RATE THE SUPER! Super Smash Bros Ultimate 2021 Edition

[@The_Silverblast]

Max: “A one for one creation of advent children? Unbiased 10/10!” Also Max: “A one for one recreation of joker’s all out attack? That was ok 8/10.”

[@knightro9235]

Max: The references don’t necessarily make it better… Also Max: OMG HE USES THE ICONIC ATTACK FROM FINAL FANTASY VII 12/10

[@captainnwalps6689]

“The lore doesn’t make it any better” Sephiroth turns into a JPEG “OMG HE USES THE SOLAR SYSTEM TO FUCK YOU UP”

[@toromaniac2232]

@@captainnwalps6689 I love the mental image of Sephiroth turning into a 200ft 2010-era meme JPEG as his ultimate attack

[@Gpop119]

I think what greatly affected the rating was the fact that it took 30 min just to set it up for the special ending that he got tired and had high expectations for it in the end to be worth all the effort. It's unfortunate since I think it's one of the best ones imo as well, and I didn't even finish the game yet.

[@16ktsgamma]

Max is so biased he can't hide it

[@leonardchurch814]

Did Max REALLY cut out the part where he spent like FIVE MINUTES trying to get Jokers super on Mario??? Lmao.

[@runningwithscissors8612]

The rage when he missed needed to be immortalized

[@Mystical_one]

@@runningwithscissors8612 everyone in chat was hilarious

[@GucciPucciMIH]

Unintentional pun?

[@Zion349]

I was hoping to see the whiff that happened with Mario ! Why 😂

[@madeuinheavan108]

@@GucciPucciMIH wym

[@HappyPotat]

What makes Steve's final smash so great is the random as fuck zombie caught in the cobwebs making the scene look like Sakurai just built and recorded the scene authentically in minecraft itself.

[@RekRakJat]

That's exactly what he did, you can tell it's just a Minecraft recording and it's amazing. The only thing about it I'd change is having Steve look on at the destruction while eating the steak, instead of facing the camera. Maybe at the end, have him turn towards it.

[@sinteleon]

@@RekRakJat But cool guys don't look at explosions. :X

[@CaribbeanOlympian]

@@sinteleon ^This.

[@codered1132]

@@RekRakJat if he was looking at the explosion that would take away the badassery

[@joshm9363]

Never noticed that at all but it makes a lot of sense.

[@neoshenlong]

The fact that they perfectly recreated Persona 5's all out attack even including different victory screens if you win the battle with it is absolutely a 10/10

[@K7TZ]

Yea I was pissed how he didn’t put joker as 10/10 but cloud did

[@joelnascimento6675]

@@K7TZ because he’s biased towards ff7

[@neotamashi79]

Easily 10/10 I agree, I even love the fact that the sparkle effect for when Joker pulls his glove down in his iconic pose, that it should be blood, so the fact to see like Steve, Sora, Sepiroth, etc. just bleeding to death, and instant, “GAME!”, I just find that funny lmao-

[@jmurray1110]

Not perfectly They sped it up for a pointless reason

[@cristianlopez3065]

Bro, the effort it took for Joker's Super lmao

[@bluejacket8557]

😂😂😂 should have been included

[@JojoDigitalArtist]

How did it take that much effort? It's just killing someone with it on the last stock?

[@deco7217]

@@JojoDigitalArtist The effort is in actually landing it. It's hard as hell. But when you land it, it's well worth it as a persona fan.

[@vincewilliamss]

@@deco7217 if I remember right you can't use it in training mode or it ends differently or something like that?

[@captainnwalps6689]

@@JojoDigitalArtist like 30 minutes of setup and then he missed so he had to redo it all

[@JozannaHanawalt]

It is literally impossible for Max to be unbiased about anything FFVII related in another game. 12/10. XD Sephiroth’s super is great, though. I would rate Joker’s higher than an 8/10, just based on style and flair alone, and I don’t even play the game.

[@BloodLegaZ]

Joker's is a 12/10 for that sparkle effect. I remember laughing so hard when I first seen that because fans know that should be blood. AMD the thought of having Mario, minecraft steve, and freaking Sephiroth bleeding out in the background is just too darn good.

[@galaxy_kitten95]

I’m not even into Persona and I would give Joker’s super a high 10 on the visuals alone. 💯

[@青雷の戦士]

joker is a 0/10 to me in everything

[@empty9926]

@@青雷の戦士 liking your own comment

[@青雷の戦士]

@@empty9926 Believe it or not, I didn't. There is someone on KZbin who agrees with me

[@RadiantMantra]

On Joker's FS "It's mostly is established on like UI/visual flair" Accurate representation of Persona then.

[@n4riko]

i skipped to the middle of the video and he exactly said that while reading this comment ??

