Michigan Alum Rich Eisen Reacts to Possible NCAA Punishment for Connor Stalions Spying Controversy

[@stern12akachris32]

Rich if this was allegations was about Ohio State you be screaming to strip them and you know it

[@stevenvox6549]

The Univ of Iowa can provide more footage. Maybe just about all of the Big Ten opponents of Michigan were cheated.

[@Yooper630]

Sure...and they still kept their championship after playing ineligible players in the 2002 Title game. How much did Maurice and company get paid anyways?

[@michaelwinchester4726]

Hardballs>Gay

[@justinfarmer5859]

​@Yooper630 michigan cheated period!! They had a staffer on other teams sidelines that's cheating terribly and stupidly you gotta admit that!! Oh wait all michigan fans do is pass the blame and act like nothing happened!!

[@jimmy5634]

@@michaelwinchester4726Hairball is a disingenuous creeper.

[@itstrizzo]

I've never seen someone's demeanor change so abruptly when it comes to this subject. To actually argue on the basis of how effective the cheating was is not a good look.

[@K.S.Nichols]

It's amazing. It's also a luminously dumb argument to say that the cheating was ripped out "root and branch," which is obviously untrue. They still had all of Stalions work and all of the players and coaches who cheated were still involved in the games.

[@hangontravellers2584]

They watched games. Thats the cheating. This is so dumb.

[@TheBlues-fq4ni]

The punishment must fit the crime. I’m a die hard Michigan fan. I don’t really care what others say, Michigan broke the rules. They have to be punished for it. I would also, however, be very skeptical of arguing that sign stealing equates to such a significant advantage as to equal a national title. I think anyone being honest with themselves would also be fairly skeptical of that. I guess we continue to wait for all of the information to come out, and I could change my mind. But that’s where I’m at now. Obviously I have a degree of bias, but trying to be as objective as possible.

[@user-hh5rn4jz6o]

Reasonable

[@drewclark1920]

@@K.S.Nichols except that all of the hardest teams on their schedule were after the event which means they likely changed all of their signs PRIOR to the following games.

[@Cosmosrat69]

Insufferable mental gymnastics the Michigan man… 🙄

[@pmc1727]

I grew up in Michigan. This feels like the fab five apologists all over again. Michigan cheats and their fans fall over onto their fainting couches when called out.

[@RG-gv8ss]

Bc we don’t care, if u ain’t cheating u ain’t trying

[@michaelolmedo6764]

Rich. Your Michigan is showing 😂😂😂

[@robertpesa4157]

@@michaelolmedo6764 as to imply that it's ever hidden?

[@musicman76enator]

@@michaelolmedo6764 He also ALWAYS shows his Yankees, Jets, Knicks, Northwestern, and (occasionally) LA Kings / Rangers. The man is straight up Bias. Oooh he also will sometimes share pics from his wife Suzy's Only Fans 😂

[@hillbillysceptic1982]

Cant wait to see himreact to vacateb wins and title😂

[@kennethhathcock2235]

@@hillbillysceptic1982boohoo

[@TadgNokomis]

When did whether the cheating worked become the yardstick of guilt? If I try to cheat on an exam, but my cheating doesn’t help me and then I get caught, am I not guilty? Cheating is cheating.

[@melodywilliams9124]

Exactly what I was thinking

[@jaymoret7418]

Cheating is cheating, but there's the aspect of impact. Those 52 text messages Coach Moore "deleted" were reviewed by the NCAA and nothing was found. That's why it's a Level 2. But I don't see that being discussed by most news outlets. Why? Ohio St self-reported tampering (which is cheating/illegal) this year/off-season for contacting a recruit before the transfer portal opened. Many believe it was Caleb Downs. So all the same questions should be asked right? Who knew about it, when? Was it reported when it was immediately discovered or was there a delay? If the latter, why? Is it possible Ryan Day didn't know about illegally contacting such a highly rated player when everyone knows his job is on the line this year if he loses to Michigan again? Is there a cover-up? Did he intentionally have the recruit contacted knowing he could just self-report it and that makes it OK? It shouldn't matter if you believe he was going to OSU anyway right? Should Caleb Downs or anyone on the staff involved be suspended? How many games? Should an asterisk be put by whatever outcome this year because of this obvious and blatant cheating/illegal action to garner one of the top players in the country at his position? Because cheating is cheating. I can respect consistency. Inconsistency reeks of bias.

