IMPORTANT CORRECTION(?) The total number of Marder III Ausf. M is likely "only" about 1009+ both newly produced and converted, NOT 941 + 1009 = 1950+ as noted in the video. It seems I misinterpreted the table, since in some cases the "new+converted" was lower than the "new" per month, but the "new+converted" was those number reported as received. It is a bit confusing, so I am not entirely sure yet. If you like what we do, you can support us on » patreon - www.patreon.com/join/mhv or » subscribe star - www.subscribestar.com/mhv Or check out our books: » The Assault Platoon of the Grenadier-Company November 1944 (StG 44) - sturmzug.com » Army Regulation Medium Panzer Company 1941 - www.hdv470-7.com
@thebigone69693 жыл бұрын
You’re the best genius in the world Bernhard!!!
@Angrymuscles3 жыл бұрын
I've always had a soft spot for these impromptu or make-do conversions of captured or annexed equipment the Germans had. We have these obsolete tanks laying around that aren't good anymore, but a need for tank killing, so we'll replace the turret with a much larger fixed gun and call it a day. They aren't perfect, but they're an excellent example of pragmatic and improvised usage of available equipment.
@rolandhunter3 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me which book talking about the Marder III M 1009 conversion? Because some wikipedia moderator said: "This is nonsense, because the H and M chassis are DIFFERENT, you cant convert it..."
@nate32703 жыл бұрын
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized I do appreciate when you do not wear a mask so I can see you facial expressions. It provides a more personal viewer experience. That being said we are all bound by our countries laws, the preferences of our hosts and the wants/needs of those around us. taking a non-political stance to masks is respectable. I appreciate your content and however you choose to dress yourself is your own personal choice. any attempt to cast you in a certain political light in relation to your nationality and mask wearing is a touch out of line. TLDR: you do you, I come here for the honest and impartial information you provide about military history and anything else doesn’t really matter.
@mare29713 жыл бұрын
@@TheBelrick "The face covering has nothing to do with health"? I'm sorry to say but you are what you were called. Enjoy the video and shut up. PS: The comment has been deleted.
@TheChieftainsHatch3 жыл бұрын
I think we can have a very long discussion on this next time we link up. I would observe that Marder does seem to meet the requirements set out by the Germans for a Panzerjager (See Panzer Tracts 7-1), suffers many of the same 'limitations' of the Panzerjager 1, which was very popular with the troops, and if used as a self-propelled anti-tank gun (which it was) and not as an assault gun (which the StuG was), I see no evidence it was not as effective as any other such vehicle such as US TDs.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
From my understanding these are early reports, the interesting aspect is that I haven't seen any reference to the Panzerjäger I experience. Those were mainly used in non-divisional AT units if I am not mistaken, whereas the reports about the Marder were from divisional units if I remember correctly. After the video I found instructions on how to use Panzerjäger in contrast to StuGs. So my guess is that these early reports were in many ways due to using these vehicles the wrong way. The popularity of the Panzerjäger I might have several reasons as well: it was basically under the authority of the Corps/Army if I am not mistaken. Additionally it was available already in 1939, so there was time to adapt as well. Also in 1939/1940 it was quite a different campaign than 1941 onward as well.
@hans65003 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to know by what kind of weapons Marders got knocked out most frequently. I can imagine that during the timeframe Marders where in use they would be more frequently target of liberal artillery fire than the average US TD. And a turreted US TD probably has more usefull all-round armor protecting the gun crew from that than the Marder has, with it’s open rear crew compartment.
@watcherzero52563 жыл бұрын
@@hans6500 I wouldnt be surprised if it was a combination of light artillery and their positions being overrun by infantry rather than enemy armour.
@TheChieftainsHatch3 жыл бұрын
@darkplace28 Real life keeps getting in the way, I fear...
@Anty-ux8rx3 жыл бұрын
@hognoxious german archer time
@kushanblackrazor66143 жыл бұрын
I have a soft spot for the Marder III H since it was the most common armored vehicle you usually had access to in Close Combat 1.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
I think I rarely played Close Combat 1, I know I played a lot of 2 and a lot more 3.
@kushanblackrazor66143 жыл бұрын
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized In 1 you had limited resources, so having a single StuG or Marder was huge. In 3 you were usually swimming in Panzers by the middle campaign :D
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
yeah, in 3 I remember when I had a few heavy tanks lined up and boom boom, the enemy lost half its forces in the first few seconds.
@SmokinLoon51503 жыл бұрын
I remember those days. Now Steel Division II eats up my time. That game does have some accuracy in how the Marder series was used, and how best to use it. If you roll it forward to engage enemy armor it won't do well. If you set it up in cover and within a legit range it can defeat T34's in one shot.
@Davitofrito3 жыл бұрын
@@SmokinLoon5150 Yeah I was guilty of doing that with the Marders :( . It gets even worse when in my early games I would send them rolling into towns....on their own....without infantry support. Thats what I get for playing too much Hoi4.
@mattharrell68803 жыл бұрын
I cannot stress how thankful I am for this channel. As a teacher I use it often to teach statistic and (although research and documentation are EXCELLENT), you are the ONLY researcher I "use" that freely admits what is FACT, VS the "educated assumption" of subject experts with documentation, and what is only assumption (although you usually explain that too) Keep it up please
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Glad you like it!
@Lewd-Tenant_Isan3 жыл бұрын
For those who may be wondering, a Marten is a species of carnivorous weasel-like mammal. I don't know about you, but I think it's quite a fitting name for this tank.
@micfail23 жыл бұрын
This is true, and they are adorable. On a hiking trip one time I made camp a few miles from the peak of a mountain for a rest day and a Pine Marten hung out on the edges of my campsite all day hoping I would give him food. He basically looked like a ferret with long claws
@TehKarmalizer5 ай бұрын
Not a tank, but sure. The name fits.
@davidgrider43023 жыл бұрын
I had a Marder III Ausf H model as a kid. I thought it was awesome. As an adult I understand it's limitations. Man it was so cool looking as a kid. Love the Marder. Thanks for the video.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! If used properly it was quite deadly.
@stormthrush373 жыл бұрын
Interesting. So the Marder III is more accurately compared to the towed Pak 40 rather than other anti-tank guns. Makes sense.
@krismakardikan98233 жыл бұрын
The Marder has important advantages over any towed piece: it moves under it's own steam, carries it's own ammunition, and even moves it's own crew and all their stuff around. Even with a fighting compartment open to the elements, higher profile, less concealability, and more-or-less only token armour protection, who wouldn't prefer this to a paralyzed, overweight and uncooperative "drunk chick"?
@daszieher2 жыл бұрын
And in comparing it to that lies the secret of calling the Marder successful. However, the whole concept of parking expensive equipment, it's expert crew and an engine with as little protection as the Marder gave, pales, when compared to a "proper" TD. In the end, the "cheaper" solution might run higher total costs on the battlefield...
@paullakowski25092 жыл бұрын
@@daszieher so how any tanks did these SPAT KILL?
@daszieher2 жыл бұрын
@@paullakowski2509 "real" tanks were not killed by PaK40 ^^ So there's that.
@paullakowski25092 жыл бұрын
@@daszieher not sure what you mean?
