Mike Commodore on Mike Babcock being let go by the Blue Jackets | Missin Curfew Ep 216

[@ModusOperandom]

Commie has to be 100% loving every second of his life this week...he's been waiting for this day for a long time.

[@charlisantini3403]

He's a clown. Go look at his career numbers and see who he's lying about the entire thing

[@NotHereForLikes]

Kinda petty but ya lol

[@funonoldwheels7150]

I love Commodore's pull no punches talk. So sick of everyone being politically careful.

[@rth9975]

He sounds like a whiney little woman

[@NotHereForLikes]

Says there’s 1 comment but it’s not showing up. What’s that about? Someone wanna throw me some “what’s what”

[@reggiepathak9684]

the ink didnt even dry on his contract LMAO

[@Alfzilla8]

Unrelated: gotta say I rubbed my phone at least three times before realizing it was a picture hanger or whatever behind Commie’s head 😂

[@joedirt9600]

I did the same thing, lol

[@MissinCurfew]

Did it 15 times during the editing process

[@craigpiercer79]

I totally did the same thing!

[@Cornflake420]

Yup. Got me too 😂😂😂

[@hockey_highlights_and_more]

I was doing it while reading your comment, thx bud

[@BrettHornby]

Not even Mike Commodore and his playoff hair from the Calgary Flames 2004 playoffs would think that Mike Babcock would be gone before training camp. Mike Commodore always be remembered as one of the cult heroes of the Calgary Flames 2004 Stanley Cup Final run.

[@michaelb369]

That 04 flames run was so damn special. Wish they could’ve won it all.

[@shawnthompson2303]

I really wish he wore #64 lol I always switch it in my NHL games hahahaha

[@bruinsfan8278]

Thanks Commy, Well Done Boys !!

[@FCMC123]

BRAVO. This candid interview is an excellent example of the abuse of power with naïveté. It should be shared with players and coaches so as to recognize problems with abuse of power an accountability. Thank you

[@alphadog1961]

I liked the way this guy played...I LOVE his honesty.

[@doinitforfun888]

The Ian white interview on KZbin is good talking about Babcock and his arrest.

[@matthewoberton1830]

Babs pleading at the end..." Please let me resign, don't fire me".

[@SakicFan]

You could seriously write an entire book about Mike Babcock and all that he's done with all that's been said about him over the years.

[@friedsensei]

It's amazing it took this long for people to realize the guy is a sadistic menace. Robbed mike modano of the 1500 game milestone, benches him in his final game, with family and friends in attendance, just because he could. I find it hard to believe his actions don't extend past his job. The man is sick

[@stevencooke1027]

Only the prick, Mike Keenan, rates as poorly.

[@NotHereForLikes]

@@friedsenseilol and yet you never played for him but are so triggered lol y’all internet people are sad

[@friedsensei]

@@NotHereForLikes this feels like a troll but you don't have to play for him to know this lol. The modano and Chelios incidents are just two examples that involve zero speculation.

[@Snipes-76]

Atta boy, Commie. Happy for you and the hockey world.

[@charlisantini3403]

The hockey world is worse off with how soft losers like tis clown have made it

[@usaslakt]

Wonderful that something like this comes out. Like Mike's narration, he seems like a honest guy. Very funny too.. I've been through pretty much the same thing . Narcissistic psychopaths or sociopaths never realize themselves that they are mental disturbed. Being mental disturbed is normal for them. They are never wrong. If you confront them they become crying three-year-olds and victims who blame everthing on others or on the circumstances. Psychopaths never take responsibility for their actions. They are bullying cowards and backstabbers and really very scared and small people. The best thing you can do is have nothing to do with them and avoid them as much as possible. Cheers!

[@tammybolger2634]

So glad these guys are exposing Babcock for who he really is. He should never be allowed to coach again at any level. Keep up the good work boys , it will help the youngsters coming up .❤

[@sushifanatic37]

Great interview, Commy ❤

[@alaskanyeti907]

"Players are soft" But the thing is, if your manager demanded your phone and went through a personal phone, they'd get fired. They wouldn't get to resign. It's illegal, and a major violation

[@GalenGTV]

He isn't a manager.

[@GreatCdn59]

​@GalenGTV he is the equivalent to one. its not related to whether it was in his job description or anything. thats something you don't do in an employee/employer relationship, period. regardless of even what line of work you are in.

