрын
Love the thumbnail hahaₕₐₕₐ...
@tieger638
@tieger638 Жыл бұрын
How can I get a chalkboard like you have?
@somename-xz2zm
@somename-xz2zm Жыл бұрын
At the intermediate step y^2 + 2xy = 1 we can do implicit differentiation to get 2yy’ + 2xy’ = 0 which leads to the bizarre result x = -y. I would like to understand what is wrong with this implicit differentiation that is leading to superfluous results?
@aricwong1906
@aricwong1906 Жыл бұрын
u did not apply the chain rule when differentiating 2xy. It should instead be 2yy’ + (2y + 2xy’) = 0
@somename-xz2zm
@somename-xz2zm Жыл бұрын
@@aricwong1906 Many thanks. So then we can continue and get a different recursion as follows, which feels much simpler than solving a quadratic equation: 2yy' + 2y + 2xy' = 0 yy' + y + xy' = 0 yy' + y + xy' + x = x y(y' + 1) + x(y' +1) = x (y' + 1)(x + y) = x y' = x/(x + y) - 1 y' = (x - x - y)/(x + y) y' = -y/(x + y) = -y/y(1 + x/y) y' = -1/(1 + x/y)
@fierydino9402
@fierydino9402 Жыл бұрын
Really interesting!
@adrienanderson7439
@adrienanderson7439 Жыл бұрын
I tried to differentiate f(x)=( 2x+f(x) )^-1 with the chain rule and after some simplification got f '(x) = -f(x)^2 * ( 2 - f '(x) ) , so a continued multiplication of squared continued fractions, also could be considered some kind of differential equation.
@byronwatkins2565
@byronwatkins2565 Жыл бұрын
If the general case is valid, then several particular cases must also work out... I would start there. Then I would try f(x) = a(x) / (b(x) + a(x) /...) I cannot imagine a more general form than this, but this will also get complicated quickly.
@БорисНазаров-х7к
@БорисНазаров-х7к Жыл бұрын
The very first question that pops in my mind is this function at least differentiable? And what happens on the border of two different domains where its closed form is different?
@robshaw2639
@robshaw2639 Жыл бұрын
I forgot to ask - was this topic inspired by something you've seen, or was it an original idea to look at differentiating a continued fraction function? Also, many thumbs up on the Galois Theory course! 👍👍 That's what I am most looking forward to... Does Randolph have summer courses? Or, is the Galois Theory course KZbin-only? Ah. maybe during summer break, you are making your own courses (along with Lie Algebras) on the channel?
@derendohoda3891
@derendohoda3891 Жыл бұрын
If the continued fraction is nice, could try to undo Euler's continued fraction formula to convert the continued fraction into a power series, then differentiate term-by-term, then re-apply it. Unfortunately this won't work in general.
@alexanderpavlov2558
@alexanderpavlov2558 Жыл бұрын
why do the derivatives at 4:02 not have 2x in the numerator
@txikitofandango
@txikitofandango Жыл бұрын
Ooh setting up (y' - y+')(y' - y-') = 0, I don't think I would've ever thought of that. I did quotient rule on y = 1/(2x + y), good enough 8)
@jacemandt
@jacemandt Жыл бұрын
Yes, I noticed this too! Is that a standard technique? If I know that either x=a or x=b, to then write that (x-a)(x-b)=0? The converse is obviously used all the time, but I don't think I've ever seen it used in that direction either.
@anthonypazo1872
@anthonypazo1872 Жыл бұрын
Let F_f(x) be defined as the continued fraction that has f(x) in place of "2x". By this exact method, we can show that F'_f(x) equals the continued fraction with u in the numerators and f'(x) + u/... in the denominators. Furthermore, u = [f'(x)]² / 4+f(x)² by this derivation. I'd love to show my work, but i don't feel like typing it out in a comment. Is there a better way to send it to you? Also, I'm not sure how to test when continued fractions like this converge or not.
