Michigan Deer Regulations 2024 - Major Changes Discussion

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

LEAVE A COMMENT DOWN BELOW PLEASE, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION???????

[@billmarsh2941]

Michigan doesn't care about hunters they only care about $$ look at the state land they clear cut. Look at certain areas barely any deer but u can shoot what ever. Look at the crossbow rules so now bowhunters that are a special breed have to compete with gun hunters that only came to bow season cause of crossbows ruined my season and now there gonna ruin muzzle loading why even call it muzzle loader season mi is messed up

[@Dakodabonesteel]

​@@billmarsh2941so true I would love to see Michigan become a one buck state not forever but it definitely needs to happen for at least 3 years I haunt in mid-michigan I start my hunt on October 1st and I don't stop until haunt season's over and I maybe get one chance at a decent buck a year by chance I mean I see at least 1 big buck a year in a tree stand rather than that I have people walking app on top of me in really small dose I don't mind shooting those but I'm not going to waste a tag on a deer that my dog's bigger than I hunted private property for 3 years with the most 3 years I got 3 bucks that are a 130 inches now I haven't stayed land within the 5 to 6 years of hunted state land I've had one buck on camera that it's a 130 inches There are way too many hunters per property on state land which pushes all the deer on private

[@three003d]

Maybe they should make the whole month of November fire arm season

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

@@three003d Thats where we are heading....

[@DonBourdo]

Thanks, I need the improvement baiting again.

[@gerhardttravis8051]

This is a great breakdown and a great message.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

@@gerhardttravis8051 thanks for stopping by to watch!!!

[@coloyikes]

Just a suggestion Though I am 73 I still work full time I monitor 12 channels . It took you exactly 3:30 to say number 1. I just don't have that kind of time..

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Its a very long video I know... next one was shorter. Thanks for the constructive criticism! I love it, helps me dial in my content. Thanks again.

[@rickibutler1645]

100% agree and you had a great execution of your opinion. Thank you fellow Michigander

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Thanks for watching!!

[@Buckaluckuh]

This is super appreciated as someone trying to get into deer hunting. I totally agree btw, access is absolutely a barrier for me.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

@Roystoncreates yeah, its tuff to get anyone to allow permission

[@TheGreatLakesSportsman]

Great video

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Thanks for the visit

[@JosephBaker-v4j]

Great video and talk

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Glad you enjoyed

[@BrianO-h6d]

I am a hunter, I've lived in Michigan all my life, and I'm in my 50's. I used to shoot my share of deer, mostly does with an occasional buck each year. Do you want to know what changed? I'll tell you. Those controlling government have no idea what hunting is, have no idea how to manage it, see hunting as just another source of revenue, and don't want you to own guns anyway! 1) The decision to make SMALL GAME tags MANDATORY to purchase a DEER license! They saw our hunters as a source for taxation, a source of revenue, not that we the hunters, helped manage our resources. Money hungry politicians! 2) Substantial raise in the cost of licenses... INCLUDING DOE TAGS GOING FROM $5.00 each to $20.00 each. Again, just another source of revenue, not valuing the hunters. Money hungry politicians! 3) It used to be that when you shot a deer, you could go get it processed for $45.00-$50.00. What does it cost now? $85.00-$100.00 per deer. It's work and the processors earn it. I heard fellow employees at a major company where I worked say, "It costs so much to hunt and process deer nowadays, I'd rather just buy steaks from the grocery store for the same amount, and be done with it." I remember back in 1986, during firearm gun season, seeing a HERD of 40+ deer running in ONE big group, across farm ground in Zone 3. That''s when we started shooting does. We got the population under control. This new group of politicians running things should look back to see how they dealt with the deer population back then, with common sense regulations, instead of only seeing our hunters as a source of revenue for every pet project they have. The DNR should be controlled and run by common sense hunters, not bureaucrats. Common sense would tell you: 1) Lower tag prices for does. 2) Don't require a stupid SMALL GAME LICENSE for DEER HUNTING! 3) The costs are too high. Look for common sense ways to save hunters money, not charge them more. 4) When you're trying to get a new generation of hunters to start hunting, don't restrict youth hunts to does and no bucks. Common sense seems hard to come by these days! I appreciated your video. Thanks for your time.

[@ray-ph7wr]

you said it I've seen same things I'm 64

[@DavidRobinson-mx6cl]

I just turned 65 , seems like all the rules have changed so drastically , I believe your right !!!!! Getting harder every year to get out and enjoy the sport like we used to !!!!!

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

I agree with a lot of these points!!

[@eddievannewkirk4458]

Agree!

[@troybowmanjr7296]

It's $13 to get a small game tag thats hardly an inconvenience. Process your own deer, be self sustaining. I agree on the lower cost doe tags.

[@Breacher141]

Zone 1 here baby!

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

oh man! good luck hahaha

[@Breacher141]

@@MichiganGreatOutdoors Yeah, thanks. haha

[@loganweaver1489]

This was a very well articulated video!! I really enjoyed all of the input. I hunt in zone 2 on the north west side of the state. It is really hard to get anyone to shoot any does, which is a difficult watch. I totally agree with your mentality there!!

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Thanks for watching and the comments!! I appreciate hearing your point of view!

[@MrWhitcomb97]

I couldn't find anything to disagree with. Good video.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Thank you!

[@danschineman26]

I like the one buck state

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Id be down for that!

[@zowiefenderblast4602]

I'm from Chelsea, and saw my first velvet buck of the year about 2 weeks ago.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Shooter?

[@zowiefenderblast4602]

@@MichiganGreatOutdoors we had a record buck taken 2 yrs ago about 3 miles from my home.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

I believe it!!

[@DJsConstrictors]

We’re out in Brooklyn not too far from you in Ann Arbor. Good luck to ya this season bud!

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Thanks you too!

[@Huntingpublic123]

Hi man love the content love what you said I have recently been lucky enough to find a big patch of land that I got permission to hunt and I have managed the property for a while and now have a state record white tail deer

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

@owenpiper5857 That's super cool man.Happy you.I wish I could find something like that.... I've been on public landm, my whole life, and it's real tough....

[@benjaminthomason2672]

Hi. I like your video, and I agree with you on just about all of it, except about zone 2. I live in zone 2, and the way they do for doe management differs from county to county. For example, in Alpena county last year, you could get 12 doe tags for $5 each, but in Otsego county, you could only get 2 doe tags for $20 each. This is to encourage hunters to take does where they are over populated. On M32 that I drive for work on average, there are 3-4 does hit by cars each week. We have way to many does. Keep videos like this coming this had some good info in it.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

thanks for sharing that! I didnt realize the still did that. Thats the TB area right?