[@double5338]

Well said.

[@fport10]

It’s their way of justifying it. That and apparent every team does the exact same thing. Each team has a Connor.

[@jaymoret7418]

Technically "cheating is cheating" by definition. But that's why there's Level 1 and Level 2 discrepancies. Impact and nuance come in to play. Is it still cheating if you self-report it?

[@charlespowell5847]

Love how Rich keeps trying to justify his favorite team getting caught cheating. If this was Ohio State Rich would be having a stroke. Connor wasn’t a fan of TTUN, he was an employee. Deleted texts, reminds me of the erased watergate tapes. If anyone believes that the coaching staff wasn’t aware on this then they need to refill their bong😂

[@fport10]

💯

[@neilbaldwin1492]

Rich's whole demeanor changes whenever Michigan cheating comes up. Makes me lose respect.

[@scotte2177]

Yea it does. But I would probably fight til the end if I were him. It's gonna get bad tho 😅

[@ticc2354]

Exactly

[@OSU-MAC]

The Michigan AD should be gone.

[@K.S.Nichols]

So scummy to want to ignore the authorities because you were caught engaging in the biggest cheating scandal in the sport's history. Just like a Michigan Man to cheat and thumb one's nose at authorities.

[@UncleRicoOSU]

Wait until Rich learns that Stalions did some freelance work for The Ravens as well. Because we all know the Ravens needed a “recruiting analyst.” Say goodbye to your “lone wolf” argument. It’s pretty damn clear that the Harbaugh family knew of, and thought very highly of his work.

[@justincredible3379]

Why does Rich always talk about the quality of the videos? That's totally irrelevant and a complete red herring. The intent was there to cheat, the "quality" of the cheating is a non-factor.

[@zrar8259]

Exactly and the fact that he’s done this for 53 games must mean that he was good at what he was doing or that at least it was working well enough to keep doing it

[@smh0825]

Rich is saying this because the world thinks Michigan knew every play that was coming at them every game. If that were true nobody would score a point against that defense. For all we know, that highlight Brockman always brings up was Stalions telling coach that it’s either going to be a run or pass play. Knowing that really doesn’t make a difference since it’s always a coin flip anyways.

[@mo7571]

​@@smh0825 Exactly. He's making the case that there wasn't a competitive advantage from these tapes. They won the national championship on talent and not cheating. Professional media and NCAA officials have gone on record that they won the title fair and square. The act of cheating should be punished. That's why Harbaugh was suspended last season and the ones responsible were "ripped out root and branch".

[@calebflynn9636]

Butch woolfolk

[@Scotter4536]

@@mo7571 You're a cheater if you cheat. It doesn't matter if you're bad or good at it.

[@st-xi3ys]

Lol this sounds like a man panicing knowing that his team cheated.

[@RyanJudith]

Ok so when Michigan pounds every team this year.... what's the BS excuse?

[@st-xi3ys]

@@RyanJudith They won't.

[@thomashebert8557]

Usually I like and agree with Rich. I do root for UM to beat Ohio St every year. Cheating, even if it ends up not helping in the win column is still cheating. I’m a lifelong Red Sox fan, and I do not like Alex Cora. He’s a proven 2 time cheater. I wish Boston did not extend his contract. Stop making excuses for UM because the video quality is poor or that a score was made against alleged stolen signals. Own up to the fact that people closely involved in the Wolverines football program tried to cheat.

