Orico nVME to USB 3.1 Enclosure

[@denhouse1]

Thanks for the demo of this. As an IT guy with a need to recover data from M.2 and nVME drives this will be handy - Keep up the awesome content.

[@MikeFaucher]

Thanks for the feedback. Appreciated.

[@MikeFaucher]

Thanks for the feedback. It may not show well in the video but the acrylic is cut out so the heatsink is exposed to the air. Great point and thanks for commenting.

[@MikeFaucher]

Great to hear. Thank you.

[@Jvman12]

Fyi the included pads are small because they're only supposed to be placed on top of the Memory Controller. The Flash memory (where data gets stored) on the other hand like being warm/hot which helps their longevity and life span.

[@MikeFaucher]

Thanks for your input. Lots of debate on this topic. Thanks for the comment.

[@ozrob76]

Thanks for the guide/review. I couldn't work out how the brass nut went, until I looked at it sideways- the instructions on the site were no help lol. Glad to hear it has decent performance!

[@MikeFaucher]

Glad you found the issue and thanks for the feedback.

[@deechvogt1589]

Thanks for this. I couldn't figure out how the brass screw went back in as it had been years since I purchased the device. Appreciate the thorough review!

[@MikeFaucher]

Glad it was helpful and thanks for the feedback.

[@ManojKeswani91]

I couldn't figure out how the brass screw went back in, 1st time user.

[@chungisyoung4good]

If its slides and the pad looks like that, that means it is not making proper content. That close-up shot made that very clear. If it was making contact the pad would move and rip apart when you slide that plate.

[@MikeFaucher]

Good point. That exact issue was fed back to Orico when I reviewed it. Despite this low contact, there is enough to transfer heat though I completely agree with your observation. On their newer designs this problem was addressed as I recently tested some of their newer designs. Thanks for the feedback.

[@skoopsro7656]

You only need to cover the controller with the thermal pad. But ya, a couple square centimeters more pad should be included.

[@MikeFaucher]

Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it.

[@LunatiqHigh]

How do they expect the heatsink to work, when there's no airflow access to it?

[@MikeFaucher]

If you look closely, the plastic housing has an opening to allow some airflow and heat dissipation. Good point.

[@churblefurbles]

Older ones were jmicron, the newer ones are realtek(mine was), firmware update required regardless. Pad goes over the controller chip, memory isn't bothered by heat.

[@MikeFaucher]

Thanks for you input.

[@mdd1963]

Got one of these today....; even using the simple USB-C- to USB3 cable with a 960EVO installed, I was able to get 800+ MB/sec reads and writes; testing on my MIni-PC's USB-C port did not go well, as it seemed to perhaps share lanes with a nearby front USB port for my mouse/keyboard USB adapter, which then was essentially useless, so forced to abandon USB-C testing path. But quite darn happy with the USB3.0 speeds! (I will likely order another one these exact adapters, and just keep a 2 TB NVME installed!)

[@MikeFaucher]

Great to hear it worked out. Thanks for the feedback.

[@mdd1963]

Turns out my older mainboard *does* have one USB-C connector at the rear, so, I was able to hit ~1080MB/sec reads/writes...@@MikeFaucher

[@MikeFaucher]

@@mdd1963 Great to hear and thanks for the feedback.

[@rashmipatel4602]

I am unable to initialize the ssd nvme after installing it into the enclosure and connecting it to my laptop. When I go to device management to initialize the ssd drive, it gives me 2 options (1) master boot record and 2) guid partition table option # 2 being the default); which one should be used?

[@MikeFaucher]

That is a generic error for drive initialization of your device. What kind of computer are you using and how did you set it up?

[@MikeFaucher]

Typically your would use the GPT partition

[@rashmipatel4602]

with using the default (guid partion table), I get 'incorrect function'

[@MikeFaucher]

See my other replies, but this seems like a hardware issue possibly compatibility with this USB controller.

[@pilljr.3331]

Perhaps if you had opened the instructions pamphlet the size of the thermal pad would have been explained...