[@benjaminthomason2672]

@@MichiganGreatOutdoors they have had some cases of it. But I believe it isn't as bad as they make it out to be.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

yeah I would agree....

[@MrBillbuster]

A County in zone 2 is were my hunting property is, when we started the antler restrictions there we didn't like it, but after the 5th year we loved it, so many buck running around, we see 6s and 8s on a daily basis and 10s and up we hold out for, best thing they done for good bucks, everyone should be on board with the antler restrictions. It work!

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

They 100% work and should be done statewide IMO That sounds great but harvest numbers are down across the state, If we have low harvest numbers in the state this season again. I don’t think the NRC or DNR is going to change any rules that could potentially limit harvest or reduce tags sales, remember the bring in revenue from those tag sales… they want more deer taken, specially in zone 3

[@vicsingeorzan8375]

I agree with most of the comments here , I’m in my fifties ,reside and hunted deer in Michigan entire adult life on private and public land on all zones.I can tell there’s a difference in the last 15 years and not for the good. I remember when used to be a deer count at the bridge up to about 14/15 years ago and many deers were taken.Zone one is decimated by wolves(UP has about double the number of wolves that Yellowstone has)but still has good numbers of deer in two counties were I hunt on the gun season.Zone two has less and less deer due to increased predator populations and lots of hunting on public land and things need to change in a hurry before our deer hunting tradition becomes just a thing of the past .So I think us hunters we need to change the attitude,get more involved,accept the fact that needs to be a change in deer management and send a strong message to Lansing that they work for the people.My take is this: Zone one control the number of wolves (tell the feds to leave us alone) and one buck rule Zone two encourage more coyote hunting like putting bounty on their heads same like New Brunswick,Canada did in early nineties,one buck rule,harvest more does in some areas Zone three one buck rule,encourage doe harvest by reducing license prices,opening metro parks areas to hunting,more hunting access to private land through state lease similar to snowmobiling trails access and not paying for crop damage if land lords deny access for deer hunting.DNR has to take back hunting /trapping management from townships in the entire state and so on others,but us need to shut more does and let the bucks grow to be able to pass on some good genes.The tradition it’s hard to break,but I don’t think it’s satisfying to shut bucks that have antlers that look like hand fingers on top of the head and doe meat taste better anyway especially in the rut season .

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

These are all great recommendations, I wonder how we could really implement any of these, I think we have to start educating the public on these topics and hopefully the DNR can convince the NRC to make some changes...

[@timfoster7979]

$20 for a doe tag restricts the number of tags I will buy. Lower the cost and more does will be taken.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

@timfoster7979 I agree with that 100% these tag prices definitely hurt the bank on top of deer processing fees are getting outrageous

[@timfoster7979]

The state should try 2 or three does on a ticket for $20.

[@SouthCanada]

just across the border in ontario canada, we pay $48.36 per deer tag, $20 is a fart in the wind

[@TwW1178]

@@SouthCanada No offense, but saying "It's worse in Canada" doesn't make it more appropriate. Attempting to profit from hunters looking to help the population problem is unethical. It also just serves to worsen the problem by disenfranchising the ever-decreasing hunter population.

[@tacomaland1557]

Bro you hit the nail on the head. I jumped on the lease game this year and it’s the best opportunity I’ve ever had in my entire life. Public is absolute garbage for deer hunting.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

I wish I could afford a lease, if you dont mind me asking how much do you pay?

[@joshblackburn8471]

This entire video was 100% spot on.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Thank you, I appreciate that! Will do some more soon but keep them shorter.

[@Gr8tLakesHuntnFish]

You got my subscription. Do not try to adjust to meet the youtube narrative. Old school type hunting videos are very much needed in this platform of people only hunting giant bucks. That's fun to watch but not realistic for most hunters. Look forward to viewing your continued content. Straight Arrows.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Thanks for watching! good luck this season!!

[@Gr8tLakesHuntnFish]

@MichiganGreatOutdoors you too buddy

[@zowiefenderblast4602]

We have hurds of 50+ in my area of washtenaw county.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

I believe it cause I see it! The main issue is there isn’t enough hunting access for most hunters.

[@zowiefenderblast4602]

@@MichiganGreatOutdoors ...and I've been hearing the local news talk about wasting disease. I have yet to see a deer with it in my area.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

supposedly it happens

[@Mike_squarebeefarms]

I appreciate you taking the time to out this all together. Looks like lots of changes coming for us hunters.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

You bet, good luck this season!

[@rg8249]

I enjoyed your commentary and agree with a lot of what you said. A good view on why they decided to make the Liberty hunt antlerless only. I hunt both zones two and three and have seen the increase in antlerless tags in zone two the last several years when there was not the antlerless deer numbers to support that. You do not see a lot of deer in many areas there and hunters were shooting does then complaining of not seeing deer the next year. The DNR only gives the rope, the hunters got to be smarter and not hang themselves. One thing I don't like is the any legal firearm during muzzleloader. I asked a DNR CO about that and he said it's about opportunity. I thought get a muzzleloader then if they want opportunity. That said, I think a good compromise is you can use any legal firearm, but can only shoot bucks in the muzzleloader with an actual muzzleloader.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Yeah, these blanket regulations for the whole state just don’t work… I know a guy who lives up in northern Michigan he shoots every deer he can every year cause he needs to fill his freezer, they changed the rule to 10 doe tags up in zone 2 a few years ago and he filled every tag, now hes complaining he aint seeing any deer. Its laughable, like what did you think was going to happen when you live in a very low deer density area. The deer have to be managed differently in certain areas.

[@paulrettig1507]

The harvest has always been reported through the processors. Very few hunters process their own.

[@TimPfenninger]

I found your channel by accident. When I saw the topic concerning deer hunting changes I had to check it out. You did an awesome job going through everything. I am 68 years old and have hunted fished and camped Michigan longer than I can remember. I hunted public land until the last few years. M y son purchased a small farm which has some good numbers of deer. Does mostly. All deer hunters need to more does. We have charity organizations that can distribute version to the hungry. I appreciate your time and help and for this video. Please do more. I agree that data needs to be collected so we can make intelligent decisions for the future. There's no reason Michigan is not a destination state. Let's follow the data. Look at Ohio. We are not that much different. Keep your channel going for the future of our hunting. Thank you, Tim

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Tim! thanks for the thoughtful response, the reactions to this video have been incredible to be able to learn so much from everyone else!! good luck to you this season!

