MILGRAM - Muu's Second Voice Drama (Queen B)

[@a_black_box]

Don’t worry Muu I still love you *smashes guilty button*

[@Daw2050]

This would literally be me if I wasn't so scared of Haruka dying-

[@mcmona4171]

@@Daw2050 a part of me doesn't think Haruka will go through with it, if Muu gets a guilty verdict, she'll probably want to keep him around as that would be advantageous in many ways

[@Daw2050]

@@mcmona4171 a part of me thinks so too, but I still don't want to risk Haruka dying - or anyone for that matter - and voting Mu guilty even knowing that him dying is a possibility is pretty messed up imo. Haruka is clearly unstable right now, even if Mu doesn't want him to he might still do it, or even if he's restrained he could just do it right after getting free

[@IzzyD.Anarchy]

@Daw you're forgetting something, though. There are multiple ways Haruka can go about this, even if he is restrained. It sounds a bit messed up, but at the same time, I don't want to underestimate Haruka's intelligence.

[@Daw2050]

@@IzzyD.Anarchy are you saying that he can kill himself while restrained? Cuz I already agree with that it's not something i forgot or anything

[@kntczmz]

it’s hilarious how she immediately got so much guilty votes after the premiere

[@jspquoiprendrecommepseudo8544]

“I haven’t poured water over anyone’s head!” The girl from her MV completely drenched: ….

[@nalenks8083]

I think its only the ghost of her because of the flowers in her desk

[@mican7833]

@@nalenks8083 and why is her ghost drenched

[@GoyouKun]

@@mican7833 she probably dragged her body to the river to hide evidence?? Maybe??

[@JVBVieira]

It's actually her before turning the bullying to Muu, she's wet because she started to get targeted by Muu's friends. Usually in Japan they do a type of bullying that puts a flower in a vase on the person's desk to represent that the person is dead to the class, or that they should kill themselves, or that no one would care if they die, it can have several meanings, but it is the idea of ​​paying respect ironically as if the person had died while still alive.

[@monacatowa3824]

I think it was Mu's friends since Mu said she didn't harm (physically) and pour water on anyone

[@luijex18]

Drinking game prompt: Take a drink every time Muu says it’s not her fault. Take a drink every time Haruka is mentioned. Still alert? Then… Take a drink every time Muu or Es sigh. Pls don’t actually do this. I doubt going to the hospital would be fun.

[@Shire13]

It is highly recommended to not play this game if you're listening to "It's not my fault" song

[@graceitha]

tried it ! my surgery didn't go so well ! ❤️

[@luijex18]

Hopefully you didn’t have a Dr. Shidou treating you… I’ve heard some rumors about him.

[@WriteOverMe]

Tried it My liver hurts

[@RejectedVegetables]

My gall bladder got frabbolglin consumed! 10/10 would try!

[@twinkletraveler]

i think muu really needs to hear the phrase "2 wrongs don't make a right"

[@genericyoutubecommentchann7418]

I mean, technically in her case it would be 3 wrongs, since the first was her being a bully, then the second was her being bullied, and then the third was her committing murder in retaliation. And then Es/us are up here committing a fourth wrong by illegally holding a teen captive and then punishing her via restraint or whatever the penalty is this trial.

[@noxsings-rm2ii]

tbh in the case of bullying no one usually will help, not even the adults around (teachers and principals mainly) so the only way to stop it is fighting back sometimes. I'm NOT advocating for murder, however. Only give back what they gave to you. Sometimes it's the only way to stop the bullying

[@semideadnat]

@@noxsings-rm2ii 100% agree, a lot of students in japan have been bullied a lot and the main reason being that students feel like they can get away with it. It's sad knowing how many kids and teenagers suffered because most of the time teachers only care about the classroom being quiet, rather than student's well being.

[@bigchongus5140]

​@@genericyoutubecommentchann7418 wait how is her being bullied a wrongdoing?

[@genericyoutubecommentchann7418]

@@bigchongus5140 You don’t think they were wrong to have bullied Mu? If you don’t think that two wrongs make a right, then naturally they would be wrong to do so.

[@ScrewSaiki]

First trial: pls don't hurt me Second trial: of course you wouldn't~~

[@iivantill]

third trial: 💀

[@ac-gf4zt]

HER ONLY CRIME WAS BEING BORN FRENCH 🔥🔥🔥👆👆 So anyway, I highly recommend you watch the new MV and then go back and watch After Pain. That’s basically the chronological order and that way you'll see that all of the After Pain lyrics make complete sense (except for the "I love you"s...?). I think it’s pretty clear that Muu only considers bullying to be physical acts, like what she faced in After Pain. Mental destruction and targeting doesn’t count to her, and so she sees herself as someone who never bullied anyone, but was bullied herself. The girl she killed (I’ll just call her Victim) appears to have been the one person willing to call out Muu’s toxic social hierarchy and ended up changing the tides against her. Everyone went against Muu, including her gang of bullies/friends, which was confusing and hurtful for her. She wants to apologize and make it all stop, but no one is willing to accept that apology after what she’s done, and the harassment against her continues. Victim is the one classmate who isn’t bullying her. She doesn’t seem to be that kind of person- she would call out Muu for her actions, but isn’t going to join the crowd and harass her for it. But at the same time she’s not going to interfere. Muu feels like, as the person who started her downfall, Victim might be the one who understands her, and the one who can stop all this. She desperately cries and explains her horrible situation and asks for forgiveness but Victim knows what Muu has done to other people and is cold. Muu can’t handle it and stabs her, quite possibly thinking that was the only other way she could make the harassment stop. An interesting story. I still like Muu a lot. She’s rich, spoiled, and bored, it makes sense that she’d end up that way. As always, feel free to come to your own conclusions.