[@matchanavi]

@@n4riko this comment is quoting him

[@demi-fiendoftime3825]

Greetings doom guy you excited for SMT 5

[@RadiantMantra]

@@demi-fiendoftime3825 Hell yea baby

[@blackmanwhitesuit]

This --might be-- is the most I've disagreed with Max's ratings. I felt he undervalued how great the P5 copies the style of the game AND had the game end screen similar to Sora. I felt he overvalued Terry's super, because it's nice for fighting game players, but it's not that interesting.

[@LupineHero]

"That didn't stop them with Bayonetta." Actually, they really tried. She got nerfed REALLY HARD... and was still the best character in the game. It's frightening to think how bad it would have been if they hadn't.

[@MasterKcoop]

Ok but why’d they nerf her taunts.

[@DigiTensei]

Not only was she nerfed in the first balance patch after her release, the second and last balance patch after her release was literally only about her with a whole page of nerfs lmao.

[@5thkiechannel]

She at least has a kill jab now thankfully so I would say she’s mid or low high tier

[@IamNster]

Nah I was there when she got nerfed. The "nerfs" were at best a slap on the wrist. Iirc they were like "less hitstun on fair" or some shit. They really didnt do anything to address the actual problem with her, being the 0-deaths off of a counter/single neutral win

[@PurpleSkiesRF]

@@IamNster One of the big nerfs was a change in the knockback angle on her qcf aerial side b. They basically ripped off an entire combo branch which really didn't amount to anything because of her other existing options anyway. They essentially gave you a smaller variety of ways to zero to death people.

[@brendanb2982]

Max using the vine boom shook me more than it should've.

[@jojak0512]

Wait, when did that happen? I might just desensitized to it at this point and didn't notice honestly.

[@brendanb2982]

@@jojak0512 0:54

[@zaciorfida-costanzo706]

You got a time stamp?

[@alternateA]

I thought he hired an editor to compile his KZbin vids?

[@rsotuyo15]

Isn't it called the THUD SFX?

[@kangarapps368]

I think Plants is pretty cool considering it’s a reference to a boss in Brawl and Joker’s is a 10 as well because it’s literally a 1-1 copy of the All Out Attack in P5.

[@KaminariHouse]

He's mostly (besides Cloud) going on pure visuals and what is being done to the opponent, not referential stuff though.

[@KaminariHouse]

@AT Productions That's why I said _besides_ Cloud.

[@megamecha7599]

They got the va for each character in Joker’s too

[@crunchy8832]

@@aman541 Stars lowkey fit better imo

[@Impalingthorn]

Did you just call Petey Pirahna a Brawl reference...

[@UltimaShadowX]

To answer your question, Max. I assume we will get a handful of spirits and balance patches now, but in terms of big content updates, we're done. Smash 4 had several balance patches after Bayonetta released.

[@Neoxon619]

I think we only got one or two balance patches post-Bayonetta back during 3DS/Wii U, so I'd imagine that the same will happen here post-Sora.

[@superbeta1716]

Didn't Bayo get nerfed once?

[@fernandobanda5734]

@@superbeta1716 She was immediately nerfed and then there was another patch dedicated only to nerfing her beyond the initial thing

[@bornabrawler]

Pardon me for the cringe comment, but we are for sure a future patch to some extent because they didn't add all of the event Spirits to the Spirit Board and Shop, meaning a new patch will have to come out to make those available. I know I'm the only person who cares, but yeah, we will definitely get another small patch (which may include fighter changes).

[@TheNamekianClown]

@@bornabrawler All of the previous event spirits are definitely in the regular pool already. Razewing Ratha, Sakuna, Dread, etc, they are all there. I do agree though there will probably be more balance patches and fingers crossed for more spirit events as well.

[@weebsquit347]

Joker and Sephiroth's final smash are my favorites. All out Attack is stylish and Supernova is always a spectacle. But without a doubt, all DLC Final Smash attacks are super flashy and cinematic. There's just something so cool about using a character's already familiar ultimate attack on another character. You can use Supernova on a poor Pikachu. And that same Pikachu can use his gen 4's Volt Tackle on Ken Masters, and so on and so on. I feel like we don't appreciate these as much.

[@ayar2]

Yo Videogames certainly does, thats why their smash content is my favorite, no over analyzing things like frame data, just some dudes having a literal "Blast" with the game.

[@bruhm0ment6000]

They put the effort to remake safer sephiroth when we haven't seen his angelic form for over 20 years

[@blackmanwhitesuit]

Yeah, reminds me of the DLC supers of Samurai Showdown for comparison. The DLCs, even the weak ones in Min-Min and Pyra, were decent. Joker and Seph supers are just so good

[@Saben.C-Spoon]

I think about that last part all the time I was playing as Sora vs like Banjo or something on the Tekken stage and I was like "holy shit this is a real video game" and I have had these kinds of moments since Ultimate's release

[@andred.3687]

We really don’t, it’s amazing honestly :)

[@SquidwardProfilePic]

Biases aside the best final smash is definitely Ridley. The Samus ship is literally in the background exploding and falling afterwards.

