Battle of Legends - 250R vs Banshee! Which is better for Rocky Trails? Quad Warz S3 E1

Battle of Legends - 250R vs Banshee! Which is better for Rocky Trails? Quad Warz S3 E1
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[@sebastianbrochu3971]

I clicked faster then... I dont know man, I clicked fast ok?

[@trx440exx]

Same

[@crfisaiah3963]

That nigga snappped

[@MichaelSabo]

😂

[@jon6684b]

@@MichaelSabo I have 09 kfx450r with big bore kit. What’s I mean if shut off and back fires out muffler

[@Rent-A-Center]

Okay

[@ni_wink84]

Maybe it’s just me, but I always felt like the wheel speed on the banshee made it a little more to handle in rocks? Never ridden a 250r built like yours though either so no clue I guess! Both bikes ripping, so awesome, the sound of the banshee never gets old to me! Great videos as always mike!

[@MichaelSabo]

Hard to say; definitely the suspension is a major factor regardless of the wheel speed. Thank you for watchin man!

[@DylanTabler]

I’m currently on house arrest going through allot of legal issues, I’m over 6 months into recovery from addiction. Once I get off house arrest I really want to get back into riding quads. Your videos have helped me out allot man. You’re the man keep up the good work. You’re bringing joy to people in ways you would never imagine:)

[@DoctorMotorcycle]

Thanks for including the bits where John almost fell off and you went into the bushes, I almost spit out my coffee. The part where you went into the bushes was hilarious haha

[@MichaelSabo]

😂 Doc, it wouldn't be a day of riding without a few mishaps haha; thank you as always for the feedback and for watching 👊🤘

[@skeetlybeet2584]

Impressed by johns save, impressed by Sabos time. You guys are killin it 🤙🏼

[@johnlopez680]

From experience and growing up I started on a stock banshee that just had some fmf pipes and it was pretty easy to learn but I feel with starting off on a banshee it does teach you to respect any machine because if you don’t it definitely can get out from under you. Honestly I think it’s all about research and interest wether you wanna go 4 stroke or 2 stroke. But if your a person more interested in 2 stroke then definitely get a stock banshee and learn and work your way up to modifying based on whatever type of ride style you will be doing most. Love your guys videos though thanks for all your hard work you guys rock 🤘🤘 hope this helps anyone

[@MichaelSabo]

Great feedback man! Thank you for the love and for watching 🤘👊

[@ericb2780]

John holding on to that Banshee was epic! Had a buddy that had a brand new one back In 02, took it for a spin by the railroad tracks I remember it broke the tires loose with every shift. Awesome content guys! I have an 07 400ex and an 18 sportsman 570 in the garage but these videos make me want to get a 2 stroke to play with.

[@MichaelSabo]

You should definitely get another 2 stroke 😎

[@sebastianbrochu3971]

My 250r was my first quad, Its been good to me. It handles awesome and it has great bottom end power for easier slower stuff. And more power then I know what to do with.

[@codykorzenowski6888]

Just bought my first quad an 86 trx250r for 1400$

[@sebastianbrochu3971]

@@codykorzenowski6888 that's a steal for 1400 I've seen frames go for more then that lol

[@codykorzenowski6888]

@@sebastianbrochu3971 yea I know, I got it from a family member and has been stored for 25 years

[@jdm4569]

Love that 250r! I have one thats just a stock bore but its a heavily modded spacer plate motor with a shaved head and a pwk 38 carb. It runs on straight race fuel and its plenty for me since Im almost 60yrs old. 👍🏼

[@brianj123458]

I'm 100% banshee myself stock or modified im good with. I've rode 3 different 250r and my banshee smoked all 3 but the aftermarket shocks on my banshee makes it a little smoother lol 😆

[@jeffreysimpson7256]

With you all the way , been riding banshee since 16 years old, now 36 I never had a 250r come by me

[@fastmachines500r8]

@UCvxR0EvIlb5S4h97jmV-b3Q probably because they weren’t even racing you dumbass lmao

[@kachoww5981]

@@fastmachines500r8 damn buddy relax ur bike is slow

[@bryansimeral1926]

There's a reason that the TRX250R dominated the track for years...even after production had stopped. I'm glad to see you're not drag racing...but actually comparing in a real riding situation.

[@grandroofing1604]

Impressive when you through your weight to your right side on the one wheel wheelie. well done. I will remember that one.

[@nathansumerlin8391]

Remembering and doing… totally different skills

[@F5Tornado44]

John, I gotta say, that was an impressive save. Hats off for not just letting go and ditching it. That being said, why aren't you wearing riding boots? Actually, both of you should be wearing at least a long sleeve shirt as well. A wipe out in those rocks are gonna make your arms into hamburger. Jeez, now I sound like my parents.