[@whitehoose]

Care to expand that ? While the pads are still included in the box the latest version of said instructions make no mention of them. Just copied 30Gb of mixed files. The controller is the most obvious target, that area still runs quite hot constantly, the rest isn't particularly warm. I've fixed to cover the controller and adjacent chip then used the rest in a patchwork line down the rest of the board - if nothing else it makes the aluminium sink lay flat without low spots.

[@garyscoville7741]

That pad doesn't really look like it's making any contact at all with the heat sink. I would probably use two pads to make sure there was good contact for optimal heat transfer. That looks kind of sweet though!

[@MikeFaucher]

Thanks. I did do an impression check and it did make contact but good point. Thanks.

[@whitehoose]

2 pads will insulate not improve the contact (you can't avoid trapping air in the adhesive). Use either single 1 or 2 mm pads no more, if the ssd is pressed all the way home in the socket it should seat even on 1mm

[@bentheguru4986]

I use these, perform well. Best option now for those needing USB boot drives mounted internally in Servers. No more issues of dead/failed USB thunmb drives.

[@MikeFaucher]

Ben TheGuru Absolutely. Thanks.

[@montazownianr1]

Any problems with heat?

[@bentheguru4986]

@@montazownianr1 Sort of, I use in Servers that have airflow, (Not home PC's server wannabees) so not an issue. If used as a portable drive, yes, they get toasty. What should also be noted, these draw a lot of power compared to normal flash. Must use good quality, short cable and always try to connect to rear panel on a PC, not fronts that are already extended on cables.

[@tobinclarke9500]

I am having a little issue with this enclosure. I can get this device to work with my samsung 950 pro m.2 on my pc but i cannot access my ntfs partition on my laptop. i can see it as an enclosure and save to remove device but whenever I go into the explorer i cannot see the partition. the laptop has both types of usb and C and its the same issue.

[@MikeFaucher]

You may not have a drive letter assigned. Right-click on the Start button and go to disk management and see if you see the drive there and make sure it shows a healthy partition there. Make sure their is a drive letter next to it. If no drive letter the right click on the partition and select "Change drive letter and paths". The only other option is that your drive may be bad. You can also try and delete the parttion and recreate it. Hope that helps.

[@croppnica]

They only put two pads in the package cause those should only be applied to the chipset controller, that's the only piece on that board you want to be " cooled ". Memory modules actually work better with higher temps for data transfer speed, and actually help with the lifespan of the memory.

[@MikeFaucher]

Thanks for your input.

[@jaimemedina3351]

This is awesome Mike! Nice job. New subscriber.

[@MikeFaucher]

Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

[@MichaelBlueMusic]

If you move the SSD stick to a different enclosure, will the data still be on there, or do you have to set it up like a whole new drive? Thanks!

[@MikeFaucher]

The data will stay with drive and is not tied to the enclosure.

[@MichaelBlueMusic]

Thank you!

[@rashmipatel4602]

actually, both option gives me the same error 'incorrect function'... Any ideas as to why I maybe getting that error plz?

[@MikeFaucher]

See my other replies.

[@newsmansuper2925]

[1] would you take the samsung sticker of first for better thermal transfer? [2] How is a silicon pad not an insulator?

[@MikeFaucher]

Great questions. 1. You can take the sticker off but many drives such as the Samsung's it is not a paper label but a metallic label and only makes 1-2 degrees difference however it does void your warranty so it is really up to you. I leave mine on in every case and have more than 12 NVMe drives. 2. This is not a traditional silicone and is actually a thermal transfer material which is surprisingly effective. thanks for the questions.

[@nickfrechette19]

I just purchased one and installed an SSD with files on it, MY PC found it and showed all my files on the SSD I installed.. I just cant transfer files to my PC from the external SSD. it just freezes at 0%..

[@MikeFaucher]

Have not seen that before, it may be a USB issue. Do you have other USB drives you can try?

[@nickfrechette19]

@@MikeFaucher I will try another port/drive. Thank you for the video!

[@antoniojesus0803]

Please , is'it correct to cover all parts with the blue paste ? Thanks

[@MikeFaucher]

No problem covering all the parts.