[@fendelphi]

I also really enjoy K.Rool's for the sheer over-the-top of it all.

[@aidenmb7932]

I have bias on ridley's because hes my main and my favorite character in metroid

[@bleepblock2177]

@@aidenmb7932 same man

[@yugijak]

0:55 Max's face for that The Rock meme is great

[@mikeheath4916]

For Hero it always stays the same except for the Hero you're playing as. The characters alongside Hero are the protagonists from the DQ games that didn't make it into Smash.

[@christianlopez707]

The only thing that changes is the scream that Hero makes.

[@doom3926]

I agree on Sephiroth. Regardless of whether what you’re seeing in that final smash is technically an illusion, the fact that Smash has a super where you can see, on-screen that the Earth gets fucking blown up is pretty wild.

[@StarlightMagician]

And at least the cinematic doesn't take two whole minutes to play out like the original game.

[@arielgonzalez008]

But it's still the longest Final Smash in the game, at 8 seconds

[@Balfour715]

According to the guides, Supernova isn't an illusion. It works like a summon of him pulling you into an alternate dimension where stuff is already happening. Now is it actually as powerful as a real one? Can't tell you but the attack is legit

[@richie404]

Banjo, Joker, Terry, Sephiroth, Steve and Sora final smash are my favorites ones. But Terry is just too badass.

[@tyrantravealpha]

The combination of Geyser, Dunk and WULF is just too awesome.

[@KevSB07]

HERE IS THE BIG ONE

[@tyrantravealpha]

@@KevSB07 BUSTAH WULF

[@tylerreardon5866]

I just love how ferocious his voice is

[@codered1132]

POWWAAH GEEYZAAAA!!!!

[@Jev619]

Max with FF7 stuff: "This is quite possibly the greatest thing humanity has ever achieved!! 69/10!" Max with literally anything else: "Eh.. it was okay. 7/10."

[@HeavyShores]

Completely unbiased

[@Couldbedumber]

And he’s correct

[@Nestix_the_stupid_one]

With all the dlcs final smashes, they went pretty damn hard on the references to original games, and it pains me that max didn't really take into consideration the references for the games i actually like lol. The extra touch on joker's final smash is unbelievably cool, and it even changes depending on the color of mementos, like his other victory screen. And the fact that pyra and mythra got different final smashes, with each of them being their level 4 from the original game was pretty cool, but i think it would be cooler if they added in the effect of you finishing a chain combo with each of them, using the base combos of triple fire or triple photon or even the more complicated combos, who knows. A bit disapointed, but definitely a 7 at least

[@squilly.w]

Joker will always be 10/10 regardless to me It's the most flashy and sick looking super in the game

[@superbeta1716]

It's easy a 10/10 and I have not even played Persona 5, if Max talked about how Cloud is a 1-1 exact recreation from Advent Children and has a 10 then Joker should also have a 10 since it's also an exact recreation from P5

[@knsmovieman9971]

@@superbeta1716 he just said he was bias so I’ll let it slide.

[@djhero0071]

He is ABSOLUTELY biased (which he is well within his right to be). He also knows absolutely nothing about Persona which probably influences why he gave it an 8 (I’m a persona fan who has never played 5 but that shit was a 10/10 all day and twice on Sunday).

[@knsmovieman9971]

@@djhero0071 I would give it a 10 but since I put 800+ hours into Persona 5 Royal, I saw it a billion times. So I gave it a 8/10.

[@SuperFusionAJ93]

@@superbeta1716 It’s Bullshit Blazing

[@ten7554]

Games Max hasnt played: its referential Games he has: TEN OUTTA TENNNNN

[@587DeathKing]

Mega Man's final smash was so good they re-used it twice for the DLC characters.

[@therivermarquis]

As someone who's favorite franchise is Dragon Quest I'm glad they did. Mega Man has the best final smash from the roster and it's not even close

[@christianlopez707]

I mean it's a pretty cool idea. Getting every protagonist in a series come together for a grand attack is just pure awesome.

[@Geneolgia]

Can't blame them, those final smashes were a bunch of other characters beat the shit out of the opponent are the best ones.

