Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 - All the Details

Microsoft dropped another bombshell at the Xbox Games 2023 showcase. The new Microsoft Simulator 2024 has been announced. Let's take a look at what we know and what this might mean for the future.
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[@LemonToGo]

Honestly, I am just glad they are extending their commitment to the series. Remember the state of pre 2019 flight simming? 2D clouds EVERYWHERE, addon prices absurdly high and everything just felt like it was a sinking ship.

[@ethanmckibbin]

I have a screenshot from MSFS last year of a $419 add on, I'm not sure that the ship has stopped sinking. I'm scared to think about another Flight sim title if airplanes are going to cost that much.

[@SHRModding]

@@ethanmckibbin obviously that's an outlier. awesome highly detailed study level planes can be had for $50-70 with far far greater modelling and systems detail than the previous flight sims offered. sure there were bad and absurdly priced mods for MSFS 2020 but for every absurd mod there are tonnes of great ones and also a continually developed platform. they are also willing to and are actively working with 3rd party mod creators like working title and inibuilds. if you look at the big picture the flight sim genre is thriving, not sinking. no idea why a single absurd price turned your opinion like that. like obviously that's not the norm and cannot be the norm because people wouldn't buy and 3rd party creators wouldn't make money

[@rdablock]

@@ethanmckibbin what single addon costs that much?

[@jaguar3248]

Sadly i think this is a sign the ship is sinking. There is no way, Asobo unless forced into it, are going to continue to develop MSFS 2020 at the same rate. MSFS2020 was not cheap, is still nowhere near finished and has a list as long as your arm of promised basic features such as a replay system and a decent viewing system that we had 30 years ago. If Asobo think they can just move all that to a new list in MSFS2024 and just slide the dates yet again to the right i think they may be in for a shock. They made big promises of free upgrades at a premium initial cost when MSFS 2020 was launched, i doubt many will be fooled into making the same mistake again.

[@Optimaloptimus]

@@ethanmckibbin Tbf they just created it and were poking at the wall to see where they shouldn’t touch. Microsoft and Asobo learned lessons by making risks. That’s good for development.

[@edratliff]

Yes!!! The missions were one of my favorite parts of the old MSFS. Gives you something productive to do when you’re tired of visiting the entire world lol

[@Preidak]

The gliding part is already available in the current msfs with thermals, winch launch and all that good stuff..

[@mumblecake251]

Gliding is worth extending though. No support for flying tasks with waypoints, exclusion zones and timing, nor any race support with regatta starts or launch windows. Realistically study level gliding will still be done in Condor 2 at present. I used to do a lot of study level gliding in Condor 2 and also tried MSFS ... I wish it wasn't but at present Condor 2 is still winning hands down from a realism point of view. I would really like to have the realism from Condor 2 with the graphics from MSFS. For one we would need proper support for the Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 in MSFS which is pretty much the best Gliding flightstick which allows for realistic trimming where the zero point of the flightstick actually moves.

[@kieronedwards6249]

@@mumblecake251 Agreed on Condor2 however it also suffers from terrible twitchy flight models. I did a glider aerobatics course recently and currently the K21 in Xplane behaves like the real thing for aeros training and somewhat realistic for aerotows . But unfortunately has non of the other good stuff that comes with condor. The weather system in FS2020 has tremendous untapped potential and could be awesome if done properly but right now it's tremendously disappointing and I don't see it getting fixed for niche glider pilots

[@nicklibby3784]

what

[@nicklibby3784]

I don't understand

[@DustinDawind]

How do you get thermals? Is it a setting somewhere. I've done the mission thing where they put you in the mountains and give you ridge lift. But just picking an airport and starting a flight I have never found any thermals.

[@Darksagan]

This will definitely get me back in the sim. I got bored of flying around not doing much and started playing DCS. Now we got stuff to do thats sick and it looks amazing.

[@crowleypj4444]

Totally agree! Awesome that they have added missions and cool activities to do whilst enjoying flying different aircraft

[@xenogear88]

I'm still hoping for the possibility of weapon usage in MSFS, would be awesome to give DCS some competition

[@Dr.W.Krueger]

Just consume product and then get excited for next products.

[@RevFilmore]

A friend recently told me he planned a 4h Airbus tour, got the bird into the air, then put in on AP and started to do some chores around the house. That's exactly what's keeping me from MSFS so gearing it towards missions is welcome, it just needs to be sim level or else it's just gonna be another video game with fancy graphics.

[@1royaltyfree]

​@@xenogear88That would be awesome!

[@markst.quintin4230]

The scene with the Airbus A400M is not the Arctic, but Antarctica. The giveaway is the blue structure on the right which is has the construction used in the British Antarctic Survey base for Halley Bay IV . Interesting also because Halley Bay IV was built as a year-round base, but is currently summer-only due to cracks in the iceshelf.

[@morrisonmeister]

Having lived at Halley V & helped to build Halley VI, I confirm this is on the Brunt Ice Shelf in Antarctica. Only inaccurate part is that particular plane & mobile stairs(would have been on skies if they was really there) have never been to the station. Only planes I ever saw over my seasons was DHC-7 & twin otters.

[@markst.quintin4230]

@@morrisonmeister Sorry, my error. Somehow got my wires crossed thinking of SANAE IV.

[@mudduck1332]

The CL-415 dropping water was enough for me to say "Shut up and take my money!" Aerial firefighting has always held my interest. I can't wait!