[@ReggieRay88]

Rich, its incredible to watch you attempt to convince yourself Michigan did nothing wrong because they went on an impressive run at the end of the season. Its like you're saying, " It doesn't matter cause they won the last 5 games without stallions". No one has ever been caught saying Michigan wasn't talented. What they're saying is that they cheated, without a doubt. Why would you cherry pick the CJ Stroud TD pass that Stallions knew was coming? There is also a clip circulating where Stallions tells Minter "run right" and the defense brings the secondary down on a 3 wide look and stuffs the run perfectly on the right side. You cannot convince anyone with a logical mind that this operation didnt give them the edge in games. In a sport like football, all it takes is a ball bouncing a certain direction to swing a games momentum when both teams are equally matched.

[@zrar8259]

I agree, stallions was funded and put in a position to be on big game sidelines next to coordinators. It’s is very close minded to believe he acted alone and even with him removed, the damage had been done from the previous 50+ games he attended

[@televisionsupervision]

I love this show and I love Rich but Chris is trying so hard not to call out Rich for being blinded by his love for Michigan

[@taxisquad11]

Stalions was hired knowing his resume said his claim to fame was counter intelligence You can win every game by 50 points and that does not erase breaking multiple NCAA Bylaws, which must be punished. What if you go 100 MPH in a 35 and don't hurt any one, you get arrested and shouldn't be punished??

[@jimmy5634]

That’s their rationale. It’s called no morals.

[@k.s.nichols4060]

​@@jimmy5634Michigan Men don't follow rules.

[@dnaking]

"We shouldn't be punished for cheating, because we didn't cheat well." That's the TL:RL Rich Eisen version.

[@dallasmustang11]

What kind of a response to cheating accusations is “well we clearly weren’t cheating that well because Ohio state was up in 2 of the three games?”

[@jimmy5634]

He won’t think it’s so funny when the “S” hits the fan

[@robertpesa4157]

@dallasmustang11 A Michigan fan response. Just like all the Tiger fans here thinking that going to the World Series and getting swept is some great accomplishment.....I'll take it easy on Lions fans, it's been rough enough

[@AntnyDsmn]

I don’t know if he was attempting to say “if Michigan knew what plays were coming, then why were they trailing in some of those games?” It’s no excuse, believe me. That play he mentioned with the finger pointing up stuff? Wasn’t that next play the play where Harrison scored before halftime? It goes to what Deion said “you can have my entire playbook, you still have to stop it.”

[@2022jmj]

Did they cheat? If so, then punish accordingly, if not move on!

[@garrettedwards7291]

Oh I forgot that Harbaugh suspension during the most important games of the season wasn't punishment.....

[@ChristopherSowers-mk2kw]

Typical Michigan Alumni and fans have zero integrity

[@rashadwalker8218]

The pot calling the kettle black 🤡

[@mrkennady]

Tressel got busted buying his players $50,000 cars back in 2008. I don't want to hear it from you snitcheyes anymore.

[@k.s.nichols4060]

​@@mrkennadyBelieve what you wish to believe.

[@fport10]

@@mrkennadyJim payed players 5 billion dollars each… see I can do it also

[@nbrockification]

@@k.s.nichols4060you can also “believe what you wish to believe”.

[@OEx25]

Love Rich and can’t really blame him for his bias, but literally EVERYONE who is not a Michigan fan is laughing hysterically at his defense of them

[@jaymanishere13]

Rich had no problem with the cheating when they won the Natty

[@monexpo86]

No way this clown acted alone and im sure Harbaugh hands are not clean on this either

[@musicman76enator]

Why do you think he left for LA? He pulled a Pete Carroll and John Calipari. Zing.

[@zrar8259]

I agree, no way his vacuum company funded this whole operation single handed, plus with him next to coordinators on the sidelines it’s easy to assume they knew of him or enough to keep him around

[@smh0825]

So he’s guilty until proven innocent? Oh just because you WANT him to be guilty. Yeah that’s a disturbing way to live.

[@kevinpowers2959]

All the evidence says he acted alone. It's even in this very report.

[@jimmy5634]

@@smh0825what’s disturbing is sticking up for cheating.

[@raytokumoto2200]

They got caught, time for accountability. If they are not held accountable it will send the wrong message.

[@IAmTrash1995]

Can someone from Michigan just apologize? Haven’t heard one yet!

