Mike and Darren: Unplugged ep.3

[@sorenaleksander2670]

This is utterly unbelievable to have watched both of these fantastic professors lecturing close to 40 years ago - and I watched EVERY single one - and to have the opportunity to see them do this NOW!!! Because they are still engaged, and we are ALL still students!!! Cheers, and Thanks So Much!!!

[@Laocoon283]

Yea its pretty cool. Has getting the gang back together vibes

[@yanikkunitsin1466]

Student? Engaged person - maybe. Otherwise you lost the whole point of thinking for yourself.

[@pearz420]

And many of us get to be new students. Much to be grateful for.

[@sorenaleksander2670]

@@yanikkunitsin1466 So there is NO POINT in engaging with others about anything? Do you live in an attic or a basement?

[@yanikkunitsin1466]

@@sorenaleksander2670 I live on the fifth floor of 5 story building. We had a basement, but now it's a bomb shelter.

[@txikitofandango]

Love that you shouted out to Borges, his ficciones are lovely. You make Mandeville sound enticing, I will check him out!

[@jamestrojnor-barron5075]

I'd just like to thank Michael Sugrue for his life's work. Thank you.

[@tanneryeldell8031]

Haircut's looking good, Dr. Sugrue! These episodes have been great!

[@historicusjoe121]

Yes! Now purge the beard. LOL

[@kerrymuir9891]

love the haircut! good look (and of course the convo is great as well)!

[@robinsarchiz]

It's crazy how well-read these men are, and that they seem to have read everything the other person has read.

[@cheri238]

I have a glass of red wine . The effervescent conversation between both of you elasped so quickly. I have listened to this three times. Books that one likes but are underrated by others . There are a few that I have not read, but I will. Also, may I add that these are a very fine collection you both have chosen. Anton Chekhov short stories are some of my favorites, as well as Tolstoy's. Thomas Mann, "The Magic Moutain," could never fall out of fashion for me. This is a demanding novel. The debates between Settembrini, standing with the Renaissance and the Enlightment, and Naphta, apostle if the Counter- Reformation are always merciless, reaching an early crux when Nafta cries out a prophecy of what was to triump in Germany a decade after publication of "The Magic Mountain." Margaret Atwood, Sylvia Playth, Ann Sexton, Emily Dickerson, amazing women poets. Issac Waltons' guide to fishing, "The Angling," is pure soul. The others you have mentioned I will have to get. All sound enthusiasm in my brain for l love challenges of great novels and writers. Franz Holtz and Manderville sound interesting, and the others that I will have to look up to know how to spell their names correctly. Have either of you read any of our South American writers, such as Pablo Neruda, his pen name. His name is Eliecer Neftali Reyes Basoalto. Born on July 12, 1994, Parra Chile. Died , Sept. 23, Santiago Chile. He is considered to be the most important Latin American poet of the 20th century. "Canto General" " "Crepusculario" " Elmental Odes" "Spair." He is a massive literary author. Many others from South America I love and Japan.. I will still write to you about which philosopher in whom I would like to have met. I haven't had the time during the holidays, but my choice will be Spinoza. With deep respect and admiration for you both, I thank you.

[@artlessons1]

Thanks ! There should be a Nobel Prize for professors. Good teachers are rare and much underrated.

[@thattimestampguy]

2:01 Robert Sendatees novels 📚 • Canadian slice of life 🇨🇦 3:17 Margaret Atwood’s early poetry • Dark poems, emotional 5:48 Bernard Mandiville (who?) • Rigorism 11:27 Euripides, Michael Sugrue’s dirty pleasures 14:50 Fish 🐠 Trout, Pike Salmon 🍣 👑 Pike Tyrannical 🎣 💦🌊 17:00 ???? “HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO THAT IS?” 20:20 The Maker 21:05 Chekov’s Short Stories “they just knock me down… they’re both nimble and clever.” 24:11 Russians always have something dark to introduce. 25:27 Bruh John Stuart Mill 26:40 _The Magic Mountain_ by Thomas Mann 32:30 Frans Hals, Dutch Golden Age painter, 2nd to Rembrant 35:55 Murderer’s Row of Achievement

[@LetsFindOut1]

thanks guy. i wanted to revisit this list

[@The.Nasty.]