[@humpday2267]

It’s gotta be said.

[@reggiexp69]

atleast they got helmets... something you dont see alot of americains do..

[@MichaelSabo]

I agree we should be wearing more gear

[@kachoww5981]

I mean they “should” be wearing gear but also they are just messing around. Even when I go for long rips I’ve been just wearing a helmet and warm clothes and I’ve been doing this for years

[@commentpulling]

Johns save was awesome!! Well done. 👍🏻 keep the vids coming love watching both of your videos!!

[@lt-z-quadnation6644]

Man that first hill climb with that stupid fast wheelie was intense. I thought he was going over for sure but what a great save on John’s part . 🤘🏻

[@spencerschoolfield99]

Love the channel man! Been riding quads for many years now, mainly technical trail riding, but your content is great. I think the best thing is that you didn't have to create some persona for the camera; you're just being yourself and that's very clear, refreshing and easy to watch.

[@andrewjackson6986]

u guys are absolutely amazing but hands down to john for holding on the shee what a ride man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Codyjames83]

Both kicked ass but that save was pretty freaking awesome

[@LogansCustomWorks]

That save was VERY impressive man. I would have died riding those beasts. This made me laugh my ass off and I’m excited for the next videos keep up the great work y’all do. I also think if I rode them I would probably win on the 250R. Its definitely a tamer machine but I still like the banshee more.

[@Piney0]

Perfect example of how most people would benefit from better suspension / handling of a sport quad than the power upgrades most do to a quad. Most riders can't use the full power of these machines in stock form, and making them more powerful helps, but not as much as suspension at first. Great video.

[@MichaelSabo]

Thank you for the feedback and for watching 👊🤘

[@700rRaptorLife]

Congratulations 🍾 on the 70k subscribers sabo 🦾🦾🦾

[@MichaelSabo]

Thank you brother 👊

[@700rRaptorLife]

@@MichaelSabo Your welcome bro 👊🏽

[@cslew871]

There is a reason the 250r is the king on the rave track. Reliability & handling.

[@gtisid]

can’t wait to see what the LT 500 can do🤔

[@mattdyer489]

I had a 87 250r that had a esr 310 top end and a +8 hotrods stroker crank. Had custom hand built +2 front arms with peps suspension. A -1 rear swingarm with a modified stock shock. There were a few guys on built banshees that tried to keep up with my r in the woods. Banshees just don't handle well enough to keep up with a r in woods.

[@earlgunman6325]

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?!?! I go 6 days without really watching KZbin because I was tired after work and you go and start a new damn season of Quad Wars??? Where was the weeks of setbacks and anticipation? You can't go springing shit like this on me! I damn near stroked out when I saw Quad Wars S3E1.

[@MichaelSabo]

😂 lol, thank you for the love bro

[@just_in_time5518]

That 250R surprised me! What a beast!

[@kenwilks6289]

OMG John, how in the hell did you hold on. Hats off to you good sir. Gold star ⭐!

[@cliffhart7673]

I gotta say! These guys got some cool videos and some cool quads! That's having some good fun ripping classic 2 strokes!

[@AndrewS1989]

Good for you taking those beautiful machines up rock hill 👍🏻

[@adrienfortin4411]

That sweet sweet 2 stroke sound. !!!! Great vid man

[@theexisting1514]

THAT SAVE THO

[@bamagolds]

Had an TRX '86 250r and recognize that sound well. Restored it with only slight mods. Spent a little over 3k, sold for 1700, and was glad to have my garage space. The 250R "Banchee killer," got its name because it handled better. The twin carb is just excessive. The trx250r '88 and '89 were improvements and the rarest.

[@nicholascaudill8868]

🤣... stupid fast John can ride!

[@JamesDavis-to1hn]

The one wheel wheelie was epic 👍👍👍👍

[@emfelling8384]

man i love these quad warz videos! keep them up 👊🤘 those are some sweet quads!

[@MichaelSabo]

Thank you for the feedback! More to come 👊

[@chadcaudill509]

Hope you guys do the fuel injected 700 big dogs some day...Trx700xx ...700 Raptor...Kfx 700...that b sick! Thats my world... Great videos fella's! Keep on keeping on

[@MichaelSabo]

I'm sure it will happen eventually 🤘

[@LSDdreams808]

this would be be very good.

[@RJIVHALO]

Never rode a banshee before but would love to try one someday. Learned to ride on my dads 89 250r when I was a little kid and bought my own 86 250r last year. It’s a blast! A few months after I got mine my dad bought my brother an 87 250r so now we got 3 in the family. It’s so fun to go play in the dunes with them. I could only dream of making my 250r like yours. That thing is sweet man. 👍

[@DohcJames]

Where u at?