[@briancorbier3549]

Commie is a top notch kinda guy.mad respect for his ability to say what is on his mind.mike is defineately and old school hockey guy.he should look into coaching.

[@MikeS29]

It's like the scorpion trying to hitch a ride across the stream on the back of the frog, who is reluctant to carry the scorpion, lest he get stung and drown. After the scorpion convinces the frog ("hey I won't, I'll drown too"), he stings the frog anyway. Frog asks why. Scorpion says, "I'm a scorpion, that's what I do!" Babcock is a scorpion. That's who he is.

[@kiroolioneaver8532]

'"Now she clutched him to her bosom, "You're so beautiful," she cried "But if I hadn't brought you in, by now you might have died" Now she stroked his pretty skin again and then kissed and held him tight But instead of saying thanks, that snake gave her a vicious bite "I saved you," cried that woman "And you've bit me even, why? And you know your bite is poisonous and now I'm gonna die" "Oh shut up, silly woman," said that reptile with a grin "You knew damn well I was a snake before you brought me in"'

[@Breca]

Hear hear !

[@Breca]

@@kiroolioneaver8532 Hear hear !

[@DanielGreen-gi3ts]

That was stated perfectly

[@jasonbrowning6034]

First round pick of Detroit Jakub Kindl was run out of town. Datsyuk, Zetterburg, Brad Stuart, and Brian Rafalski all just left suddenly. No one wanted to play for him. Frozen was dubbed "The Mule" because he did it all, and B-Cock runs him out too.

[@heikkivitikka2678]

15-16 season Red Wings Head Coach Jeff Blashill. Zetterberg age 35 played to 17-18 in Wings Roster. and Datsjuk age 37 went KHL next season 16-17

[@Raj-ze8eg]

He was looking for blackmail material on the phone...this way he would have leverage on the players

[@TGriffiths-ve6nw]

Yes, but leverage for what purpose, Certainly not for the good of team-building. It was leverage for the purpose of personal power-mongering by Babcock. What king of personality must a person have to enjoy gathering info on a subordinate in order to bully and intimidate that person? For what reason? What is the end game? Certainly not to develope anything positive. People like that are vile, disgusting creeps and no billshit about "personal growth" or sensitivity training can ever change that. These people can't be changed. They are hardwired for spite and hate.

[@BurtTurbo]

To those who think the players should have been men enough to just say no: Those kids are 19-20 year olds trying to make a roster and possibly set themselves up for a multi-million-dollar career. They were in a position where they didn’t want to say no to Babcock, and Babcock knows that. That’s how he abused his power. He’s a piece of shit, and there are thousands and thousands of pieces of shit in every business, taking advantage of people who are desperate to move up in their line of work and don’t want to rock the boat.

[@PavelDatsyuk-ui4qv]

I didn't give my phone to the feds or police when they asked when I was a kid. Hopefully the kids learned they're lesson

[@garrickmusic]

​@@PavelDatsyuk-ui4qv *their lesson Probably not nearly the same thing. I'm curious what the circumstances were where cops or "feds" asked for your phone? How old were you? And how long ago?

[@funghoul9124]

no matter how you phrase this it's still dumb. i don't like babcock but if your too meek to handle mike fucking babcock then good luck winning a cup. you need to be a tough motherfucker mentally and physically to play in that league and there are tons of dickhead coaches in professional sports. this is all part of the new woke me too pussy generation. the guy might be kind of a dick but he's not satan for looking at pictures on a fucking phone.

[@Nall412]

@@funghoul9124don’t believe most of this what came out. A lot of it is blown out of proportion and sensationalized to the max This was a hit job from the Toronto media too run Babcock outa town

[@PavelDatsyuk-ui4qv]

@@garrickmusic they're

[@sanborghini]

I awkwardly love commys hate for Babs 😂

[@DanielGreen-gi3ts]

Lol!! So true!!!

[@marcelleclair4452]

What is truly amazing is how the Leafs gave Babs a $50 million contract after Detroit. They obviously did no background check whatsoever. Seems to me a few calls in the right spot and the stories would have come out. That is gross negligence from a hiring point of view.

[@DharmYogi]

Yarmo should be fired. He has been covering for Babcock since day 1. They need to be held accountable. Even at the press conference he was giving foolish remarks

[@Footy_Fan]

As a die-hard CBJ fan, I seriously have to say that Commie is one of my all-time favorites now. I didn't realize that his favorite club that he played for was us. I wish we could get him on our coaching staff in some capacity.