You dropped this 👑

[@Playboi_Solomon153]

Frans Hals*

[@MarkusBabris]

17:00 is Labyrinths by Jorge Luis Borges, highly recommend

[@krakenmcbubble6275]

I love this series.

[@von8311]

Was having a bad day and then this got uploaded. Much appreciated and enjoying the series ❤

[@galindoof]

2 content suggestions! 1) Would love to hear Dr. Sugrue do a in depth lecture on Socrates and why he has an appreciation for Socrates as opposed to Plato and Aristotle. 2) An episode of Mike and Darren talking about quotes, verses, etc. That impacted both in their lifetime

[@The.Nasty.]

I like the first idea a lot, Socrates is the shit 🤙🏻

[@claytonbennett9852]

I don't know half of these references, but I do enjoy listening to the Dr.'s talk. Glad to see Dr. Sugrue is a fellow beer man !

[@blakevitali1176]

If only the masses could communicate on this level with the same degree of insight ... the world might be a better place

[@Mattbyrdcomic]

Love the haircut Professor Mike!

[@BogdanLiviu7]

22:36 - The Student (Chekhov, not Gogol) What an amazing conversation! Please, two hours of this! You literally feel the joy of being alive, now I wanna read everything. Happy reading and greetings from Romania! ❤️

[@ahobimo732]

This is a very special treat for me. There's a staggering amount of "content" on KZbin, but there's very little (if anything) like this. It doesn't have the glossy production value that you see in most popular channels today, but to me, that's not a drawback. This feels incredibly intimate and informal and I love it.

[@artlessons1]

Thanks for mentioning Davies and Atwood. As a high school student ( long ago), I was fortunate to have Dr Marion Woodman for a specialty course called Philosophical English. Dr Woodman left teaching after my final year to study and become an internationally acclaimed Jungian analyst and author of five books herself. She had Davies and Atwood come into our class to talk to us about writing. Dr Woodman's husband, Dr Ross Woodman, was a professor of English at Western University, subject matter William Blake. We also performed a school production composed of selected writings of great authors and philosophers . So it was a great year.

[@jamesboland1499]

I love you and what you know, what you teach me and I am blessed to have found you. You have done so much for so many. Like you said "so little time, where do you begin??" I'll know to begin with Prof Mike Sugrue.

[@CaptnBojanglez]

I can't say how pleasant a surprise this was for me! I'm in a hospital room while my son recovers and now I have something to sink my teeth into while he rests. Thank you both for doing these discussions. I look forward to the next one!

[@johndeschlong591]

Hello Mike love your videos

[@mejusthappyrobot1008]

I literally can not believe Dr. Sugrue mentions Robertson Davies!!!! He was a magnificent Canadian writer and one who gets little to no attention, including in Canada! If you have not read Fifth Business, you're missing out! Thank you for this program. So very enjoyable and informative.

[@Michael-yg1qd]

I hope Mann never fully falls out of our memory and imagination. Buddenbrooks and The Magic Mountain are two masterful novels. There is only so much one is able to get out in 40 min, but here are some other 20th century considerations: Thomas Bernhard- "Correction", "Gathering Evidence"; Gabo-"100 Years of Solitude", " Love in the time of Cholera"; Thomas Pynchon-"Mason and Dixon", "The Crying of Lot 49"; William Faulkner -"Absolam, Absolam!", " As I lay dying". Thank you for taking the time to put these videos out, both of you. They are always a delight. Be well.

[@dennypetrosian8589]

Yes! I love seeing an upload from you gents. And thank you for the spread of your passion amongst curious people, Dr.Sugrue.

[@craigtunnicliffe9095]

i'm going to save this to watch tomorrow! it will be a happy thought to wake up to. Thanks Drs!

[@codynesbitt4972]

So good to see my guys still at it

[@ripsirwin1]

SO happy to have found this channel. My undergrad education was STEM focused so I didn't get a good humanities education. This is exactly what I need.

[@kateriist1]

Two of my brightest professors, their inexhaustible wisdom and encyclopedic knowledge...Thank you.

[@ahobimo732]

I'd love to hear "Mike and Darren" talk more about the history of modernity, and where they see Western, or even (if they feel bold enough) global civilization heading in the decades to come.

[@Mattbyrdcomic]

Harold Bloom’s break down of Moby Dick changed the way I read literature.

[@sorenaleksander2670]

Harold Bloom's view of everything should change the way you read literature.