[@hickerbilly1973]

Great video. Thanks for taking the time to inform us. I hunt both private and public and private land in zones 2 and 3. I think when the farmers figured out they could make money leasing made it hard for the younger hunters to get interested in hunting because of the lack of access to desent hunting properties.I trade work for access on private land because I can't justify what these properties cost to lease. There needs to be more hunter access in southern MI. Also to hard to get kids interested in hunting and actual learning to hunt and not spoon fed because of the lack of access, ambition, good mentors,and the price of equipment. I believe the does only for youth season is the only good decision the NRC made. I'm not happy with the decision they made to only allow does only for Liberty and disable hunters. What a slap in the face to these hunters that might not be able to get out and hunt the colder or harsher conditions of the later seasons because of their abilities Unfortunately the area I hunt mostly in southern Michigan never rebounded from the EHD several years back. I don't see that many does mostly bucks crusing. Not the numbers I used too. No change to property or surrounding properties or hunting pressure.Last year the property only held 3 does that I woud see almost every hunt. But do see areas down here that are over run with deer. I would love to see the state to go to a 1 buck rule. Not fond of the APR . Some areas the genetics aren't there. I have seen several older bucks, 3 to 4 year olds with racks that aren't within regs and probably won't ever amount to anything in western zone 2 in APR areas but still breeding and spreading there genetics.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Thanks for the response! Access is a major problem for me personally, I have to hunt public land, which is fine but its hard to take the kids out and have success on it. I could go either way on the doe only on the youth hunt, its fine but I dont think it matters tha t much, The disabled hunters thouh, making it buck only is a slap in the face! Id love to see 1 buck as well I just dont think it will happen given the current population of deer. I am in favor of antler point restrictions across zone 3 and 2, it is shown to help. I think we need to really focus on doe harvest in zone 3 but we have major access problems in this zone. How can the DNR help create more access for hunters in zone 3 to help curb the large doe populations? Unfortunately, I don’t think the NRC or DNR is going to change any rules that could potentially limit harvest or reduce tags sales, remember the NRC/DNR bring in revenue from those tag sales… and they want more deer taken, especially in zone 3 so limiting potential harvests seems counterproductive to the end goal of reducing the herd.

[@Bonrad22]

Thanks for this video. I’m newer to hunting…wasn’t raised with it. I turned hiking into hunting. I prescribe to mobile hunting and putting in the time pre and post season. I’m in zone 3 and have walked most of the state land within 1.5 hours of where I live and have hunted I. A few places zone 2. I agree with your point of view. There’s so many hunters on public. It’s tough to find a little gem that is worth putting time into. Tagging does is what keeps me going. It keeps meat in my freezer. Seeing a pope n young buck in MI seems to be a dream. 2 mil deer is a stretch but we def have a huge urban/suburban population. I’ve seen plenty of 12-14 pt bucks in farmington hills. Dreamland buck quality in MI could be attainable and hunters should have more say and play in how the DNR manages. Deer control and hunting restrictions should be regulated by county groups bc populations vary so widely. But how much control do we want to hand over to the Govt? Maybe we should have county regs that help voice the opinion of hunters for the area they reside and typically hunt…

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Its nice to see your journey from hiking to hunting and now managing some doe populations!! I can assure you that if you keep learning and grinding you will see some P Y bucks in michigan public, they are here just hard to get on. Lots of mega giants in farmingron and Livonia just goes to show you that Michigan can produce some giant bucks, we need some politc free management by the NRC and DNR, you can see from the comments in this video that there are lots of different opinions on this matter.

[@fessenden3337]

I hunt lapear and Oakland county mainly private and puplic, agree with everything you say, in my 5 years of hunting so far I’ve only ever killed 2 bucks, one is 2020 and one in 2022, I try to go after decent bucks and let em grow but, you know how it goes here in Michigan when people have 2 tags, wish we had 1 I do belive everyone would see better deer and enjoy it more

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Unfortunately, I don’t think the NRC or DNR is going to change any rules that could potentially limit harvest or reduce tags sales, remember the NRC/DNR bring in revenue from those tag sales… and they want more deer taken, especially in zone 3 so limiting potential harvests seems counterproductive to the end goal of reducing the herd.

[@fessenden3337]

@@MichiganGreatOutdoors i get that 100%, were I am the deer population is crazy, there are like 10 fields within 10 mins from my house drive, and at 8:30 everynight I go scout all of em and there was prolly at least 550-600 deer in all those fields, been seeing a handful of giants tho, I got a picture of a 5 1/2 year old buck that you could swear its from IOWA LOL, crazy big 150-160 in 10 point I get it’s not a 200 but for Michigan it was a TANK

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

I beleive you 100% get in there and get him this fall!!!!

[@johnnylittle7356]

Hey brother just watched the video. I live in Willis/augusta township. I hunt my own private property. Thanks for the info

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Thanks for watching! I'm not too far from you!

[@Shannon0hh]

You should go to public meetings with this information and your opinion is a voice for many others.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Next meeting is August 8th in the morning in Detroit, I wanted to go but I cant get off work....

[@Shannon0hh]

@@MichiganGreatOutdoors I hear that. Smh. Can't afford to call in neither with, good ole Bidenomics lbVs

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Hopefully it changes this november!!!

[@RKLIFE17]

Public land near Ann Arbor, much respect. That’s a different breed, avoiding people and trying to get into bedding areas

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

@@RKLIFE17 I travel some far distances to hunt from Ann Arbor area

[@RKLIFE17]

@@MichiganGreatOutdoors wish you and I could bowhunt in Ann Arbor as opposed to paying sharpshooters. I’d still donate some of the meat. Would not be hard to close a park during the week and have special tags for us.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

@@RKLIFE17 let's contact the city!!

[@RKLIFE17]

@@MichiganGreatOutdoors unrelated question: you ever found a Paw Paw on public land?

[@no6hunter]

Thanks for explaining it all!

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

@@no6hunter absolutely, thanks for watching!

[@chuckhunter1410]

You hit a key point about zone 3! You talked about driving around and seeing a shit load of deer in the field! Well for the most part that's a huge parcel of land that's private owned and only 2 or 3 family members hunting it! These land owners have the mentality of MY deer and it's a lot of the problem. I remember a time when you could stop and ask to hunt and usually even if for just that day would get a yes! Now it's a hard no or you have to sign a lease and fork out money to hunt. Im lucky and have a couple of private land places to hunt but most don't!