[@ikarainijirai]

Steve's is underrated because he actually taunts TWICE when he hits you with it; one with him eating the meat and two when he starts teabagging at you when the cutscene ends

[@trevorghalt1881]

Max: It was a Tekken 7 out of 10 Me: Dang, that was clean

[@rchoung34]

I really hope the best of 2021 video has the part where Max missed Joker's final smash and just stared at the camera. That shit was hilarious

[@icedcapplord710]

All Out Attack is my favorite purely because of the extra detail of it cutting to the results if it K.O.'s everyone else on their last stock like the after-battle screen in Persona 3-5. It's fucking amazing. Sephiroth would be my favorite if it lasted a full minute like it does in FFVII

[@jignjorf9076]

All Out Attack has probably the most effort put into it because of the different combinations of character portraits and voice lines used at random, as well as the detail of finishing a match with it How Hero's was given a point higher than it is beyond me tbh

[@freeRKelly885]

All this time, I never knew it did that on K.O. That's awesome!

[@rosenrot234]

It was so cute when Ripley started making noise in the background so the chat was just "I HEAR BABY" lol

[@ego2133]

I've never played Persona but I feel like Joker's Final Smash clearly deserved a 10/10.

[@monkakonga4305]

It's just the move from p5, with no changes. It would be like giving ryu's shin shoryuken a 10/10.

[@Bhubnipz]

Man what I felt like 8 was inflated, there isn’t any impact to it and the ending is literally nothing

[@seandavis9320]

How is Cloud's a ten and Joker's not a ten? C'mon Max... I love FF7 and I've never played P5, but that's just silly. Joker has the sickest FS in the game. It literally has a special ending.

[@EinDose]

If Joker wanted a 10/10, he should've recreated a scene from Final Fantasy 7 expanded universe material. That's just what it takes, Max doesn't make the rules.

[@青雷の戦士]

joker is a 0/10 to me, just like everything else in his fighter pack.

[@Danewd98sChannelgaming]

@@青雷の戦士 nah, man. You are being too generous, Jokers stage isn't a compete 1/1 recreation of mementos do I'm gonna have to give his FS a -5/10

[@DMFDan2]

You don’t have to pretend Joker’s final smash is the best in the game. King K Rool and Ridley are literally right there lol

[@DMFDan2]

@PjaxKorea If there’s anything cooler than big lasers, it’s certainly not whatever the hell Joker’s final smash is…

[@CatastropheX0]

Joker's super is a 12/10 to the people who played the game.

[@StyleshStorm]

a shame his game is pedo bait

[@ShintaTakama]

@@StyleshStorm A reminder that the game is also targeted against adults who are shit in society.

[@theblackswordsman5051]

Played the game. It’s a 9 instead of 10 for the sparkles

[@yarution367]

@@StyleshStorm This makes zero sense to say

[@Zangelin]

@@StyleshStorm uh.. what? huh? How?

[@SuperFusionAJ93]

3:08 Akechi: That's quite the funny joke. It makes me want to puke

[@707zacbuster]

Kazuya final smash would've been a 10/10 if he did his 10 hit combo into earth wind god fisting you into the air then finishing you off with devil beam. It's a 6 for me

[@KingKP96]

The great thing about Smash is almost every Final Smash is a 10/10 to someone. Like Joker is an EASY 11/10 for me being such a perfect recreation of the All-Out Attack combined with the fact that all of the P5 party members outside Akechi can show up during it. Then you add the special victory screen for killing with it and it's a 15/10. So much love and attention to detail was put into this content that a fan of any series can look at their favorite character and just be proud of the work Sakurai and his team put into all of this.

[@pondscum9363]

Unless you're a sonic fan. Or a Kirby fan

[@onewingedakuma6835]

Talk about biased towards Persona 5

[@RSproductions3425]

@@pondscum9363 well, Sonic''s final Smash is Reference to Sonic Generations when you get S - Rank as Super Sonic. ıt's not an "Whoa" reference but it made me smile.

[@captainmega6310]

@@pondscum9363 Kirby's fs is fine. Who said otherwise

[@KingKP96]

@@onewingedakuma6835 talk about a completely redundant comment. It's not biased to like something or be impressed with it. Max giving Sephiroth such massive scores don't have to be seen as biased when everything about them is genuinely really good. How did you find a way to be a complete tool on a completely positive comment?

[@facepwnagewtf]

I think Sheik actually has the coolest looking Final Smash in the entire game.

[@theledgendtime1555]

Sephiroth am I a joke to you

[@Zaden_KT]

Of course, everyone will grade the supers higher than they are for the characters we like.

[@StarkMaximum]

Yeah a lot of people complaining Max rated things too low are fans of that thing. I assure you everyone in his chat ranking Kazuya's 8-10/10 were all Tekken fans. It's hard not to love the thing you love.

[@codered1132]

@@StarkMaximum that’s what I’m saying lol

[@DeLuxonn]

@@StarkMaximum I mean he definitely did rate Joker's FS too low. I'm not even a persona fan and I'm still impressed that they recreated the thing from the game and even gave it a unique win screen, if that doesn't deserve a 10 then I don't know what does.

[@kujakubes241]

@@DeLuxonn after an AOA it’ll actually do that, that makes a 10 on the spot

[@whatastandupguy3050]

@@DeLuxonn Wow they made the thing from the game, that’s unique and creative. Except wait it’s actually the opposite of that.