[@Post-Yap_Clarity]

Harold Bloom’s break down of On the Road changed the way I read literature.

[@sanziohanzo]

you guys are the school of athens of our times. the Plato and Aristotle, of our days thank you both, for all

[@andrewharrison6510]

just watched ep. 2 and here we are with another- thank you!

[@teachphilosophy]

Thank you for your superior lectures and dialogue. I think many people would love to see more interviews like this and with other notable scholars... in the Bryan Magee tradition.

[@soroushbahrami438]

Drinking a Bud and listening to this was the highlight of my week

[@jeanfrancoiskolyonivogui9204]

Awesome to see these two!

[@jimystimz4731]

Mike has so much swag for an Academic

[@Horndogthehorneddog]

Holy crap can’t say how grateful I am for these post and their frequency. Some top tier content I have to thank y’all deeply for providing. Mike, Darren, and Mikes daughter who I appreciate very much for putting this together

[@johnnypingsmusic]

Brilliant conversation as always, thank you so much for sharing your time and thoughts!

[@Hereticbliss322]

These shows are my favorite thing on the internet. I can’t believe we can watch this for free in the same world where I pay ungodly amounts of money for “lockstep mediocrity” in college.

[@TheMusicalStylingsofBrentBunn]

I hope this little series continues. Very insightful and entertaining conversations between two well-read individuals. Ideas for future episodes: Ancient literature Modern films Guilty pleasures Comedic literature Modern philosophers Favorite trilogies

[@williamkibler592]

Thank you for sharing your minds with us!

[@williamkibler592]

You inspire me Intulectually and personally. Thank you both

[@The.Nasty.]

I hope you both know you’re appreciated to hell and back, thank you for these. 🙏🏼

[@floracash]

LOVED. THIS.

[@peterpedersen3988]

This was so much fun. And it was over so fast, too! Time really travels when you enjoy something. Thank you very much, to you both!

[@Horndogthehorneddog]

Love seeing Sugrue giving Harold Bloom some props real quick. Bloom has pointed me in the right direction many times

[@bridgebum826]

I read Blood Meridian because of Harold Bloom.

[@iExamineLife]

Hey Mike and Darren, thanks again for another episode and please keep them coming!! 🙂🤙🤙🤙

[@anthonysanchez3275]

I would love to hear a discourse on favorite philosophers and their ideas throughout history.

[@gershonr5865]

As always, a fountain of wonderfulness from you both.

[@jbroskito]

As an electrician I have literally had a metal splinter in my eye almost went blind for it. Thank you for the walk or whatever it is your calling it

[@Kyleblumenthal]

This is wonderful PLEASE MORE PLEASE!!! Love you guys always.

[@colts8146]

I Clicked so fast. Also, Sugrue my man lookin fresh. If I may add in a suggestion/criticism, I think it would be really nice if you were able to increase the mic and camera quality a bit. The camera quality isn't such a big deal because a lot of people probably listen to it anyway but the mic quality could definitely be improved. I think it may definitely help with retaining viewers, getting more viewers, and would overall make it sound a bit more pleasant to listen to.

[@Sleepcycle831]

You have got to read Starmaker by Olaf Stapledon. Certain aspects have become outdated over the last 100 years, but the work as a whole is a fruitfully enigmatic experience. I posted about this book on another video, but since you’re talking novels, I thought I’d bring it up again. The narrative, if you can even call it that, is a poetic thought experiment concerning the history and future of the physical universe and all of its components. I am astounded that this story was fit into 200 pages. Each sentence is art of the highest tier. I really recommend it, if you find the time, of course.

[@drummersagainstitk]

Thanks guys. Love your insights as to the "Why"'s to things.

[@joshbeierschmitt4820]

Thank you!

[@sashahosseini9358]

Vayyyy vayyy vayyyy. Couldn't have asked for a more amazing video. We all love watching your lectures and now this absolutely beautiful conversation. Thank you sooo soo much.❤️❤️

[@alexanderpeca7080]

Profs! Don't stop the series, enjoying this so much. Thanks for the high-value content. Please, open a Patreon account so that you can buy good mics.

[@slavabrodetskiy597]

Woo! Keep these coming

[@MrDaajani]

Thank you for this guys. Engaging discussion

[@branchDerridian]

Another great conversation. Love the beer horn/glass.

[@stub2022]

30 years ago at University in Ontario, one of my English profs described Robertson Davies as a bore. Lol. I enjoyed all those novels.