[@thehunterstruck]

SAME!!! that and the air ambulance! I’m excited about this one

[@Quadrenaro]

As a sim bush pilot, the environment looks very heavily updated.

[@mrmisterno1]

They only showed hand crafted areas. General terrain will still be based on Bing data so it will look about the same as in MSFS 2020.

[@kevinrangel6556]

@@mrmisterno1 What is your source for this? What i see says otherwise.

[@mrmisterno1]

@@kevinrangel6556 Give me some timestamps of where you think the ground looks better

[@cyrildu972]

@@mrmisterno1the original trailers for MSFS itself the only place wich is handcrafted is LAX airport, just saying. The original 2019 E3 trailer even shows places that are not handcrafted in the trailer but ended up handcrafted in the final product, Courchevel for exemple, go take a look. To me, none of those places in this current trailer looks handcrafted (except TFFj)they look procedurally generated. Actually, I bielieve the engine has been improve to procedurally generate a more accurate environment than in MsFS2020. I’m convinced this will be one of the selling point of the new MSFS2024. Anyway watch the original E3 trailers I swear it looks worse than what I cure have on my computer

[@beautyofflightsimulation2349]

@@kevinrangel6556 Well I can for sure tell that the trees are better. They seem to be actual 3d models up close now. Just look at them, I don't think they will only look like this in specific locations. The grass seems a little better too and responding to the downwash of the helicopters.

[@jeromechopp354]

5:30 During the Air Racing segment you can see they're racing in Dubrovnik, Croatia, and the city looks 100x better here, than it currently does in Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020). Could this be part of an unannounced Croatia / Balkan World Update? I certainly hope so!

[@jjsemperfi]

One of my big gripes with “civilian flight sims” (I’m a huge DCS fan) is what to do. I always get bored. I like that they’re introducing more career oriented missions and tasks to spice it up. I’m looking forward to it.

[@filthyrando3632]

Such a great tool to show kids all the various careers they can pursue in aviation.

[@skywise9041]

The VIP transport part sort of indicated a new third or first person aspect. I have always wanted to get out of the aircraft and wander around some of the brilliant airports that the third party content creators make. That would be a welcome addition and a great immersion enhancement.

[@teedot1186]

Like Train Sim World.

[@arokh72]

As an ex Rural Fire Service volunteer, here in my part of Australia, I really hope they include, at launch, a nice Australian fire fighting perspective, including the "Marie Bashir" a firefighting 737. Imagine those low firefighting passes in a jet :)

[@skyhawk_4526]

I also hope there is some variation "out of the box" and it's not too geocentric. If not, I've no doubt third party add-on developers will fill those voids.

[@DeclanHiggins__]

My godmother was the boss of "Elvis" the helicopter and speaks very highly of it :)

[@SpikeMikki]

I was proud to paint the Marie Bashir for MSFS2020. I dream to use it as its fire fighting capability.

[@jeanlafrance8746]

Going into surgery right now to remove and sell a kidney to afford the quantum computer needed to run this game

[@wout123100]

or buy an xbox.

[@Bonbon1948]

You raised some good questions there. I think that such big changes will cause the core game to demand more resources, and they have to stand by the minimum requirements that they've set. Furthermore, we got lots of updates in these 3.5 years. And although some of them are paid content, most of it is free. And they can't just work for free. They need to constantly innovate.

[@chrisevans-nodd]

We can already do all of those things in gliders. Thermals, ridge-lift, (no waves yet), aerotowing & winch launches are already implemented in MSFS 2020. 5:47

[@TumiliuM]

That Beluga is actually the new A330-700L and not the older A300-600ST.

[@leokimvideo]

Looks incredible on all levels. And what's really exciting is the big hint of a war flight simulator coming next. That's what we have all been waiting for

[@velvetsmoooth4980]

Agreed - The old combat flight sims were awesome.

[@HandyTot]

Oooo Is there really a hint of combat flight sim coming back? That would be huge!

[@samuelhainesmusic6939]

IL2 Sturmovik has a fantastic WWI and WWII combat flight simulator. If you haven't seent it, check it out. Way better than DCS or any other out there.

[@StressfulGengar]

@@samuelhainesmusic6939 IL2 does WW2 best and DCS should leave that to them and focus on Cold War and Modern aircraft.

[@Shehbaz666]

@@samuelhainesmusic6939 DCS is mostly modern with a few WW2 vehicles. Nothing will beat DCS when it comes to modern air combat. Ever.

[@gravytrader]

I'm hoping for significant improvements to the engine and the world generation to justify a whole 'new' product.

[@WhiteHawk77]

You ain’t getting that. There’s seasons, looks like there might be new trees, maybe, tornadoes though how they will be implemented into the weather engine is up in the air right now, if they are at all. This is more mission and career focused with some extra features like sling loading cargo with the physics of it and animations of people and vehicles involved. Extra aircraft, but so far it’s just the same sim with addons mostly.

[@Michael-zf1ko]

If they introduce a working replay tool and open up the weather SDK for 3rd parties to implement an actual working weather radar, then I'd be happy.

[@DontUputThatEvilOnMe]

I have a feeling it isn’t going to be much of an upgrade. Looks like a lot of cool features tho. But those should be added in the current game.

[@donaldjohnson394]

You almost can't have a new engine. All the add-ons have so much special programming, it will be a nightmare. I bet all the developers who have been working for months on a fs2020 aircraft must be estatic😂

[@donaldjohnson394]

​@@Michael-zf1koit just feels like their dropping 2020 and bringing in 2024 by promising new features and all the 2024 SU updates!🎉

[@Dan_Gyros]

I love that alot of these missions are the ones from Microsoft Flight Simulator X with much more detail!

