Defiance Action Overview And How To Choose The Correct One

[@matthewmiddleton5522]

I’ve bought 2 Tenacity actions (one stainless, one nitride) and an Impact Precision action. I love the Tenacity, especially with the nitride, but it’s hard to buy a Tenacity for $1600 when you can get an Impact with an integral rail, AW compatible, and nitride finish for $1,400. If Defiance would bring the price back down around $1,200-1,300, I would probably go back to buying them.

[@20020x]

They are great but screwed a lot of people when they raised there prices $500 on actions that were already on order. I would look at Mack Brothers or Pierce as an alternative rather than give Bob Beck more money to go on hunts.

[@somebrains5431]

This post should be stickied.

[@20020x]

@somebrains5431 not sure what this means, thanks

[@somebrains5431]

@@20020x I was thinking of the various precision, long range, hunting, tactical forums that all exploded with negative sentiment when Defiance was bought out and the price hike hit.

[@Barnes-ml9wg]

​@20020x he means your post should be pinned to the top of the comments so everyone can see it

[@JjAbrhams]

Yep, I went with Terminus. Joel has the best customer service I've encountered, and I think his actions are second to none.

[@michaelpope7642]

I own 2 Tenacity actions, one bare stainless and one nitride coated. Couldn’t be happier with them and I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend them to anyone. Top tier gear 👍

[@thecchan999]

Do you notice a difference in cycling "smoothness" between stainless and nitride finish? Reason why I ask is trying to decide on new AntiX action...

[@michaelpope7642]

Honestly they are both very smooth with no hang up, my nitride one feels a little better due to increased use but you can’t go wrong with either. Nitride looks better though 😎

[@pr0_tr0ll]

I just found defiance actions a few weeks back, and this video gave me so much info on what action im looking for. absolutely awesome video thanks for all the information

[@midwestgunworks]

We appreciate that! Glad it helped!

[@davep3163]

If you’re going custom get a 3 lug like Terminus, short smooth throw, good clearance from scope, you’ll never look back!

[@troyelder56]

There’s a lot of competition in custom actions now with Zermatt, ARC, and now a big newcomer Aero precision. Honestly i think the differences between these will be customer service, feature set, barrel compatibility, and the big one PRICE! Sometimes you get what you pay for other times it’s diminishing returns. I don’t believe these actions have interchangeable bolt heads which is a big deal to me.

[@aaronwilcox6417]

Roger that. American Rifle Co is another player. It's good to have options.

[@sf2189]

I love my Ruckus Tactical short action

[@jeffranck6080]

I actually prefer three lug actions for the shorter bolt lift. However, I'm not finding a lot of custom three lug actions. Most seem to be built around the two lug Remington pattern. Loved the video!

[@ks_mason4775]

Terminus, Curtis, BAT, GAP Tempest, American Rifle Company. Very slick options available

[@jeffranck6080]

@@ks_mason4775 Thanks for the tips!

[@ForceRecon112]

the new ARC action is SLICK

[@44240xtp]

In my opinion , it is easier to get and maintain 2 full contact , flush mating surfaces than 3 or more. I like 2 lug actions over 3. Just my thoughts here.

[@travisnorton9097]

Defiance actions are smooth but push that bolt at a bad angle and it’s gonna bind up. That’s a big issue when they’re priced at the top

[@jordanlongstreet3057]

Im sure theyre better but are they twice the price of my tikka t3 rifle better? Can they take a half minute .75 minute rifle to a .3 minute rifle? If not then $1600 plus doesnt seem worth it at all

[@Lethal_Intent]

I've seen .1s and .2s with this action, but i think it's not down to the action tbh. More to do with barrel and load development. I have a terminus zeus in 6 creed that does .4 to .5, but my bergara hmr pro in .22-250 does .2 to .3 and my ZA TL3 in .308 does .4 and .2 with the 6br barrel.

[@alpalmieri8644]

Lot of money for a fancy rem.700 round bottom receiver.I will stick with my Win 70 and Howas

[@ironcity4392]

Very good info!

[@joeyzagari4155]

Thankyou great video. But there’s more to ask. What actions are meant for double stack double feed or can you show how floor plate, box mag and AICS mate and cycle with the action? What if you want a shorter than short action cartridge like 6mm arc and keeping the bottom flat with no magazine poking out, that would mean box magazine or bottom metal floor plate. I’m so confused.

[@ardleopard]

Great video explaining the basics, but hold on for a minute... is the picatinny mount not integral to the action on the Tenacity and the anTi? I would go for their other actions which offer that.

[@georgelza]

any chance you have a video that compares the deviance tactical vs ruckus tactical.