[@Elite67ty]

Rich getting absolutely ROASTED in these comments lmao

[@fademejake]

They cheated. The fact that they won other games without cheating and therefore didn't 'need' to cheat is irrelevant. It does not matter whether their cheating was effective or not. If I am playing poker with someone and they pull a pair of aces out of their sleeve, whether they would have or could have won with their original hand is irrelevant.

[@JustinPaulSports]

Just look at the record of Harbaugh before Conor and after the Conor hire. It’s vast, effective cheating. In fact, every single win with Conor on staff should be vacated, what a disaster at Michigan.

[@garrettedwards7291]

Yeah it was the sign stealing that made the players good enough to be NFL draft picks 🤡

[@dbray1988]

@@garrettedwards7291 This is the SAME illogical thought process over and over again. NO ONE is saying that Michigan wasn't a talented team. But, they cheated anyway. Cheating, no matter the impact to the outcome, calls those contest results into question.

[@danpatrick9080]

It's a dirty program...they cheated and stole glory from student athletes they competed against...

[@k.s.nichols4060]

They victimized hundreds of young men. Bet!

[@andrewgorenc9160]

Rich has his homer on: - When they fired Stallions they kept his data - The three year run was built on cheating. - You can’t cherry pick plays to diminish the impact of CS on the final score.

[@pjtourkid]

“Hail to the cheaters🎶”

[@33barranch]

"Your team cheated." "But when they stopped cheating they kept winning anyway!" - every cheater

[@Bendoescamera]

I love Rich - but how do you think they built such a great team to win last year "fair and square"?...By recruiting based off of winning games from cheating.

[@zrar8259]

Cheating for 3+ years and then winning your last 6 plus games without doesn’t completely absolve you of past wrongdoings. You cheat enough to put yourself in a position to succeed, pretty sketchy any what u look at it

[@jamietwigg5152]

The team last year came from a class ranked 20th in the country.

[@francisgerman1891]

Rich pandering for the blue.

[@mmartinez8439]

Fired don brown lol

[@gheller2261]

You have no clue what happened, it just makes you feel good to call Michigan cheaters. Michigan made it very clear in 2023 that their success was the result of hard work, development, good coaching, execution, and occasionally a bit of luck that every good team experiences.

[@atx5127]

Rich sounds like an absurd fan boy when it comes to Conner Stallions and Michigan football.

[@kcook8023]

Michigans title has to be taken away

[@ClexaPride]

Cheating Happened, it doesn’t matter if the videos were good or not, He did what he wasn’t allowed to do… Seems Rich Just Can’t Accept That… does he not remember what happened to the FAB FiVE? Those banners are on self somewhere.

[@jamietwigg5152]

Ineligible players were involved, just like any other severe punishment from the NCAA, OSU, USC recently KY. No players are involved in this.

[@jamietwigg5152]

@@hotdangers play sheet doesn't mean anything, that was Connors job to decipher signs, and break down film. Sure doesn't mean players knew how he was getting his info, and they didn't say it did either.

[@lancelatkiewicz5070]

This scandal is not about only 2024! It’s 2021 and 2022 also. Cheating stole a heisman from cj stroud

[@UncleRicoOSU]

There is not a dumber argument than the quality of video argument. Cell phones have recorded in 4K for like a decade now. I know you’re old Rich, but you’re not that old 🙄

[@garrettedwards7291]

Exactly and all college teams watch film in 4k before every match up anyways and NCAA wanted to get rid of the bylaw of in person scouting in 2021 because it's irrelevant in today's day in age and there are no ties of the other coaches knowing about what Stallions was doing

[@johnclark3378]

They didn’t retire Nick Saban. NIL and the transfer portal did. Wow.

[@haroldkmayes3591]

I love Notre Dame, but if the same thing happened, I would have enough integrity to admitt and move on. But not Rich!

[@user-MrMike]

Will Rich ever say… “they CHEATED?”

[@k.s.nichols4060]

Michigan Men have trouble with being honest. They are liars because they haven't won a championship since before WWII.