[@antoniojesus0803]

@@MikeFaucher Thank You ! I did it

[@beerborn]

I got one of these if you plan of upgrading your OS system on a laptop or desktop from an HD or SSD drive to a NVMe .2 drive by way of cloning. But make sure the motherboard on your laptop or desktop will take NVMe.

[@MikeFaucher]

Thanks for your input.

[@ernestdaniels1671]

The heat sink pad included looks like it's for a 2242 NVMe drive

[@MikeFaucher]

Yeah, it is a bit small. Good catch.

[@juliosouto9659]

I sit possible to connect an egpu to this enclosure and play games on laptops?

[@MikeFaucher]

Technically yes but depending on the eGPU, you might be better off with a thunderbolt drive for speed.

[@shadowaussien7743]

i keep getting hardware failure. this enclosure doesn't seam to work even with provided heat sinks

[@MikeFaucher]

Sorry to hear that. What kind of hardware failure? Are you sure it is not the USB?

[@starapostle7]

Thanks for the reviews ,very interesting.

[@MikeFaucher]

Paul Humphrey Thank You.

[@QyXR2]

How did you pop off the top so easily? I had to use a flat head screw driver to open it. Also, Is it really necessary to use the thermal pad? I don't want to stick it on my nVME card.

[@MikeFaucher]

The one I had came apart pretty easily. It may be a tolerancing thing and they may have tightened the build since testing these. As for the thermal pad, I would highly recommend using it as nVME runs hot. The pad is non stick and can be removed at any time without leaving any residue on your drive. Hope that helps.

[@QyXR2]

Thanks for the great video. The user's manual was no help. The thermal pad wasn't sticky at all like I thought. So, I am going to use it on my nvme card. Thanks again.

[@MikeFaucher]

@@QyXR2 No problem and good luck!

[@xmetaldome]

I assume that USBA would connect to computer having USB3.0 and computer having USB2.0(I know it won't have that USBC speed, just asking for compatibility) OR it won't connect?

[@MikeFaucher]

It should but I have not tried it.

[@cwtjones]

when i clone the old m.2 to new m.2 via usb 3, the red heat sink was very hot ( i did not measure it, maybe around 70 to 80 °)C. i did not use the thermal pad, becaue i plan to install the old m.2 into the enclosure later.

[@MikeFaucher]

Thought these drives can safely run that hot as they effectively slow themselves down, you should always use a thermal pad and heatsink, if for no other reason that to prevent constant throttling. nVME drives regulate their performance based on heat very much as a CPU will, the hotter it gets the slower it gets. The only difference is throttling will take place in approximately 2-3 minutes without a heatsink. Thanks for the feedback and good luck.

[@cwtjones]

@@MikeFaucher the drive was touching the red aluminium metal, i thought it was sufficient to spread the heat. Is the heat sink pad hard to remove after i stick them on?

[@MikeFaucher]

No, thermal pads come right off and do not harden. They do not require and work at all to remove.

[@Tara-cu7nc]

Thank you

[@MikeFaucher]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@produccionjarocha]

works with Sabrent 1TB Rocket NVMe 4.0 Gen4 PCIe M.2 Internal SSD?

[@Utkarsh_A]

It will work, but I wouldn't recommend using such a high end SSD as you're not going to reap the benefits of it in an enclosure like this

[@KhurramSSiddiqui]

Good and detailed review (y)

[@MikeFaucher]

Thanks for the feedback. Appreciate it.

[@joseluisbrear.5196]

You forgot to make a copy test. You did a write test...I mean from the USB unit to the computer.

[@MikeFaucher]

Thanks, as reading from the device is always faster I neglected to put them in. Thanks for pointing that out.

[@joseluisbrear.5196]

@@MikeFaucher Mike you know I am aware of your videos, please the next time, again, please, do a write test and and copy test. Keep on doing it with an only and big file. That's is the best way of taking advantage of the bandwidth.

[@MikeFaucher]

@@joseluisbrear.5196 Point taken and I will do that. Thanks for the feedback.

[@joseluisbrear.5196]

@@MikeFaucher Thank you for your reply and please keep me in mind for next time.

[@MikeFaucher]

@@joseluisbrear.5196 Will do.