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Yup!! I have zero permission properties.... Ive asked a ton of guys too and its always a stern no!

[@chuckhunter1410]

Even my brother in law who has 400+ acres won't let my brothers and I hunt because he's afraid we will shoot a bigger buck than he does 🙄 he will not shoot does either! it's insane and he claims to be a Republican! All this KZbin and social media crap these days about being a trophy hunter is ruining it to. It's about family and filling the freezer with delicious venison and doing our part to keep the heard in check. I took 6 deer last year and donated two to the food bank! That's the American way😎👊

[@davidjarvis6741]

Good young doe taste way better then any buck.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

I love a nice 2 year old doe 😌

[@michaelmaviglia2757]

8% of 500,000 hunters is still another 40,000 bucks. If we want more mature bucks I would think it would help to keep those 40,000 bucks per year alive. I really appreciate all the info.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Thanks for watching!!

[@scrooge99001]

I agree with some of your assessments. I hunt mostly zone 2, but live and occasionally hunt in zone 3 so am effected by regulations in both. I agree, and def know guys who only harvest bucks. They aren't helping.. But i also know guys who are filling freezers with whatever opportunities are provided to them. I hunt in an ARZ, and have seen the improvement in antler quality and size since [but it has taken many YEARS to see results]. It has down sides too, and can often promote small bucks if you arent able to cull the smaller bucks genetics off of your land [my friend has had nothing but spikes and forks on his 80 achers up there for years cuz anything slightly bigger gets hammered by neighbors, smaller than 3 on a side and you can't shoot it].. i would guess, some of the imbalance in numbers of bucks vs does reported also comes from the way they demand we report them now. Its a coin flip if guys i talk to even report their doe harvest at all and several have said they only logged their bucks because they were taking them to the taxidermist. I understand the "need" to track them, but in a world/market filled with guys who prefer to be left alone i feel they are barking up the wrong tree. Make it so they report the zone it was harvested in or something, and remove the GPS pin stuff and I bet they would get more guys to participate/log their deer. I think there are still far too many deer in zone 3, but believe a lot of things come into play as to why.. From the over reach and constant changing regulations last min as well as a lack of desire from our current youth in outdoor activities. The added cost for ammo [and gear] to practice with and then hunt with definitely doesn't help. When a hunting round cost $2.25+ea to shoot, you can't practice as often meaning we have less accurate hunters in the woods, but also means its gets to be more cost prohibitive for many. I can also say from experience, that property owners in general are far less willing to allow you to hunt vs how it was when I was a kid hunting in MI. Most people say no these days, or want astronomical prices to gain access to hunting rights. I understand it from there aspects, but from a hunting side it takes the fun out of scouting new property and looking for new opportunities. As a dad, I am constantly looking for ways to get my kids involved in outdoor sports. The constant changes to laws and regulations are hard to keep up with for those of us who pay attention. It is near impossible and overwhelming for new people trying to get into the sport. IMHO; Our sport needs less regulation, more promotional stuff at the school levels to get youth interested early and more opportunities for kids to have positive interactions with DNR officers would all pay dividends towards improving hunting for us all.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Well I agree with the GPS thing and the pin, I don’t put mine on the exact location, but within 5 miles and in the same county, they don’t need to know the exact spot. So I totally agree with you on that point, I also agree with you on getting kids involved in the shools and early on in life, however with Michigan leaning to more the democratic (blue) side for state voting I don’t see that happening anytime soon. Its not on the liberal agenda, in my opinion.

[@lloydeduncan3861]

Point restrictions!!!!!! We up in Zone 2 have already seen a big change in deer quality, more doe tags on private property, where there is no access

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Im all for it! Statewide!!

[@assault8005]

I'm live in Ohio. I hunt Michigan every year I always have. I do agree on one buck per hunter. Ohio has bigger bucks for sure.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Yes, Ohio is run very well!!

[@jaryjensen66]

It’s difficult to change trends such as trying to once again increase deer hunter numbers. Once people choose another hobby or leave hunting it’s difficult to get them back. Usually, something has to become easier to enjoy before a change in trend can be realized. A very controversial topic is baiting. While many people believe that it’s not needed, it does allow someone to see many more does on a smaller, and not necessarily agricultural, piece of property. It made it easier for someone to see more deer, feel the excitement of that animal being close, etc. And for someone to believe that they could recover the costs of the sport. I don’t know any other easier way to recruit more hunters, than to allow baiting.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Yeah this makes a lot of sense, I just don’t understand why they are so obsessed with the baiting ban, It doesn’t seem to be a problem in a lot of other states that allow baiting, if they really wanted to have people be able to harvest more deer allowing bait would drastically up people success rates IMO. Baiting is the easiest way for someone to be able to harvest a deer. If had great success targeting larger bucks with bait as well deep in the swamp, you just have to setup the bait the right way. Thanks for the thoughtful response!

[@waynepitchford3950]

I watched all of the video. Eight years or so I was looked down on by some of the hunting community for saying I'd shoot a nice deo before a basket rack buck. The introduction of QDM , let them go let them grow . Back then I told a couple hunting friends of mine QDM is BS!!! Your big bucks get lazy and don't have to fight for does to bread so your scrubs get to do the work. You cut down doe population (that should've been the thoughts at the start) your big ducks (taadeedaa pinky out) will then do they're jobs. You know big buck (taadeedaa) genetics also make cow does. I do like what you said, makes sense, positions will never understand that

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Ya know the last several years I havent saw much of a rut, Heck If I look back into say 2018 was the last real heavy rutting activity ive saw in the woods. I think it has a lot to do with the buck doe ratio in my area, there is 10 does to 1 buck so the bucks dont have to rut anymore, they dont have to seek anymore, there not running all of the woods to find does, I hunt the bedding areas. The does are seeking the bucks in the rut.... Its not the same as it used to be in my area.