[@Sanwizard1]

Love my Tenacity

[@triggersafe1]

I chose the Ruckus for mine.

[@hunterwhiteneck142]

so will the hawkins m5 dbm work with any defiance action? As i want to put a DBM on a rifle.

[@HawkDriverJD]

Was wondering what was the barrel y’all were using in this video? Getting a CF barrel for my next build and I like the profile of it. Thanks!

[@snyderman9791]

Thanks for the video! i have a tenacity and would like to know if it works with detachable AICS magazines. This will be going into a chassis that has no floor plate but a magazine opening for detachable magazines, thanks!

[@raphpiette6297]

Great video but the 6ARC dosent use the 473 bolt face like mentionned. It use the ppc bolt face .445"

[@christophersmith2998]

THANK YOU! So Much ...

[@GregMcM]

Thanks for the video. What are the chassis options for the XM length?

[@jas0nlam]

I can think of the MDT ACC and MPA BA off the top of my head

[@ddhi]

MDT ACC Premier and XLR Element 4.0 have inlet for Defiance XM. I actaully dislike those 'medium action' specifications, including Defiance XM and Zermatt Medium. You choose something non 'standard', you limit your choice and end up paying more. For 'standard', I mean Rem SA and Rem LA CIP.

[@nate54557]

I have two questions. 1.) does the xm have the short action rem 700 stock footprint or is it its own size for stocks? 2.) is defiance worth the extra $400 over say stiller?

[@ddhi]

i can say about #2, but for #1, Defiance XM is Rem 700 footprint, but neither Rem 700 SA nor Rem 700 LA specification. So basically the space between action screws are different and you won't be install the XM to Rem 700 SA inlet, and you have to purchase stocks that have inlet specifically for Defiance XM. This is also true for their XM+ that has been released recently. To be honest, i hate manufactures making their own 'proprietary' specification in names of 'giving customer more choices'. It indeed limites your choice compare to the vast after market support for 'standard' Rem 700 SA / LA actions, and will end up costing you more.

[@dragonflyfab9703]

1.120 x 16 or 20tpi tenon for the big ones would be good!

[@YellowCab524]

I’m finding it difficult to decide which action to go with a Proof Research pre fit 6mm Creedmoor barrel that I have on layaway.

[@sagespinner9526]

Is the “Wyatt” magazine cut able to work with single stack AICS magazines as well?

[@garysandberg9929]

I bought a Defiant Deviance receiver 6.5 x 47 Lapua. I can't get the bolt to go all the way into the receiver. It sticks out about 1 1/2"?

[@ertatta]

Get a Borden or Kelbley 😉

[@tankerboysabot]

Will these work on the Pork Sword chassis?

[@CharlesCopeland-bm1el]

I would like to build a precision rifle i can shoot 6.5prc and 7prc from the same gun. Perhaps 6.5 creedmoor as well as. Is this possibly with a Defiance action? Thanks for your time.

[@2whl4re]

You're kind of mixing long action/short action with those cartridge choices. If you want these three, you'll have to buy a long action to fit the 7PRC, 6.5PRC will also be great, and the Creed should work ok in a long action. If you want an easy switch-barrel rifle, one for all three cartridges, look at the Terminus Zeus QC long action. Simple barrel swap in a couple of minutes, no barrel vise needed.

[@SpudOutdoors]

I didn’t see model 7 on your website. Wish there was a nitride option.

[@midwestgunworks]

There are Nitride options. Unfortunately we do not currently carry them on our website.

[@tiputipu777]

Those actions are almost as smooth as Tikka or Sako factory actions

[@jdirt1982]

So do the short medium and xm all still fit short action footprint chassis and stocks ????

[@jfritzke]

No.

[@alvinhamby1779]

Will a criterion remage barrel system work with these

[@whitecollarbehindtheglass6214]

What action is the best for 6.5 prc?

[@2S1L3NT]

My brain is fried!!! I'm having a he|| of a time sourcing the parts I need to build a 300 PRC... especially available ones. I've deduced the need for CIP magazines and the twist rate etc. But finding an action that is LA, and accepts that CIP magazine from the MDT ACC chassis (Rem 700 LA CIP 3.850) that I purchased is proving extremely difficult. I discovered the Impact 787r custom action will work, but it's out of stock Everywhere. Ive been looking for at least 10 hours today and have yet to get a solid answer on any other actions that will work for me. Help? 🙏

[@carrot2851]

I am in the exact same boat as you. I've decided on the MDT ACC chassis as well and can't find anything that adds up to the rem 700 footprint. If you find anything else useful please let me know. Thanks in advance.

[@jas0nlam]

787r (mag bolt face) seems to be available at Altus at this time. Might want to check?