[@ilikelapislazuli]

First sentence is so real omg 🙏🙏🙏/j

[@ler2364]

Nooo leave us, french, alone xD

[@IzzyD.Anarchy]

So I was sort of on the mark when I mentioned that her victim and Fuuta share parallels. Start the situation, but don't get involved in it any further.

[@serokery8819]

I love you and we are the same. i think that is mu trying to say all of us are the same as muu in some way. And we will find she is right no matter what the outcome. She even think she is always a bad girl, all of the thing in the after pain is what she have to do to solve the situation. Now, she are free to get everything she wanted in Milgram after being innocent.

[@bingus702]

Based comment

[@genericyoutubecommentchann7418]

It’s disturbing how chill she is with Haruka’s threat. If he does go through with it, I can see her putting all the blame on Es and not acknowledging that she could have tried to talk him out of it. It’s hard for me to tell if A. She really does believe Es won’t risk Haruka’s life and doesn’t see him as in danger. B. She really does believe friends should allow each other to do what ever they want so she’s fine if Haruka goes through with it because it’s what he wants. Or C. She’s just an exploitative manipulator who is willing to take advantage of his loyalty. Edit: Also, does anybody else find it suspicious that Haruka told Es that Mu was scared of Milgram but Mu claims that she’s comfortable?

[@ac-gf4zt]

I honestly get the feeling she just doesn’t think about it much at all. I don’t think she’s a master manipulator, just a teen very used to getting her way, with a certain attitude that tends to make the people around her want to do what they think she would want. She probably knows that Haruka really might die, but doesn’t think she has any responsibility for that outcome. And while she likes Haruka and doesn’t necessarily wish for bad things to happen to him he’s like a dispensable pawn to her where she can move on and find the next fun thing. Muu really just seems like someone who’s never before had to take responsibility for anything. She doesn’t want to take responsibility for bullying other students, doesn’t want to take responsibility for why people would want to bully her, doesn’t want to take responsibility for Haruka’s life, and doesn’t want to take responsibility for a guilty verdict. So I guess we should be hoping to teach her that she can’t eternally dodge the blame and needs to accept some level of fault for her situation.

[@serokery8819]

She think she deserves all the good treatment from everyone. She didn’t bully anyone she just push them out off her social circle and let her friends do whatever they want. She didn’t do anything, she was only in the queen drama positions. Someone got bullied have nothing to do with her.

[@stars4809]

I don't think manipulative behavior and believing what she says are mutually exclusive. I think she puts herself on a pedestal and makes a lot of excuses largely to cover up her own guilt (hence the "If I really am a bad girl" part of her MV), I think she has no frame of reference for healthy two-way relationships, and I think she was genuinely as upset as she acted the first trial. That said, I do think she knows how to actively use those feelings to try and convince people she couldn't have done wrong. She also seems at least a little self-aware deep down of what she's doing (talking about controlling people in the MV, getting extremely unnerved when called out for bullying) but either offloads blame or minimizes her own actions not only for her own sake but also for the validation of others. Just because she's trying to convince herself of her innocence as much as she is others doesn't mean she isn't being manipulative about it. I wish someone would explain to her it's possible for both her and her bullies to be wrong lmao.

[@im.claire]

I don’t think she cares about haruka or if he would die, she’a just happy she has another reason Es should vote her innocent

[@ZhiningAnomalie]

I think she might have told Haruka that she is scared to try and get him to protect her from the guilty verdict. If she acts confident the way she does in front of es and says that she is comfortable in front of Haruka he probably wouldn’t feel the need to put his own life on the line (aka the suicide threat) for the sake of Mu like he has now. If she really is a manipulative person it makes sense that she would do this to make sure that Haruka is willing to protect her if anything goes wrong this trial (sorry if this is worded weirdly).

[@mellow-today]

Muu saying ' You're so mean!' Sure did give Es Vietnam war flashbacks

[@michiruakabane6707]

A lot of people believe that Mu is lying about her not bullying even though the victim in her video was drenched, so here's my take on it- I don't think Mu is lying, however, I think Mu believes that bullying is to only cause physical pain towards others. She could've been the one who talks to the other bullies to do it, as we can see in her video where the bullies basically make her a queen (and will listen to her orders)

[@tonyspider03]

every new voice drama Es seems more fed up, no wonder they nap for 2 years in between trials

[@toastedperhaps]

finally!! we’re getting the questioning of the whole ‘milgram project’ which, in real life, was about just following orders and seeing how far people would go following. perhaps the idea of es just listening jackolope’s orders will crumble as more trials are released? thank you so much for the translations!!

[@genericyoutubecommentchann7418]

I hope so. I noticed that this project not only evokes the Milgram experiment, but also the Prisoner’s Dilemma. If we are to compare this to the Milgram experiment, that would mean that we have to stop voting. But just like in the Prisoner’s Dilemma, not voting requires trust in all other participants, and all it takes is one person to break trust, vote, and ruin everything. I hope this aspect is addressed in some way too.