[@CozyRodent]

can you take of the metal heatsink?

[@MikeFaucher]

No, it is part of the enclosure.

[@slybunda]

heatsink only needs to be on the controller chip not the nand.

[@MikeFaucher]

Technically yes, but going across the the entire SSD makes for better and more stable mounting. Good point.

[@eduardozanon9429]

Can i first format the drive directly on Orico or it need to be formated before? Just plugged mine here with a Samsung Evo 970 Plus and nothing happened...

[@MikeFaucher]

You are able to format the drive directly but if it is a brand new drive, go to the "Disk Management" in windows and it will prompt you to initialize the drive and format it.

[@yongwoo1020]

Is that case largely made of plastic? If so, how does it stand up to any heat generated?

[@MikeFaucher]

The case is plastic an seems to hold up ok.

[@kira75020]

Care there is 3 type of ORICO M.2 ENCOLOSURE (NVME only, SATA ONLY, NVME & SATA) !!

[@MikeFaucher]

Thanks.

[@unknownfilmmaker777]

Can I use one of these to clone my NVMe C drive to it as a backup?

[@MikeFaucher]

Absolutely as long as your software will support cloning to USB.

[@unknownfilmmaker777]

@@MikeFaucher Macrium Reflect says: You can clone to a drive installed in your computer or to a drive that is attached using a USB caddy

[@MikeFaucher]

@@unknownfilmmaker777 Great to hear. Acronis also works with it.

[@Martin-ot7xj]

Hi there, it was very useful and interesting tutorial video. Keep it up. Thnx

[@MikeFaucher]

Thank you!

[@3daddict154]

if you were to use a cheap crappy NVmE drive like the Crucial P1 1TB 3D NAND NVMe PCIe M.2 this would be a good cheap external the P1 only gets to speeds about 1800mbs anyway so the loss is not a lot but you would i'm assuming still get the almost 1000mbs out of it

[@MikeFaucher]

That would work. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@jimbrannan5825]

I have switched over entirely to these. They are inexpensive, come in multiple sizes. I had a Samsung T5 that worked well when you had a USB-C port for it but as soon as you had to put a USB A end on it, the speeds dropped down to 40 MBs . It was the craziest thing. These don't do that. They are fast all the time. They have other brands for about $20 though that aren't see through that work just as well and I like better. I think aluminum will disapate the heat better. I guess it's 2021 and price has come dows.

[@MikeFaucher]

Thanks for the feedback. Appreciate it.

[@jimbrannan5825]

@@MikeFaucher I would like to add that it's not the enclosure that is fast. The enclosure is just wiring to make the NVME SSD hook to you USB port. They are all mostly the same.

[@garyclement5527]

How are you? I'm trying to run this drive (Orico NVME M.2 SSD Enclosure). The drive I'm running is a Crucial P2M.2 and In initialize I accidentally erase the files on the M.2 NVMD. I contact Crucial for re download of the files. Before I erased the files, my system told me the drive was not compatible with the drive. The system I'm using is a Apple MacBook Pro early 2011, running OSX10.13.6 (which is the last OS for this machine) 2.3 Intel Core I5 with 6gb of Ram. Please give me your advice. Please contact me

[@MikeFaucher]

Any NVMe will work with this enclosure however if you are using the drive from an old system or if it new, you MAC may want to initialize which will erase everything on it and it should have warned you that would happen. This is common behavior any new external drive you put on your system and has little to do with enclosure. If you have already initialized the drive, the drive should now work but unfortunately there is not much that can be done for the data that was lost unless you have a back up.

[@garyclement5527]

@@MikeFaucher - thanks for your help. I got it straight.

[@alvanfidel]

7:40 what is different beetween MBM and GPT?

[@MikeFaucher]

MBR (master boot record) is mostly what is used for legacy systems with BIOS. GPT is disks are used by (UEFI) systems and you can have 4 more partitions on the drive. GPT is also required for disks larger than 2T.

[@SgtJoe86]

Does this work with nvme drives that comes with onboard heatsinks (eg. Corsair MP600)? Do you also have the dimension (thickness) of the heat pad required? Wouldn't want to buy a heat pad that's too thick or thin.