[@2S1L3NT]

@@jas0nlam Thanks Jason, I ended up finding a Lone Peak Fuzion. It should be here Monday. Hope it does what I need it to do!

[@2S1L3NT]

@@carrot2851 Impact specifically notes it'll work for the CIP mag length but I couldn't find any in stock anywhere when I was shopping. I went with a Fuzion action and I'll have it Monday. Hopefully it works out for me. But the Impact action is now available on Altus... damn! Maybe you can score one tho. I was impatient.

[@carrot2851]

@@2S1L3NT alright, thank you for the help!

[@billhendon1017]

Nice

[@BladesAndbullets]

What Bolt head diameter would you use for 300 PRC

[@midwestgunworks]

.550

[@InkwellFoto]

Where does the Ruckus stack between these two?

[@Restoule]

Am I missing something? Why does the anTi logo have the Titanium periodic symbol in it? Even has the square around the Ti which implies that it's made out of titanium, but there's none to be found. Only boring 416SS 😂 That's kind of misleading.

[@landonboomsma2594]

That’s the point. It’s saying anti-titanium. Defiance doesn’t like titanium for actions so they made a steel action as light as all the other brands titanium actions

[@borisptitsyn2130]

how do you change the barrel on a barreled action?

[@midwestgunworks]

You will need a barrel vice and action wrench. Then you can unscrew the barrel (they are tight), and install a pre fit. After installing you always want to check headspace with the correct go/no go gauges.

[@borisptitsyn2130]

@@midwestgunworks thanks for the reply. greatly appreciated. the video is very informative as well. thanks for the video.

[@jacopienaar9157]

hey bud wil this fit on my howa 1500 with a mdt ess chassis

[@jas0nlam]

This is Rem 700 footprint so no, wont fit

[@jacopienaar9157]

@@jas0nlam so what action can i use?

[@jas0nlam]

@@jacopienaar9157 Not aware of any custom action footprinting to Howa. Howa, like Tikka is on its own foortprint system which are both supported by a few chassis and stock manufacturers. If you already have Howa in a chassis, suggest you stick to it and then get an excuse to buy a new custom action that's Rem 700 based.

[@P226Tex]

The best defiance action is a terminus zeus

[@garrettgutierrez2677]

Hurry up and ge the Ruckus in stock!

[@Huntingvlog12]

Cara pesan nya bagai mana boss

[@MR-oy4fc]

Kelbly Prometheus.

[@pangidoannasution554]

Untuk harga nya berapa duit

[@mishasumi6827]

Why does every bv gun video have to start with obnoxious hm guitar music? "I'm in hillbilly hell" - lightning McQueen

[@jimtebelskis5437]

The video reviews standard detail, common for all mfrs - doesn't help much for choosing available options from Defiance.

[@NaNa-rb7ou]

$1600 for basic bitch 2 lug action with 90 degree bolt life push feed, from a company that hasn’t had any shooter won any championship, I’ll go with Borden action.

[@mitchelyates9715]

I hate when companies advertise using words like "titanium" or "Ti" when their actual product isn't even made of titanium, also the pictures of the AnTi on their website don't have the "aluminum" bolt shroud on it. that said, it does look pretty nice tho...

[@jfritzke]

That's the joke. Defiance is AnTi titanium, but you get an action made of 416 that weighs about the same as a titanium action. They're not shy about telling you that it's a stainless action.

[@Deadi12]

It's name is AnTi ie anti-titanium.

[@mishasumi6827]

My only concern is that I don't think they fit MDT chassis

[@leehrvyoswld]

Zermatt Origin.

[@jay-by1se]

at the end of all of this, just get a bragara it's the same.

[@tomspeed2000]

Cheapest is 2400 euro in europ, really need to migrate from this parts of world ..

[@LifeisGood-ye8rl]

$1700 bucks for action alone thanx but no thanx and the bolt throw still 90 degree.

[@roycetolley4987]

Asking too much for their damn actions

[@kerryddepew674]

No thanks I take a BAT or a Kelbly.

[@ertatta]

Borden 💪🏽

[@chef_hood]

​@ertatta trying to build a rem 700 .300 win mag but can't find anything from Borden, can u help?

[@nebraskaman8247]

None of them. Don’t think they are worth what they charge anymore.

[@josephfurrer5000]

None of them. There are better options out there!

[@fulmer130]

Over priced

[@jdirt1982]

So if I wanna do a 300 blk build that's going in a bergara stock that came from a 6.5 prc rifle I'm gonna want the medium action ? And does the short action ( model 7) still fit remington short action stocks. Or is that a whole other blumpstiltskin?

[@midwestgunworks]

A .300 BLK would be a medium action with a .390 bolt face.