[@LnktheWolf]

Dude I didnt forget that Piranha Plant is in this game, he's one of my mains! That little potted plant bastard is stupid fun for some reason and I love it

[@papaG6423]

Safer Sephiroth hits you with the power of ALGEBRA!

[@kingleonidas2182]

I dropped everything to be here . I need this.

[@JKDoodleJack]

Same. I feel closure knowing Max gets to finally gets rate ALL the supers

[@gruggedup9083]

Some i can agree with but my personal favorite is Terry’s. I haven’t even played any game he is in and it’s still my favorite. The camera angle, the voice acting, the timing of buster wolf. It’s pure gold.

[@nathee3719]

My boy Max rated the 1 to 1 recreation of P5 all out attack an 8

[@ninjaruss4205]

If you played P5 it's the best xD

[@gasparguruoftime5475]

Yeah I haven’t even played P5 and I was pretty shocked he gave it less than a 9. For me it’s an 11.

[@c0mplex_Ale]

@@gasparguruoftime5475 And the slashy slashy Cloud Final Smash is clearly an unbiased 10/10

[@gasparguruoftime5475]

@@c0mplex_Ale I mean, the Advent Children update of it is a legit 11/10 for me too. The original one is kinda just ok. Doesn’t resemble the OG game very much.

[@Regolant1]

I swear to god, your bias sometimes hurts my soul max.

[@gtzice]

I thought joker final smash would have been a 10 /10 based off the way Max uses persona sound effects in his vids lol

[@5715klin]

3:19 It's mostly established on UI/visual flare 5:01 It's just really effective camera angles and really cool shots If it ain't exactly what P5 and the newer KOF are, respectively

[@chowellith]

He praises the Sephiroth one so much but its probably the worst "movie" one in this video. The timing is so damn fast it robs the explosion of any actual impact.

[@Hatsworthful]

@@chowellith At least its more visually interesting than byleth's.

[@chowellith]

@@Hatsworthful True

[@5715klin]

@@chowellith He's free to have his own opinions and biases. Though I wasn't criticizing Max either, just reaffirming these points because it exactly explains the design philosophies for the respective game's supers and thought it was interesting, with persona's limited animation combined with spectacular UI and FX design and what KOF14 and 15 does to enhance supers that otherwise would've just been a chain of specials

[@captainmega6310]

@@chowellith well that's just kunda wrong, but we can be wrong sometimes

[@Gamermario-lb3rq]

I wish there were patches to update final smashes because Daisy, Young Link, Robin, and Byleth really need it.

[@SlamBolts]

Watching this live was painful, the chat kept saying dumb stuff misleading Max into the wrong menus and settings

[@rancorious7785]

FGC fans when smash

[@RokushoTheRavager]

That's why it went to emote mode several times, because Smash fans are complete morons.

[@pumpdaddyg]

@@RokushoTheRavager MOST Smash fans are morons, not all of us are. Don’t put all of us with them

[@RokushoTheRavager]

@@pumpdaddyg Most yes, but I'm also a Smash fan myself. Been playing Smash since the N64, I just don't interact with the community because I have no respect for it. When I see people threatening to delete the game over 1 character they don't like or didn't want out of 89, I completely stop listening to anything they have to say.

[@Xedllin]

@@RokushoTheRavager imagine encountering a comment on a totally different game saying "you're opinion is shit because you're a fan of Sora in SSBU" like really? that's your counterargument to a comment about a mobile game that doesn't have anything to do with either Sora or Smash....

[@sonymicronin]

The best part of Sephiroth, Final Smash is the damn equations. Imagine being both physically nuked by a Supernova and mentally nuked by his sick ass theorems and math 😂

[@kingkeeper3570]

Max: “you don’t remember that piranha plant exists” Me (a plant main): “piranha who?”

[@zichithefox4781]

Plant is my "for fun" main. If I'm not taking it seriously, it's Plant or Dedede.

[@kingkeeper3570]

@@zichithefox4781 dedede is my for fun character as well funny enough

[@zichithefox4781]

@@kingkeeper3570 Hah, nice.

[@Medleypon]

Alright, but what if they wanted to be REALLY faithful and make Supernova two minutes long?

[@EinDose]

Two minutes long and literally can't kill.

[@BlazerK1914]

Cloud’s SUPER is Advent Children all over again. AWESOME 👏🏼

[@Zangelin]

Advent Children is the 'Other M' of Final Fantasy 7 Change my mind.

[@BlazerK1914]

@@Zangelin I’m not a big Final Fantasy fan, I simply enjoyed that movie.

[@raiderrayer5195]

@@Zangelin oh shut up

[@davidgrimaldo2861]

@@Zangelin honestly you’re right since both of them massacred their protagonist’s character and did irreparable damage to their respective franchise.