[@stereotypical_villain]

Every time the questioning of Es' job as the The Prison Guard comes up or who Es is they immediately start panicking and feel unwell I feel like this is a Milgram protocol similar to Es' barrier, very much obviously a organization along with jackalope are the masterminds of this as in the reports jackalope uses 'We' like 'WE Didn't Expect This' (when talking about mikoto) 'This has never happened to US before' (they've done this before too)

[@abbym11111]

@@genericyoutubecommentchann7418 True, we (the voters) act as Es's decision makers and ultimately effect which way the choice goes. I think that even though some people might vote regardless, if Es were to ACTUALLY break free from all of that, then they could ignore the voting..sort of like how Muu described it, just have a "don't think about it" attitude. If Es were to break free from the role of being warden and thinking about morals, then it wouldn't matter if they think someone is guilty or innocent through our votes, but they could just insert themselves out of the equation and leave it up to someone else. That just makes me wonder if Jackolope would find somebody else or if the whole project would crumble from that point...hm 🤷‍♀️

[@im.claire]

@@genericyoutubecommentchann7418 maybe if we vote the outcome will alwas just be worse and worse with each trial So even if we vote kotoko and amane guilty and shidou innocent, which seems like the best choice becuase kotoko wouldn’t be able to hurt anyone and shidou would be able to heal, something will still go very wrong and some prisoners will end up hurt or dead So the only option for a good outcome would be to not vote

[@candescence]

Mu knowing what to say to confuse (logic trap about revenge), tempt (you don't have to do the stressful thing of thinking and choosing and being responsible for the consequences), and drive Es to their mental limit (don't be a warden), but Es also looking closely enough to see through what she's doing

[@Minho_Eamonn]

Isn't it funny how the table turned? Fuuta, while being an online flamer, ended up getting flamed. Mu, who has been bullied, is revealed that she was indeed a bully beforehand. Only difference? One realised he made a mistake, but by calling out on someone else, somehow as a way to protect themself from their own bad actions, while the other thinks they did nothing wrong.

[@im.claire]

Maybe now that we voted mu guilty, she’ll realise she did something wrong? At least i hope she will and won’t just continue lying

[@HeeCawRoo]

i was in the middle of writing up a whole long thing about how shes not really that bad and then 13 minutes in she drops that she knows about harukas suicide promise. damn ok

[@elemei0472]

i love that in every Muu voice drama we get more interesting stuff about milgram; in the first one, Muu said that Es wasn’t talking like them, and asked who was tolking through them, and now she questions who put Es in charge of being the warden

[@JVBVieira]

Is it just me, or does Es seem increasingly more irritated? it seems that they are developing a more aggressive side in this second trial (ignoring the physical attacks they did in the first trial, more emotionally). Also with their new photo in this second trial.

[@hearts.22]

I feel like they're especially irritated in this one in particular tbh

[@flaflu180399]

If I saw everyone I voted "innocent" start acting arrogant, proud of their crimes, treating others like shit and even straight up beating up the others, I'd be pretty pissed off too lmao

[@JVBVieira]

@@hearts.22 They were also annoyed with Futa and Haruka, the only exception so far being Yuno, so I thought it was interesting to comment.

[@noahi.1381]

@@JVBVieira out of the others, Yuno _has_ been the most cooperative, logical, and no-nonsense one, after all.

[@bloodyvillain8613]

@@JVBVieiranot much with Fuuta he was actually a lot more passionate in Fuuta’s second drama

[@Affa1965]

Haruka, please don’t die. 💀

[@im.claire]

I HOPE THEY WON’T LET HIM OR THAT SHIDOU WILL SAVE HIM

[@ZhiningAnomalie]

@@im.claireCan Shidou really though? I don’t think he would be willing to or can even interfere directly if Haruka really decided to commit suicide. He can at most wrap up a wound or two, but if Haruka decides he wanted to jump up a building I don’t think Shidou would be running up to the rooftop to save him. We don’t know anything about his physical strength either and he wasn’t mentioned to know martial arts like Kotoko, so if Kotoko attacks someone somehow or if the guards give out physical punishments (Jackalope did say the punishments get harsher) or even if Haruka tries to stab himself I don’t Shidou can stop any of that. He can only save them after the ordeal if they are still alive (like Mahiru). The only person willing to and can stop any of these things from happening is Kazui…and he’s gonna be voted guilty-

[@genericyoutubecommentchann7418]

Mu really do be spitting facts at the end though. Even if it is slightly manipulative.

[@11th-lemon]

Yeah, she made a lot of good points.

[@ondiiina]

However, as she herself stated earlier on, forgiving everyone means that you accept ALL their motives and tell them that justifies murder. It'd be terrible for characters like Mikoto -whose two personalities have committed murder for no apparent reason (and only one is judged?). We'd also be telling Futa that cyberbullying is okay. Amane would have gotten no pushback for following her cult's teachings (after not doing so and doing the right thing instead). It would only lead to terrible consequences and Muu knows it. The better solution would have been to vote EVERYONE guilty because they all committed murder out of fairness and to make things easier and moral. They did all commit murder after all, so why should some be exempted? (not saying the following is my opinion but Yuno's case may be more than abortion, it may be infanticide which would warrant being voted guilty). Muu is offering a solution that benefits her even though it isn't the logical solution to the problems she raises. She's incredible at manipulating Es, pushing while he's in pain, telling him that if he just do what she suggests then he won't be suffering anymore. And it's tempting because he wouldn't have to feel bad if he's fair and frees everyone. She pushed the right buttons to trigger his physical pain, bring back the fact he knows nothing about himself, offering him a way to solve both problems. It's wrong but the way she phrased and timed everything makes it look like the best answer

[@genericyoutubecommentchann7418]

@@ondiiina I wasn’t really referring to that. I was more referring to what she said after that, about how Es is just blindly doing as they are told. This wasn’t a role Es worked to get, nor one that Es appears to enjoy, as in Futa’s voice drama, Es made it sound like they’d rather not be judging their companions like this. Es was put in the role and just accepted it without a care. Es could (and in my opinion should) stop at any time. All the votes are doing are damaging the prisoners in various degrees, so just like the real Milgram experiment Es should recognize that and stop.

