Michio Kaku vs. Stephen Hawking: Views on God's Existence.

[@fri_15]

Now any questions left why should we not believe in God

[@JohnnyPerth]

Numerous 😊

[@mehdizangiabadi-iw6tn]

Sincerely, Mr. Michio Kaku

[@iblis6892]

In Michio Kaku words, if we cannot prove or disprove the existence of a god and have to look at other sources as evidence, such as the universe itself, then god has done a really pathetic job to prove himself/herself/itself. Throughout human age, we have always filled the gaps of our knowledge with the concept of god for everything that we cannot understand, such as lightening, diseases and everything else that we had no explanation but now we do for many. So, just because the origin or existence of the universe is a hard question, should we fill the gap with the god?

[@Pmrace1960]

one had an imaginary friend and one didnt need one.......

[@RareOneoriginal]

Thanks for your comment! 🙏

[@GoPackGo-pz3uu]

We think we understand what we think we know which isn’t much. So pick one. Believe in something much bigger than what we can understand or don’t believe in what you think you know.

[@RareOneoriginal]

At the end of the day, whether you believe in something bigger or rely solely on what we know through science, there's always a sense of wonder and mystery that drives our curiosity. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! It’s all part of the journey of trying to make sense of this incredible universe. 🙏

[@GoPackGo-pz3uu]

@@RareOneoriginalRight on. It is incredible and so beyond our ability to fully comprehend it. By design…

[@Celestialdevilyt]

The universe is a loop ➰➰➰ Said by - Abyaan Mazumder Its me 😅😊😮 Reason : A theory is there called Big crunch it says " After the expansion of Singularity from nothing it will stop until the universe reach a certain area and then again it will collapse with the speed faster than light and became the Singularity again " I think before us many universes are there which had collapse and became a new universe and vice-versa it means it's a loop after our universe reaching a certain area then it will collapse and again it will became Singularity and then it will expend and became a new universe. This process will happen simultaneously. That's why our universe is a loop ➰

[@RareOneoriginal]

Thanks for sharing your perspective! It’s always intriguing to think about the origins of everything we see in the cosmos. 🙏

[@larryhammer5926]

God was created by the creator several years ago! God chose not to have a false past to a real past! Sincerely the senior foundation creator! Note: this is not Larry!

[@JohnnyPerth]

Who created the creator ?

[@dcjohnson2208]

@@JohnnyPerthHis/her mom and dad? LOL 😂

[@sgbh8874]

What came before god? Humans.

[@RareOneoriginal]

That’s an interesting perspective! Many people ponder the idea of what came "before" God or if something existed prior to the creation of the universe. Some traditions and philosophies suggest that God is eternal and outside of time, so the concept of "before" doesn’t apply in the same way we understand it in our human experience. It’s a fascinating topic, and whether you’re thinking philosophically, scientifically, or spiritually, it opens up a lot of room for thought! Thanks for sharing! 🙏

[@sgbh8874]

@@RareOneoriginal I really meant in terms of most of human history, before ‘god’ was ‘invented’. In the approximately 300,000 years that the human species has been around, the notion of god represents only 1% of all that time. For the vast part of human history, god did not exist as an idea. ‘Only the absurd admits to no explanation.’ (Credo quai absurdum.) Bakunin. God and the state.

[@roymaniego-mt4xb]

If the universe created itself, there would be no order without proper dimensions, it would be a garbage-like..But, as we all know the universe and all heavenly bodies are in fine-tuning, someone Divine being is responsible on it

[@testaccount1642]

you're assuming the universe has to exist how you want it to, thats an illogical statement

[@roymaniego-mt4xb]

@testaccount1642 your mind is the most illogical

[@roymaniego-mt4xb]

@testaccount1642 Your mind is the most illogical

[@RareOneoriginal]

You bring up an excellent point about the fine-tuning of the universe! Michio Kaku often highlights this exact awe the universe is not random; it’s beautifully ordered, governed by precise laws that make life and everything we see possible. He leans toward the idea of a "God of Spinoza," a force or intelligence reflected in the harmony and elegance of the cosmos. Stephen Hawking, on the other hand, would argue that this fine-tuning can be explained by the laws of physics. He believed that gravity, quantum mechanics, and other scientific principles naturally led to the universe’s structure. However, even he acknowledged that these laws are remarkable in their precision. The fine-tuning you mentioned is a profound mystery that many interpret as evidence of a Divine Creator. Whether viewed through science, faith, or philosophy, it’s a topic that inspires endless wonder. Thanks for sharing your thoughts it's these kinds of reflections that keep the conversation alive!

[@roymaniego-mt4xb]

@@RareOneoriginal Thank you ❤️

[@mehdizangiabadi-iw6tn]

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[@spidyrider243]

So many planets, stars, black holes, and it all comes by laws, ofcourse everything follows laws, but who created those laws and matter energy to follow those laws? 🤔😀. It's Creator of all. Is that hard to accept?