[@T.R.75]

sorry if Harbaugh was such a good coach, why did he do nothing for so many seasons before last season, exactly when he got caught cheating? its a joke that youre doubling down on this. must just be coincidence.

[@jamietwigg5152]

18 players in the combine had nothing to do with it obviously 🙄

[@SR-hf3hx]

He won double digit games 4 times before this happened...5 out of 8 years he played Ohio state for the ball of wax...3x before this happened....he's a great coach this didn't happen overnight

[@DavidPetrous]

Agreed Rich. Michigan doesn’t need this to be a National Champion. They are better than this.

[@JS45678]

I hope that you enjoyed your last 3 years, Rich, because the next 30 are going to be awfully painful.

[@nbrockification]

lol, 30?

[@ericward1861]

I’m not sure OSU scoring on UM while knowing the plays is the argument Rich should make. Could very easily say that just shows that UM was not as talented and definitely would not have won games without the cheating

[@Kill3rwasp]

Chris was on point in this vid

[@mrbillyjackson]

If you are here wondering what Rich is going to say, you are as naive as they come.

[@musicman76enator]

Good Ole East Coast Bias FTW! Zing!

[@GOTAisMe]

Tainted

[@Biz613]

Vacate the entire season. Michigan cheated. Washington is the real champs.

[@tbyrdsr313]

Yeah ok 😂😂😂

[@KosisochiIfediba]

The “retired Nick Saban” line is so tired as so inaccurate. Michigans fans are really taking their only chance to talk out of their asses

[@AS12190]

Rich, how about you just sit this one out.

[@theknowitall4090]

You didn't need Connor Stalions? If not for him Mich has no chance last year. The national championship is a joke in 2023. Rules are rules. To try to justify cheating by saying players still have to make plays is BS. When those players KNOW what is coming then you have a huge advantage. It's not about "how effective" it was, it's about breaking the rules. Period.

[@ronaldthompson6246]

Wow, he started good and now he’s sounds just like all of them, smh. What he’s failing to realize is that you cheated and now it doesn’t matter if you won because everything has a question mark because no one knows if it helped or not. STOP MAKING EXCUSES.

[@garrettedwards7291]

Oh I forgot that they suspended Harbaugh for the 3 most important games of the regular season but people are saying Michigan wasn't punished. Got it

[@Churchboi49389]

It’s honestly wild to see how cheating has become comfortably nuanced when it comes to Michigan.

[@dougrockhold723]

How about this For 20 years you could not beat OSU but it took your school to cheat your a putz and a punk.

[@TalkingWithBob]

Ahh the high of that national title didn't last long now reality comes calling 😂😂

[@robertpesa4157]

That's why he talks about it every chance he gets......

[@goblue193]

They’re not taking the title away

[@user-hh5rn4jz6o]

Invoice now due

[@pickles_mcgickle6583]

Oooh goody another video of rich trying to justify the bs his school pulled

[@mikeamidon3021]

"I COUGHED UP MILLIONS AND WE STILL CHEATED!!!" Rich Eisen...

[@yeetmaestro575]

Where was this energy about deleted texts when Urban deleted his in 2018?

[@Stillwaters351]

Love this show, but it really is astounding how much Rich-usually one of the more levelheaded sports commentators out there-just totally loses any sense of rationality when it comes to this story. Of course that Michigan roster was incredibly talented. Of course they would have beaten OSU and won the national championship without cheating. That doesn’t take away from the simple fact that they cheated. The necessity or efficacy of their cheating has nothing to do with what consequences that the program and the people involved should face. And the whole “tell the NCAA to pound sand since they’re becoming irrelevant” is a truly wild take for a guy who always makes a point to highlight sportsmanship.

[@joeywars]

This my friends, is what we call a cope and seeth moment.

[@RSUPAL]

It was not only Connor Stalions, we do not know all the facts yet. I think the coaching staff knew too.