[@RivalLinkVO]

The FF7 bias is strong in this video.

[@AriaKyuKyu]

Not fair, Sephiroth had an easy win because he is too biased to FF 7 xD

[@andimari9194]

Well I mean even objectively it’s a 10/10. It’s like the best super in the game

[@Jfray252]

Sephiroth has one of the most impressive final Smash, however for cloud he is clearly biased and for mention FF7 is also my favorite game of all time but cloud is meh...

[@PortalTraveler]

Of course Sephiroth's is amazing but you know it's biased when he rates Joker's Final Smash lower than Hero's.

[@almilall]

@@PortalTraveler true

[@cocoearmuffs6207]

never played ff7 but Sephiroth's special was dope(9 or 10/10)! Cloud was a point or two too high by being a 10/10(probably a 7 or 8 for me) and joker deserved a 9/10 or 10/10 imo or at least tied with Sephiroth. The chat imo for Kazuya was very biased(they said 9 or 10/10) and almost seemed like they were trying to please max by trying to be fans of the FGC(and in doing so to please max's love for FGC) and fortunately max still gave an honest opinion for Kazuya which was a 6 to 7/10 because 10/10s are way to high for that final smash even for tekken fans.

[@HellfireComms]

Banjo's is a perfectly fair score. I like Sora's for being so simple (and clean) even if there's a TON of stuff you could've used for his FS.

[@justarandombluebird8222]

Blame Disney for this

[@TheSuperSmashBros01]

I see what you did there

[@luxraygaming2300]

Alright Max, I love you, but Hero's does not deserve to be a higher rank than Jokers, lol. Jokers is just straight up a 10/10 imo. It's a perfect recreation, it actually effects the end card if you win with it... yeah, it's amazing.

[@christianlopez707]

Interesting how the Square Enix characters got the best final Smashes.

[@SlimReaper04]

Max saying Cloud’s FS is a 10/10 “unbiased” because it recreated the scene from Advent Children… But he gives Joker FS, a recreation from Persona 5 with UI and visual flare, an 8/10… But of course “the references don’t make it more flashy”

[@sarcasticsuperjerk18]

“His opinion differs from mine, so he’s wrong” is what I heard.

[@StyleshStorm]

Inhale that copium.

[@bigwave1713]

@@sarcasticsuperjerk18 The issue I have is the “Unbiased” part. Max a lot of the times act like he is unbiased, but he is really not. Which is fine but just say something like “this is my opinion”

[@linkonar7823]

@@bigwave1713 The thing is no one can be truly unbiased. We as human beings think and express ourselves with any degree of feeling and depth no matter the circumstance. It’s ridiculous when someone is trying to say they’re being completely unbiased about anything when that isn’t true. There’s always a certain level of bias in anything.

[@VeryOriginalNickname_]

Am I the only one who saw the "unbiased" part as sarcasm?

[@sapphire5780]

I'm suprised Byleth's Final Smash ranked higher than Pyra and Mythra and as much as some others. It's just a big hit with the Sothis png in the background. Not even a good reference to anything in Three Houses.

[@RaK0]

Pyra's Final Smash is just lame and bland.

[@Hatsworthful]

@AT Productions planetary detonation (and an actually good reference) > palutenajr.png + pan tool > pyra/mytrha's final smash. Wouldn't even call p/m's final smash bad, just too basic.

[@parkedbusfish8259]

@@RaK0 Nah. They took her LV4 blade special from the original game and gave it some cinematic flair. Easy 8/10.

[@alexanderkosten7611]

@Lux Ignis I'm an extremely adamant Byleth defender, and even then... I think sothis.png is utterly indefensible as a Final Smash. Everything about it looks extremely low-quality, like a Brawl or Sm4sh Final Smash got ported directly to the new engine without remembering to update the particle effects or resolution. I certainly can't agree with putting down Min Min's one to elevate it, either.

[@Hatsworthful]

@Lux Ignis The idea of using byleth's top attack and cranking it up even further is really cool on paper, but they did a pretty shite job at it. If they at least made the powering up part be more cinematic and dynamic instead of "haha sothis.png goes wheee" it would have been a 7 (or maybe more).

[@TheAaaaaaaaaad12]

this rating is basically, if it's not Final fantasy, it's mostly 8 and below.

[@nikomiyaminaVODS]

Joker isn't from Final Fantasy, he's from Super Smash Brothers Ultimate for the Nintendo Switch

[@demilung]

Considering Joker's had different variants with different characters, voice lines and UI, and P5 all-out attack is stylish AF I'd rate it higher. But I am a Persona player.

[@KingDXVI]

I feel like if Kazuya's had the explosion at the end like it did in T7, it could've been up a little more

[@keybladewielder230]

I'm not feeling these ratings overall. But Joker's should've been 10/10 for its accuracy and unique flare.