@MetalX343 жыл бұрын
the jagdpanzer 38t should have been dubbed the “angry butterfly”. behold the deafening silence of its flapping before it strikes.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
:)
@legoeasycompany3 жыл бұрын
Always liked the ingenuity of German conversions of foreign vehicles into their own SPGs, the later Marder series looks so much better than the earlier ones (Looking at you early marder II specifically). Really like how far they came from things like the SPA 10.5 LefH on the Light tank Mk IV towards all the Hotchkiss conversions. Pretty neat and somewhat under appericated probably for the lack of cool factor/looking ugly compared to the normal German vehicles
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the go from really ugly to well that is quite a neat vehicle.
@schullerandreas5563 жыл бұрын
I like the look of the Marder II more than the Marder III. But the early Marders were ugly as all hell.
@bezahltersystemtroll50553 жыл бұрын
FCM 36 Marder I is the best looking though, so cute >__
@pecazidle3 жыл бұрын
@@bezahltersystemtroll5055 I love that cutiepie too.
@SD783 жыл бұрын
The early Marders were hilarious. They basically duct taped a 7.5cm gun and gunshield superstructure on top of whatever obsolescent chassis they had enough units of.
@88porpoise3 жыл бұрын
So it sounds like it was a terrible Assault Gun, but a great Self-Propelled AT Gun. The latter being what it was designed for while the former is what the troops were looking for.
@Warmaker013 жыл бұрын
As the war worsened German armor was being tasked to do more odd jobs, misused. I still recall reading of Panzer Divisions put on the frontline in the defense and not in the reserve for a counterattack. IIRC some Pz Divisions got annihilated because of that late in the war, I think at the onset of Operation Bagration, possibly later. The Soviets wound up for a big offensive and it just so happened some Panzer formations were in the front. The Soviets start their offensive with a heavy artillery attack and armor assault, pretty much destroying that Panzer formation right off the bat.
@jeremy281352 жыл бұрын
Bingo
@elee10863 жыл бұрын
Hervorragende Arbeit wie immer! Ich lerne in 10-15 Minuten Ihres Videos mehr als in den Wochen an der Universität. Outstanding work as always! I learn more in 10-15 minutes of your video than I did froms weeks in in University.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
Danke, ich versuche eine hohe Informationsdichte zu erreichen :)
@Buledde3 жыл бұрын
An welcher Uni wird denn bitte etwas über Panzer gelehrt? Ich hab einen Master in Maschinenbau und keinen Panzer in irgendeiner Vorlesung gesehen.
@MrSteve2802 ай бұрын
An hervorragend video; excellent format, excellent narrative, useful and interesting graphics, new information - all prime beef and no filler. I've been reading books and watching documentaries on such things for 50+ years and this is an exceptional is every regard. I look forward to watching all of your other videos.
@admiraltiberius19893 жыл бұрын
Marder III-- Why must you hurt me this way ?? I never wanted to exist but here I am ... :( Fantastic video nonetheless as always.
@jamesnigelkunjuro123 жыл бұрын
I'd just like to say that I love this video format - as a scale model builder, I really appreciate the walkaround for the vehicle as well as pointing out what the individual parts are for. For the Marder - I only wish that we were able to get more sources on what the view was on its performance after the users (Germans) finally developed the doctrine on it - and what other nations it fought against thought of it (any US/UK/USSR evaluations out there?)
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
thank you! Might come, I actually stumbled across something a few days ago.
@kimchipig3 жыл бұрын
A very concise video. The Marder series was typical of the Germans during the war: stopgap after stopgap. It took the best of a year to get any of them to the battlefields.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
thank you!
@mattmopar4403 жыл бұрын
Salt from the Jingles Salt Mine :) NICE
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
;)
@le_floofy_sniper_ducko3 жыл бұрын
Only the best Koala-tea grains of salt* is allowed here * Disclaimer No guarantee can be given of the Koala-tea of this salt and a possible side effect of misidentification
@Redlin53 жыл бұрын
I humbly contribute my share
@psikogeek3 жыл бұрын
Lower-right corner at 6:09 if anyone wants to see it.
@MegaRazorback3 жыл бұрын
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized I hope my triple shift in the mines supplied enough salt for this!
@baryonyxwalkeri39573 жыл бұрын
I didn't know that the Marder III was regarded to be useless. I thought that it was quite useful, and considering that the German Army did not much more than defend from 1943 onwards anyways, I guess it was a good vehicle. Doesn't take that much steel to make and fires potent rounds. Also, I read somewhere that the western allies nicknamed the vehicle "Murder III", on account of it being quite deadly. Do you know if this is true or a myth? Thanks again for your hard work with these videos, very informative, but not at all boring.
@chrishill35363 жыл бұрын
Yes and no though the idea of the marker was a good idea that put less stress on the army.
@teutonic_crusader11752 жыл бұрын
In a broad strategical sense, the german army was on the defense from 1943 onwards, but on a local, tactical level there were hundreds of german offensives, tacctical counter-attacks etc each day, to recapture strategic position, drive the enemy away from your own lines, capture important towns/railway stations etc. So offensive warfare was still conducted by the german army on a daily basis, in which the Marder was obviously quite useless. Fun fact: the usage of the Jagdpanther for defensive purposes was actually forbidden and only allowed in emergency situations, so much for defensive warfare haha
@mineamagnusson54062 жыл бұрын
its not a hetzter or pnzjgr 4 hornisse but wasnt it somethink about knowledge or fuel?🙋
@bwilliams4633 ай бұрын
Your clever little icons are fun. I actually smiled when I figured out what the Ambush Vehicle icon was a picture of.
@Alexein4553 жыл бұрын
The czech company BMM (ČKD) from Prague still produce vehicles for germany under name Škoda🤗 the best construction was 1945 Panther prototipe with autoloading cannon, teoreticaly 45 round per minute.
@geniemiki3 жыл бұрын
Bruh this thing was AMAZING in Company of Heroes 1. Build a pair of those, some of those elite panzergrenadiers to slow down the enemy armour and let those Marders reap their toll.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
wait, it was in COH 1?
@najaklar67373 жыл бұрын
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized yes the panzerelite faction in the addon
@geniemiki3 жыл бұрын
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized yeah in the first DLC
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
ahh yeah, I rarely played that one, it used those armored cars for point control or something.
@yosefvonhansom29213 жыл бұрын
The Marder is one of the only "tanks" on the Panzer Elite faction Also that thing was at its peak on Highway 69 level
@americanmade69963 жыл бұрын
I always enjoy these analytical videos. Your graphic representations of statistics are excellent.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@mchrome33663 жыл бұрын
I always look forward to your videos and the thorough research you do. Thank you once again for another great effort. .
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@stefanschleps87583 жыл бұрын
Thank you, for again taking a deep dive into the subject. Your analysis, and understanding, of both German engineering, and the German politics of the day, is a refreshing change from other channels. Most every military channel on KZbin has something to offer the serious student. Perhaps you can also take a deep dive the last German Uboat series, the Type XXIII. (No pun intended.) Or, if you have already done so, create another video on the subject. Describing what, if any, developments were adopted after the war by the allies. Greetings from Wien.