[@IvGorin]

Omg! These changes are exactly what I was wishing for! Missions and even possibly some career mode or at least a campaign! Something to do except just imagining stuff. I love msfs 2020 but i stopped playing it in like three months 🤷😔

[@MikeTomGotJokes]

you play it for the experience. see how the world looks.

[@IvGorin]

@@MikeTomGotJokes yes. But that's enough only for some time 🤷

[@MikeTomGotJokes]

@@IvGorin you crazy lol. youre never gonna visit the entire earth in real life. that alone shits on that thinking

[@sirgaffo]

Clearly you are not a real aviation fan so

[@stscc01]

​@SirGaffo what is a "real aviation fan" in your opinion? Someone who does real time flights from LAX to Paris, watching the auto pilot doing it's thing 99% of the time? Frankly, I love MSFS, but I spend much more time with DCS, because there's simply more to do... I'm a real life glider pilot and I cosider myself a real aviation fan, but flying airliners from A to B isn't just that exciting to many people.

[@DanBennettOfficial]

I think your questions are spot on. And the thought of "why can't this just be a DLC" is a huge question. These new features are great - and what many have been begging for since release. But it feels a bit of a punch to the stomach to pay for a whole new game for these features, that are simply just missing in the current release. It'd be nice to see MS/Asobo address this more. Why is this a new sim? What about this is actually "new" on top of this content that could be DLC for the current Microsoft Flight Simulator?

[@wout123100]

they answered that, namely old code can only be so far adapted, i am glad they do it this way.

[@robkerf]

Thank you for the detailed analysis of what's to come. You've helped me understand what this 2024 version will be. Exciting days ahead!

[@DeepSouthSimulations]

I was so excited to see this. The one thing I've been wishing for is a career mode. I know there's Neofly but I was hoping for a built in career mode option. Never expected to see this variety of careers though. Also glad currently owned aircraft should be supported too. Can't wait!

[@JoshuaCasey]

fseconomy is pretty great. Though I certainly wouldn't be opposed to something like that built INTO the sim

[@niklasohlsson5473]

I dont mind paying for newer version every third year or so. They need to make money and found the work that goes in to it. Hoping you can play as the pilot and do the walkaround. Perhaps plan your trip in the office before walking to the gate. Love that the missions is coming back =D

[@Dr.W.Krueger]

what a sheep....

[@ClanRodgers]

Yep, agree. Much prefer this to a subscription service.

[@joebriscomb3826]

The install size will be HUGE! 🤣

[@stevensheaves]

Probably multiple modules

[@dingusmcfee4727]

I don't play this anymore, but i wouldn't be suprised if they intergrated AI into the new version. Just imagine realistic NPC voices, actual conversations using GPT, AI controlled events, AI copilot, and the list goes on. I'd love to see an AI co-pilot that you can set to do tasks (or it operates autonomously), and that is intergrated with ChatGPT and voice recognition. Just imagine, you get to pick or generate a copilot that comes with a personality, background, life etc. Then you take off, reach your cruising altitude, and start chatting to the AI about what they did for breakfast. Then having a laughing fit as it tries to fake a random life story etc.

[@minnil7927]

im a developer, and im gonna try to make it happen for us with a mod. i dont want to do it for the current one if 2024 is around the corner and im still in uni, but for 2024 ill come back here and tell you how it goes

[@plummetplum]

I would love thar and to be able to talk to my passengers.

[@tazzie165]

Do hope they add a PC12 to the game for aeromed. Grew up in rural Australia and the RFDS were everywhere there and so important to the societies, especially in Western Australia.

[@julpeuzin]

Can't wait to get it, looks gorgeous. By the way, that's not the beluga based on the A300, but the Beluga XL based on the A330 as you can tell from the winglets and the paint scheme

[@56WagonWheel]

in 35 years of working in the oil and gas industry, I have never seen a helicopter used to transfer a load to a supply vessel at a platform. In real life that vessel would standby close to the platform and the platform crane would transfer the load to the deck of the ship or in this case the helideck. Other than that the graphics look very realistic

[@dafox0427]

couldn't help but notice that the tail rotor blades we spinning backwards on that H125 on the oil rig right around 1:59

[@MrMontanaNights]

Yeah they are lol. Great catch!

[@pipedreamin]

First thing I saw - it’s obviously still early development so it will get fixed.

[@mountjoy23]

No vertical reference window either lol

[@wout123100]

have you ever seen those western movies, where the wheels turn backwards?

[@chriscottell6854]

The mission from Top gun Maverick would be very cool in this 2024 game

[@19schuey]

Not an Air Tractor, it's a Cessna 188, and depending on which model is known as AGwagon, AGpickup, AGtruck and AGhusky.

[@WaterBetweenTwoHills]

Whack an Air Tractor 802 in the sim for a fire bombing/agricultural cross over

[@jfeeble]

Adding missions and tasks will pull me back into this series. You can only buzz your hometown so many times. Rescue and construction look interesting for sure.

[@happydappyman]

I think we can expect moderate improvements to both graphics and performance with hopefully better DX12 support. We can also hope these missions and weather events will be well integrated. No matter what choice they made people would be angry. They can do what they did, keep the current engine and "not be a big enough upgrade to justify muh whole new game" or they could have tried for a massive engine overhaul and "destroyed my entire investment in fs2020, and started bugfixing a new engine from scratch".