[@rocketpajamas6969]

In my opinion I think Sora has one of the most underwhelming final smashes, it was hard carried here by the ending KO part which happens normally Out of anything they could have chosen to take from Kingdom Hearts, they decided to make him lock someone behind a literal big door, lock the door, then explode it and do a pose I just think it could have been so much more

[@leargamma4912]

Young link says hi

[@AtrumNuntius]

I mean it's hard to beat Sephiroth's cause it was essentially a flashier version of his Japanese Supernova from FF7 and he blows up the freaking sun and the Earth to get you.

[@sappydapd4092]

What a nice fella, that Sephiroth guy. Sending a meteor to smash into and destroy a planet, such a kind gesture. The thought and effort, that’s just so unbelievably kind.

[@tormxnta]

The fact that you give Piranha plant a 6/10 😭 it’s a ref to Subspace Emissary Piranha Plant

[@TheFirehands150]

Cloud's is like a VII/X It should have been a cutscene with zoom ins against Sephiroth. It's no different than any other slash rush if you dont get the reference.

[@HermitTFG]

Honestly, it’s pretty basic. There are so many better supers. I even like that it’s a Advent Children Reference, but it doesn’t ignore that it’s another slashy Smash. He should of gave it the same rating as greninja or Ike. I assume he gave them average rating cause he doesn’t care for those franchises, yet the smashes are identical to Clouds

[@Zangelin]

I see Clouds final smash and all I think is "Oh look, it's just Ike's final smash again"

[@thephoenix2038]

Sephiroth having the best smash is rightfully deserved

[@djbubblegum9975]

I think the only other character with a final smash as good as Sephiroth's is Ridley's. The fact that he smacks the opponent onto the side of Samus' ship and then blows up the ship, killing Samus and whoever his opponent was, is so sick.

[@mrcwillis6970]

These DLC character supers are just incredible. 👌 I’d give nearly all these supers 10/10

[@Hatsworthful]

Byleth's super is still a 4/10 though. Could have been a lot better if it wasn't like 80% 'sothis.png'

[@darylsdog9521]

Final smash

[@knsmovieman9971]

@@Hatsworthful it’s a 7 lol.

[@Hatsworthful]

@@knsmovieman9971 if you have godawful taste then yeah sure.

[@knsmovieman9971]

@@Hatsworthful it’s fine don’t hate

[@ceriani1234]

Man gave a j.peg the highest score, but gives Terry a lower score cut "its just camera work".

[@Zangelin]

well you see Terry wasn't in FF7

[@JTown465]

There was an interview where Sakurai said their still working on more balance changes after Sora's release, but part of the team is already starting to transfer to different projects

[@HKT-4300]

My favourite part about Sephiroth's final smash is that the first shot perfectly recreates the battle with Safer Sephiroth with both the camera angle and where the characters are standing, espeically if you manage to hit 3 opponents with it, they stand there exactly like the party in FFVII does right before they get Supernova'd

[@DarkAura19]

Max, I love you to bits, but if you're really about to claim Joker's final Smash isn't a 10 while also saying Omnislash Very. 5 is, just... Naw bud, haha.

[@Sjono]

Gotta give Piranha Plant, Pyra, Mythra & Kazuya for being SSBU DLC characters that don’t have Final Smashes that don’t take place exclusively in a cutscene

[@gasparguruoftime5475]

So, we almost certainly won’t get a roster like this in Smash 6. However….what if they just ported this game to their next system and added a few more characters? Would that be like a loop-hole that would allow them to keep all these existing ones without having to re-acquire all the rights again, as well as add new characters again? I’m not terribly familiar with if that could work or not.

[@raymaikeru]

No that wouldn't work. You're porting a game, in other words reselling the game, this you'd need to renew the licenses to keep them in. I can see the first party characters like Byleth, Pyra/Mythra, and Min-Min staying in. Everyone else is a maybe or a no.

[@that1jamo]

Terry's is still my personal favorite. You're right about the utility, but it feels so good landing one of those for some reason.

[@ZTorcher]

I feel like Joker's final smash was wrongly judged compared to Sephiroth's. In terms of representation and creativity, Joker's final smash is arguably the best. 10/10. It is short, sweet, and simple. Straight to the point like how Sakurai intended each final smash to be; needless to say, it does its job. The creativity is unique in a way, that coupled with the near-perfect representation it has, it rips the finisher straight out of the source game. Even going down to including the splash screen in the results if pulled off correctly, something that most of the final smashes do not have. And also considering how big of a deal Joker was with his inclusion, Joker set the high standard of what a DLC trailer/representation/inclusion is.

[@roxastheforgotten6994]

King K. Rool murking you and whoever else on Donkey Kong's island out of spite is the best, the absolute Chad and the reference is amazing.