[@maosGf]

@@ondiiina hello! i know you mean no harm and are probably uneducated on the topic, but “personalities” is a harmful term to use when describing mikotos system & his alter. i’m aware jackalope used that and the old term (either multiple personality or split personality disorder) but those are both two heavily outdated, incorrect and harmful terms to use towards systems, coming from a system ^__^ its better to use the term alters when talking about mikoto & his “personalities”

[@veronikatr3980]

Yeah. I would say she is spitting facts during entire VD. But facts that are beneficial to her tho

[@noahimuro]

Maybe she is telling the truth. She didn't do anything. Because she didn't need it. She probably would just say something and the other girls did it. She wouldn't get her hands dirty.

[@MarS-zh9ek]

That would make sense, she was just giving orders, like a king/queen itself does, it gives orders to others but doesn't do the action.

[@justsam7775]

Right??? That's what I've been thinking recently as well. Mu really sounded persistent when she said she didn't bully anyone while that might be a lie, I think it's definitely possible that she didn't intend for those other girls to do that in the first place. If those girls so easily turned on Mu why wouldn't they just bully plenty of other people for different reasons.

[@Bevvie3]

13:23 I think Muu’s situation is somewhat similar to Fuuta’s. She had a group of fake friends that were bullies so she thought that she won’t do anything about it since friends should let themselves do whatever they want. She wasn’t the one throwing water at victims or destroying their stuff but she didn’t do anything about it. I think of two options: 1) Rei targeted her because she was „the leader” of the group and somehow ruined her reputation so muu became the target of bullying instead 2) rei recorded the friend group while they were bullying someone, snitched on them and muu started crying and defending herself saying she hasn’t done anything wrong (I think so because of the writings her bullies made on the school board calling her a crybaby). Her “friends” turned on against her because of that. I don’t think she was intentionally lying when she said that she’ve never bullied anyone, she just doesn’t think that what she did is bullying. She doesn’t consider verbally attacking someone as bullying. She was watching her friends physically abusing someone and didn’t do anything about it bcs of her “friends should let themselves do whatever they want” mindset. I’m just speculating but i think she thinks that because she’ve never been in a healthy friendship. All her friends she has ever had were spending time with her because of money and perks as expensive gifts (we can see one of her friends thanking her for the expensive lipstick she gave her in after pain mv). Tbh idk what to think about her. I see her both as guilty and innocent. I think I’ll vote her innocent in t3 because she doesn’t deserves death penalty in my opinion. She’s also still a teenager (that doesn’t justify her but explains her twisted mindset)

[@serokery8819]

She thinks she got bullied because someone got jealous of her position in the after pain. In it’s not my fault, it is her life before getting bullied and she think nothing wrong with that. She deserves all of those attention and treatment, anyone didn’t agree is wrong and mean. She think bully is physical and all she did is gossip and she didn’t think it is wrong and can not be called bully.

[@nory_light3209]

Okay, I know what Haruka said in his second trial but I am so sorry *proceeds to vote Muu guilty*

[@spiritwarhol707]

So after checking to see what Es says in the original Japanese, they do say joou-bachi (queen bee) directly. Could Muu's MV be a direct result of hearing that comparison? It kind of opens up a can of worms on the power of suggestion in MILGRAM and also worries me going forward. Several of these prisoners are unsure about their own culpability in their crimes... if they become convinced of their own wrongdoing through Es' interrogation, their MV could possibly reflect that and lead to hasty guilty verdicts? Idk, just thoughts.

[@axolotlanarchy5958]

I don’t think it’s to the point where it could mislead an entire trial, but I definitely agree that the interrogations can influence the MVs by bringing up specific emotions or memories. Like how Es hitting Haruka in his second trial interrogation could’ve been what brought up his memory of his mom slapping him.

[@Kazon_0_0_]

I wonder if the MVs are about the mental picture of the prisoner at the time of the crime, or as they remember it right now. I dont thing i will explain it here, but its important for Mikotos MV. The things currently ony makes sense if its in the past.

[@hanniesung3595]

That is very interesting but Jackalope referred to Mu as a queen in the inbetween thing so she probably saw herself like that already

[@CloveViv-ld4nk]

it kinda was the same with meme wasnt it? Mikotos fear of being a murderer got him to paint himself in an extremely negative light, all bcs of Es telling him he was a murderer in his VD

[@blueegg4198]

Thank you for posting this! I was holding off on watching the new MV until this went up :) Muu is definitely a complex character... well, all of them are, it's really impressive writing. It looks like an overwhelming guilty verdict is coming her way, and yeah: I'm voting guilty too. I don't know how she will take it, but right now Muu fully believes she was justified in murdering that girl, and that idea needs to be rejected.

[@carissaap7003]

Yeah same i vote her guilty as well. i know she bullied and all that but she need to be taught a lesson that she should be rensponsible of her actions

[@nhudles]

muu's clearly not the evil manipulating mastermind people make her out to be and this really confirms it (considering they can't lie), like sure she might not be a good person, but seeing others often describe her like that gives me the ick. her definition of friendship just genuinely seems fucked up and it obviously played a part in her previous friend group/bullies too

[@marcyellelima]

Você nao viu a letra da música dela né

[@dARKaZURE]

Yeah, I don't think she's manipulative, she's just a silly girl who has wrong concepts of friendship. And maybe everything else too.

[@silentsonata7333]

Excuse me wtf? How is she not the evil manipulative type?