[@jf4872]

You'll get those improvements with MSFS20 as well.

[@happydappyman]

@@jf4872 true. I think the reason we're getting a 'new game' though is for all the added mission content. Something which is all but entirely lacking in 20. Could they have just added it into 20? Probably. Though if this is really compatible with all the add-ons from 20, it's pretty much the same thing.

[@Fallub]

I was so excited seeing this first time, thinking it would be an addon/dlc. But the hubris of breaking their 10 years promise is astounding and awful. Such a bad aftertaste.

[@dafox0427]

It's standard MS protocol to eschew any promises of support in favor of you giving them more money.

[@flyin_with_ryan]

MSFS 2020 will still be getting support and updates for 7 more years as promised

[@flyin_with_ryan]

@@dafox0427 MSFS 2020 will still be getting support and updates for 7 more years as promised

[@juusifr]

they have never mentioned 10 year support people are just making it up lmao

[@Aceorbit]

@@juusifr It was mentioned in a video interview with the developers before the game launched

[@rotaryperfection]

Asobo highlighted machine learning as one of the next gen tech features in the game. Could be that tech is something that has to implemented early in the dev stage. If so, that explains the all new game. Seems this game is gonna make use of lots of the more efficient RDNA2 and DX12U features in the Xbox Series consoles.

[@rollingtroll]

My issue with FS "2020" was the learning curve. You get some very basic stuff in a very basic plane and then you're on your own. I never really could enjoy the game as I just had no idea what to do, and there didn't appear to be any tutorials online that would take you by the hand from step one, in baby steps. I'd love to learn, digitally, how to fly a plane but I can't make those big jumps. Any tips?

[@Lovejug]

I haven't got any tips, but I could've written that exact comment word for word, exactly how I felt with the game. Found myself not really playing it much anymore.

[@rsdigiomoney]

DITTO

[@redda2]

I was the same. Interested in exploring the world but the tutorials are pathetic. Looks like the game is catered to hardcore fans and don't care about the newbies

[@wout123100]

huh? wow..more than enough youtube vids for newbies.

[@ElGrecoDaGeek]

If purchases from the marketplace carry over, then the cost to upgrade falls on 3rd party purchases which is outside MS's purview. Same would apply to any X-Plane release so honestly we're netting much better with MSFS since we know marketplace add-ons will upgrade at no cost to likely superior variants. At the same time we're getting way more bang for our buck than we do on X-Plane all while the flight model gap between MSFS and X-Plane narrows with each release/update. I call it a win.

[@SHRModding]

it clearly says even 3rd party addons will work. so it's a win win lol

[@vinylrabbit7295]

The Skydiving scene, there was something besides what you noticed that I noticed. You are seeing the view from the Copilots side of the plane, could that mean their will be shared cockpits in multiplayer ?

[@korkronwarlord]

Looking forward to see you cover this, Squirrel!

[@therocinante3443]

I want combat flight simulator to make a come back. DCS needs competition!

[@VosperCDN]

If they could do that, maybe have the aircraft cross compatible (sans working weapons in MSFS 2024), it would be amazing.

[@gravytrader]

FS '98 & CFS truly an amazing time. Was great how you could sort of combine them.

[@siligarocraft]

i guess it would cost them too much time/money to develop all the in depth systems of fighter planes. A lot more work than even creating a study level airliner

[@gravytrader]

If i recall about a year ago one of the lead devs from IL2 Great Battles went to work for Microsoft / Asobo. Might be coincidence or 'something' may be in the pipeline.

[@AboveSomething]

that will never happen with Microsoft..

[@sabby5]

My big question is, Will you be able to use the 2024 sim in the same way as 2020 one? Like planning a whole flight in a 747 and going to any airport in the world, not just limited to doing the missions shown. Or will that part be a thing you can only do in msfs 2020, thus keeping the two seperate for different uses. Honestly, if 2024 can do everything 2020 can (and more) then that makes me kinda sad for 2020 sim

[@TrueFilter]

Obviously. This isn't century of flight.

[@mrcreebert7829]

Yes, i feel like msfs 2024 will replace it completely if it does function the same as msfs 2020

[@DontUputThatEvilOnMe]

All msfs games have always been like that.

[@Korrack]

I rather hope it does replace it completely; takes up to much hard drive space to leave both installed. As long as most things carry over I can pretend it’s pricey dlc. I’m hoping it all Crosses over; missions; challenges; Top gun etc everything

[@wout123100]

it is same with these extras.

[@TMCNJ]

3:00 yes, and with the PFD showing you’re nose up 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

[@AmazingPhilippines1]

Cool! I am just finally downloading and flying my first MS Flight Sim, so a lot of learning to do. Thanks for your tutorials.

[@morgidvmw0mdv]

I wonder if they will have the Mach Loop in Low Altitude Training, that would be good.

[@ThomasIF]

It would be criminal if they didn't, it's the most famous low flight loop in the world.

[@moonasha]

I mean... considering you can fly anywhere in the world, you can fly to the mach loop already and there's 9000 fighter jets you can download.

[@morgidvmw0mdv]

@@moonasha I have flown the Mach Loop, but that was in the Cessna 172. I need to fly it in something a little faster.

[@morgidvmw0mdv]

@@ThomasIF We have driven the road through the Mach Loop many times when going North to visit our son and his family in North Wales. It's a beautiful area.