[@robertweller2662]

I will comment on several items. First though, I would like to say good job on the video and discussion of these rule changes and your opinions. Here are my thoughts. I am 49 years old and have hunted primarily in zone 3 since I was 15. The majority of my hunting has been done on private land and all of my deer have been harvested on private land. I think the decline in hunters has to do with several items. One people have fewer children than they used to have. 2 people seem to be less interested in getting outside with all of the things there are to do online. I mean seriously, people won’t even leave their homes to go shopping or to work if they don’t have to. 3 and this is my opinion, We have ruined deer hinting. There are more people today that buy up land to hunt it for themselves than ever in history. One guy will buy 200 acres and not let another sole on it. That same guy won’t shoot a deer if it’s not a 150 inch deer and then will complain about a neighbor that owns 20 acres shooting a 110 inch 2.5 year old buck. The days of being proud of a 1.5 year old eight point are long gone. Kids see that too. Lots of kids out there are being told not to shoot a 1.5 year old 6 point because their dad or other mentor wants it to grow up and so he can shoot it for himself in another year or two. I too have laid waste to many doe in the past and have taken my limit several times to do my part. I’m slowing down and don’t shoot as many as I used to. I have no problem with shooting them and no problem with others shooting them either. So many people have become consumed by wanting the big buck that they have forgotten all about the tradition of deer hunting. Far fewer shots are heard every opening day than when I was a kid. Nobody wants to spook of a buck because they shot a doe on opening day and what if the neighbor gets mad because someone shoots a small buck or doe and disturbs the woods for everyone. I agree with the one buck tag or the idea of an earn a buck program. However I doubt it will ever happen. It all comes down to revenue. The state is not going to limit anyone to one buck when the majority of hunters buy a combo tag every year. I did find it very interesting to hear the part about only 8% of hunters fill the second combo tag. I am probably guilty of that one more years than not. All good stuff and great conversation topics. I do think making Michigan a destination state is a slippery slope. Especially for those that have problems accessing land already. If Michigan gains popularity and draws hunters from out of state, that will do a few things that will hurt the local resident hunters. One of those things is hunters leasing properties will have more. Competition for the lease that they currently have as big Money will follow those out of state hunters and drive up lease prices. Out of state hunters will also start competing with locals to purchase land as it becomes available. I would say be careful what you wish for on that one. I’ve been blessed and very fortunate to have been able to harvest several 2.5 year old bucks and a few 3.5 year old bucks too. Never been one to have them professionals scored or any of that but going by the ones I have scored, my largest to date is close to 130-140 inches gross. All local deer from the area I live in. Most of them are 110-120 gross. Nothing to be ashamed of. Oh and don’t be too hard on those boomers. Many of them have just reached the point of life when they are happy to just sit in the blind and take a nice nap with no care in the world of shooting or even seeing a deer. After all it’s called recreation. Happy hunting and good luck.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Honestly this is probably the best comment on this thread and really hits home hard with me, you really hit the nail on the head on several topics!! Thank you for taking the time out of your day to type such a good response, really opened my eyes to a few things I didn’t even think about!! Thanks and good luck to you this year! - Polack

[@robertweller2662]

@@MichiganGreatOutdoors I'm happy to discuss further. If you are interested in doing more follow up to this video let me know. I have my own channel as well. Not about hunting although it has crossed my mind.

[@ronsmall2670]

I love the change in the youth hunt, and as far as everything else, they’re just trying to eliminate all the deer changing muzzleloader to every rifle you’re trying to eliminate the deer

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

they want more deer harvested.

[@edwinegar]

The best comment you made was, "I don't know". I believe that to be true.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Do you know?

[@winchester7mm]

I would be more than glad to help the DNR with reporting. BUT...the only Interaction I had with a DNR officer-he was the most unprofessional POS I have ever ran into. We do need a one -buck rule and maybe better land access like South Dakota.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

That’s so unfortunate… Ive ran into the DNR like 3 times in my life and they were always super cool. Ya know they checked my license but that was it.

[@kevinking7945]

39:20 reduce the price of the doe license would encourage me to get another doe license

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

I agree! Earn a doe! for better price!

[@JakesCarts24]

im near central mi and in zone 2.. its loaded with deer.. just about any feild at dusk and spot a min of 5 deer in each field while doing 60 down the high way.. i came on on a herd crossing one night around midnight i counted around 65 but i think it was probably closer to 100.. im just glad i spotted them before i took out a handfull at once.

[@JakesCarts24]

With the public land population booming i agree it does make it much less enjoyable.. I believe the society is changing becoming less social and less likely to let someone they don't know on their land. Also work in reverse, Hunters not willing to ask for permission.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Yes, I see the same in a lot of areas I hunt, just down the street on the private ground where nobody is allowed to hunt. There is one spot that plants alfalfa or something like that and the deer just hammer it, you can drive by and see 40-50 deer in bow season in the back of that field and nobody hunts it, them deer know where to go to be safe…..

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Id agree with that point, maybe some bad hunters gave them a bad taste in their mouths too from back in the day.

[@miwinterdays6707]

I have been hunting the northern lower state my whole life. I know where the deer are in zone 1 but I have no access anywhere. So northern public is my only choice. I cannot tell you how many times I have run into other hunters on public land. Even when I do my best to get far away. Access to heavily populated deer areas has always been a problem for me.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Its tuff on public land in Michigan, the only success ive had is in swamps

[@steveengle5558]

I will begin to help the DNR when the NRC get there fingers out of hunting and game regulation.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

I dont think thats going to happen any time soon.

[@steveengle5558]

@@MichiganGreatOutdoors probably not! Not until we get whitmer out of office!

[@southpaul48135]

Most of Michigan current politics are against us owning gun

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Do you believe its now bleeding into our hunting heritage?

[@southpaul48135]

@MichiganGreatOutdoors yes sir I do I believe we're heading down the path of California.

[@southpaul48135]

Jamie tomson mi rep doing a interview tonight on KZbin with 2a edu about some new gun control being pushed in Michigan she the repisentive for Taylor monroe

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Thanks I will check it out!!

[@anthonymuma4602]

That's why hunters need to vote. There are 10's of thousands of hunters and gun owners that are not registered to vote

[@dennybuchler2404]

You need to look into damage control deer as well. The farmers also get block permits which allows them to shoot everything they see. I've heard of some farmers getting 40 block permits. That's 40 deer not including there regular licenses... seen one family get 40 permits per family members. Most of the deer were stacked and wasted. So we need to make sure these are properly regulated and recorded.. alot of farmers won't let others hunt their land because they think it takes away from their families... All I care about is trying to fill my freezer for food.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

yeah< maybe ill ask around to some of the farmers!!

[@RonLynch-hx6nq]

I believe as usual ,michigan has regulated the hell out of hunting in michigan. For me it was when dnr ,made it you must buy a small game in order to deer hunt .and i haven't small game sense the pheasant went away.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Yeah the whole base licence thing is kind of dumb to me but I do it.. Cause I have to

[@frankzappa9853]

Another major issue I didn't even realize was a problem, I stopped in at my local butcher shop and noticed he has probably 10 white tail antlers on his wall, so I asked his wife if they where going to sell venison and of course the answer was no, they are not certified for selling venison, but hey, the DNR wants me harvesting does, being able to sell a doe to a butcher would be huge incentive to get guys out hunting does.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

They cant allow deer to be shot to be sold… they would decimate the population in weeks…. This can never happen…

[@frankzappa9853]

@MichiganGreatOutdoors you do have a point, I would argue it's exactly what's needed.