[@MichaelSabo]

Thank you brother 👊 Glad to hear you're all on R's!

[@trumpfancardanostakepool4737]

Man that was an awesome comparo. That one wheel wheelie was nuts. Epic save.

[@dennistitus4408]

I normally don't comment on videos but that save bro😳

[@roughmix9528]

Cool vid!! Good content! Would love to see a sand dune shootout with these bikes! Also, with these two builds, the suspension on the R is pretty superior to the Banshee so that's why it feels smoother/btr. Keep it up!!

[@MichaelSabo]

Sand would be a good shootout too! 100% the 250R is modified much better to suite these conditions

[@brianmeyers6083]

I would definitely go with the the 250 Quad Racer. I had 1 back when I was in highschool and it always amazed people that I was able to hang and even beat Banshees and some dirt bikes. I'm currently looking for a 250.

[@theawb6986]

Glad you went back to the cable. The hydraulic clutch is nothing but problems.

[@MichaelSabo]

100%

[@wednesdar452]

Absolutely love my Banshee! Stand up and get some weight over those front tires and you'll keep them on the ground.

[@Wingnut7078]

That's some bad ass riding fellas, yall definitely know how to ride

[@azzionsmith7187]

Cool vid you delivered again and what’s most amazing you guys are wearing helmets that speaks volumes good shit

[@MichaelSabo]

I appreciate the feedback man and thank you for watching! We try to keep our lids on as a rule 👊

[@bobertfryer8778]

Holy shit!!!!! Two legendary machines!!!! Hats off!!!!!

[@mandimcginley5270]

Awesome now I seen the next episode I opened my mouth a little too quick Great I can't wait for that one

[@midnightbat1653]

That save🔥

[@normanminer6165]

Mike's got nothing on you with that one wheel wheelie!! 😎

[@stevelanglois9517]

Had both...310 Honda and a 421 banshee both badass but the banshee is the winner... absolute beast when modified correctly

[@BraapEffex]

Can't beat that brudal power and torque from that 350 twin 2 smoke!

[@Cchilders70]

We need more quad wars!!

[@DoodMang7]

Man you guys are a trip! I was smiling the whole video hahahahaha!!!

[@Kfx_zilla2006]

Yes

[@jeredalmeida1880]

The Patriot is killin it.

[@zackparker952]

You done brought the monsters to the trailz

[@rescuehoundemtd]

Man that banshee is nasty. Great video!

[@fromex2lsturbo]

Finally, nothing but 2 strokes 💨😶‍🌫️😁

[@ericsilverware4561]

Love this series you three guys make a awesome entertaining team can’t wait for more episodes of quuuaaaaddd wars

[@jeffbrosch3142]

Racing back in the 90's in the woods you never saw a Banshee out there. And if you did it was not a problem to get ahead of them. The 250r just has the best all-around handling. And the Banshee is just a handful at least all the ones I have owned have been. They are great on the sand dunes though.

[@chriscallas9483]

You guys shredded!! Wes too! Great vid

[@BDauto86]

That was a pretty cool comparison to have all 3 of you guys run both machines. My question is could you tame down the power band of the banshee a little to make it more usable power for an application like this or the woods? Like maybe reed spacers or flywheel weights or something along those lines to kind of smooth out the difference between non power band and power band. It really comes down to the rider and seat time, back when we were doing hill climb events I seen some pretty amazing runs put down by guys on banshees.

[@MichaelSabo]

I definitely think the power curve could be smoothed to make it a better rider in the woods; the banshee is like a light switch with power. It's a result of the way I built it not know 100% what I was doing. Porting and different pipes would drastically change it in my opinion (which is soon to happen 😎 )

[@joeypooschke7914]

Watching this episode got me thinking that the drag race episode it’s going to be a close race and it’s going to come down to whoever can get the best launch. I think the R will get a better launch. The shee will possibly be a 2nd gear launch on the to hook up better and keep the wheels on the ground. You will still pull them up but it should be more controlled on a second gear lunch. Can’t wait. The shee is a dune Machine most definitely.. it will be hella fun on the dunes.

[@MichaelSabo]

100%, the Shee if for long straights

[@McNastyMotorsports]

Both absolutely badass machines!

[@MichaelSabo]

Thank you Tom!