@McRocket3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. Very informative. Especially? 1) I had NO IDEA that the 38t made up such a HUGE part of the total Panzers for Barbarossa. 2) The Marder III H - to me - was easily the best looking Marder. ☮
@steffenb.jrgensen20143 жыл бұрын
IMHO the Marder and Hetzer are simply ingenious. While a Panther or even a StuG might have been more versatile the production lines of the Pz 38/Marder/Hetzer could not produce StuGs or Panthers - but did provide some very useful tank destoyers. The problems arose when you tried to use tank destoyers as assaultguns or tanks.
@nattygsbord3 жыл бұрын
Diversity is a strength
@bruceismay54403 жыл бұрын
You know you have a lot of tanks when the guy that visits doesn’t even talk about the tiger in the corner
@nunyabidness30753 жыл бұрын
If more scholars would be as honest and transparent as this fellow, we’d have a much better look into the past. It seems easy enough for him to assume there was a change in crew assignments and to admit it was speculation since he could not find a source, but too few of our “finest” historians seem to be able to to this. My compliments.
@1stMemberEver3 жыл бұрын
Always appreciating specific historic details and informed opinions!
@2001lextalionis3 жыл бұрын
Very nice presentation, thank you so much for the production numbers Clearly the Marder was the "best" tool for the job considering the chassis production challenge for the German army during the war. Were their superior weapons available ? as aptly pointed out that answer is YES. However when considering the vast areas in conflict and a need for AP force projection the Marder did a more than adequate job of "plugging the gap".
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
thank you!
@bryantkaus64173 жыл бұрын
The stugs and the marders are my favorite tanks to use in warthunder, seeing a m48 light up is great!
@lmyrski83853 жыл бұрын
Sounds like they were initially issued to units that were not familiar with how to use them. Common sense would dictate that they are ambush vehicles only yet those complaining about them obviously wanted tanks as they were from tank units. The same holds true with American tank destroyers where there was a constant battle to prevent them from being employed as tanks. This was part of the reason why hull mounted MGs were omitted. Otherwise, the temptation would be to employ them against infantry. And, naturally, when your vehicle is only protected from rifle and MG fire, and you're using it as a tank, you will take losses that Stugs could avoid or survive. Clearly the fault lies with whoever decided to send the vehicles to the units they did without proper training. I found reference to Marder II's being sent to a unit that later received Ferdinands. Previously they only had towed weapons. They received the Marders while the Italians were retreating in panic all around them. Without any training and no gun sights they figured out how to use them and soon started killing t34s. In some cases they attacked T34s after getting information about how they were situated and how to best approach them. A short time later, they were ordered to use the vehicles as tanks and took severe losses until the guys at the top clued in. They are not tanks. Don't use them as such or compare them to tanks. What was left of the unit was then sent home to train on Ferdinands.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
> Sounds like they were initially issued to units that were not familiar with how to use them. well, it was kinda a new vehicle, yes, there was the Panzerjäger I but they only made about 200 of them.
@edi98923 жыл бұрын
The same applies to light tanks too. It's like using a knife as a prybar, or a magazine as a bottleopener (both not uncommon, but far from ideal)
@lmyrski83853 жыл бұрын
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Pretty sure if they had been issued to regular AT gun batteries instead of tank units as in the far from perfect deployment I mentioned, they would have fared better. That's my point, they chose the wrong units to give them to, or perhaps they had no choice at the time. Just because they are new vehicles, that does not mean nobody had any indication of their strengths and weaknesses and how best to employ them, which should have dictated that they not go to tankers unless they are retrained to function like PAK units. If they were "useless" they would have stopped producing them long before they did rather than continuously building new variants on multiple hull types and refining them.
@billwilson36093 жыл бұрын
Their gun crews knew how to use those since they were accustomed to finding ways to conceal their AT gun positions on the ground. The Marders came with a trained driver and bow gunner/radio operator that also were the mechanics that kept the vehicle operational.
@lmyrski83853 жыл бұрын
@@billwilson3609 One might hope they would get trained drivers, but that apparently did not happen in December 1942. From 2/panzerjäger abteilung 654, Gefreiter Herbert Hartig, his impression of the Marder II: "Lovely vehicle, fast, maneuverable, and with a good gun. Their only drawback was their relatively thin armor. In spite of this we were as proud as could be. Heretofore we had been a wheeled anti-tank unit - now we had tanks, or at least something like it." His unit received a shipment of Marder II's in December 1942 while supporting Italian troops panicking during a Russian attack by T34s. He had just returned from the hospital and when he arrived at the train station he, with whoever else they could scrape together, took the first 3 operational Marder IIs the unit received into battle directly from the train (the crews were apparently not trained on the vehicles, just halftracks and PAK guns). They immediately destroyed T34's and used the Marders to recover PAK guns that were in danger of being overrun. See pages 18-20 of 'The Combat History of Schwere panzerjäger abteilung 654" by Karlheinze Münch, J. J. Fedorowicz Publishing.
@Wolfgang-the-Gray2 жыл бұрын
I used this vehicle often in World of Tanks & had quite good luck with it when firing from heavy forest cover.
@eshelly42053 жыл бұрын
My Opa was a Panzerjager in the 8th Panzer Division. It was the 43rd Abt. They had the Marder and didn’t like it do to the thin armor and open top. He got the Panzerjager 4 L/70 and really liked it
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
well, that is quite an upgrade :)
@eshelly42053 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure what version of the Panzerjager 4 the received first. But I believed it was the L48. I do know they finally got the L/70. He was with them from 1940 to 1945. In the book about the 8th PD by Richard Kindel he shows photos of both.
@Jonty_Burrow3 жыл бұрын
A simple solution for a certain problem Simple yet effective and kept being improved
@grantreichel68703 жыл бұрын
I still love the things, they have such a unique profile and origin. Great video.
@HandGrenadeDivision3 жыл бұрын
As the Chieftain alludes to, these vehicles were also employed in the divisional anti-tank battalions of the infantry divisions. Great for shooting from ambush in defensive positions and then getting out quickly without needing to limber and attach to a 2WD truck, or even horses. Comparing their capabilities to tanks is a fool's errand. Don't be fooled by the name Panzerjaeger - the Germans changed this deliberately to appear aggressive, but the original title better describes what they were for. Panzerabwehr - "armour defence."
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
You might want to listen and read more carefully. > As the Chieftain alludes to, these vehicles were also employed in the divisional anti-tank > battalions of the infantry divisions. Chieftain mentions the Panzerjäger I, which was mostly or only employed in independent anti-tank units likely Heerestruppen those are quite "a bit" away from "the the divisional anti-tank battalions of the infantry divisions" that you mention. From my script: "The first formations to receive them were mostly Panzer-Divisions, a few regular infantry divisions would receive them later as well, especially once other vehicles became available for the Panzer-Divisions and the Marders were replaced." > Comparing their capabilities to tanks is a fool's errand. Well, I did not do that, the German report did: "The report continues that Sturmgeschütz III and Panzer IV with the long barreled 75 mm guns are clearly superior, whereas the Marder can only be used in a defensive role. Although, it is outlined that the Marder is clearly better than the regular Pak 40:" And I made it also rather apparent that the report has a bit of an "agenda": "Additionally, it is without question that the writer of the report wanted Sturmgeschütze, which he thought came close to an ideal solution."