[@ReklessRagnar]

I'm excited about the new 2024 version. But also feel ripped off with buying the 2020 version. As I expected all of the new content that's in the 2024 version in updates to the 2020 version.

[@wout123100]

really so veery 4 year( or ) 60 bucks,,wow sounds like a cheapo spoilt gamer.

[@parkerstucki9833]

Absolutely love your MSFS videos. Cheers to seeing more of them from you soon with this new game!

[@StringBanger]

This is so exciting! I hope we can walk to the aircraft. There was a pretty good heli sim called Take On Helicopters and I loved the briefing and walking up the helicopter and climbing in. Having missions in the sim as shown will be a great way fully engage a flight simmer. So I'm guessing there will be a basic pro and deluxe version of the sim because I can see these "missions" being sold as packs. Hopefully what we see in the trailer will be available to all as part of the base pack. Thank you for vid!

[@N1CEONE_]

I wish this was just dlc for the owners of the previous game. But everything here seems exciting and I'm really waiting to see you try these out and trying them myself!

[@yomammy13]

Is there a way to do commerical airline missions? Like start out in smaller planes and work your way up to 737/ 747?

[@GlobalTossPot]

Nobody knows yet… this was simply a teaser

[@stevek8465]

You can already do this with a virtual airline

[@noob.168]

There's no point tbh

[@sammyv4468]

That's what i want to see too! They have everything else in this trailer but that. I like the looks of this but what about the commercial side 🤷

[@jaguar3248]

You do not need a new sim your going to pay through the nose for to have a career mode. Virtual Airlines have been around since Pontious Pilot went through ground school.

[@BaconRaygun]

Have you not played the current version? All of the glider stuff is already available. Rope tow, tow plane, thermals, ridge soaring, etc..

[@benldr]

Hey, so it sounds like you don't realize that gliders have thermals and airplane and winch launches already in MSFS2020. The winch version even has a person holding the wing and running besides it. Quite a few training missions too.

[@michaeljamieson3582]

Finally…..I’ve always loved how the ms flight sim series have pushed the boundaries, but I’ve found it utterly baffling how they’d build a technical marvel and then never give you much to do in it.

[@Innerbrave]

As for whether Flight Simulator 2024 will include military fire, almost certainly not. In your video at 6:56 you can see all of the main guns are replaced with a placeholder instead.

[@skyhawk_4526]

Yeah, it looked like they replaced the 30mm cannon with something that resembled an optical device. I think it's a lame policy they have. I understand them not wanting to simulate the actual firing or launching of weapons, but not even accurately depicting a gun on a warplane or being able to adjust a bomb or missile loadout, even if just for visual and weight and balance purposes is just plain silly and "woke."

[@SammyDrones]

Did anyone notice the tail rotor spinning the wrong way on the oil rig ?

[@DanielGilbert86]

Living near the City of Bremen, I often times witness the Beluga taking off from the airport. It's such an impressive, and at the same time cute airplane - can't wait to be able to fly it!

[@toddw6716]

Wow amazing. It’s so boring just flying. Having firefighting and helo rescue is a definite bonus. As a person who was a xplane holdout having missions and things to do might be the tipping point for me to come back. The skydiving looks cool to

[@jannikmatthias9289]

If 'just flying' is boring to you, the Flight Sim isn't for you in the first place.

[@toddw6716]

@@jannikmatthias9289 yeah, since I have a real pilots license it’s hard to get excited flying pixels

[@jannikmatthias9289]

@@toddw6716 Wow, an actual pilot thinks flying is boring

[@Notinserviceij]

​@jannikmatthias9289 it may come as a surprise to you but people like different things and dislike different things within a hobby/career I work in aviation and I think flying on the sim gets boring after a while as well, don't take it personally, you can enjoy it and find it not boring But don't tell others what they can or can't like or be evolved in I'm sick of seeing these elitist comments because of people's egos

[@toddw6716]

@@Notinserviceij so what did you just do. The same thing which makes you a hypocrite. People invented the internet to share opinion. Your supposed to be smart enough to come to your own conclusion. However those on the woke side lack common sense to make sound decisions.

[@roflcopter33000]

The famous horizontal line bug is still available in the msfs, glad to see! 1:08

[@jonnie2bad]

it's the same engine so don't be shocked when it comes out that you just bought the same exact game for twice the cost.

[@neovo903]

With the A400m I've been i the cockpit at Brize Norton and had a chance to go on a full motion simulator at Brize too.

[@matthewbarymow]

This is truly a game changer! I can’t wait for all this be implemented. Very exciting. Very happy about the marketplace add ons support between games too 🎉

[@sirgaffo]

Im not happy this is shit MSFS2020 is only a few years old there has been massive developments being built for the sim and now what they get sent to the BIN!

[@jupiterscock1]

@@sirgaffo lol, you never bought a sequel before? 4-5 years is more then enough for a sim like this, as if we should let tech be stuck in the past like xp11 and 12, at least Asobo is advancing the flight simulator genre, stay with 2020 otherwise

[@Hammer2k11]

I applaud them for this. Finally a high profile game about search and rescue and doing useful things with aviation. And not another mass murder sim that allows you to recreate war crimes.

[@perplexical]

6:45 Yeah. You can see those A-10s have some strange looking cannons strapped to them, probably simulated guns for training combat. Maybe I’m wrong and the guns just look like that idk.

[@pin65371]

For that VIP flight service they should make it that the pilot can invite friends in. They get different seats. You could fly them around and bullshit with each other.