[@IAmTrash1995]

“They won’t take the championship!” Tell that to louisville basketball who is still trying to get theirs back

[@tbyrdsr313]

Two different situations

[@IAmTrash1995]

@@tbyrdsr313 yeah. Giving prostitution to recruits really influences wins

[@junehanzawa5165]

Rich needs to remember that New England won 3 Super Bowls knowing the other team's plays by filming their signals and plays. It was released for all to see. Filmed the signals then back to the field to film the plays.

[@garrettedwards7291]

*filmed during practice*

[@bcraner6082]

Translation: "We didnt cheat well enough, so we dont deserve punishment. I wish we did cheat better and were just never caught in the first place, but that didnt happen."

[@SunnyJoinAZ]

Insufferable!!!! THEY CHEATED!!!!!! Apparently your in the “anger” stage of grief

[@williambaine9626]

You didnt need him but didnt start winning until he was there... What a joke.

[@johnclark3378]

“Don’t want it! Don’t need it!” Bahaha. Clearly the coaches felt differently.

[@calebflynn9636]

Forfeit the season..Ohio state had to for basically NIL in 2010

[@Gr33n247]

Nobody cheats for fun.. Rich thinks people are dumb I guess

[@hariharnarayanswamy2314]

If your son cheats on a school test and is thrown out you can’t argue that the guy he cheated from anyways gave him the wrong answer. Cheating is just cheating. Rich grow up

[@stevenvox6549]

I would like to see more truth and honesty than denials and excuses for cheating and cover ups. It doesn't matter how long it takes to investigate if they can make more headway. Remember somebody had to pay the cost for the spying program. It's got to be in the football budget, if it was no big deal.

[@Thedog9]

How did Conner even end up on sidelines of other teams? Bro was the real life Jason Bourne

[@frankiegarcia1810]

They bout to take that trophy 😂😂😂

[@francisgerman1891]

They are not taking the trophy because the president of the cheating NCAA said no they won fair and square already. They pick and chose who to nail hard. That's why no set rules of violations.

[@drayiii980]

It'll never happen

[@IAmTrash1995]

@@drayiii980it’s possible. Louisville basketball lost theirs

[@drayiii980]

@@IAmTrash1995 Okay well maybe in a few years? No way they'd vacate a championship to render a season that JUST happened completely moot. It'd be in a few years when nobody cares anymore

[@IAmTrash1995]

@@drayiii980 that’s fair but people saying it won’t happen. It’s possible.

[@B32-h8u]

Possibly the worst argument I've ever read in response to cheating lol.

[@Plants28]

Most fanbases would be embarrassed. But not Michigan fans. They had 3 good years and now its all going to go back to normal. Michigan fans loved the covid year more than anyone because their team was built on it. Thats why they were so old

[@ended3326]

The rest of the UM coaching staff didn't have problem with Conor and the results of his "research". They sure kept him close to the OC and DC during games, watch the videos.

[@dam7467]

I’m glad this has happened to allow Rich to show his true character for the world to see… I now know everything I need to know about this guy 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@taharqa332]

Harbaugh should face some type of punishment. He runs from the Michigan like the coward he is and will get off while the school is penalized. Harbaugh is in the same lane as Brett Favre.

[@Ken-vf5cv]

You are correct Michigan did win all those games, but they were using an unfair illegal advantage provided by Hunter Stallion. There will be penalties and sanction handed down by the NCAA. I cannot see how you think Michigan won anything fair and square. You want to see if his pictures were any good! That is not the issue, those pictures well obtained illegally.

[@ColleenPhilpott]

Remember there is local video in ohio of him telling d cordanator the run right and amazing its a run right and then u can see the Michigan defense point pass on the sidelines don t think that ot doesn't t give u an huge advantage know pass or run if you don t then your only kidding your self

[@tyler-xi8wd]

And OSU still scored, so how did that give them an "advantage"

[@obibaddad1991]

Brockman "I don't think there's an if though. Something did happen." Well said.

[@scottcavanaugh9619]

Winning after the scheme stopped in 2023 doesnt mean the impact in 2021 and 2022 was small. The 2023 team was a much stronger team than the 2021 and 2022 teams.