[@rocker4life989]

Commy needs his own podcast or needs to be a regular on spittin chicklets. He’s an absolute beauty! 👊🤘

[@BCNeil]

Even the police need a bench warrant to search your phone.

[@sanborghini]

Exactly what I was thinking.... What a weirdo

[@rere8858]

Unless you are black, then the cops can use “probable cause”, and then beat the guy unconscious, confiscate the phone and look for DIk pics on it

[@renjiththariath7831]

@@jayman6868 Regardless, the police can phuck themselves whether or not they want to see my phone.

[@kYA00h]

weird is grown athletes in one of the supposedly toughest sports in the world.... and they "bend a knee" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 little cowards..some these guys are 30 + years old 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Coltyyyyyyyy]

Brutually Honest and Entertaining.

[@trebleface7835]

I get nervous when anyone is within 3 yards of my cell phone and I do t have anything to hide.

[@waltermontesi2226]

" The heart of man is deceitful above all things and desperately Wicked. Who can know it. " Not the heart of Mike Babcock, but the heart of man.

[@ms367man_dude]

Franzen must be so satisfied.

[@jayp.6166]

Commie is a pioneer. One of the first people to speak out on Babcock's douche bagery....maybe the first.

[@willrobinson1671]

I can understand how creepy that situation was. I had a maintenance manager once that called me into his office. He knew I walked to work most days, because I lived within a kilometer. He asked which way I walked, and I told him. He brought up google maps, then zoomed in on my house. It's small, 100 years old, in a dungy neighbourhood. He then showed me his house in a ritzy neighourhood. It was completely bizarre. I thought, f*k, if you want to see where I live without showing off, be a decent human and I might invite you over for a beer sometime.

[@yeltsin6817]

Man that is so weird. Hope that manager got canned.

[@kieferclarkf1674]

I really was rooting for Babs and hoped that he had changed. I worked with a narcissistic sociopath for years and he’s legit the worst human being I’ve ever met. He can’t change. Even becoming a dad, still the same. Some people can’t change. F all of these types of people.

[@DanielGreen-gi3ts]

At 4:41 the guy on the upper left, walked in the room to show a screenshot on his laptop of Kim Kardashian. He’s like, “you guys see this?”.

[@tihseht472]

Does commie not have his own podcast? I just see him a bunch on bunch of different ones n everybody loves the guy. If he doesnt already he should start hosting his own cause he's good.

[@chadgrov]

Look at the bottom of the screen.

[@charlisantini3403]

He's a clown

[@chriz9959]

he is a real good story teller. i almost pissed my pants laughing, when he told the story of him getting thrown in vs the Blues. really a great guy

[@DanielGreen-gi3ts]

My understanding is that the new coach Pascal Vincent it’s only asking the players to show pictures on their Samsun Galaxy. Fortunately, the smart ones wiped the camera pics at this point.

[@christophercharles3169]

Love listening to Commy talking about his old coach. Babcock definitely doesn't know the meaning of abuse of power. He literally feels that he can do anything. HR would have a heyday with him.

[@VGKDean]

I’m wondering how bad is the trust issue between the players and upper management for any player to go outside the team to get something done ?

[@ryanprosper88]

Man, that example Commie painted of a young kid coming in and possibly having some private issues only he wants to deal with on his own time was prefect. There's no place for a boss to even ask to see your phone.

[@Nall412]

You guys are ridiculous. Stop adding more shit to this. You guys are Fuckin so absurd. This whole thing is based off of lies. You realize that don’t you? Don’t believe a word this clown says. Especially Mike Commodore.

[@brockshocker1]

Commie was spot-on! As a coach, being tough on your players is one thing, but stuff like this is unacceptable. Babs is the definition of a sociopathic narcissist

[@MrJayehawk]

As soon as I heard Babcock was fired I was interested in hearing from Commodore.

[@showdown2006]

yea me too, I don't know why he thinks everyone would not want to hear from him.

[@charlisantini3403]

@@showdown2006 someone should call him out on his BS. Look at his stats after Detroit, He was washed up, but blames other people for his failures.