[@Domonian]

I'm really hoping we get a career mode or some kind of economy. Earning money and reputation through various missions, buying new aircraft, doing training certificates... that all sounds like great fun. Individual activities are cool and all, but I do really want more of a "game" aspect to MSFS 2024.

[@F80MGod]

It’s supposed to be a simulator. The game aspect of it, such as an economy or career mode should be a third party add on.

[@Domonian]

@@F80MGod Why? It can be both a simulator and a game, no need to filter out one half of the market (or rather 95% of it)

[@F80MGod]

@@Domonian then it becomes a watered down arcade version of what Microsoft flight simulator always has been. A simulator. If you want a game, then play a different game or wait until the mods come out to introduce game-like aspects. I’m editing this part to answer your claim of 95% of the market wants this to be a game…that’s an insane and made up statistic. Flight simulator has never been aimed at the casual player.

[@Domonian]

@@F80MGod I'm not saying to replace everything that's already there, just to add another aspect that more people could enjoy. And it's not 95% that WANT game-like aspects, I'm saying 95% of gamers that arent interested in a pure sim that may be interested if it had more entertainment value or a progression system. Simulators are niche, and bringing in more players should be a major goal for them. I dont see why they have to stick to not having anything to do other than fly around aimlessly to pass the time

[@F80MGod]

@@Domonian that’s where it gets messy, you take something that millions of people already enjoyed and you try to inject an arcade aspect to it and you end up muddling what flight simulator means and has meant to many people for many years. 95% is a made up statistic. For you it’s flying around aimlessly to pass time, for millions of other people, it’s a learning experience. It’s as close to the real thing as it will ever get for them. It’s a simulator. Adding in a career mode is taking away time and resources from the core game functions. Third party add on makers can address these wants and needs for people who seek more game-like functionality. Hell even this trailer for 2024 is making me nervous thinking about a mission-centric game instead of an open world flight simulator.

[@realcodechris]

A major release every 4-5 years sounds fine to me

[@Izmael1310]

No it is not. You get the same product basically like each year NHL or FIFA release. Lets say you fly commercial 737 from PMDG and you can transfer it freely (which I doubt it because I know PMDG but anyway) what changes for you in the new sim based on this trailer? Seasons? You can have them with some REX or ORBX addon. Whats next? ATC will be the same crap as in MSFS 20. Textures? It cant get much better than it is already and textures are great. So what changes?

[@realcodechris]

@@Izmael1310 what pmdg do is up to them, if they charge for a new version when nothing has change for them that is on them and you need to speak to them about it. As for what changes, it looks like quite a lot. Nobody is taking 2020 away from you anyway, so you can play that and not buy 2024. Anyway, I said it sounds fine to me, it might not be fine to you but that is you.

[@AdonaiRifki]

@@Izmael1310 MSFS used to be a 2 year release cycle. New versions of simulators are nothing new.

[@TormodSteinsholt]

I hope for a slow career build, but which eventually can make you the owner of a large corporation. But I hope they will not only make it part of the vanilla, but also expand on the interfacing that external parties like NeoFly could become even better.

[@wile-e-coyote7257]

Thanks for covering this, Squirrel!

[@DavidEye01]

In my opinion the reason why it's a new game and not an update for the existing MSFS is that the new MSFS2024 will be only mission-based, and it will probably drop the open world feature. Otherwise I don't understand why releasing a new independent game rather than creating a (paid) mission-based DLC to expand the already existing "missions" (all the challenges) features

[@SHRModding]

could be but how do they fit in the 'nearly all addons will be compatible' thing then?

[@Elwaves2925]

I'd considered that myself but there are other reasons besides being a missions only game. It could be advances in technology and I've seen several players comment about the DX12 beta going nowhere. Maybe they struggled to add that (and other features) into the existing game? I don't know, I'm simply speculating on things I've read. If the current game isn't up to handling what they want to do in the future, that could be a reason.

[@DavidEye01]

​@@SHRModding I'd say that maybe some of the missions are customizable (like the seasons thing we see in the trailer, where the same mission is done in different times of the year) and you can fly them with your own addons. But probably this is me going too far..

[@civ20]

No shot. That will never happen. If they do that they are braindead. Its probably a business decision.

[@herzglass]

The reason is simple: money

[@RyanS493]

I’m really glad the missions are back. It takes me back to FSX where missions made for hours of gameplay. Really hope they don’t charge us MFS owners over $100 again lol

[@moonasha]

you know they're gonna 🙃

[@RyanS493]

@@moonasha I know it’s all too likely lol. The reality is that they are a team with bills to pay as well. But it does pose a certain challenge or problem to risk leaving all that paid DLC behind in such a short time…maybe there will be a way to bring it along to the “24” version?

[@wout123100]

but 100 every 4 years, thats not so bad at all.

[@filipt7700]

Also, it would be nice to be able to fly helicopter tracking cycling races like Tour de France, Giro di Italia, or even WRC rally races 😁😁

[@filipt7700]

Beautifuly modeled Dubrovnik old town behind air race. Hope to see upgrade of all those old towns around croatian coast, Dubrovnik, Trogir, Split, Hvar, Rab, Krk!

[@joec4106]

2:29 Not to be “that guy” but it looks more like a Cessna 188 AGwagon

[@MrMontanaNights]

Yeah that's an AG Wagon or AG Truck, not an Air Tractor. Easy mistake to make though- all the names sound so similar.