@marc-andredesrosiers523
@marc-andredesrosiers523 Жыл бұрын
Would be nice to attempt this with the definitition. The fact that infinite fractions are not as thoroughly defined as limits asinfinite series blocks partly those efforts, as far as I can tell. 🙂
@sugarland1729
@sugarland1729 Жыл бұрын
It would have made the question more interesting to ask to write the derivative of f in continued fraction form whose elements are only made of simple functions (constants, x , x^2) .
@VibratorDefibrilator
@VibratorDefibrilator Жыл бұрын
I guess that last question is rhetorical, because the answer (and the approach) is self-evident. In general case our continued fraction y will look like: y = g / (f + y), where g = g(x), f = f(x), y = y(x) are functions of x. Consequently, the question will be how would it look like the derivative y' where it is represented as continued fraction: y' = u / (v + y'). Again, u = u(x) and v = v(x) are functions of x. If we use the approach from the video, we wil obtain u = u(f, f', g, g' ) and v = v(f, f', g, g' ), namely u = (f*f'*g' + (g')^2 - g*(f')^2) / (f^2 + 4*g) v = f' In the video example f(x) = 2*x, g(x) = 1, so we have u = -1/(x^2 + 1), v = 2, which is exactly the case. Very nice problem, I liked it.
@MathOrient
@MathOrient Жыл бұрын
Amazing stuff :)
@gavasiarobinssson5108
@gavasiarobinssson5108 Жыл бұрын
By the way, this kind of repeated fractions were known to children in the 1930s. They show up in old school books. But they didnt repeat ad infinitum.
@ScienceTalkwithJimMassa
@ScienceTalkwithJimMassa Жыл бұрын
How would you graph this thing? To the question of domain...at first glance, one might think that the domain would be all reals except for zero. But, if one were to substitute zero and evaluate ad nauseum, we see that the function appears to be continuous at zero with the result f(0) = 1. What am I missing? When you have y = 1/(2x + y), couldn't one simply utilize implicit differentiation? Doing this, I obtained: y' = -2/[(2x + y)^2 +1] and then we can keep substituting the y that was defined. Does this help at all in the evaluation or is this an ill advised approach? I am not a mathematician. I am an oceanographer. Partial derivatives, multiple integrals, DEs, vector calculus were my thing.
@dugong369
@dugong369 Жыл бұрын
the fraction is defined as the limit of 1/2x , 1/(2x+1/2x) , 1/(2x+1/(2x+1/2x))), etc. For zero all the terms are undefined. You may have assumed it used 1/(2x+1), 1/(2x+1/(2x+1)), etc. Mathologer has a good video kzbin.info/www/bejne/opaplqNvrtlmgLs where he states, around 8:00, that continued fractions could have been defined either way, but this way is more useful.
@shmuelzehavi4940
@shmuelzehavi4940 Жыл бұрын
The correct solution is: f(x) = -x + sign(x) √(x^2+1) . Therefore, f(0-) = - 1 , f(0+) = 1 and your intuition is right. I believe my previous comment may help (i don't believe implicit differentiation is a proper way to solve this problem).
@NewtonMD
@NewtonMD Жыл бұрын
Wait is he expecting us to answer the last question? 😅
@sjswitzer1
@sjswitzer1 Жыл бұрын
Was that _really_ a good place to stop? :)
@us9434
@us9434 Жыл бұрын
Did anyone figure out what the domain would be?
@shmuelzehavi4940
@shmuelzehavi4940 Жыл бұрын
I believe my previous comment gives the answer (every real value except zero).
@daveintucson8541
@daveintucson8541 Жыл бұрын
So you're just assuming the original continued fraction converges to something reasonable? Looking at partial versions in Desmos, every other one has a point where they diverge to ±∞ It sorta looks like they're converging, but I feel like this is a point that should be addressed.
@chrislankford7939
@chrislankford7939 Жыл бұрын
I'm getting for a continued fraction f(x) = 1/(g(x)+f(x)), f' = -g'/(2+g/f). Pretty straightforward from the implicit differentiation of the definition. This would be easy to construct in practice, but isn't the uniform continued fraction we solved for here.
@LifeIsBeautiful-ki9ky
@LifeIsBeautiful-ki9ky 5 ай бұрын
this is an easy problem in Continued Fraction Theory.