@dinin_alone8 ай бұрын
The best part of your channel is that you can provide accurate pronunciation for all the german vehicles.
@lawrencehakiwai3 жыл бұрын
You're missing the point that it was a Marder 3 or nothing. Germany didn't have the ability to retool factories fast enough to switch production from obsolete vehicles to other types. That's why vehicles like the Wespe and Marder were built. They were still better than nothing.
@Petem76683 жыл бұрын
Yes better than nothing but at best, just delaying the inevitable
@tamlandipper292 жыл бұрын
I kind of get your point, but standardisation would have saved so many problems. How can 1000 murder possibly be less effort than retooling once?
@lawrencehakiwai2 жыл бұрын
@@tamlandipper29 Retooling to build a completely different vehicle means stopping production, potentially for months. Germany needed every weapon it could get and stopping production wasn't an option.
@MGB-learning3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding video and presentation.
@TickFordAuMont2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the detail in your production's. Thank you.
@bencejuhasz64593 жыл бұрын
Greetings! I would love to know which source stated that Marder IIIMs were converted from previously built chassis. The upper hull of the Sd.kfz. 138/1 vehicle was purpose-built, and from about the middle of the production, instead of part riveting,part welding(and part cast for the driver's position),they used an all welded construction. Basically, OKW changed the contract with BMM from light tank to SPG chassis and hull.(If I remember correctly,that is in Panzer Tracts 7-2 as well as in Marder III a Grille, by Vladimir Francev and Charles Kliment.)About the purpose built upper hull,it was different from the standard 38(t) hull,as it used a very sloped frontal upper plate. These hulls were also used as basis for the Flakpanzer 38(t),the Sd.kfz 138/1 Ausf M Grille and an ammo carrier. Since the original 38(t) hulls were riveted while the new ones were welded and using different angles for the armour plates,I found the task of conversion from standard 38(t) hull to 138/1 hull at least problematic.(Of course,not unimaginable or undoeable,just problematic.) About the Marder H crew numbers(is it 3 or 4). They kept the hull as intact as possible,so there was room for two people in the hull,but since you can "replace" the hull MG-gunner with some ammo,it is understandable if some units thought 3 is better than 4. Especially since this vehicles were supposed to be used in defense. The Soviet 7,62 cm field gun in question is the F-22. It was designed by Rheinmetall in the 30ies for the Red Army, so it was rather fitting that they were the ones tasked to refurbish it as a PaK-40 supplement. A Hungarian Armour Enthusiast
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
Nuts & Bolts
@bencejuhasz64593 жыл бұрын
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Volume 17?
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
Part II on the Marder, I would get both that are listed in the description, Part II is an update on Part I.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
there is at least one table with the conversions listed per month etc.
@bencejuhasz64593 жыл бұрын
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized I am going to search for it. Thank you for answering me.
@Hans0133 жыл бұрын
I think you can find footage of italian front where german spotter call Marder III. M to move from hiding position to firing position. Also in the end whole point of Marder is come down to tactical mobility of towed gun vs on wheel.
@amsfountain87923 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. I am confused about the graphic at 1.12. There are 3 Marder III variants but you only spoke about H and M model. What happened to the first one?
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
we don't talk about him ;)
@polmeria4653 жыл бұрын
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized poor guy was left out :(
@panzerschliffehohenzollern48633 жыл бұрын
Probably a prototype version
@herosstratos3 жыл бұрын
About 344 Marder III Sd.Kfz. 139 w. FK 7,62 cm (r) (Panzerjäger 38(t) für 7,62 cm PaK 36) were build, some were used in Africa.
@krismakardikan98233 жыл бұрын
I'd always figured if there was an Ausführung F or G, there had to have been C-E before them at some point, even if they were prototypes or limited production runs.
@-Zevin-3 жыл бұрын
Ahh yes the Marder, also known as the "tank destroyer" that explodes into a fireball from a stiff breeze in Steel Division 2. I always wanted to make it work but it's a question of do you want a AT gun that has a lower profile, better stealth, and is harder to hit, or do you want a AT gun that has mobility, but why do you need an AT gun with mobility? Generally you want to set it up in a good position for defense or to set an ambush. At least American TD had great speed and a turret, allowing them to quickly flank or move into a advantageous position, they also died to a stiff breeze but at least it seems they had some use. In real life I can see the logistical usefulness of a self propelled AT gun, on the eastern front the lines were constantly moving and the Germans ultimately ended up on a multi year retreat. Having a AT gun that has tracks and won't get stuck in the mud and can pretty much drive anywhere as needed has value.
@matthiuskoenig33783 жыл бұрын
The lack of need to unlimber/dismount and relimber/remount is the main advantage of a sp-at gun over a regular one. It allows you to use a wider variety of ambush positions irl and to pull back from infantry. Marders irl had mgs in ball mounts or spintol mounts, allowing them o lay suppressive fore on the move too.
@Valks-223 жыл бұрын
Generally speaking TD's in SD2 are completely inferior to AT guns. Nashorn is passable at best due to superior range to keep it safe if only for a while. Pak40/43 in a forest is always better.
@madkills103 жыл бұрын
i think the issue with SPGs in steel division is there is really no need to move an AT gun. As you said, you set them up and leave them. In real life when u have to actually get that gun to the battle thats when an SPG would come in handy
@Overlord7343 жыл бұрын
AT gun is stealthy only until the first shot is fired.
@Valks-223 жыл бұрын
@@Overlord734 (if we're still on the subject of SD2) it has more HP (more crew) and can take more damage and suppression. It's also usually placed in excellent cover while TD's such as Marder fire of a shot or two out of thin forest and even 1v1's within enemy ranges when firing first are a 50/50. Since the second if not first hit on it is a kill. The stiff breeze OP mentioned
@extraterrestrialfascisti76252 жыл бұрын
I was friends with knights cross holder Hardy Svenson (born Eberhard Schmalz). He won the Deutsches kreuz i Gold commanding a Marder III on the Don bend with Pz jgr abt 43, 8 Panzer division. He shot up 9 Russian tanks in December 1942 with a Marder. Ultimately, he did not like being protected only by a shield of “sheet metal”. After officers school he chose to serve in an pz jaeger unit equipped with the Stug III. The stug III he thought was a very fine weapon..
@extraterrestrialfascisti76252 жыл бұрын
The round used to kill the T-34 was a tungsten round that was provided for "last ditch" uses. The gun on the Marder III was the ex-Russian 76mm anti aircraft gun.