[@MikeFaucher]

It comes with different size pads. As for working with drives that have a heatsink, I am not sure. I do not have one to test. Great question.

[@gordonlim2322]

Do you need to put the stickers on the other side as well?

[@MikeFaucher]

You can but I did not. Thanks

[@gordonlim2322]

@@MikeFaucher and did it overheat?

[@MikeFaucher]

@@gordonlim2322 THey run hot with or without the bottom pad. I did try it with my own pads as they do not come with it.

[@MrKevinokane]

Do I need to disconnect my other disk drive

[@MikeFaucher]

No, this is just a USB drive.

[@MrKevinokane]

@@MikeFaucher thank you. Got sorted. Had crypto on it and was afraid it might damage files etc

[@MikeFaucher]

@@MrKevinokane Great to hear.

[@Kuala_Lumpur]

I think they listened cause the one I just got came with longer thermal pad.

[@MikeFaucher]

Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it.

[@광동아재廣東大叔]

Did you have any heat problems? I just wanted to have some detailed info about that 'cause I bought one Chinese stuff before just like the above one, it was so hot I couldn't even touch it with my bare hands.

[@MikeFaucher]

They do get hot because of the nvme drive. Mine gets hot but it can can be picked up. Without active cooling all will get pretty warm.

[@thisandthatguy1156]

Can it be used like a day to day external hdd? Especially with the heat going on for like 12-16 hours daily.

[@MikeFaucher]

It should be OK but I would not use is for critical applications for that period of time.

[@thisandthatguy1156]

@@MikeFaucher thanks. pity though. they're fast, but can't really use them much.

[@Gman4MF]

7:19 start test

[@MikeFaucher]

Thanks.

[@eriksonvaldes5670]

PCi Express 3.0 or 4.0?. Thanks

[@MikeFaucher]

3.0

[@joonajks]

Would this set up be great to edit videos on my 2012 MacBook Pro in your opinion?

[@MikeFaucher]

It would certainly work as I have done that many times however it is not as fast as thunderbolt or your built-in drive.

[@joonajks]

Mike Faucher thank you!

[@kc4ca]

hello. does it still work? after a long time...

[@MikeFaucher]

Yes, it still works.

[@CaptainsVelexesHD]

Could you recommend this adapter if you want to install games on it to run them faster?

[@MikeFaucher]

As long as your happy with the performance of your USB controller they it should work but it will not be as fast as an internal drive.

[@CaptainsVelexesHD]

@@MikeFaucher How much of a read/write loss do you expect?

[@MikeFaucher]

@@CaptainsVelexesHD Hard to say. If the game runs mostly in memory it should be OK. USB has a bit more latency. It is worth trying just have not run it that way before. I have used if for video editing with no issues.

[@handcannon9814]

What about the temperature

[@MikeFaucher]

I did not measure the exact temperature as it varies on load but they do run hot.

[@veijolalli326]

You should really only cool the control chip.

[@slybunda]

awsome. need usb 3.2 for double the speed.

[@MikeFaucher]

Absolutely. Thanks.

[@mrmotofy]

Why settle for USB 3.2 lets go for USB 3.5 and be done

[@JorisKeijser]

@@mrmotofy USB 3.5? Current USB is 3.2 gen 1, gen 2 and gen 2x2. The next gen will be USB4.

[@JorisKeijser]

This is USB 3.2 Gen 2 which is 10Gigabit/s (1.25GB/s). The current highest version would be 3.2 Gen 2x2 with 20Gb/s.

[@theoldtechhandheldtinkerer4092]

This is very late, but keep in mind that this enclosure is only Gen2 so it's only 10Gbps compared to the 40Gbps of a Gen4.

[@MikeFaucher]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@Finik_34]

инглиш непонимаю но виос Очень понравился, Loved it.

[@MikeFaucher]

Я признателен за это. Спасибо

[@ZoolHakeemLordbyte]

U shoud remove the sticker first on the nvme then u paste on top of the cip its better,if not... is useless u put thermal pad on top of the sticker,just my 2cent.