[@craigpiercer79]

I gotta few things to say, but first and foremost, I WAS NOT A FAN OF PAUL BISSONNETTE until he broke this story!!! With that outta the way, I still may not love the guy, but he put a lot on the line for saying what Babcock was allegedly being accused of. I take back every bad word I've said about Paul Bissonnette (BizNasty) and he earned my respect 100%. On to Boone Jenner... Boone was put into a really difficult spot, I believe JD & Jarmo both urged Jenner along with Johnny Hockey to try and pull the reins in a bit on the story. While it makes me sad to know that they agreed to do it, I do however absolutely understand why they agreed to it. You have to think about the big picture. I'm sure they thought that nothing would come of this accusation (because in most cases nothing does come from it)! So they figured (if I don't do this, I'm gonna be stuck with this asshole of coach that hates me until I get traded or retire). Last part. I love John Davidson, and I think he's a good guy. Jarmo on the other hand I don't think is good for CBJ. I know a lot of fans think he's great but I don't see it. Unfortunately they both need to resign immediately. I won't miss Jarmo, I will miss JD though and I wish him well. They both gave the nod to hire Babcock full on knowing exactly who he was and his track record and when Babcock became a problem they tried to cover it up.

[@kYA00h]

what you are failing to acknowledge here is that these are scared uneducated GROWN men. theyre employer (nhl) is in a partnership with a union (nhlpa)...so just like an auto worker or a teacher could DO...say "NO!!" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 this is a life lesson for the kids watching these little cowards..stick up for yourself and notify your offender and others associated verbally... dont use social media and former nhlers who should have never been there in the first place..but NOW have the gull to complain.. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 80% of these players grew up spoiled middle class..because hockey at the AAA level costs about 20k a year now. so before you spread your woke little comments about a coach ASKING to see a players phone..in a sport that allows fighting... take a second to actually hold a thought that provides logic. THIS is SO EMBARRASSING to NHLers. kids!

[@TakeItEasyJono]

babs still didn't take accountability even this time. the guy is a complete psycho.

[@colbiecolbie6979]

My grandma always said …every dog has there day !

[@jordanf8326]

OMG - your grandma actually said that!!!!! Wow!

[@richardsiemion5903]

I like commie but I def would’ve not believed a word he said if he uncovered this. So baller move by him for waiting it to come out. 👏

[@kenainsworth5034]

It's all true

[@Go_for_it652]

Mike B . What were you thinking . Let this be a lesson for all coaches . Just coach . Not all players are that good . Provide them the necessary information and make them better .

[@happytobehere200]

This is a huge win for Hockey. Predators like Mike have gotten away with crap like this for too long. And after what Gaudreau pulled leaving Calgary the way he did, like a weasel, I wouldn’t exactly value his opinion.

[@charlisantini3403]

this is a loss for hockey as the losers are now getting their way and avoiding accountability and hard work.

[@TheFusionmix]

Pretty sure they aggressively lowballed him to an insulting degree.

[@realtalk5931]

Feel bad for Babs wife and family. Now he’s got nothing to do…

[@SR-mv1po]

Except count a poop ton of money

[@bunsw2070]

He's got a family to harass. Maybe in laws now.

[@realtalk5931]

@@SR-mv1po yeah I’m sure he’ll give them all millions and let them live their lives

[@chadgrov]

He’s got over 50 million dollars in the bank. I doubt he cares. And he likely still kept some of the money Columbus was gonna pay him to coach.

[@Classicrocker6119]

Maybe he’ll try to get back on with the University of Saskatchewan!

[@julienllcooljjulienllcoolj353]

Mike Commodore his the inception of BAB$ 😂😂😂

[@axe2grind244]

Never forget Babcock said Commie was out of shape

[@cameronclark5705]

I’m with Commy

[@mikep3502]

Narcissists and predators don’t change

[@trevorthompson572]

Babs is a legend. Getting paid tens of millions by two teams to not coach. Clearly he’s winning.

[@CanadianLoveKnot]

I think Babcock is calculated he, probably didn't cross the line with Jenner and Guadreau, he tried it with the younger players, because he thought he could get away with it.

[@ginor8416]

The players involved should sue Babcock. He threatened their livelihood and now it’s time to return the favour. Otherwise this will continue. Resign with the golden parachute

[@Nall412]

Only person who is getting sued in all of this is. Mike commie and the boys from spittin chicklets podcast.

[@Salvatore1268]

Commodore was the first i thought of when babcock got fired

[@charlisantini3403]

He wasn't fied, but you should think about the clown's career after Detroit and see why nothing he says is credible

[@Salvatore1268]

@@charlisantini3403 u mean babcock?