@gagadaddy8713
@gagadaddy8713 Жыл бұрын
This function has a blind point --- if x equal to zero, from the equation, we will obtain y = ±1 . However, if we go back to the original function. It is ridiculous that a continue fraction of all zero turn out to be ±1. 😅 Anyway, though y doesn't exist when x tend to zero. However, the derivative of the function still exists when x tend to zero. Interesting!
@gagadaddy8713
@gagadaddy8713 Жыл бұрын
So, professor you answer of derivate still hold for x belongs to real domain.😘
@paul21353
@paul21353 Жыл бұрын
I disagree. The value of a continued fraction is the limit of its partial fractions. At x=0 the first partial fraction, (1/2x) already does not exist. So f makes no sense at x=0. An easy calculation shows all non-zero values of x make sense and f(x) exists. So imho the domain of f is all non-zero real values of x.
@gagadaddy8713
@gagadaddy8713 Жыл бұрын
@@paul21353 Yes! y, the function of the continued fraction doesn't has limit when x tend to zero. This one I have no disagreement. But my point is the 1st derivative of the function(y') has limit when x tend to zero. Check it out yourselves, and you can find that y' is equal to -1 when x tend to zero, no matter you approach it from the positive side or the negative side.
@shmuelzehavi4940
@shmuelzehavi4940 Жыл бұрын
This problem may be looked as a convergence problem of a sequence of functions φ_n (x) to a limit function f(x) (which is to be found out) when n⟶∞ , where φ_1 (x) may be any arbitrary differentiable function, and for n>1 , φ_n (x) is given by: φ_n (x) = 1 / ( 2x+φ_(n-1) (x) ) for n > 1 Therefore, f(x) must satisfy the equation: f(x) = 1 / ( 2x+f(x) ) or: (f(x))^2 + 2x(f(x)) - 1 = 0 which gives: F(x,k) = -x + k √(x^2+1) , where k ∈ {1,-1} and: F ' (x,k) = (kx - √(x^2+1)) / √(x^2+1) The necessary and sufficient condition for convergence is: | f ' (x) | < 1 , which implies: k = sign(x) . Therefore we have: f(x) = -x + sign(x) √(x^2+1) and: f ' (x) = (x sign(x) - √(x^2+1)) / √(x^2+1) = (|x| - √(x^2+1)) / √(x^2+1) = |x| / √(x^2+1) - 1 f'(0) = -1 and consequently φ_n (0) does not converge to f(0) . Therefore, the solution domain is: x ∈ (-∞,0) ∪ (0,∞) (homework exercise). In other words, x may take every real value except zero.
@MacHooolahan
@MacHooolahan Жыл бұрын
Incidentally - does anyone else (phps just in UK, late 80s) recall the math books using sin^-1(x) for inverse sine? Don't know why this still bothers me.... But it does!
@gavasiarobinssson5108
@gavasiarobinssson5108 Жыл бұрын
It is not obvious to me that the continued fraction is well defined nor that it is equal to one of the earlier fractions. Can anyone elaborate?
@vihaankharia2829
@vihaankharia2829 Жыл бұрын
the domain of y is [-1,1]
@maxvangulik1988
@maxvangulik1988 Жыл бұрын
Just do it implicitly. 1/y=2x+y (-1/y^2)dy/dx=2+dy/dx (-(1+y^2)/y^2)dy/dx=2 dy/dx=-2y^2/(1+y^2)
@MacHooolahan
@MacHooolahan Жыл бұрын
Notation for this (in general math) is awful - an upside-down cap-PI phps?
@xaxuser5033
@xaxuser5033 Жыл бұрын
again, the rigor is absent
@ayrthhhn
@ayrthhhn Жыл бұрын
-1/(1+x^2) is the derivative of arccot(x)... Hmm...
@digxx
@digxx Жыл бұрын
Another valid endless fraction would be f'(x)=-1/(1+x/f(x))=--1/(1+2x^2)+x^2/2x^2+x^2/2x^2+x^2/2x^2+....
@pyropulseIXXI
@pyropulseIXXI Жыл бұрын
I used implicit differentiation
@txikitofandango
@txikitofandango Жыл бұрын
All this sqrt(1+x^2) stuff makes me wonder if there isn't a triggy solution to this.