[@josephluis3177]

tbh the ground seems super detailed this time around. and saw some shots of the pilots walking into their aircraft. i’m wondering if we’ll be able to walk around on the ground at all?

[@tjnucnuc]

This is so cool. I mean they built what is arguably the most amazingly expansive “game” ever and it seems like a waste to not add this style of missions but it is very strange it’s a new standalone. That’s surprised me.

Adding story to content like this helps extend the value for such a value. We are on board.

[@Tagsdale]

I like the idea of career based missions. It may expand general players into actual career paths and training rather than just being gamers.

[@johane4979]

I was wondering if it says 'career' maybe there's an economic element in it?

[@SHRModding]

10 years of support means exactly that. support. that doesn't stop them releasing a new product during that time. every iphone has 5+ years of support. does that mean apple won't release another iphone for 5+ years? No

[@jonnie2bad]

But the thing you aren't adressing is what level of "support" does that entail?

[@SHRModding]

@@jonnie2bad the reason I didn't address it is because as far as I'm aware they didn't specifically say. People just assumed what it meant

[@georgelza]

Excited... Wonder what the list of available helicopters will be... and how quick we will see community add on's / additions.

[@MrDayfox]

Looks like the A-10 has the gun removed and is some sort of lens fitted in the middle (light or a camera?)

[@cosmicwartoad2587]

Don't they think the 2020 version's base game took up an insane amount of disk space and that's before the updates and DLC?

[@raf444]

Vert disapointed with this, there are still MANY features that were promissed to MFS that we still don't get, to mention a few: multicrew support, actually working live traffic, they also promissed almost all airliners in the world liveries in the sim by default, also plenty of bugfixing to do, and they been using their resourcers in a new title instead of working on this, I find this unacceptable, at the VERY least I hope current users and specially delux and premium owners get a very generous discount on the new version

[@wout123100]

you got a lot of free stuff in those 4 years and still not happy, wow spoilt gamers again.

[@raf444]

@@wout123100 not many features promissed from the get go like I said, is it wrong to want a paid product to have it's annouced features? Or do you just like offending random people online ?

[@ukmaxi]

It seems like the '10 year plan' was not actually ever said. Rather, a quote was taken from Jorg and once from the initial reveal and people ran with it. Jorg clarified a few months ago in another interview that they meant MS was committed to flight sim and they won't drop it again like what happened after FSX. So, 10 years was just an arbitrary round number to say, 'MS is back in the FS game and we are here for the long term'. They didn't mean MSFS would be 10 years. Ofc, you always need to be careful when ever saying anything.

[@firstnamelastname-xy4it]

ur character can walk around?? 5:01 some of the shots are 3rd person or maybe just cinematics, would be an amazing thing to have!

[@Adysayya]

Why was this needed? I honestly thought that fs 2020 will be updated forever. I feel like they could of packaged all this new content as upgrade or DLC. This is so confusing.

[@JamesGaunt369]

I think it just comes down to can they charge for it or not. They are following the business model of all the other major sim developers out there. I don't think it was realistic to think they would not ask for any more money for the next 10 years.

[@votpavel]

so you have to spend on another game every few years

[@TrueFilter]

@@votpavel people are spending tbe price of the game on single aircraft.

[@castingshadows282]

The future in gaming is looking far beyond our wildest dreams. I'm looking forward to the next instalment of the Landlords Super, that we were promised back in time. How's about it Squirrel. Any hope of seeing a come back to that classic game?

[@KyleCowden]

1:57 - The H125 tail rotor is rotating the wrong way. Trailing edge rotating into the revolution as opposed to, well, trailing. I had to look four times to be sure I was seeing what I thought I was seeing.

[@hirofumi11051996]

2:15 You forgot to mention what looks to be an A330neo from TAP, we only had the A320neo on msfs2020

[@tompsu9536]

tbh the aircraft looks to be more like a330ceo looking at the engines etc. but tap owns a330neos instead and that has the neo mask too

[@roberthg93]

I hate this...watch them add new features like seasons to 2024 only and not fully support 2020. This is ridiculous. Is my logbook gonna be able to cross from 2020 to 2024. Are we gonna get MSFS 2028 in 4 more years and have to go through this again? These missions should have definately been a paid update. If this is JUST a missions/arcade game then fine and they wanted to have a "flight simulator" and "casual gamer flight game with no freeflight....just missions and a limited map" that would have been good. But this is a replacement of MSFS 2020

[@votpavel]

not 2028, more like 2027, same fucking game, few extra planes or features= new game

[@Daveooooooh]

There needs to be a career mode because the novelty of the missions would soon become boring if they're not integrated into a career mode.

[@SansBinky]

Career mode? This isnt a game.

[@Daveooooooh]

@@SansBinky So what you're saying is real world commercial pilots don't actually have a job. In that respect FS simulates it very well with a total lack of it. Thankfully there's some career add-ons to add a bit of reality to the game.

[@moonasha]

@@SansBinky yes it is through and through a game. The quality is nowhere near that of a simulator

[@moonasha]

Even if microsoft doesn't do it, modders will be able to make a career mode out of it, the way there already is one in the game.

[@civ20]

​@@SansBinky That's where you are wrong. This is 100% a game. Its much more an entertainment product advertised at the average gamer than a hardcore simulator.

[@GetvirusBlack]

Looks interesting, but I would love to see bigger and more complex helicopters in the game. The smaller ones are exciting, don't get me wrong, but I would love to see something like H160, H175, AW139 or AW189. Multipilot stuff so you and your friends can play on the same platform performing some of these new missions on helicopters and fixed-wing.