[@yagokain4189]

Joker is 8/10 despite being by far the most true to the original final smash in the game (only difference is the stars which is blood in the og game) but Sephi is a 12/10 with dollarstore supernova, alright....

[@Anthonystuff1]

I've been waiting for this for years! Your Smash 4's rate the supers was how I found you

[@knsmovieman9971]

“From the popular Final Fantasy Series” your bout to piss of the whole fandom lol.

[@ThaPlaya1994]

I want someone to call Cloud a Persona character unironically just to see Max's reaction.

[@captainnwalps6689]

@@ThaPlaya1994 he probably wouldn’t react

[@HoodWeegee]

@@ThaPlaya1994 He'd easily see the bait, lean into it, and give a fake reaction. This dude has been trolling anime and JRPG fans for years. He knows the game lol

[@fapuloes]

The final smash of piranha plant is kinda neat because it resembles the first boss fight in Brawl. Nothing too crazy but I love whenever smash is referencing itself instead of other franchises

[@TheDatabaseNetwork]

My favourites from this selection are Cloud, Sephiroth, and Terry Bogard.

[@DestinySpider]

I feel like Max mis-remembers some of the base-game final smashes. King Dedede's and Ridley's for example are fucking crazy cool

[@TheEmperorGulcasa]

Pyra 5/10 Mythra, my feelings haven't changed either way 6/10.... Personally I like Pyra's a lot more. It's a bit faster into the final blow, you get a ridiculously big fire sword and a volcano. Mythra's starts up more slowly and it's supposed to be a rain of lasers but the slow falling light balls in a narrow cone just look a bit goofy.

[@Omnirok12]

i think mythra would've been VERY improved just by adding a shot of mythra's huge ass mech in space before shooting down the light beams

[@TheEmperorGulcasa]

@@Omnirok12 Yeah, would have been a big improvement. Also just changing the light balls to rays.

[@heatxsoul841]

that "reminder that he exists" that max says for piranha goes for me with baby bowser xD dont know why but i always forgett that he is in the game

[@JennDouglas]

Skipped the ff7 segments since I already knew what he was gonna rate them. After reading the comments my assumption gets a 10/10.

[@khal3121]

Persona stage has different winning theme depending the stage color (p3, p4 & p5) which is for me, it's awesome detail!

[@Klonoahedgehog]

I just realized how hilariously out of character Sora's final smash is, like he's just dumping random characters into the Darkness and closing the door behind them so they get killed by Heartless, and it's hilarious that Disney approved of that.

[@mirzapramudya1580]

Nah, they'll be fine

[@Zangelin]

That's not the interpretation I had. I figured he's just sealing the door to smash, trapping them in the game forever.

[@izazombiekiller]

I frickin love terrys. "BUSTA WOLF!" just hits too good man.

[@KinkouGhost]

Im going to be that guy and probably get shit on for this but i think Max's decision on best final smash is probably based on bias decision. Its a heavily watered down cut version of Supernova, obviously to keep the battles fast pace but nonetheless watered down. I have a good feeling if it was any other character who had the same copy going on there, he wouldnt have rated it as high and would have mentioned the reason i put above.

[@StrawberryMooosic]

Buster Wolf getting an 8 was robbery. The impact in that super is sublime. I think it damn sure stands up there with Cloud's "Ragnarok, except he actually did it first".

[@mkol1998]

Byleth super would be 7 out of 10 if it at least ended with an explosion or something, right now it feels really lackluster

[@Hatsworthful]

Either that or if the buildup to the actual attack wasn't shitty. Like yeah, having sothis power byleth up is rad but it just looks so lame in the way they did it.

[@Zangelin]

the way the Sothis jpeg shakes about and has no animation looks so bad too. I love Three Houses and wish that the FS wasn't so lame. It's like a 3/10

[@blivveries]

The "I Hit You And Drag You Into The Pain Dimension" episode of Rate the Super

[@burntoast2200]

Joker is a 12/10 my fav imo

[@TheXtremeBoltGuy]

Plant's is unironically awesome, both as a Sunshine reference and a Brawl Subspace reference. 8/10 from me

[@ajshiro3957]

Sephiroth does have a sick super. Him, Terry, Kazuya, and Sora i enjoy their supers

[@ogun4921]

I think the best part about Sephiroth's Final Smash is dependent on who you use it against. Like he just detonates a Sun to kill a f*cking Pichu 🤣

[@Linkaro2]

Pests control is serious business.

[@loluser21]

Max out here saying refferences dont matter, meanwhile hes gushing over ff7 like a baby, lmao

[@staticshock4239]

Because it's FF7, his favorite game ever.

[@guydangerus2468]

Didn't expect this to be so short? After the trailers vid being so long (which I loved) I thought this would be longer too. Ah well still cool.