[@ivystia_9835]

MU THE GASLIGHTING QUEEN ✨💅

[@genericyoutubecommentchann7418]

Unrelated note, but I’m glad you used Mu’s regular second trial image instead of her album cover image. I don’t know if I could have taken anything she said seriously if I was looking at her devious-looking pose the whole time.

[@ultimate_clutz]

I've said this before, but I'll say it again. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THIS!!!! It means so much!!! The translations are very appreciated by everyone! Thank you so much!

[@variansloth]

where's the 'send them to therapy' option instead of just innocent or guilty tbh. tysm for uploading a translation too!

[@ScaraLoreRambler]

4:33 Ah yes, and you were also both voted GUILTY for the second trial.

[@jigo9380]

Haruka, I am so sorry.

[@Daw2050]

I haven't watched the Vpice Drama yet, but I just wanted to say that I agree with you that knowing the characters and their flaws better makes them more interesting and human. It makes me sad that just seem to remember the worst of them now or at least the most recent thing we learn about them, which will probably suck for characters who got an innocent verdict since we'll be learning more things that are bad about them and the fans seem to feel betrayed when this happens. I mean look at Mu, people thought she was a meek and nice doormat person and turns out she wasn't, now there's people calling her fake and all that. I think characters like Kazui will be affected the most by this, since we barely know anything about the guy, learning something bad about him will mess up people's perceptions- Oh and also if writing a description is hard after all the editing you could aimply write it beforehand! Anyways thanks a lot for putting this and all of the other Voice Drama's together, the fandom really appreciates it!!

[@ArgoPhilio]

nice basil pfp

[@emmacupcake9497]

Oh my gosh!! This was so fast! Thank you!!

[@greensplatter9965]

She's gonna be **SICK** when the guilty verdict gets read to her. It's a reflection/parallel(?) of her life as a bully. She was untouchable and thought everything was ok until she got bullied and realized it wasn't as fun anymore and she felt what she did to everyone else. In this case, the flip is that she says she doesn't have to worry or care about others because she's not related and now 'psyche' she is veryyy much related to the issues.

[@RetroRageasaurus]

Voting Guilty to teach any of this people "lessons" is like paving the road to hell... not that I'm happy about doing the opposite at all, nope, but the experiment IS fun!

[@Otori0]

I've been watching your translations since I got into Milgram! Thanks for referencing my INMF translation!!

[@ShioriMizuyamiKyu]

This is a dumb theory but hear me out: I’ve this strange that in both Muu’s MVs the victim doesn’t look like a faceless background character, which leads me to believe that the victim was someone important to Muu.(I’ll call her Vi) My theory is that Vi was the only true friend Muu had, as in actually treated her like an actual person and not judge her by her race. But when the clicks started befriending Muu(for her money) Muu started to act like said click and even went as far as to bully Vi. So after Muu got a taste of her own medicine in ‘After Pain’ Muu tried to beg Vi for forgiveness but Vi rejected it, which unfortunately lead to Muu snapping and killing Vi. Now I only voted Muu guilty because I felt like her reasons for murder weren’t justifiable at all, but I don’t think Muu was at fault for not knowing basic human relationships and friendship since she was raised spoiled by her parents.

[@09mikoto]

That kinda make sense

[@chaldeantimothy8827]

I think Muu doesn't know why she is being bullied in the first place because in the afterpain she is asking why she is being hurt or bullied and why her forgiveness is not working. In the first part of her lyrics being not needed implying her friends turn back on her without knowing why. While in the second trial drama at 9:15 it's because of jealousy in her perspective. I also think Rei and Muu had a good relationship (her face showing in afterpain) beforehand until she becomes the target of bullying by witnessing Muu and her friends bullying someone then she did a revenge thing that leads to afterpain. I also think her murder is not justifiable. but her actions in the afterpain really seem genuine I don't know why she had a cutter it makes me think doing it at 7:25 and with one shoe laying on the ground and hourglass in MV. but I think there's a lot of interactions between Muu and Rei leading to murder. Although the first trial innocent verdict seems to justify her murder since her lyrics in afterpain had a lot of If and Maybe since she is unsure if she deserves it or not. because of it she can finally breathe that her real personality comes out. In the end, I really like her story and the character in general because the psychological horror and Music video is really doped with the bullying and manipulation. Additionally, I think Muu's friends play a part in her real personality like her concept of beneficial makes me think that's how her friends take advantage of her wealth and socially manipulate her to become arrogant. I also think she is also self-aware by giving opinion with the verdicts leading ES to hypervalate really shows her being smart and sensitive.

[@Sorry_i_eated_it]

She is so slay queen

[@Daw2050]

It's interesting how Es's conclusion is that Mu doesn't even do anything herself, but people around her just end up doing what she wants anyway, comparing it to a queen bee's pheromones.

[@renulia]

thank you for the translation!!

[@11th-lemon]

Wow, this was a fast upload. Thanks for doing it! I wasn't expecting Es to have an existential crisis while talking to Mu again. I hope he gets character development at some point. Honestly it's hard to forgive Mu when she isn't even interested in reflecting. I don't really think killing was the only way out. Someone as rich as her could probably have transferred schools. And even then, she could have beaten up the bullies without murdering them. She also seems to have outright lied about spilling water on people. Even then, it surprises me that the votes turned against her so much. As Mu said, I don't think anything that has been revealed changes what was shown in after pain. If people were okay with it then, they shouldn't change their votes just because Mu doesn't look like a "poor, helpless girl" anymore.

[@panic_time]

Was so looking forward to this

[@stars4809]

Haha wait until Mu realizes it's actually possible for both sides in a dispute to be in the wrong. I'm sympathetic towards Mu and like her as a character but jeez she sucks.