3 жыл бұрын
This is also the last time* we see him in the "old" setup of the WW2 Hall in the German Tank Museum, as they are just now reshuffeling it to improve the exhibition a bit. In that sense you were lucky because the PaK40 is still right next to the Marder III. A few weeks ago I did one of my first not book review Videos (in German) trying to compare the sizes and weight of the different German PaKs throughout WW2. One only has to look at the difference between the some 450 kgs of the PaK 35/36 to the 4380 kgs of the Pak 43/41 to understand the reasoning for "self propelling" them and also one of the reasons why PaKs were not a big thing in many armies after WW2. Of course a nice topic for a DPM Video would be the Vehicle which used to by right across from the Marder. The Pak 40 on Raupenschlepper Ost. It would be nice to hear what some primary sources have to say on that one, as it doesnt come away that positiv in the Museums Catalog :) *Yes I know that he probably filmed a gazillion other Videos on that trip and so it is not quite the last time.
@Fowey73 жыл бұрын
interesting to see those production numbers, I think more people know about the h variant because of war thunder, when in the end there were more of the m variant made. maybe they should add the m variant to the game too, tho German tech tree is already very big
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
Maybe also because the H variant is more recognizable, the M variant looks more like a Wespe or Hummel.
@DJ118USMC3 жыл бұрын
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized I think that the Marder III H is a nicer looking vehicle. To me it's more aesthetically pleasing than the other Marder variants. That being said I would love to see more Marder variants added to War Thunder as I quite enjoy playing the Marder III H.
@madkills103 жыл бұрын
i thought that too when i saw the production numbers. I think the Marder 3 H fits into the early German BR with the other '35/38 (T)' variants abit better than the M
@rokinz32703 жыл бұрын
Love the Marder, for such a strange looking TD its kinda nice. I have a model of the Aust M sitting on my desk at work.
@CheapoK173 жыл бұрын
Wanted to see this one for a long time, thank you!
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoyed it!
@jamesevans8863 жыл бұрын
From my limited research I was under the impression that eventually the Russian 76.2 gun in German service were eventually rechambered for PaK 40 rounds. Rather than just making a self- propelled anti tank gun on a wider more wholistic view it seemed a down and dirty way to make good panzer losses, especially after Kursk. All up as usual a short but very informative video. As I am a doctrine nut I would like to see more on tactics developed for it. Ie you shown me what it is, now tell me how it was used rather than very broad terms such as it was best used defensively. Was it used in PaK fronts and the like.
@TheArklyte3 жыл бұрын
Not exactly. They used Pak40 shells,the cash Ng was unique though. The gun in question was F-22, a failed project to make universal guns. They were replaced by cheaper and yet more modern ZiS-3. But ZiS-3 was 100% artillery gun, there was no modernization reserve. Meanwhile F-22 was on purpose build with too thick chamber walls that were supposed to be redrilled for AA use later on if the project would be approved as universal gun. Germans just captured the plans when they entered Kharkov and basically had done what was already listed in blueprints. There was no development per say involved. Would you claim that you have developed your IKEA furniture?:))
@jeremy281352 жыл бұрын
Bernhard, i hope all is well. Happy New Year and God Bless. Keep the vids coming, we love em!
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Happy new year to you to!
@JJ-cf7nb3 жыл бұрын
Your best video yet! Great research and presented in a very clear and informative manner. Thanks for sharing. I enjoyed every minute of this.
@stephenresler3 жыл бұрын
Very excellent scholarship and history. Thank you for translating the meters to feet. Easier for me to understand. A+ grade.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
@BHuang923 жыл бұрын
I was surprised how much fun I had playing the Marder III Ausf. F in War Thunder! In one match, I single-handedly denied the cap until I ran out of ammo!
@benpurcell49353 жыл бұрын
If in the right position a marder can wreak havoc. Unless playing arcade and it’s mid to late game. I’ve played the Marder it’s fun until its not.
@mikepette44223 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this look at the Marder. Always had a soft spot for the various Marders as a kid 2 of my best model kits ( ie the best painted) were a 1/35 Tamiya Marder II with a Panzer II hull and a Revell 1/32 Marder III Ausf M. Both painted in various desert camo's
@mikerequadt96613 жыл бұрын
The Marder III Ausf. M, Sd.Kfz. 138, carried the 7.5 cm Pak 40; PzGr. 40 round at 1500 m could penetrate up to 97mm were these rounds not much available? What where the tactics mostly employed by the Marder III crews; did they camouflage, and then shoot and scoot?
@jrd333 жыл бұрын
PzGr. 40 production was halted (in 1943 IIRC) because it required tungsten, which was in short supply and required for manufacturing.
@AimlessSavant3 жыл бұрын
i find captured/inherited equipment vehicles to be very interesting. Just attempts to reuse old materials for the sake of efficiency.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
I think it was more due to scarcity.
@AimlessSavant3 жыл бұрын
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized scarcity is the source of many a squeezed lemon. :v
@markcole51085 ай бұрын
I think it is important to note that after the Marder’s introduction, it became standard practice for the anti-tank battalions of German infantry divisions to receive one company of Marders and have two companies of towed anti-tank guns. It was extremely uncommon for them to be used outside of this structure. In contrast, StuGs were sufficiently armored that they could be used in Panzer regiments when there were not sufficient turreted Panzers to fill the regiment. As the war progressed and additional StuGs were produced, or foreign vehicles, like the Italian Semovente 75, were put into German service, that German infantry divisions started fielding one company of StuGs, one company of Marders, and one towed AT company. As Hetzers were introducing, they started replacing the outdated Marders. So, during 1943 to late 1944, the Marders served the role of mobile AT guns for relatively static infantry divisions very well. They were not typically sent to more mobile Panzer and Panzergrenadier divisions that were expected to attack and counterattack enemy forces.
@retroattic46473 жыл бұрын
Good video. In Warthunder at BR 2.7-3.0 the Marder is devastating if used properly. Against M5s, M3s and early Sherman tanks it can outrange and easily penetrate. More often than not, it's enemy air support that gets the Marder.
@Ad_Valorem3 жыл бұрын
In the final battle scene in Saving Private Ryan, it appears that Marder III H and Ms are featured in combat. Bernhard states that the maximum elevation of the Pak 40 was 9 degrees. In the movie an Ausf. H elevates its gun way past the maximum to blast private Jackson from the top of a church tower, a display of artistic license, I now realize, for an antitank vehicle.
@ADITADDICTS3 жыл бұрын
It was one of the vehicles in the end battle right? The one they hit with the molotov?
@Ad_Valorem3 жыл бұрын
@@ADITADDICTS That looked to be an Ausf. M, based on the location of the crew compartment. Late in the battle, Sgt. Horvath bazookas what looks to be a Ausf. H. My understanding is that all of the AFVs were replicas built for the movie, so the builders may not have been perfectly faithful to the details. Another detail: they should not have been able to shoot into the tiger driver compartment because the viewport should have been blocked with ballistic glass. Later, I tried to ID the German AFVs and was astounded at how many they eventually employed, mashups of various carriages, guns, and other parts. It must have been a nightmare to maintain such an inventory. This documentary clears up much of the confusion. Maybe Bernard could confirm all this.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
I looked at some images, it seems there was also a mock-up for the Sturmpanzer IV usually called "Brummbär" that aims up: www.sproe.com/images/screenshots/tankdestroyer-02-large.jpg And yes, the Tiger should have ballistic glass there, they also had several spares generally to replace broken ones as well. It seems most of them are converted Swedish Tanks, the Tiger was on a T-34 hull if I remember correctly, see the road wheels. mock-up Marder III Ausf. H: www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/hzdsrb/slightly_modified_swedish_sav_m43_assault_gun/ mock-up Ausf. M: www.sproe.com/images/screenshots/marder3-02-large.jpg
@ADITADDICTS3 жыл бұрын
@@Ad_Valorem the luftwaffe did the same thing with planes. Anything that went down, German or allied, if it could be fixed then it was back up in the air. A lot of times with a freshly painted swastika over the other countries markings lol.