[@MikeFaucher]

You are correct however if you remove the sticker it does void the warranty and in my testing only makes it about 4 degrees cooling. As the label is copper, not really worth it for the 4 degree gain.

[@_arturjutkowiak_film]

So, this is how you open this shit. They didnt bother mention it in the manual.

[@MikeFaucher]

Detailed manuals are a thing of the past. Don’t see many anymore.

[@paveldeveraux2729]

I can barely see the speed marks on a full screen in a 11" laptop.... We'll take your word for it id you''ll mention it, but didn't even bother to do that too either.... I guess that to se your benchmark we would need to have a 27" monitor but about our poor souls with a smart phone or a tablet?... Kindly isolate the benchmark so it'll occupy at least half od the screen!

[@MikeFaucher]

Thanks for the feedback, I will make it larger on future videos.

[@MrGerhow]

The pad size is deal breaker for me .

[@MikeFaucher]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@TheTRYTYTKA]

This is not USB 3.1 !!!!! its not possible to fet 10 Gbs on USB 3.1. You can do that od Thunderbolt 3, 4 USB 4.0

[@MikeFaucher]

If you look up the specs, USB 3.1 Gen 2 is 10Gbs. Thunderbolt is 3, 4, and USB 4 are 40 Gbs. Thanks for the feedback.

[@TheTRYTYTKA]

@@MikeFaucher 99.95% USB 3.1 are gen 1 / max5 Gb, so it is misinformation. We are in real life not in spec painted on A4.

[@MikeFaucher]

@@TheTRYTYTKA Though I respect your opinion, that has not been my experience. Also, I reported what I tested and did not misinform anyone. I do agree that there is a lot of 3.1 Gen1 out there even though almost everything I have is Gen 2, It would not be fair to test a Gen 2 product at Gen1 speeds as that would be even more misleading and would not do justice to a next-gen product. Much like testing a Thunderbolt 3 drive in a Thunderbolt 2 system. I understand your point and appreciated your input but it is my job to test things as they were designed. THanks

[@feynmanwasagenius3482]

If you are converting it to USB 3.1 then surely you would get just a fast a speed with a standard SSD. The main benefit of NVME over standard SSD is the faster communication, but if you are throttling that through a USB connection then it wont be any quicker than a standard SSD drive.

[@MikeFaucher]

You are correct except there is much variation in USB 3.1 as there is Gen 1 and Gen 2. Theoretically, Gen 2 is 10gigs/sec which is roughly 1.2 gigs/sec (which you never reach) and on paper twice the speed of SATA. Allot depends on which system you are putting this on and how they implemented USB 3.1, but you bring up a great point. Thanks for the input.

[@feynmanwasagenius3482]

@@MikeFaucher Yeah fair enough, I guess a standard SSD would probably only reach 500-600 mb/s but I still think it seems daft to spend so much on an nvme and then throttle it through a usb 3.1 to be honest. but to be fair my comment was a little on the hasty side.

[@RealLifeLifeHacks]

thats a useless pad because it will not be in contact with the heat sink.. and if it is really in contact, the cover will not slide back in because of the sticky nature of the thermal pad.. thats a REALLY POOR design.. if you can slide the cover back in, the pad is not in contact.. so i dont see why you make the pad size a big deal when it wont be really functional in the first place

[@MikeFaucher]

Good observation. It does actually contact the drive enough to transfer heat. There are better designs for sure, but under normal use it works OK. Thanks for the comment.

[@RealLifeLifeHacks]

it makes contact with the drive for sure as it is where it is installed, but the other side that is supposed to contact the heat sink is not touching. . i have similar enclosure with sliding cover from orico as well. gets so hot on huge transfers. this is why you will never see a cpu or gpu heat sink that is sliding type, it is always dropped into place and secured because of the sticky nature of a thermal compound or pad..

[@moonbind]

you need to separate thermal cooling for controller and the memory chips; chips can get thermal transfer from the controller actually, and that can be bad for chips!

[@MikeFaucher]

True there are differences is thermal resistance between the controller and memory both are well within the MFG specs and not really an issue in most home applications. Good point.