[@RareOneoriginal]

That's a great point! Michio Kaku would agree with you to some extent, as he believes in the concept of the "God of Spinoza"-a God reflected in the beauty, harmony, and simplicity of the universe. He sees the order and elegance in the laws of physics as something that might hint at a deeper design. Stephen Hawking, on the other hand, argued that the universe could have created itself through the laws of science alone, without the need for a divine creator. He believed that the principles of quantum mechanics and physics might explain how the universe came to be. Ultimately, the question of who or what created these laws remains one of the greatest mysteries, and it's open to both scientific and philosophical interpretations. Thanks for sharing your perspective! It’s always intriguing to think about the origins of everything we see in the cosmos.

[@spidyrider243]

@@RareOneoriginal everything comes by following laws and that laws are enough ok, but that laws r so finely tuned that even a slightest difference in a single law occurred all these never came into existence. So that's a very minute fine tuning. Which cannot be happen without someone who fine tuned that laws at a very minute level. Also energy and mass are inter changeable but who created that so large amount of energy and who generated that huge amount of energy.

[@RareOneoriginal]

You bring up some excellent points about the fine-tuning of the universe! This idea of precise laws that govern everything, where even the smallest change could prevent life from existing, is known as the "fine-tuning argument." Michio Kaku might resonate with your thoughts, as he often speaks about the elegance and beauty of these physical laws, hinting that there might be a deeper order or design behind it all. The question of who or what created these laws, or who set the initial conditions that allowed the universe to emerge, is still one of the most profound mysteries in science and philosophy. Some see it as evidence of a creator, while others believe that science will eventually provide a natural explanation. It's a fascinating topic that keeps sparking debates among scientists.

[@spidyrider243]

@@RareOneoriginal that's excellent reply, 1 more thing I like to put is only laws are not enough, energy is also required for the formation of universe irrespective of god. This question also remains unanswered that is from where this huge amount of energy came so huge that required for the formations of universe and whatever it holds that then eventually turn into matter.

[@paulhaan4438]

Haha you should hear yourself, a creator?!? At this scale!!! And who made the creator? Stop with that nonsense finally. Given enough different universes there is bound to be one with these exact properties. How exactly, well that’s is the ultimate question. We are to small and insignificant in that respect and don’t have enough knowledge at the moment to come close in figuring that out.

[@mehdizangiabadi-iw6tn]

If someone knew, they could convince others.

[@esadsalkic8605]

If universe was created by big bang all the matter in univers still would comming to existence is that the case. I think God created universe and still commands evolution of stars .

[@RareOneoriginal]

🙏

[@mortezafarshchi8003]

وما أوتيتم من العلم إلا قليلا and of knowledge ye have been vouchsafed but little آنچه از علم به شما دادند بسیار اندک است

[@ColSSMalik]

Well everything boils down to ENERGY, AN INTELLIGENT ENERGY.

[@RareOneoriginal]

( Michio Kaku) He references Einstein’s idea of a “God of beauty” that reflects the universe’s order and simplicity, which could be interpreted as an intelligent energy. (Stephen Hawking) For him, the combined principles of physics are enough to explain how the universe operates, without the need to attribute consciousness or intelligence to energy itself. It’s fascinating how different perspectives can lead to seeing energy either as purely physical or as something more profound and possibly conscious. Thanks for sharing your thoughts-it’s these big questions that make us keep exploring!🙏

[@Steven-kl6lh]

Obviously..the human mind is limited ... God is limitless, therefore, we mere creatures cannot comprehend 🙏✌️

[@RareOneoriginal]

Thanks for your comment 🙏

[@markytnshyt]

When an ant looks up and sees you, it has no idea how to process what it is seeing. When we look at the sky, it's the same... we could be looking at God directly in the face but cannot comprehend Him. If a Creator created the universe, He would exist in multiple dimensions so it would make sense that we cannot see or process Him.

[@RareOneoriginal]

That’s a powerful analogy! Michio Kaku might agree with your perspective to some extent, as he often speaks about higher dimensions and how our understanding of the universe is limited by our own perceptions. If a Creator exists in dimensions beyond the ones we can observe, it would explain why we struggle to comprehend or directly perceive Him. Stephen Hawking, while not necessarily subscribing to the idea of a Creator, acknowledged that our understanding of the universe is still limited and that there could be phenomena beyond what we currently grasp. He focused on what can be explained through science but left room for wonder and mystery in the grand design of the cosmos. Your comment beautifully illustrates how vast the universe is and how small we are in comparison-yet it also reminds us of the awe and humility that come with seeking to understand something so much greater than ourselves. Thanks for sharing such a thought-provoking perspective! 🙏