[@joaquingageK4Financial]

Great episode

[@lonestarbug]

“He’s a predator, a scumbag.”

[@DanielGreen-gi3ts]

Say what you guys want about Babcock but he hasnt lost a game since he started coaching in Columbus. 😢

[@Biggskye]

Old sayings like "a leopard can't change it's spots" stand the test of time because there is a lot of truth behind it.

[@rhaltunen]

If the stories about Babcock are true, I wonder why some of the older players who were at the end of their career just didn't take matters into their own hands and put a nice beating on the guy and make things right.

[@rudyando]

Ever hear of Latrell Sprewell? He lost his shit on his coach and while he played while he still had game it is an incident that has defined his career.

[@rhaltunen]

@@rudyando , sure do. It’s not right to let that stuff keep happening. An older player should have stepped up and let him know that it won’t continue.

[@p0775567]

Not hiring the guy in the first place seems to be the best way to protect the organization...

[@DanielGreen-gi3ts]

Commie’s thoughts about Babcock are on the level of Jim Cornette’s feelings about Vince Russo.

[@lonestarbug]

Why do teams continue to hire and RE-HIRE these coaches?

[@ScoobieSwisher7413]

Hey Shane I have your Avalanche blueberry 3rd jersey.

[@claytonroe7064]

Bizz is the Joe Rogan of hockey podcasting

[@skyehorvath9063]

Rogan is a douche-bag, Biz is not

[@luciusprepus]

Hell no

[@thenatureboy1837]

I'm happy to pile on lol

[@High_Caliber]

Mike is a sharp kid.

[@Deans-jm3uf]

Commie could do a one man show just bashing Babcock and it would be a riot

[@ironman6432]

Where’s the video of Mike Medano on Babcock?

[@MikeS29]

Re: Boone Jenner... the guy is also the union player rep for the team. Maybe he said one thing publicly, but invited the union to come investigate?

[@tihseht472]

Na, im sure it went down just as jenner said, babs isnt stupid enough to fuck with the big dogs on the team. I hope jenner didnt do that anyways as that would make him look really bad for "knowingly trying" to covering it up.

[@alaskanyeti907]

I assume the older guys wouldn't get messed with, as they're more veteran and established. But imagine you're a late draft pick trying to make the team, very different scenario.

[@threethrushes]

Commodore is a certified beaut.

[@stretchstretch9112]

What happens to the people that covered for babs?

[@prun8893]

My nickname was Paddy from Tyke to the OHL.

[@okyouknowwhatever]

Take a drink every time O'Brien says "Commie"

[@diceymaan]

The thing is, Rick Nash of all people had a lot of influence on the Babs hire because he played under him in the World Champions. So, there are definitely players who supported Babs. Even Patrick Marleau came out and publicly supported Babs.

[@charlisantini3403]

Players who won support him. Flat out losers that have pod casts aren't winners

[@frankfarrell8086]

Rick Nash was overrated so his endorsement was overrated

[@pale_saint]

@@charlisantini3403well Babtit is a psycho creep anyway regardless

[@davedavid427]

@@charlisantini3403 Chelios is a winner. The players who support him played short tourneys (where any coach could've won with those stacked lineups). Big whoop. No one who played under him in the NHL has defended him.

[@jimparcels8167]

OB- Port.Hope, Ontario boy

[@johnmckeron3663]

His days are sure over as a coach or anything in hockey that’s straight up weird to go through their phones what was the idea behind that?

[@SoSilky]

Jenner is a beauty, he was put in a tough spot and if he instead said something about it ,but the team decides to keep Babs, Jenner's playing time would be fucked

[@timjansen7694]

I gave Babcock the benefit of the doubt. I think that it is possible he was asking players if he could see family photos just to better know them. Very benign mindset. Unfortunately, for about the past 40 years, a person in power needs to consider all of their interactions with subordinates. This is especially true with male bosses and female employees. But the bottom line is, the person in power needs to know these guidelines and be sensitive to them, particularly if the person in power comes in with a dubious reputation.

[@trentreimer130]

I started out wondering the same thing, but I have to acknowledge that I have largely had pretty good leaders who do deserve the benefit of the doubt. But after hearing this I think Commodore, as someone who knows how Babcock interacts with players, is saying that the organization clearly does not believe Babcock's actions were benign, despite their earlier attempts at damage control.