@michaelvs.scorpio76764 ай бұрын
Thank you for speaking a little bit of German in the video!! I LOVE the PHYSICAL APPEARANCE of the German Marders; I think they look really TOUGH and AGGRESSIVE!!
@Train1153 жыл бұрын
0:49, the left Marder II has another name that is: Panzwrselbstfahlfette I fud 7.62 PAK 36(r) auf Pzkpfw. II Ausf. D (Sdkfz. 132). The long version is something along the lines of: Panzwrselbstfahlfette I fud 7.62 Panzer Abwher Kanone 36(r) auf Panzerkampfwagen II Ausführung D (Sonderkraftfahrzeug 132)
@SmokinLoon51503 жыл бұрын
One thing many people over look in their discussions of German anti-tank firepower is the quality of the optics. There is no question that the Germans had the best optics in WW2 in terms of quality and clarity. I for one do not understand why the Germans stayed with the original 2.3X (?) for the Panzer IV F2/H, and StG III/IV's, when they could have pumped up to the 5X like the Panther, etc. Do you have the resources to compare German vs Soviet optics ? Perhaps vs US and UK too? Thanks again. :)
@ryleyrains68363 жыл бұрын
That would be a cool video
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
sadly I have not seen anything that was really substantial in that matter, I hear/read it all the time, but over the years I came across so much stuff that is just wrong that I had heard/read all the time that I am bit burnt and hesitant.
@gizmophoto35773 жыл бұрын
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized We definitely appreciate your efforts to discern legend from reality. Sometimes they align, but very often don’t.
@nattygsbord3 жыл бұрын
Russian optics were bad with much dust in theirs and the inprecision made their guns very unaccurate at long ranges. Having super optics on German tanks was perhaps not super useful. I mean really need a dumb opponent driving open terrain to let him fire at you from long ranges where you cannot fire back. I would try to use hills and buildings to sneak up on my enemy at close range so a fair fight could be had. And if my tank company was ambushed then I would just fire smoke grenades and retreat. And then would the enemy be unable to use his nice optics to destroy allied tanks from long ranges anymore. I would try to sneak up on the flanks on the German tanks and hit their side armor and deny them the chance of a long range fire fight where they can use their superior frontal armor, optics and powerful guns. The Germans in the late war also lacked everything supporting their tanks - they did not have enough recon to know where the enemy were, they did not have enough flak to protect their tanks from air attacks, they lacked artillery support and infantry support to deal with close range threats from enemy infantry, and engineers to deal with mines and make bridges... So even if the Germans for some reason would have been able to assemble lots of panther tanks they would still not be able to use them effectivly because the lack of good support organization - so as an allied tanker I could use this knowledge to my advantage to sneak up on them and outflank them. And if I was lazy, I could just call in air strikes and destroy the German tanks with bombers before they even had the chance to use their nice optics on any allied tank.
@MarkoftheGhost3 жыл бұрын
I loved this video. It clarifies so many things about the Marder that I didn’t know.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
thank you, glad you learned something!
@joshjosh17803 жыл бұрын
In steel division (a video game), Marder's are good for one kill if you have good recon units and can lure an enemy tank into it's line of fire from an angle the enemy can not quickly return fire from, otherwise all Marder's/38T's are in fact useless< i don't put them in my division's and only get forced to play with them if I want a challenge and let the game give me random units, it must have been difficult to "work with what you've got" is all I can say for the German commander's who had to make use of these.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
yeah, I take the Pak 40 over a Marder nearly always. The Pak 40 can take quite a lot of shots from tanks, can hide etc. I assume if one is good with micro a Marder or better a group of them can be used quite well, but that is hard. What can also work is to have like one or more heavy armored units in front and the Marders behind, at least that is how I use the Grille, since the AI usually fires at the tanks in the front first. But I think in reality they were far more effective. In Steel Division 2 rocket artillery is also really good for counter-battery fire, whereas this seems not to be the case in real-life from all I read. I know Steel Division quite well, I guess you mean Steel Division 2. I did a video on Steel Division 44 a few years ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/joa7oKWOd9aBo5o
@ChrisS-fh7zt3 жыл бұрын
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized The Nebelwerfer/Panzerwerfer 150mm rockets only had about a 9,000 meter max range and most 105mm/122mm had about 12-15,000 meter range you can see why most of the German rockets was just simply outranged with the comparable gun types then in use.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
another issue was accuracy, those rockets were all over the place.
@superbman843 жыл бұрын
If it were useless then it wouldn’t have blown up the bell tower in Saving Private Ryan
@JohnBham3 жыл бұрын
The vehicle that blew up the Bell Tower in SPR was a repainted Swedish Sav m/43- their version of the Marder/Hetzer family. I'd have to go back and look, but if I'm not mistaken the m/43 in the film is mounted with the 75mm gun, as opposed to the alternate 105mm gun. Also, I believe the Marder 38t shown in the film is also a Sav m/43 with the back of the crew compartment cut off (maybe the same m/43 as the other with a removable section?).
@ik89702 жыл бұрын
Sehr lehrreich - understanding the tank in it’s technik and history… and improving my English
@warsepticagaming95273 жыл бұрын
Huh, i did not know that Marder in English in Marten, I always called it the Murder II/III for the longest time until I corrected myself.
@w0lfgm3 жыл бұрын
Idea to recycle old obsolete chassis and move AT gun was useful.
@kamata933 жыл бұрын
After thinking for a bit, it makes sense to have the loader on the left side and the gunner on the right. Its way more comfortable to load a gun from the left side.
@WhiteWolfeHU3 жыл бұрын
I used to absolutely love this military stuff, then I started listening to audio books of German soldiers fighting this war…. It makes me sick now, it’s absolutely horrific and god help us from ever having to experience such a thing.
@someguy78053 жыл бұрын
If you think WWII was bad, just wait until Armageddon!!!
@umjackd3 жыл бұрын
It's all still interesting stuff: the high degrees of human endurance that people go through, the limits to which they can and can't stand, the horrible and uplifting elements of human nature that come out... None of us should ever actually want to experience it, but it's still something you can learn about from a safe distance.
@micfail23 жыл бұрын
"It is well that war is so terrible, or we should grow too fond of it" - General Robert E. Lee
@eetutorri87673 жыл бұрын
Kinda interesting comment (at 3:22) that Panzer 38(t) was too slow for recon but Germans would end up converting 60-70 (exact number is unknown) old Panzer 38(t) to Aufklärungspanzer 38(t) during 1944.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
yeah, I know :D
@yosefvonhansom29213 жыл бұрын
It can simply be summed up to "German logic"
@DraftySatyr3 жыл бұрын
The clue might be in the date: when you only have offal, you're not going to prepare a steak dinner.