[@chadhall9865]

You guys are awesome! thank you for this upload and please keep adding content!

[@MarkDParker]

You had me at "drinking horn."

[@joewesterland5697]

Great video. I'm left with a lot of new material on my reading list.

[@cameliavaschi600]

Many thanks!

[@daithiocinnsealach1982]

Dr. Sugrue with the beer. Love it.

[@chadhall9865]

Love the drinking horn, by the way.

[@reginaldphillips7615]

Thanks for the discussion, would love to hear your thoughts on Tolstoy and the Tolstoyan movement

[@mikebradley8048]

10:51 Love it! I feel privileged to have access to these wonderful conversations.

[@jdzentrist8711]

"Memoirs of a Superfluous Man." I had no idea who this was, was just intrigued by the title. Turns out, he was just a conservative, or a "libertarian" or a "fusionist" or whatever. I actually hid that book so my ex wouldn't run off with it, too. It was partly the way he described the love of his life. Another great read, if you like this kind of stuff (though a Straussian sees it as "political philosophy") is Rousseau's "Confessions." In that book, he inordinately praises his own "Julie," as if he sensed that it would be underrated. Having started that book, but thus far being unable to finish it, I can see why. Bulgakov--thanks for the tip on him, also on "Magic Mountain." "Labyrinths" was recommended, on TV, about a decade ago, by Niall Ferguson, who last week was highly praising Thomas Hardy. Before I get to those short stories you mentioned, I have the complete short stories of Hawthorne and Flannery O'Conner, right here. I have here also, "Margaret Atwood's Novels," published in 1995, written by my grad school sweetheart, and edited with the help of her Marxist partner, using Chomsky (she told me). She helped me a little to translate Rousseau's "Preface to Narcisse," which in the Confessions he says is one of the "best things he ever wrote." The discussion of Mandeville was very interesting. He's not included in the Strauss/Cropsey "History of Political Philosophy," as you know. Another thing I really enjoyed was the art of sipping a tall mug of dark beer or ale. Thirty-three minutes to get through half the glass--impossible, yet most praiseworthy! I'm still working on the concept of the "eipachs." And I appreciate the major clue--JESUS! In this morning's reading, Jesus tells the cured leper not to tell anyone, knowing full well that this news would soon be all over the countryside..."Every insight is partial blindness." Cf. a You Tube talk by Giorgio Agamben, on Inoperativity, iin which he repeats twenty-three times, that if something is a dunamis, a possible action, it is also "possible not to do it." He gets into painting, especially the "later Titian," where we see the "origins of Impressionism."

[@wtbhelbreath5098]

Bro. When I read a book I forget it’s details a week later. I don’t understand how these guys read 1000 books god knows how long ago and remember enough detail to hold a meaningful discussion

[@Laocoon283]

I'm always jealous when I hear someone just rip the authors name the date the book was written some relevant quote and how that impacts some other authors work of the top of their head. I'm like... yea yea I kinda remember that part of the book??

[@LongDuree]

'Sublimity is the ring of a noble mind' as well as noble minds. For years, I've listened to Sugrue and Stalloff in the same lecture series, roped off, but aligned under the same rubric; it's nice to have the walls come down; and hear them in more of a Dialectic. Two Authors I've always felt are underrated are 'Italo Calvino': Cosmicomics and Jaguar in the Sun and Heinrich Boll': Group Portrait with Lady, The Clown, Billiards at Half Past Nine, and The Train was On Time. Maybe another category is books that led to new genre's of literature: for example Sebastopol Tales (war journalism), War and Peace (Novel+:philosophy of history at end), Augustine Confession (autobiography+linguistics, last three chapters exegesis) and other oddly structured narratives and story telling and subjects like Calvino's Cosmicomics -- just a thought

[@smulktis]

PURE GOLD

[@ryandevens9423]

If these are getting cut off at 40-ish minutes because of a lacking zoom subscription I will literally pay for it no questions asked just give me more of these guys. Related to this, perhaps a patreon?

[@ThatsUncanny123]

Question for an episode: Is ego unilaterally a bad thing? Does harmful ego disguise itself in mundane or virtuous things? What about the difference between pride and ego

[@nugley]

Thankyou.

[@thomasanthony5021]

I would love…. LOVE to hear you lecture on Tolkien. I don’t know if it’s something you can even lecture on the same way but even just a 10 minute comment would make my year.