@КириллЙошкин
@КириллЙошкин Жыл бұрын
There is cosh-ish function involved when you check convergence of sequence of fractions
@ayrthhhn
@ayrthhhn Жыл бұрын
I think there is, I saw that and that was the first thing that popped in my head Also, "u" is the derivative of arccot(x), this definitely smells triggy
@oddlyspecificmath
@oddlyspecificmath Жыл бұрын
I actually stopped watching another math video because that thumbnail is _awesome_
@pavelievlev9730
@pavelievlev9730 Жыл бұрын
i don't think there actually is this plus-minus sign problem. if x > 0, then the truncated continuous fractions converge to sqrt(x^2+1)-x and if x 0, truncated fractions are clearly positive, whereas the second root -x-sqrt(x^2+1) is negative, so f can only be the sqrt(x^2+1)-x root, which is positive. same for the second branch. P.S. the fact that both functions are defined for x in R doesn't matter: the behavior of sqrt(x^2+1)-x for negative x has nothing to do with the continued fraction in question. same for the other branch.
@sabriath
@sabriath Жыл бұрын
I got -y/(x+y) 🤷‍♂
@xl000
@xl000 Жыл бұрын
At which level is this usually studied? I mean the average content of this channel, in terms of either age range or in the EU. I’m not familiar at all with how math are taught in the US
@JirivandenAssem
@JirivandenAssem Жыл бұрын
University. Just look up math minors on universities and compare the subjects,
@jacobwakem7607
@jacobwakem7607 Жыл бұрын
It would be nicer if you found the derivative as a continued fraction itself.
@farfa2937
@farfa2937 Жыл бұрын
Maybe I'm dumb, but can't you just implicitly differentiate 1:30 and call it a day?
@mathunt1130
@mathunt1130 Жыл бұрын
You could have done an implicit derivative on y=1/(2x+y), this would have led to an equation for y', which is what you wanted.
@КириллЙошкин
@КириллЙошкин Жыл бұрын
It's harder to represent the derivative as continuous fraction from implicit derivative
@chrisglosser7318
@chrisglosser7318 Жыл бұрын
y^2+2xy=1 => 2yy’+2y+2xy’ =0. So y’=-y/(x+y)=-1/(1+x/y)
@chrisglosser7318
@chrisglosser7318 Жыл бұрын
You absolutely can get a get a general function (swap 2x->f(x)) by following the same steps
@chrisglosser7318
@chrisglosser7318 Жыл бұрын
So basically, if y=1/(f+1/(f+…)), Then 1/y=1/(-f+1/(-f+…)). Then you can show y’ = -f’/(2+f/y) =-f’/(2+f/(-f+1/-f+…))
@axbs4863
@axbs4863 Жыл бұрын
y = 1/(2x+1/(2x+....)) y=1/(2x+y) y^2 + 2xy = 1 y^2 + 2xy + x^2 = 1 + x^2 (y+x)^2 = 1 + x^2 y + x = sqrt(1 + x^2) y = sqrt(1 + x^2) - x
@rob876
@rob876 Жыл бұрын
f(x) = 1/(2x + f(x)) f'(x) = -(2 + f'(x))/(2x + f(x))^2 (2x + f(x))^2f'(x) = -2 - f'(x) [1 + (2x + f(x))^2]f'(x) = -2 f'(x) = -2/[1 + (2x + f(x))^2]
@sharpnova2
@sharpnova2 Жыл бұрын
why not implicit differentiation at the start?
@doctorb9264
@doctorb9264 Жыл бұрын
Same idea here.
@camilocagliolo
@camilocagliolo Жыл бұрын
Baron von Grumble Guss watches me sleep, what a creep!
@neilwoller
@neilwoller Жыл бұрын
Baron von Grumble Guss watches me sleep, what a creep!
@ronbannon
@ronbannon Жыл бұрын
Baron von Grumble Guss watches me sleep, what a creep!
@OmnipotentEntity
@OmnipotentEntity Жыл бұрын
Baron von Grumble Guss watches me sleep, what a creep!
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