[@RSUPAL]

Yes, please move on from Michigan. Let's talk about how the Oregon Ducks will dominate from now on!

[@DonnyJones-y6u]

MICHIGAN CHEATED. END OF STORY. They will get stripped and even if they don't nobody recognizes Michigan as champions or respects them.

[@hixfire23]

TCU knew Michigan had their signs. That’s why they pounded them. 🤷‍♂️

[@NaturalL0G]

“I want no part of Connor Stallions.” Too bad, it happened you homer.

[@PedroDeAlvarado81]

The irony of brockman (Pats fan) being exhausted by UM alumni defiance in the face of a conviction.

[@Gorillablack1333]

Conner is a hero we did need him we were in last place in other teams stealing our signs and he changed that, I’ll believe what the ncaa has when they prove it in a court of law

[@JackAsh2081]

Rich saying “root and branch” bothered me so much lol😂😂Root and Stem my good sir. Also, Talking about the quality of cheating is like saying a trespasser shouldn’t be charged because my dog scared them off before they stole anything. Or a bank robber who runs into the glass door and gets knocked out before they get away with the money. Sure they may not have gotten anything out of it but the act is still there. P.S. i guess I was wrong about root and stem but it still sounds off imo.

[@k.s.nichols4060]

It's annoying because there was no way to make the coaches and players forget all of the illegal information. He's too smart to pretend the three-year cheating ended.

[@JackAsh2081]

@@hotdangers interesting, I didn’t know that. I’ve always heard root and stem.

[@robertolopez1067]

"Didn't need him." Come on now, Rich....

[@THEGlassCity-BUCK]

If they didn't have stallions they would never touch a championship. And hairball loved him

[@kevinpowers2959]

And yet they won the last seven games of that championship season without him

[@k.s.nichols4060]

​@@kevinpowers2959That's silly. The whole point is that Stalions did illegal advance scouting for three years. The Cheaters had the signs. Your team's faux championship means nothing. Your team cheated. Michigan Men have no honor.

[@brianslone4273]

There's one thing that nobody talks about, every team they played after the reveal of cheating had to change their game plans/calls everything that was practiced since training camps and everyday practices all new playbooks. There is one team that didn't, guess who?

[@theomarceau8251]

You cannot tell me they didn’t have loads of information from early in the season on other teams. Doesn’t matter if it was “rooted out” during the garbage games early in the season. They still gained a competitive advantage from this scheme. Their program grew from winning against teams like Ohio State. Their players got awards for being in the right place at the right time in key games. You can’t tell me recruits see that success and don’t want to become a part of it. Everything Michigan has accomplished since Connor Stallions implemented his plan is tainted. Those wins need vacated. And if Moore was involved or had knowledge, he needs to go. This was so big that multiple Big Ten coaches complained to the conference. This was so big that they suspended Harbaugh for the league championship. Like it or not, Michigan fans, it IS a big deal. It IS unprecedented. And nothing about their success was “fair and square.” NCAA P didn’t want a scandal in his post season so he had to quench the flames a bit. It’s not in his control anymore.

[@Saidakine]

The issue is Harbaugh was not cooperative and basically giving the NCAA the middle finger in both investigations. If he was cooperative the recruiting violations would have been a nothing burger and the cheating violations would have gone away with minimal punishment. But I think TTUN will get hammered. I won’t be surprised if it comes soon as the season starts or Middle of this season.

[@quintinpayton9828]

I think more people think the cheating had a higher impact on 22 more than 23. They didnt need it in 23 but whether they needed it or not. Isnt the point. Cheating is cheating. Gold pants is a non factor compared to this.

[@robinette0V]

the fact that Ohio State was leading during games and that Ohio State scored on the play that shows Michigan players indicating it was going to be a pass; shows that Ohio State was the better team until they couldn't overcome the cheating of Michigan knowing what play is being called. Quit acting like that knowing the signs of the play called did not give Michigan an advantage.

[@Gr33n247]

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[@shizenatoryt2203]

Respect to brockman for this segment, you could tell he wasn’t sure what to say really and kind of went for it