[@Imamotherfreakingavocado]

Muu, if Haruka is your friend like you say he is, can you please teach him to tie his shoes 🙏

[@IzzyD.Anarchy]

Teach him to put on his chuck correctly first. Man's his half-wearing them 🤭

[@capuzdepenix210]

Maybe Mu and the victim were friends in the past, and Mu abandoned her to be the popular girl at her school. In the end, when all of Mu's new friends started bullying her (because the victim called Mu out), Mu realized how she missed the victim as her friend (and maybe Mu even has a crush on her, who knows). So when the victim rejected her, Mu straight up killed her. Like, "you can't come into my life, be a great friend (or make me feel special) and then just ruin absolutely everything". That would explain the "I love yous" in After Pain. Hell, maybe Mu even bullied the victim in order to become popular, look at the last frame of "It's not my fault", and look how Mu speaks so specifically when she claims she never dumped water onto anyone's head.

[@peach_.cat.6623]

bullying and killing are not the same thing Muu 😰

[@bobtherock653]

Welp rest in peace haruka

[@buginalabcoat]

LOL! 😂

[@mitchellalexander9162]

I'm still reeling over her symbolically becoming some kind of Bug-Thing in the 2nd MV.

[@Souper3707]

4:33 kinda plays into this but I was thinking: if next trial muu was voted innocent (even though she’s not) and haruka is voted guilty, muu would stop hanging around him. This might lead to haruka being able to break his dependency on her, wondering why he’s been suddenly ignored by her. And it would also mean that he can’t blame es too because they pretty much did what he wanted

[@kugiekizuchi.]

9:40 this is a pretty justified reaction though

[@Socvinc]

muu is a youtube

[@jigo9380]

True

[@cardiacarrester6090]

Mu she didn’t care about Haruka safety, even if she says to forgive her, Haruka safety seems secondary to her. Self Preservation of herself seems to be her main focus. Poor Haruka he gonna get toss away again.

[@T3RM1N4llyOffl1n3]

Can you blame her? Though yeah the Haruka thing is waaay too extreme

[@klbzplb]

All of these (except yuno) are just trolley problems... im with muu tho, im voting everyone inno. Half bc i forgive them, half to make this simpler and eliminate the most extreme negative consequences. Also, i love how es gets a panic attack every time their role as the guard is being questioned, theres def something behind that and i cant wait to find out what.

[@vantom253]

I'd only vote Guilty just to see if Haruka will die for real, but I really doubt he would. People threatening to end their life if they don't get their way don't mean it actually.

[@parasitophobia]

In my opinion , It doesn’t mean it wouldn’t happen in terms of “people threatening to end their life if they don’t get their way don’t actually act on it” , considering how unstable Haruka is , it is plausible that he could act on it (although it would be preferred if he wouldn’t do so)

[@ZhiningAnomalie]

Even if he wasn’t originally going to voting Muu guilty would likely cause her to be dissapointed in Haruka in the sense that he wasn’t able to stop her from being voted guilty even with his death threat. Furthermore, his trial 2 voice trailer has a voiceline that goes: ‘I’m sorry for making you waste your life on someone like me’ which I personally think is him talking to Muu who has ultimately decided that he was useless after all after the results of the 2nd trial. In the first voice trailer the glitchy voice lines we hear were present in their trial 2 voice dramas (At least in the case of Yuno, Fuuta, Haruka and Mu. I haven’t watched the other ones) so it is highly likely the glitchy voices this time are foreshadowing events in trial 3 that they have already planned out. Following this logic it isn’t impossible for Haruka to kill himself after being having been abandoned by Muu even if he originally didn’t intend to go through with the promise.

[@DominiqueIrisFlorence]

I hope her third trial gonna be full of crying and beg for forgiveness

[@ilikecows402]

She got to silly💔💔💔

[@kaidouhottopicgiftcard]

15:36 this exchange reminds me of the stanford prison experiment🧐 but maybe i'm looking too much into it. it's definitely more like the milgram experiments🤷

[@mononami]

3:11 Mu caught me off guard there, damn anyways is there anyone who would like to join me for a “let’s all vote Mu guilty” party?

[@ExceptionalOneStandAlone]

Muu's song made me too conflicted but I felt bad for her so voted her innocent anyways thumbs up

[@vioskrepiker621]

Well, count me in.

[@kentonishimura69]

I felt that through the screen

[@im.claire]

She’s so manipulative 😭

[@InternallyNull]

muu made es almost cry twice 😭

[@ryllenescent]

it feels like Es dialogue is actually directing us to clearly vote some guilty and some innocent at the 2nd trial. but it makes me wonder of the option where we entirely rebel from the normal way of judging & tilt the results to the unexpected way, to make the production team sweat.

[@shaf796]

When you noticed Muu doesn't really use I,rather uses her name more than calling herself by first person:

[@ac-gf4zt]

Yeah, Muu actually refers to herself as “Muu” as opposed to something like watashi. It’s pretty common in innocent young girl characters so it might just be part of her personality or an attempt to make herself look more cute and pitiable. But I honestly hate how it translates into English, it just doesn’t really work and sounds very awkward, so we’re just going with the normal first person stuff.

[@nattjibetta4697]

At this point I think we should just vote everyone else as guilty to see how they'll react and then make the final judgement

[@Cage-qk3ri]

ハルカがムウに襲われた時カズイさんが守ってくれるといいな…

[@MarS-zh9ek]

Ty! Love your work!

[@Satsuki-sv4xf]

Idk why but, listening to her going on and on just makes my blood boil 💀

[@Kiyokori]

I feel this sm she's so annoying Gosh

[@isthecamreaacouplemilesint3832]

ur so real for this

[@IzzyD.Anarchy]

Darn, you work fast...