@christophervanoster3 жыл бұрын
I love the marder 38t. In world of tanks, it has a high velocity 75mm with outrageous rate of fire, accuracy, and very good camo factor. I know it’s only a game, but hey, I like it
@andresdow76872 жыл бұрын
I cant remember the source, but i remember reading that the germans loved them in the italian campaign, because they could pop out behind a cliff or alley and fire deadly accurate shots.
@Rendell0013 жыл бұрын
I remember having one of these in kit form when I was in my teens - I think it was the Italeri version. Very detailed and a great kit.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized2 жыл бұрын
I had a few Italeri sets of my own, mostly ships though, like the Graf Spee. I am not sure, but I think either there were no tanks in store or I did not buy them for some reason.
@Rendell0012 жыл бұрын
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized it’s strange because up until that point I only seemed to have Tamiya kits in 1/35 scale - really should have widened my horizons before the Marder kit!
@treyhelms52823 жыл бұрын
No mention of track tensioning? "Sad Chieftain Sounds in the background"
@dmh0667ify3 жыл бұрын
How much of the impetus for this vehicle came from the Soviet ZiS-30s? The original Marder III looks a lot like that in the profile, if nothing else, but was a improvised Tank-Destroyer produced between October and December 1941 and also armed with the 7.62 cm AT Gun.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
I don't know, but Tank Encyclopedia notes it at 1941, whereas the Germans already designed the Panzerjäger I in 1939: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerj%C3%A4ger_I I don't consider any of these vehicles particularly revolutionary, use obsolete chassis and put the biggest gun possible on it, see also Sturmpanzer I etc.
@johnlawrence37812 жыл бұрын
Sind einige dieser Panzerkampwagen im Film 'Saving Private Ryan ' gewesen nicht war?
@stefankaufmann82573 жыл бұрын
Wieder mal eine sehr interessante, fundierte Analyse - mit einer kleinen Prise Salz wie immer 👍
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
Danke :)
@billd.iniowa22633 жыл бұрын
Been waiting ages for this. Thanx Bernhard
@johnelliott73752 жыл бұрын
Very good and informative video as always and I hope that you have a great Holiday Season and a Merry Christmas to you all! Thanks again for sharing your work with us. Have a great evening.
@RonLWilson3 жыл бұрын
Being an avid wargamer I have often wondered how one might best model the effectiveness of a turreted AFV vs one will a hull/fixed mounted gun. Is there any data that you have run across that comperes the effectiveness of the two different gun mounting approaches ?
@krismakardikan98233 жыл бұрын
Avalon Hill's "Panzer Leader" solves that dilemma by only allowing SPGs to fire in the direction of the three hexes immediately in front of it (the same rule applies to towed guns, howitzers, and larger calibre mortars, but not towed AA guns). This reflects the limited traverse of a hull mounted gun and of towed artillery once emplaced. Turreted AFVs can fire in any direction and then move up to half their movement allowance in the same turn. A German tank unit can also transport an infantry unit and execute a "panzerblitz assault". The infantry jumps off the panzers immediately in front of the target, the panzers "overrun" the target and stop in the hex behind the target . Damage inflicted by the panzers is now calculated (hit probability against armoured targets is doubled). The infantry unit then executes a "close assault" on any surviving elements in the targeted hex (their Combat Result dice roll is increased by two columns). If a German engineer unit is close assaulting, it doubles the attack strength of any one other German infantry unit which is also close assaulting the same target during that same turn. Or something along those lines.
@scifidude1843 жыл бұрын
Context with the Armor value of those tanks. Those values are effective 90 degrees, taking account line of slight thickness due to sloping. T34 with a 45mm plate at 45 degrees =90 mm. However all penetration values are 30 degrees from vertical, not the 90 degree penetration.
@kiowhatta12 жыл бұрын
It’s so clear to me that the Germans ought to have been attempting to develop Stug’s, jagdpanthers, and Hetzers earlier without these ‘stopgap’ vehicles. Imagine the production numbers had these closed superstructure assault guns and TD’s would have been. Also throw away the Nashorn and go straight to the panther would have seen a much higher confidence in the Panzerwaffe. Although ‘sexy cats’ the entire Tiger series was a waste. The sturer Emil with an closed armoured superstructure along with the Dicker Max would have served as exceptional vehicles for mass production ( under 45 tonnes ) high velocity guns, good armour protection etc. The only remaining problem was how to standardise mobile artillery/rocket launchers , recon vehicles and armoured personnel carriers.
@kartoffeljager76093 жыл бұрын
Romanians had also a type of Marder called TACAM-R2 and the father of the Hetzer was a romanian tank called Mareșal
@Scott-qq9jd3 жыл бұрын
So I'll be honest, I appreciate the translation of Marder into English, but I actually had to look up what a Marten is. I thought it was some kind of bird, and boy was I wrong. I suspect that I am not the only English-speaker who has had to look it up.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I keep that in mind.
@retroattic46473 жыл бұрын
I don't think that's the content providers fault... Your lack of knowledge of your native tounge. I on the other hand appreciated the translation as I'd never been told what it was. For completeness the "Purple Martin" is indeed a bird so you weren't too far off on that one.
@nekophht3 жыл бұрын
@@retroattic4647 To be fair, I wouldn't expect everyone to be able to name any animal that exists, let alone what it's called in their native tongue. Had to look marten up myself, but I do appreciate the translation into English from MHV.
@marjae27673 жыл бұрын
@@retroattic4647 Martens are very rare, and with limited ranges, in England and the United States. More common in Wales, Scotland, Ireland, and Canada though. Fishers and Wolverines also have restricted ranges, but they're more famous. Maybe "a smaller tree-dwelling relative of the Fisher and Wolverine" might work.
@Scott-qq9jd3 жыл бұрын
@@retroattic4647 I never said it was his fault. Just mentioning that I, and likely other English speakers, are unfamiliar with the animal.
@Psiberzerker2 жыл бұрын
It's basically a Schlepper. All of the Marders (Can't really call them a series) were Schleppers in both meanings of the word. Their only purpose was "We have a bunch of guns lying around, let's see what we can bolt them to!" and get guns into battle. They all fulfilled that role: Self Propelled Gun, very well. All they had to do was get the guns to the battlefield, because the plan was to mobilize the Entire army. Even the Infantry were supposed to ride in half-tracks. So, schleppen the ATGs around by hand just wasn't going to work. Towing them behind another vehicle just wasn't going to work, and they learned a lot about JagdPanzer design in the process. They practically invented the Assault Gun, and the Tank Hunter concept, again to get guns to the field, and keep up with the Infantry in Half-Tracks. Tiger was more of a failure than this, and KonigsTiger even more of a failure than that. Throughout the war, they needed more guns, and more fuel, to carry the guns. More guns to fight their way to Ukraine, and get the fuel, to schlepp more guns. (Ultimately, the Nazis lost because they had an impossible goal, and went about it in the least sustainable way. Blitzkreig worked, until the Allies learned from it, and the Axis burned up all their fuel.) One of the main reason why the Panzer arm failed was they spent too much time polishing the welds on Panthers to get them into battle (If they didn't break down on the way.)