[@frankzappa9853]

@@MichiganGreatOutdoors you pointed out yourself they're going to end up hiring sharpshooters who will leave the animals where they are shot

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

@frankzappa9853 they don't leave them, meat gets donated to soup kitchens

[@frankzappa9853]

@@MichiganGreatOutdoors that's good more then I expected from them. Do they get to use rifles or are they restricted like us?

[@DanielLake-k3m]

This is the best video I have seen on the new regs. You nailed the issues. No access in Zone 3, why have zone if they are not going to be used, and APR-improve the quality of bucks. I mainly hunt in Zone 2 in an APR county. APR has increased the age class of bucks. Thanks for the video and thoughtful analysis.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

@DanielLake-k3m thank you 😊 I appreciate that!!

[@scottwaroquier4602]

Great job much appreciated. I'm a new follower of your channel. Thanks for your hard work.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Welcome aboard! And thank you!

[@OpenAirAdventures18]

I have two different private land properties I hunt, they are 20 miles apart and the one is all woods and we will see 5 bucks to one doe (usually the bucks are 1.5 years old) the second property is all fields and not much woods and we will see 20 does to 1 buck but those bucks are 2.5 to 3.5 year old, idk what the difference is but it’s crazy how different it can be not far apart.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Just goes to show you they both desire different habitat and security cover to survive.

[@justinadams159]

Preach brother I can tell you actually hunt Michigan AND care about the deer herd. Thank you for your message.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Thank you sir!!!

[@nicholaswhitt1886]

Ive lived in michigan for 10 years now and im finally getting back out to go hunting i live in metro detroit and totally wouldnt mind hunting does its meat on the table. Im really interested in the urban archery hunt i need more info on that

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Feel free to message me on IG or Facebook.

[@petermastrangel546]

Close the metro parks for two weeks have a lottery morning’s and evenings Not enough public land In zone 3

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Id BE ALL FOR THIS!!!!!!!!!!

[@TrappingTheMitten-JohnHowell]

Excellent video thank you so much for the information. I agree with almost everything you said. I do believe the car insurance lobbyists are working hard to adjust the harvest to their needs. The zone ideas you put forth are spot on. I have hunted in all three zones most of my life and can tell you that I see more deer in zone 3 than either of the other two zones together. While I'm fortunate that I have private property to hunt in zone 3, I also see many deer on public land. As far as hunting opportunities and the number of hunters on public land in zone 3, again you are correct. I noticed this about 5 years ago. There was a cloud of hunters, especially during bow season, on the public land in our area (Livingston County). Thanks again, look forward to the next video

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Thanks, I appreciate the comments, yeah in my areas the public lands get absolutely hammered in bow season. It seems like by gun season it really tapers off and come December there isn’t hardly any hunters out.

[@jusduky56]

Very good Video!! You're absolutely right. Our two major issues are the need to harvest more does and the lack of private property access is the second huge issue. Finding a good private owned property for deer hunting is very difficult as you stated. There needs to be more effort by the DNR to expand access to private lands through their HAP program. Maybe they need to increase the incentives for private property owners. I live near lots of private farms and have had great difficulty obtaining access for deer hunting. I see deer within a couple hundred feet of my home and there are many causing accidents. I will continue to hunt on state land which I do have quite close to me but farmers should be taking advantage of hunters who are willing to take does to reduce their crop damage. Thanks for your report!

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

What im seeing is a farmer might have 200 acres and cousin Johnny wants to hunt it, so being family of course he gets first dibs, well cousin johnny wants to shoot big bucks and doesn’t want anyone else hunting the land cause he’s family and should get dibs first. So johnny tells Uncle Willy hey I want to hunt the farm exclusively and willy says I don’t care and then Johnny is the only one hunting and doesn’t shoot the does cause he wants the bucks to come into the property for the does and he also doesn’t wanna stink up the property chasing down does he shot so then it becomes a doe safe haven and an almost protected property, cousing Johhny shoots his wall hangar buck and maybe a doe in gun season to get his meat and hes happy. The land owner doesn’t care about crop damage from the deer because hes not the farmer in most cases, most of the time he is leasing the property. Not all cases but a lot I think. Thanks for watching and your thoughtful response!!

[@tomgensel4134]

You said Tuscaloosa for Tuscola a couple of times.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

@@tomgensel4134 I know hahahaha

[@momislazy]

The roads are so bad here that if you bring a camper to go hunting in the woods your equipment is going to break down

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

The roads are trash!! hahahaha

[@kirksamson9762]

I think we should go 1 buck only

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

I just don’t think the DNR or NRC more so is going to do anything that could negatively impact harvest numbers, or tag sales. Bottom line is they want more deer taken and they need the tag sales to continue to bring revenue in. If we go 1 buck make them but 1 doe tag as well is my vote.

[@littlewoody5539]

The auto insurance companies are running the DNR There’s a lot of trophy bucks in zone three but a lot of them are private land and that you can’t hunt . I live in Livonia there’s trophy bucks running around my neighborhood every October

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

oh yeah I know all about Livonia!! Big buck haven!

[@arcticgriz20]

I think the deer population in Michigan is just about right except the UP and that’s due to Wolves and cougars

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

I think zone 3 has to many and zone 2 is much less to the point where its not enjoyable for a lot of people to hunt anymore.

[@kennynash2777]

So are you saying that I can use a 30-30 30-06 End Zone 3 of Michigan during Muzzleloader season

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

@kennynash2777 no, u can in zone 2 not zone 3

[@normankaster917]

Totally agree bud, your rant is the same as mine 💯

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Will it ever change??

[@normankaster917]

@@MichiganGreatOutdoors I honestly don't think things will turn around for the traditions of hunting it's all about the coin... All we can do is point out the crazy stuff that tries to get slipped in the back door and hope others get the message, and know how to reach out to the proper people.... Instead of going on taking about everything they hate about this that or the other to their buddies on the Michigan sportsman's forum. I live in st. Clair Co and it's getting nuts trying to gain any hunting rights so I'm not really on board with the Jan. Archery hunt, that's not going to be taking anymore deer because most around here don't go out after opener anyway so basically they could open deer hunting all the way into March and it won't change a thing because there's no "want" to get out into the woods. And the ones that do have the "want" are not allowed hunting rights. I've asked all over around me about it and it's always a hard NO.