[@charliebruford3277]

I think Haruka and muu would definitely kill again.I can understand the pain of there backstory’s as I have gone through similar things but in the mindset they have they see it as justified and would do it again due to the fact they believe they were like finding a way out and there for I think they are guilty and need very much mental help

[@shizutamv]

Yeah I agree, especially for Haruka. Whereas Fuuta would understand his wrongdoings and won't do it again, I think.

[@ScrewSaiki]

Well it's not your fault muu, it's your songs fault that makes you very guilty~~

[@hoshidori5869]

honestly i think the guilty verdicts on mu wont matter since haruka was voted guiilty as well, she said "we were both voted innocent so we have that in common" since their both guilty rn she'll probably use that towards haruka to manipulate him even more, if he doesnt go through with the.. ykw.

[@yuelily]

this is exactly what i'm worried about. they're still in the same boat, only with different verdicts-her leash on him now is going to be tighter than ever. as someone who supports and genuinely wants the best for haruka, this makes me so upset. he has zero chance of a future outside milgram under her manipulation. their verdicts in the last trial NEED to be different

[@BlueHimitsu]

THANKS FOR YOUR HARDWORK

[@mysticxjuice]

02:47 she did not just say that when all her friends were just followers cus she was bully ☠️☠️

[@SuperGreenSmartie]

The part where she just blatantly uses Haruka's life as a bargaining chip/emotional blackmail to try and protect herself is absolutely infuriating. She has no concept of genuine human connection and no self awareness beyond potentially being aware that she's being manipulative in her actions b/c she's trying to look out for herself with no regard for anyone else. Genuinely an awful person, although I can respect that her character is clearly meant to make us think about if treating bullies/bad people the way they treat others is truly justified or not. That being said I wish the Guilty sentence she's about to get slapped with served as a wakeup call, but I can already tell it won't make a difference. She'll never see anything she's done or currently doing as wrong b/c she just does not have the self awareness or understanding required to do so.

[@T3RM1N4llyOffl1n3]

She's a kid who's in jail. She has no marketable skills like Shidou. She is mean spirited yes but with that logic every sephora 10 year old should have gone to prison.

[@haruka.rabuii]

Hey a c, there’s a mistake in the description… It says Futa instead of muu sooo Just wanted to let you know :D

[@peaches6405]

Oof honey you got a big storm coming 😂😅

[@ScrewSaiki]

bro has been spoiled In school and prison, but now i think she wouldn't lmao, i love her tho! ❤

[@akkoiaane]

What is it with Mu and giving Es panic attacks

[@madcatanime]

Ah shit, so Haruka is gonna die if she's voted guilty? I don't think we can save him... Like, I don't think there's a way to turn the tide of the votes. I hope someone stops him from killing himself, but I feel after we learned how high the stakes really are, that's wishful thinking, even if Shidou and Kazui have saved a few so far. This is the result of a new determining factor being brought to light. A genuine risk of the prisoners relationships with each other cause some of them to be at risk of death immediately after sentencing. What used to be a simple opinion based decision of whether or not we felt they were forgivable or not has really become a game to maybe try saving who we can. Because... I definitely don't think we can save them all. And to think, voting them overall guilty would kill them, but at the threat of someone killing a guilty party, or someone guilty committing suicide, we don't want them to take that early action since we're still trying to figure out the extent of their crime. I do wish the punishments and effects of the votes weren't so harsh, but I guess this is the point. Having to be more careful in our understanding that as humans, they will react to our thoughts and accusations.

[@ilikelapislazuli]

TYY

[@HolicChan]

Crybully extraordinaire

[@ConfettiiCereal]

I will always defend Muu because honestly people love to mischaracterize and demonie her to make her worse than she actually is. First off she's not some manipulative exploiter of haruka. The both of them benefit from their relationship not just Muu. ALSO this is litterally all our fault for voting her innocent in the first place. The one thing she wanted in the first trial is to be validated and to be told that it isn't her fault. And we gave that to her so of course she's all happy now. Also it's pretty easy to tell that she never bullied anyone, the most she would do is push people out of her social circle. Clearly by the lyrics, "if you're gonna betray me out of jealousy, you know what's gonna happen to you" I think the whole idea is that her friends were bullies and she didn't bother with any of it because "they're my friends and they can do what they want."

[@HiMERUDMTOCHILL]

this bro,, i feel like the fandom is trying so hard to get dirt on Muu to jump on her and it’s so crazy to me

[@parasitophobia]