[@jnln]

Keep an eye on Hype Performance Group. They have already done the H145 and are working on additional helicopters.

[@GetvirusBlack]

@@jnlnyeah! Been flying the 135 a bit, but fingers crossed for something a bit bigger!

[@paperclihp3588]

Imagine if Microsoft paired up with a game like snow runner to have an ultimate career game where you can fly planes, helicopters, and drive various vehicles all around the world to complete different missions. It would also be insane if they added boats like the cargo ship we saw. Imagine a multiplayer game where you can have multiple players doing a mission. What if there was a ship captain on a sinking ship and a helicopter had to come save the passengers. Just would be crazy.

[@Hmuda]

Well, what do I think? I think my purchase of MSFS2020 was a bad purchase, since I managed to jump on only a couple months ago, and now it seems support will stop in only a month from now, despite the 10 year promise. So...yeah. F that, that's a big nope from me for the franchise from now on. If this was a DLC? I would be ecstatic. Being forced to abandon the old title for the new one? This is not how "lIvE sErViCeS" work MS/Asobo, this is not how they supposed to work at all.

[@votpavel]

they found a way and gonna charge you every couple of years for the same game, all they gotta do is disable previous game and force you to spend on a new one

[@juusifr]

there was no 10 year promoise

[@realcodechris]

Where did you get a month from now from?

[@GlobalTossPot]

How is it a bad purchase? Microsoft themselves said pretty much everything you have now will be applicable in the new sim. Sometimes a completely new release is needed to better optimize things especially in a game of this capacity and adding probably detailed missions which takes a lot of effort for something like this. At least they are not completely trashing 2020 and not allowing you to move over all your stuff. Why complain when we will more than likely get a better sim and still be able to keep everything we have in the completely new one. You brain dead people are complaining because you’re entitled and don’t actually pay attention to the details. Blind leading the blind

[@Hmuda]

@@realcodechris Well, their roadmap cuts off at the end of July. Did not notice that they added a small "Dev Roadmap Update Jul/Oct" at the very end, so that's my bad. Still, releasing a standalone game instead of adding the new stuff into the game they promised would be supported for 10+ years is incredibly scummy.

[@singhamaninder5836]

Why Does this give vibes of Dovetail's Flight Sim World

[@chaophraya8003]

Because it is going more and more in the direction of a game. FS 2024 flying game.

[@BrikkTopX]

​@@chaophraya8003 Exactly my thoughts. But the main thing I'm curious about is will they still use the same stupid half broken install method / installer..... I'm not going to replace XPlane and DCS anyway.

[@gregpruitt1647]

Will be looking forward to see how or if they improve VR in the new sim.

[@cpypcy]

Have you noticed the ground textures? They look way way way better than in MSFS2020. Is this just for cinematic or we're getting engine makeover?

[@jonnie2bad]

that entire video is pre-rendered. but the hype, pre-order now!

[@yianniskanellopoulos6719]

Thanks for the video. Personally I don't see why the fuss. For hardcore simmers the jump sounds seamless, for the casual pilots might be a new full price again but with great content so it's a win win either way. I want the Canadairs and start putting some fires out 😊

[@jimmunro4649]

That Looks pretty cool or HOT

[@domi642]

i think its pretty bad that they want to release it as a whole new game

[@votpavel]

its a money making scheme,that is all

[@flyjagz]

Xplane 12 released this year, it wasn't free.

[@phillyflyguy3590]

I agree, the amount of sales and clout they would get to patch this into the current sim would be incredible. This isn't the best PR choice, remains to be seen if it's the best financial choice.

[@phillyflyguy3590]

@@flyjagz Have you heard of the term logical fallacy? Or perhaps false equivalencies to be more specific?

[@Derkiboi]

This is normal, for Example train sim world just rebrands the same game as a previous year + 1

[@alihart]

2:37 chasing Cary Grant through a field is gonna be a thing

[@drewrucker9837]

Will we still be able to go anywhere in the world like the pervious one? Or is it just specific mission based areas?

[@damianketcham]

Hmmmmm. Seems like they just ironed out the bugs in 2020.

[@pipedreamin]

And now that they’ve got it all sorted out, they’ll mail us for another $120 to get the completed title we bought 3 years ago.

[@fqeagles21]

This looks like an Arcade version of MSFS NGL

[@brettcarson5818]

MSFS2020 is fairly arcade itself. It feels nothing like FSX when flying.

[@fqeagles21]

@@brettcarson5818 i know, i'm studyng to become a pilot and i can tell that XP12 and P3D V5 are more realistic

[@binkus5598]

maybe just because it has missions which msfs is in dire need of in my opinion. Gives you a proper reason to fly

[@votpavel]

​@@brettcarson5818 please explain what have you noticed about the flight physics or whatever that make newer games worse than older ones? I hardly play these but i finally got this 2020 mfs recently and its interesting but i find it very arcady in a way, maybe its because im used to how these planes might feel because i played abit of DCS before, and i thought maybe the airbus i got is a mod and because of that it handles easier im not sure. Its interesting what they changed about flight feel but i just wanted to ask you since you played it much more than me thanks

[@CCitis]

@@brettcarson5818 You have to be kidding though? lol... this new one looks like they are trying to make it a game... but dude FSX was like you were on rails. MSFS is miles better in every way than FSX.