[@eddievannewkirk4458]

I don't think APR's or one buck would affect the deer herd as much as people think only like 5-8 % of hunters in MI fill both tags and APR's only protect 1 year old bucks which most hunters pass on spikes and one year old bucks anyway and the less one year old the more food and less competition for the bigger bucks to grow even older and bigger.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

I know the people in counties that have implemented APR’s have enjoyed seeing better bucks in the area, its also better IMO for the herd to have a higher age class of bucks. I am in favor of antler point restrictions across zone 3 and 2, it is shown to help. I think we need to really focus on doe harvest in zone 3 but we have major access problems in this zone. How can the DNR help create more access for hunters in zone 3 to help curb the large doe populations?

[@edfeldpausch7169]

I'm in my mid fifties. Have been a hunter with my parents since age 10. The gun grabbing politicians in bed with the big insurance companies have destroyed a family tradition for many low income michiganders. The fees and forced licenses have increased at an insane rate. I can remember doe tags at 3 dollars each. 25 dollars for a complete license. With the insane increase in processing you are looking at 300.00 plus per animal. They are driving the hunters away at an alarming rate. I have been a meat hunter and never a trophy hunter my entire life. Feed the family first then go for the trophy. Make it affordable again and the hunters will return. I personally know at least a dozen hunters that have left the sport on costs alone. Why in the world force a small game tag when 90 percent of the hunters that are forced into these tags ever step foot in the woods for small game. I've hunted myself 40 plus years and have small game hunted twice. It's just not my thing. Taxation without representation.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

The small game base license made zero sense to me, I do wish they would remove that but it brings in additional monies.

[@TwW1178]

@@MichiganGreatOutdoors unless people quit hunting. You can't tax a decreasing population fast enough to prevent the resultant decrease in revenue. It's the same model CA uses to tax its (working) citizens, which unsurprisingly is now dwindling.

[@66jujubear]

A lot of common sense in this video! I'd love to see MI go to "earn a buck"!

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

@@66jujubear Thank you for watching!!!

[@CookeSonsCarpentry]

Deer population in Macomb, Lapeer and Genesee Counties are nuts

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

@@CookeSonsCarpentry they are, how is the public hunting access?

[@melvinlantz9572]

I only buy doe tags. I don't care about antlers. I'm only in it for tge venison.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Does are delicious!!

[@troybizeau5979]

the UP have way to many wolfs if you would like to know

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Thanks, Ive heard many stories about the wolves and harsh winters and lack of farmland crops to sustain the deer population. Many issues up north I don’t want to speak on because I don’t fully understand a lot of the issues.

[@troybizeau5979]

@@MichiganGreatOutdoors the thing of it is youth hunt has been going on to long and doe hunting. the way the tag system is . they need to go back to the way it was one tag for bow and one for gun like it used to be and no doe hunting. they had to stop doe hunting back in the 60s and did not bring it back until the mid 80s because the deer heard was way down

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Unfortunately, I don’t think the NRC or DNR is going to change any rules that could potentially limit harvest or reduce tags sales, remember the NRC/DNR bring in revenue from those tag sales… and they want more deer taken, especially in zone 3 so limiting potential harvests seems counterproductive to the end goal of reducing the herd.

[@jeffpops5290]

39 MI hunter. I would like to see MI move to a APR myself. I hunt public and see 85% 1-1.5 year old bucks mid MI. I wanna see a better age class of bucks. I pass on anything less than a 6pt personally but that’s just me. I look for 3+ yo or take a doe for the meat.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Yeah Id love to see it happen to but I doubt it will anytime soon.

[@outoftheordinary3594]

100% agree. From talking to lot of people the big issue is a lot of hunters only want to shoot 1-2 deer a year but they have tons of acres to hunt so only taking 2 deer off does nothing for the land. A lot of people just don’t want to deal with taking care of a doe after the shot. I think dnr should put up donations centers, I guarantee the doe harvest will go up and if they do some kind of discount for every deer that’s donated people would be more inclined to shoot doe’s. I live in Kalamazoo so hard to get private land access, over crowded stateland and tons of deer is what I’m used to. Love the video

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Unfortunately, I don’t see this getting any better and I see it getting worse. So allowing donations might be the way to go… Id hate to see it if it continues to get worse….

[@Usonian7]

I had a boss a couple years ago, take 7 deer off a corporate 200 acre property in South Grand Rapids. They wanted it with a bow and with no one seeing him so employees would cry.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

lucky guy!! how do we sign up for that!!!

[@gregweever5895]

Should also have a 4 points on one side rule also, except for kids, kids get a pass on everything.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

im all for it!!

[@michaelmiller4470]

If only 8% capitalize on 2 buck harvest anyway, don’t take away my gun season excitement f I get a buck during archery season. Thats my opinion.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

@@michaelmiller4470 that's a good point!!

[@williammccaslin4557]

Alot of people can't afford the price of the deer license now days. It is ridiculous! If they can't afford the license they can't hunt legally! But they still need to eat!

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

prices have gone up! I try and save up all year for gas and tags for deer season!

[@twothreefour234]

Southwest of Lansing we are lousey with deer. Private land that used to be open is common due to disrespectful hunters. Driving deer and shooting anything and everything that presents itself have turned off many landowners. As far as the bucks go, you cant eat antlers. Meat hunters shouldnt suffer for trophys

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

yeah... all deer meat tastes good.

[@matthewtrapp7756]

Michigan still has no fault insurance where people pay 5 times more for insurance than someone in Indiana. Don’t underestimate the power of the insurance industry.

[@Nate_dew]

This is just an opinion but the youth hunt to me is early to only hunt does last year during the youth hunt I saw 2 different does with fawns. I am new to hunting and this is just what I saw out in the feild

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

If you were able to harvest a doe that early with fawns it could definitely be detrimental to the fawns not having momma around to protect them.

[@Nate_dew]

@@MichiganGreatOutdoors that’s what I was thinking but we will just have to see. I do have a question for you so people dislike the two buck tags maybe they could set it up to you get two tags but they have to be shot in different counties that’s why I get two tags one for the downstate property and one for property up north. Just wondering your opinion I do think something needs to be done otherwise we won’t see mature bucks

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

im open to anything!