[@timjansen7694]

@@trentreimer130 I do not know what Babcock's motives were. In today's world, that doesn't matter, at least as far as Babcock keeping his job. A person of power cannot put his charges in an uncompromising position.

[@3Torts]

Lidstrom retired early because of Babs...

[@rere8858]

What Babs did to Marner was great. Especially the tool Marner turned out to be. He’s the only guy Babs did wrong to that truly deserve it. The worst guy he did was Mike Modano to rob him of 1000 games.

[@JV-rd6pn]

1500 games.

[@JT-gi8rx]

He screwed with Spezza too. He was egotistical, only ever thought of himself, and as such is a poor judge of character. So it wouldn’t matter if someone was shitty and deserved pushback, or was a class act and deserved the utmost respect, Babcock would treat them equally as bad.

[@WaitAMinute1989]

Nazem Kadri must be so happy.

[@benz0317]

Call me crazy, but I get the sense that Commie isn’t a fan of Babcock.

[@vito9674]

To those that think it was a hit job ..I DARE you to go ANYWHERE to a bar lets say and demnand a strangers phone so you "KNOW"them better or else ! I will drive yu to the nearest EMERG to get stitched up afterwards !

[@warrenmacdonald2447]

Keep it in house I get, but letting this guy in the front door was a huge mistake and I cant imagine anyone is ever going to give him a job again in the NHL..that kind of bullying behaviour to these young kids is unacceptable and I wish someone would have given Babcock a thumping

[@keith96969]

You all forget he is also a horrible coach too.Cassidy outcoached him the leafs bruins series. He never make adjustments.

[@willmurray1518]

I wonder what Babcock did at the U of A.

[@WaitAMinute1989]

Every player that Babby shit on while he was coaching are saying I told you so, EVERY player.

[@talanlee223]

Total invasion of privacy the guy should be sued ‼️That may teach the prick a lesson 👍🏻

[@simmsdn]

Jarmo's statement was straight gaslighting. So disappointed. Davidson's seemed much more from the right place. If I'm ownership, after that press conference, I'm firing Jarmo. His comments were BS.

[@TGriffiths-ve6nw]

I have to say that i am surprised, shocked and in disbelief that the power dynamics in the league are in such horrible condition in this 2023. I had no idea of the disgusting state of affairs that allows these professional atheletes to allow themselves to work under such draconian conditions. The younger guys should be able to be protected by their older and established teammates. I understand that the young guys who are trying to break into their careers can be subject to intimidation because a coach or manager can end their prospective career on a whim and there is no coming back from that, but for older established players to allow themselves to be intimidated is beyond belief. Even worse is that the older players would stand by and witness intimidation of the younger guys, without stepping in is unforgivable. Take Detroit for example,,, do you mean to tell me that when Franzen was being singled out for gross abuse, his big-name teammates would bury their heads and allow it to happen, We are talking about bigtime well established teammates who have enough rep and power to just put their foot down and say NO! But they didnt did they? What is the dynamic that would allow such blatent violations of morals to fester? I honestly dont understand why grown men would allow themselves to be intimidated by a coach. Its just a coach. They come and they go, and another one takes their place. The power that they appear to have been given by both players and management to rule like tyrants in this day and age is beyond my comprehension. Time for the veteran players to grow a set and defend each other. This is not the 1950s.

[@nmm27]

People hate Mike Babcock, But Mike Commodore hates Babcock with an extra 5 miles.

[@SaltyFletch]

I know eh. I had to get outta my chair to spit polish the tv screen. For nothing!

[@dougsmyth1226]

Two sides to every story

[@mblack9087]

Y'all know Babcock's son has joined the Blues front office, right?

[@TJ-qm7wu]

I doesn’t sound to me this stops at Babcock. From what they are saying people within organizations have covered for Babs which makes them just as quilty

[@krismckinney1780]

No way Jenner did that for sure babs had different interaction

[@houseadams4841]

I’ve had some coaches that would do some “old school” type stuff to the teams… one specific coach was sometimes manipulative in some strange ways… But the pros far outweighed the cons with him… But Babcock seems like a sociopath

[@vancouverrob]

Sociopath. Now....that's a strong word, and if true...."Whoa."

[@user-iz3gv5vo6b]

It seems like Babcock is just an old bully who hasn't changed his spots.