[@sorenaleksander2670]

Life Before Man is an incredible novel

[@TheConceptTheProcess]

The abrupt end - was hoping someone will mention Fra Angelico. Always wanted to see his San Marco frescoes. You two might like Florence in the summer time, lovely tipples. Here’s a question: what would you do if you had an infinite amount of money? All the best

[@Cheetah_Heels]

When Dr. Sugrue said Canadian authors, I was like “please, please, please say Alice Munro.” I guess Alice Munro isn’t that underrated given the awards she has won, but she should still be read by more people. I wanted Dr. Sugrue to say Alice Munro so I could feel as smart as him for about 2 seconds.

[@anaxantax]

Thank you very much for your great work. I thoroughly enjoy each video on the channel and I eagerly await new ones. I would like to suggest a topic. I was wondering if you could discuss the main intellectual currents (politics, philosophy of science, literature, academic trends, economic trends, etc.) that are forces in today's society? It would be interesting to hear how ideas take root, change people, change societies and become so pervasive that we don't realize them or forget them entirely. One such current, I might suggest, is Marxism which originates in Hegel and then becomes the main polarity for the political left. It seems these currents are forces in all our lives and it would be nice to know where they come from. Just a suggestion. Thanks again for the wonderful content!

[@smulktis]

They’re all going on the list

[@ttacking_you]

*the* Spectators club is a real fun short read. I recently, found out it was one of Benjamin Franklin's childhood favorites.And I think Doyle doesn't get the credit he deserves.

[@AltCompanion]

Mike and Darren, Thank you for letting us in on your fascinating conversations. Have you considered making these available in an audio or podcast form? That would be great for listening in the car, etc. Thanks again and take care.

[@globalistatistik1489]

Perfect !!!! 🎉🎉🎉

[@zootjitsu6767]

Please please do an episode on something by Oscar wilde. If I could have one KZbin channel it would be this one

[@isthisgeorge]

I’d love to hear their thoughts on Gene Wolfe or Jack Vance.

[@carsonwyatt8915]

For me the underrated work I would choose is bartleby the scrivener.

[@tradercave]

Hello Micheal, It would be very cool if you made a video about how you memorized your lectures, or just oratory techniques and tips. Thanks!

[@dr.michaelsugrue]

There wouldn't be anything to talk about. I have never memorized a lecture in my life. I just think about the topic and say what I'm thinking. I forget what I said 30 seconds after the lecture ends.

[@tradercave]

@@dr.michaelsugrue Oh wow ok, thank you.

[@alexithymia9337]

About minute 21 'the maker' is also invoked by Eliot, referencing Dante, as he dedicated The Wasteland to Ezra Pound, il miglio fabro, the better maker.

[@trevorbaier7072]

That’s it, I’m getting a drinking horn…

[@bridgebum826]

The book about fish by Izaak Walton is called The Compleat Angler.

[@mike-0451]

I see Dr. Sugrue decided to go with the nurse outfit today

[@ivanseods655]

The discussion should continue until the boot is empty. 😊

[@martynpotter21]

Man drinks beer from a horn, what a guy! 🍻

[@dasuero7489]

Uh, if you don't mind, does anyone what book and author Staloff mentioned at 24:10 or 24:09? I didn't quite catch what he said, as he said it rather sloppily and swiftly that my brain couldn't process and understand the sounds and words that came out from his mouth there. I'm as you can tell quite curious and wondering about who he picked and mentioned for an example there to counter Sugrue's. If any of you would answer, it would be greatly valued and appreciated. Many thanks again. Very engaging, intriguing and insightful philosophical talks and book recommendations.

[@dr.michaelsugrue]

Bulgakov's Master and Margarita

[@cellio2033]

Can you also make a video about Adorno and Horkheimer?

[@Michelle_Wellbeck]

Mike I've enjoyed so many of your classical lectures and was surprised that it's only now that I've discovered that you're still making content today! May I ask where was that blue paneled room you made those lectures in was?

[@m3tamonk3y4]

Keep going.

[@brianquezergue584]

Can you recommend a book on biblical numerology? Thanks

[@tomjones8328]

How much is lost due to the apparent truncation at 36:24? Interesting discussion with lots of things to follow up, but these videos give an impression of missing out when they end mid sentence. How much is lost?