[@danbeesley3375]

Older hunters were thought not to shoot Does

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

@danbeesley3375 very true, I have many older hunters in my family that say this. In there time you couldn't even get a doe tag!!

[@danbeesley3375]

@@MichiganGreatOutdoors that’s true many many years we couldn’t get a doe tag

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

now u can get 10!! lol

[@KevinMartin-yx2li]

Well it cost me 72$ i got 3 kids now who can aford by licenses clothing food gas to travel go to state land then looks like orange patch price of licenses to high for a family

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Prices are hurting familys for sure!!

[@shemp1howard]

Great Video- I appreciate your research and comparative #s to Ohio. I hunt private, Zone 3. Last year was a strange year- seemed to be a very late rut. I have never seen so many small fawns in the woods. I had to really size them up to make sure I wasn't paying $100 to process a 50lb deer. The does were really savvy; and I only got to harvest a small 7 point. Your right, with so many different seasons being added, I need to get out of MY rut and try new areas.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Good stuff Last year I didn’t really even see a rut… I think its because there is more does to bucks in my area and it seems like the bucks really don’t have to rut that hard to get on does anymore. Back in the day it was like the bucks would really be seeking and searching for does. Now there isn’t much buck movement at all in the woods im hunting in daylight, at night then you see tons of them coming in to find the does… any maybe part of that is just hunting pressure…

[@brockstille9179]

100% agree with everything you said there is way to many doe in Michigan and there is monsters here last year I shot a 180” 10 point I didn’t even know I had on my land

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Oh yeah, there are big bucks here I just dont feel like they move a lot due to the pressure and the amount of does anymore, I feel like bucks dont have to search out does, the does just find them now.

[@joshuabuschbacher6776]

That’s some good news for me with some of the changes. Adds a lot of time to my hunting season

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

@@joshuabuschbacher6776 I'm all for more opportunities to hunt, I wish they would let us start earlier like Wisconsin in September

[@HaileyWard-ze3gv]

I always wanted to see a mid september start!!​@@MichiganGreatOutdoors

[@huntinfit]

🙋‍♂️What influence do Insurance companies have on the Doe harvest in Michigan? Also the mentality of Hunter's has to change to improve the Buck quality in Michigan. If the majority of hunters harvest 1 to 2 Year olds the age class will never improve. Also if button bucks are taken and tagged as Doe's 🤷‍♂️

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

@huntinfit It is widely believed by a lot of people that the insurance companies in michigan lobby the NRC to imposed regulations to allow more harvests of the deer due to rising car deer collisions. That's why you're seeing ten doe tags per state in michigan.

[@huntinfit]

@@MichiganGreatOutdoors Are the people making these decisions appointed or elected 🤔

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

@@huntinfit appointed, I thought they were elected, but they're not. The NRC people

[@huntinfit]

@@MichiganGreatOutdoors Correct and typically the people you appoint ideologically/politically align with or in this case possibly financially benefit with your perspective.

[@Ashley1988MAGA]

Enjoyed your passion, feel the same way so i subscribed

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Thank you for the support, its much appreciated. I will be having some more short videos on these topics to continue the conversation; I think we can all learn from each other by education and interaction. I feel like the DNR has failed us on the education part.

[@petermastrangel546]

They need to open the metro parks for hunting

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

that would be awesome!! Id be all in on that!

[@scott7270]

@@petermastrangel546 every subdivision should allow archery hunting.

[@EdMiller-s3o]

Good job! Facts where great.That 8% second buck tag success interesting.Im in Washtenaw also.Access in urban areas is possible they can close a park in Ann Arbor for contract sharpshooters at 3:00pm in January but not me for archery. I live 4 miles away.How about U of M property it's public for God's sake.

[@alanmorris1828]

Mich has that you can purchase up to 10 doe licenses and you can use your buck tags for doe's, early and late season's used to be on private land only 👍 for adding public land

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

yes, lots of tags being dished out! Wish Doe tags were 10$

[@alanmorris1828]

The one problem is the fact that you have to pay $185.00+ For processing per deer harvested I Take mine to KAS in south lyon they debone all of your meat and you get to pick 5 varietys of their sausage's , you have to set up a deer drop off time and day on their site ,They Are The Best Processor in all of the southern mich

[@jamesbechtel7591]

I’ve hunting zone 3, 2 and 1 in my lifetime. Majority of my deer hunting have been zone 2 the last 30 years on private in Roscommon county. The population where we hunt has gone way low over those years. We use to see herds of deer everyday. 30 years later you might see a group of 4 doe’s momma and babies the whole 3 month hunting season. I’m so for QDM and letting bigger bucks grow up and taking more doe’s but i can see a lot of hunters, saying man i haven’t see crap in weeks. I think a lot of them are afraid that if you shoot all your doe’s in the same area then there won’t be any deer being produced since the does are the one that make babies. You can definitely kill everything around you and it might take a few years to recover. My hunting party has dwindles from 15 guys 30 years ago down to 5 also. Out of the 5, I’m the only one that believe in taking doe’s , but i can see there point. I’m sure other area’s of Michigan are over populated and should be managed by the hunters. It’s our responsibility to help get them under control. Thanks for putting this video together.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

That’s why I think the DNR needs to really look into allowing doe tags where needed, it makes no sense to me to allow people in your area to have 10 doe tags per season but down here near metro Detroit it is very needed… It just feels like the NRC/DNR has all the information but isn’t getting it right.

[@jamesbechtel7591]

@@MichiganGreatOutdoors oh i agree. I try to participated in any survey they send me to communicate the things i see. Not sure where it goes from there. Which they’d be more transparent on those and the numbers per county. They may have that now since they’re using the record your deer.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

yes! We can hope!

[@goober698]

The more they can restrict your freedom and ability to feed yourself the more win

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

but why?

[@Pigpen1202]

They need to lower the price of Doe tags

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

I agree with this 100%!!!

[@johngriffin4998]

Hunting public land is down right dangerous!

[@johngriffin4998]

I liked your video.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

I think it can be sometimes unless you get away from the crowds!

[@steveschrader1807]

Nice overview! Would like to see more videos from you like these. Keep up the good work.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Thanks, will do!

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

I will make sure they arent as long !! hahahaa

[@mikekokas7726]

I hunt Livingston County for the last 15 years that sucks on muzzleloader, but I carry my muzzleloader during gun season thank you for breaking this down for us

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Thanks for watching! good luck this season!!

[@fessenden3337]

U hunt private or puplic?

[@mikekokas7726]

@@fessenden3337 I am able to hunt both