In my personal opinion I feel as if while she totally isn’t a completely manipulative person , she isn’t completely innocent or exactly misunderstood in the sense that you describe here ? I feel like there’s some weird situation with both arguments regarding her in which it’s just both sides ? (you included to an extent) mischaracterizing her either through glossing over information that outright indicates that she did cause enough damage to someone that the victim was able to flip it onto her to which she was physically bullied in response . I believe that it’s a situation where she didn’t actually physically bully people , rather it was more likely verbal or and she doesn’t consider it to be bullying . the ‘hierarchy’ with her friend group is certainly not a balanced one , with it implied that the other friends spent a lot of time actively trying to please her due to her being some sort of figure in the friend group that sort of needed to be ‘pleased’ or she’d drop them (which I believe you’re right to a degree in this regard) though by these standards this qualifies her as a bully , even if she doesn’t consider it to be bullying . This sort of bullying lead to a scenario in which she was being bullied instead due to the main victim managing to flip the script , her ‘friends’ very clearly betraying her (though I’m not exactly sure on the reasoning why , I’ll probably have to refresh myself on it) While I certainly believe she absolutely bullied someone (most likely with her friend group) and the way her friend group was set up incredibly unhealthy (and imo was doomed to come crashing down at some point due to the fact the friends were willing to betray her so easily and that most of the friend group was clearly jealous of the sort of ‘power’ she held within the friend group , some of the most interesting aspects with it to me is that she was completely unaware at the time that this was something that was wrong of her to Do , and that the general mentality she held in this school dynamic was doomed from the start as very clearly there is some weird situation with wanting power and keeping it in the friend group that even shows with her dynamic with Haruka (though I do not think she’s as bad as some consider it to be). The two are not in a healthy dynamic together and while it seems beneficial to the both of them , they have a dynamic in which Muu holds power over Haruka in some way and while Haruka most likely wouldn’t betray Muu , he can and will be a danger to himself and others for Muu’s sake , which is huge issue , as it does imply that Muu is benefiting more from the dynamic if haruka’s willing to do so much for her . Tldr (though it’s still kinda long): imo both sides of the debate look for things where there aren’t any , Muu’s friendship dynamic was unhealthy and she absolutely was a bully , but probably didn’t consider it as such . As for the ‘benefit from the relation part’ while they both thing they’re benefiting , Muu holds more power over Haruka and it’s likely that Muu is benefiting more than Haruka may be . While Muu isn’t an evil manipulator most likely , she isn’t a perfect saint or completely good person like the og comment suggests

[@mstvnb4045]

She literally bullies es in both interrogations. She is not innocent of bullying

[@T3RM1N4llyOffl1n3]

​@@parasitophobiaHaruka thinks Muu is her mom, I'm sorry but yeah she's essentially grooming someone to get out of jail. %100 forgive her though

[@aitaialiens]

THEY COULD NEVER MAKE ME HATE YOU MUU

[@Moth_vom]

the urge to vote her guilty even tho i missed the time alr but then will haruka actually pull through with his threat or is he even able to? like ah

[@Moth_vom]

jk im slow i didnt miss the time teehee

[@NonoteWinter789]

Here’s my theory: A. Muu is a manipulator I dont think I have to explain this since everyone is seing on this perspective XD but it really seemed like she was trying to manipulate es B. Muu is manipulated (If she is true then bullies are the one doing it far on Rie (I think victims name saw Rie?) muu just talked bad? And her perspective could be * physically hurting is bully and ordering to do something is not that’s what the bullies teach her ? When muu start to got bullied she was not fighting back? So- that makes sense she dont know what to do (bcs if she was manipulator she can get away with it at least change the school and her family is rich tight?) and she was manipulated why I think of that way is when person is manipulated they often dont know what’s wrong or good and cant do act. In muu’s case she’s a student could be she is uhm- not matured so she dont know what’s good or bad but knows she has some rights as a human I think

[@moonlitcameraa]

15:50 good god

[@CountryMuu]

4:54 TOO CRUEL ETHNUJDFJ SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN VOTED INNOCENT SOBS

[@Madtackron]

haruka and muu are so alike after all

[@acluelessstar]

could anyone copy the better translation of the lyrics? i don't have twitter but i'd like to better understand the song :"D thanks!!

[@istardrop7730]

1:42 I mean she isn't wrong deadass happened to her so💀💀💀💀

[@Qilinkasa]

I feel like... the kill is an accident... muu shoe fell... maybe she tripped, the shoe fell off and accidentally stab her... But more question for my own theory... why she grabbing cutter to begin with... Lmao sorry my english is so bad... But whatever reason... the thing she said like she don't even care if haruka's dead is enough for me to vote her guilty...

[@IzzyD.Anarchy]

More than likely, she might have intended on committing suicide (?)

[@Qilinkasa]

@@IzzyD.Anarchy daym... that could be....

[@kawa8149]

rip Haruka

[@buggy4842]

Honestly I can’t see how people defend/like her. She’d prolly make a coleen apology video

[@obbligatopermanentdamage]

uhh could you not compare her to a literal groomer 😭

[@T3RM1N4llyOffl1n3]

​@@obbligatopermanentdamageShe's literally seducing a mentally disabled guy to get out of jail lol.

[@farewellmymask]

ITS ES MILGRAM

[@wanderingghost9098]

14:28 wut

[@HarukaSakuraiLover]

MUU STOP GIVING ES MENTLA BREAKDOWNS

[@NoLongerNull]

She’s basically taking Haruka hostage

[@yourhighnessshanzay]

imagine how muu was as a little kid, if shes.so insufferable now...

[@hermitena]

is she gonna tell es that she hates them in the 3rd trial too

[@_..MapleAcorn.._]

In my opinion Muu's probably gonna either turn back to her "pitiful crybaby" self and try to beg for forgiveness again, or get more annoyed with a mix of her "pitiful" self and her "queen" self and would possibly belittle or attack Es Oh well it'll probably be entertaining either way I went on a ramble uh whoops

[@hermitena]

@@_..MapleAcorn.._ reasonable

[@star_fait]

Muu doesn’t think Haruka will kill himself because she genuinely thinks she’ll be innocent, she’s not some evil mastermind. She’s been bringing him food when he was locked up in his room, she definitely cares about him. (Partly unrelated but she’s stopped begging people to celebrate her birthday, she just mentioned it offhandedly in her bday tl :()

[@shizutamv]

Not so sure about that... I mean she's okay with him k*lling himself if that's what he wants...

[@X0.xoox.0X]

idk man 😭 She seems pretty indifferent at the thought of Haruka harming himself for her sake. In her eyes she probably thinks giving him permission to do that is like doing him a favour because she knows its important to him to feel useful to her…