[@smokydoge2137]

I love both quad

[@ragedemon6513]

That was the craziest power wheelie I’ve ever seen lmfao

[@kingkracker1998]

WOW LOLOLOLOLL OMG John l0l0l I cant stop laughing at u hanging on to that Banshee lol

[@kingkracker1998]

i love the even ness of the 4 stroke for a newbie lol ill hit that jump full throttle at the base and SKY on my yfz450r. i would DIE on the Banshee. But i LOVE looking at them lol

[@johnbaker899]

Awesome comparison...love my 86trx CT built 👍

[@damienrodriguez3288]

Call him “one wheel John” 😂👊🏻

[@samuelszego7619]

the god quads (excluding the new lt500 of course)

[@austinsoderberg8216]

Drag race better be next!!

[@baileymcdonnell4142]

Great vid love the series !

[@gavinbarham542]

As it turns out John can ride better than I thought.

[@apbtbulldogs8826]

That Banshee is ripping. Ive had both and the Banshee will always be king of quads too me.

[@sethanderson9931]

You should do a video on the 250r vs a 450.

[@grandroofing1604]

Banshee is what i have. Good job guys

[@2smallgarage268]

That 250r sounds AMAZING! what pipe is on it?

[@controll8777]

Great video, I feel like if you stand up in certain parts it'd handle better

[@anthonybcarroll8968]

2nd thing I rode with a clutch was a trx700xx that was bored out to 727cc bigger injectors,stage 2 hot cams, some other stuff it was a rowdey quad

[@phoenixarizona8441]

That's How my yamaha raptor 600 twin hybrid is a good friend of mine Built a Older Polaris Scrambler with a Polaris xc700 twin she's wicked we call em our Homemade Banshee's

[@streetrossi937]

Can't go wrong with either quadCan't go wrong with either quad

[@Mohammedbanshee350]

💪💪💪💪👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@danimbertson4948]

You both are really talented riders, that shit looks like such fun, I wish I was there with youz guys.

[@sethanderson9931]

I love the banshee but for trails I think I would choose the 250r.

[@braddue4126]

When ever I watch a video of your banshee I start looking in to buying one

[@highlightzilla9581]

That 250 is nasty

[@ononewheel7]

Neither hahaha Quit beating those beauties up 🤣 Im also still waiting to see some real rocks those trails are not bad at all great vid guys 🤘

[@longtime239]

It would be awesome if you guys could find some nice gravel mountain roads to rip

[@robertmccraw2847]

It’s a no brainer, I’d win with the R haha! I’m only about 150lbs and very biased to the 250r anyways since I ride one. I’d be hauling ass with that Dave Moore motor 🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽

[@scott6228]

My banshee would leave you in the dust

[@robertmccraw2847]

@@scott6228 I didn’t see any videos on your channel of said banshee so I couldn’t compare. But make it out to glamis and we can run it.

[@TheDromen69]

Awesomw video, the one I was waiting. Does the banshee have exhaust valve? That can help a ton making the power band wider

[@MichaelSabo]

No exhaust valve on the Banshee; definitely would be cool to see the difference with one

[@TheDromen69]

@@MichaelSabo my expirience is when I bought my 125 it happened the same, front wheel always wanna take air. After a while I started disassebling and I realized the powervalve was stuck open. I cleaned everything and put it back together. So much better after that, bike has power from lower rpm and still can feel when the powervalves open, but not that crazy hit. It made the bike much easyes to ride hard. Hope it helped

[@Slane583]

I have some experience riding 2-strokes, sadly it was only a bored out Blaster. It was fast for what it was but it sure isn't one of these things by any means. As for the big bore 2-stroke dirt bikes, I don't know how true it is but out of all of them the YZ 490 supposedly had the most unpredictable power band of the bunch from what I've read. They'd have instances of the power band wanting to kick in while doing slow riding causing the bike to shoot from under you. But again, it's something I read, so weather or not it's true is something else. :)

[@RandyMoss84]

Fire

[@BTR2018]

This is sick;).

[@nwduneriders8157]

Mike's Banshee get's with it, I bet it would benefit with an extended swingarm. I'd like to ride that bike out in the dunes.

[@MichaelSabo]

Thanks man, definitely would benefit with a longer swingarm!

[@robertwilson5747]

Dude your qaud arsenal is amazing

[@jimmadonna1436]

That was enjoyable, I can't believe that JOHN saved that from turning ugly quick. I like both, the Honda would be better for me.

[@MichaelSabo]

Thank you for watching Jim! One more ounce of power and I think John would be rolling on the rocks 😂

[@jimmadonna1436]

@@MichaelSabo no doubt!

[@theexisting1514]

Good stuff fellas!

[@MichaelSabo]

Thank you bro 👊

[@VinnyJi]

Love your videos man

[@big_change5632]

Need to change the sprockets on the banshee it will help