@Winthropede7 ай бұрын
When you are a moron and you say shit you don't know
@slartybartfarst553 жыл бұрын
Particularly good video. Always liked the Marder visually. the Ausf. M looked somehow extra Badass to me.
@TheStugbit3 жыл бұрын
Great video Bernhard. I would like to add that it seems like the Marder II had a PAK 40 gun version arriving in action like in mid 1942, I don't know the correct "ausf" for it. At least I hope so, because I scratched one of these to my wargame model kit forces combating in the Caucasus haha. As for its use in combat, I think it could have been used in attack as well, at least in some sort of covering advancing forces from the distance or the flanks from counter-attacks, things like that. It seems like while fighting on a plain, Marder's gun could outrange the one from the earlier versions of T-34 and KV-1. Mostly because of optics perhaps? Because even with the PAK gun being better than the T-34's in terms of range, it wouldn't be necessary armor piercing shells to knock down a Marder, it might have been possible to use HE shells to counter it, making both vehicles capable of knocking down each other in the distance.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, the issue is the Marder had 15mm everything goes through that except for rifle ammo. So I can't see a way that a Marder can really outrange a T-34 or KV-1. Covering an attack was possible, but the issue in the report was Soviet tanks showing up and "harassing" German lines from afar.
@TheStugbit3 жыл бұрын
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized but let me ask you, the Soviet tank optics were bad as some people claim or is this a myth? Because if they couldn't see the Marder, this would be an advantage. And how far could a PAK 40 destroy a T-34 tank? Like around 1500 km, perhaps? One problem would be the Soviet artillery, because the Soviet had it in number, so they could bombard the area around the Marder and I don't know if its armor would be enough to stand against the HE. By the way, seems like Germany was the only country to use this kind of combat vehicle in larger numbers. Those American tank destroyers were quite different for the Marders in many aspects, isn’t it? They had turrets and things like that, and seemed to be faster as well.
@pecazidle3 жыл бұрын
Su-76 was common spam, like mentioned in earlier video. That means it was produced in HUGE numbers and it is pretty same - obsolete tank chassis with good gun in static mounting and open top. US can produce good TD because there was no war on their continent so they can aford full solution.
@TheStugbit3 жыл бұрын
@@pecazidle was the SU-76 used against tanks? Wasn't it kind of a mobile artillery more keen to the Wespe? Bernhard have a video on it, I have to watch it again, because as I remember, it's focus wasn't primarely on tank combat. It has the Zis 3 mounted on it, which isn't exactly an AT gun, but could have been used for the task. I think the SU-76 can't be directly compared to the Marder because the Marder however was indeed a tank destroyer. SU-76 might have been used against tanks on occasion, just like the SU-152 did. Its gun could fire against tanks just like the 152, but it wasn't meant primarely for AT role like a Marder. The Russians were in a different position than Germany as the Marder was a stopgap to counter KVs and T-34s. As a stopgap solution I wonder if we could compare Marder to the US tank destroyers as well, because I think they would be very different combat vehicles as both have very different design characteristics and may have had also very different combat doctrines. As far as I know, US tank destroyers were meant to counter tanks on the offensive as well. They were conceived to be fast, faster than a tank. Marder may be a light-weight vehicle still compared to a tank, but it wasn't as flexible and quick as a US tank destroyer. Marder is closer to a AT mounting, but on top of a vehicle chassis, while a M10 is closer to these cruiser, "cavalry" tanks, like the Crusader tank, the Somua, Panzer III, BT tank and the like.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
I haven't look into optics yet, so I simply can't say. I am not even sure if anyone did a proper study on this topic. I read a lot of "one-liners" over the years. Turrets are expensive, Americans could afford it, Germans couldn't. Same with chassis, the Americans put their 105mm artillery on Sherman chassis, the Germans on Panzer II. See also this podcast on MagzTV particularly the comment by Chieftain: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n36oY4tppZuZgq8
@Novous3 жыл бұрын
Something that Enlisted (not a great game) really honed in for me, was how in early WW2, *any tank at all*--if the other side doesn't have a tank or anti-tank gun--is a complete game changer. Even if it's only got a machine gun, if you can't pen it with your rifles and machine gun, it's a rolling, devastating pillbox. The other side can basically do nothing but avoid it, while also having to engage the enemies infantry at the same time.
@jerryrenn3463 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Very informative, like all your other work. I would like to see you do some videos on the less glamorous German units. For instance, maybe you could do a video on the balloon observation units, if any. It would be interesting, to me at least, to see something about the German army's Topographical units " Kartenstelle truppen" I think they were called. As Napoleon once said ' An army travels on it's stomach' so it would be interesting to see something about the organization and equipment of German field kitchen and bakery units. I know interest in this more mundane stuff may be pretty low and maybe not worth the time or effort. I think this stuff is fascinating though. Anyway, Thanks for all the great vids.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
thank you, such aspects are more likely to be covered in my second channel, e.g., here I talk about the German Military Horse: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqeWhJiogqmapNU
@jerryrenn3463 жыл бұрын
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Thanks. The video on German army horses was excellent. Keep up the great work.
@murray19433 жыл бұрын
Awesome video on the Marder III H I'd like to see a following video on all Marder's in the series if you can, thanks for making this!
@mattheweagles51233 жыл бұрын
Is having the commander as gunner a good idea? Is there not a possibility that the gunner/commander becomes focused on a target and looses operational awareness?
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
I assume they tried it and based on the experiences of the regular AT gun, those had a larger crew, but I think that was also due to hauling the vehicle around. Since they switched to 4 man, I assume it did not play out so well.
@adolfusknall33412 жыл бұрын
Hi, I think there is an error in the section about the gun penetration. You are using the penetration value vs. 30° angled armour and compare this to the effective armour that already has the angling "built -in". It's a bit hard to get correct figures and in reality there are more variables... but as a T-38/85 or Sherman crewman I would not feel comfortable at 1000m in front of a PaK 40.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized2 жыл бұрын
discussed already several times in the comments
@54tisfaction3 жыл бұрын
"As you can see, there where two Marder II variants, and for the Marder III actually three." This actually makes perfect logical and linguistical sense. 😊
@Plazmatothemax3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the good video! not much to say, since my previous knowledge comes from raw statistics you bring up and just numbers regarding the tank's specifics.
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@philippepanayotov96322 жыл бұрын
Great video! All your work is brilliant
@petrkan87922 ай бұрын
It is absolutely insane to think that the 38 LT chassis was in service throughout WWII and was not replaced by a better chassis.
@Kepulikeppi3 жыл бұрын
My favorite tank destroyer in War Thunder. The gun is a masterpiece.
@brandonbennett69233 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love it
@Rommel_2093 жыл бұрын
75mm high velocity gun at low b.r., absolute menace... Other than German 20mm & US 50cal.
@alex_zetsu3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video, I always had a fascination of the Marder III Ausf H even though it was not exactly the most produced or effective tank destroyer of its side. So I'm glad this sees the light of the day. To be honest before watching I thought your title of "The Hetzer's Useless Uncle" seemed about right since I thought it would be best used as a more mobile anti-tank gun than a StuG equivalent, but the lonooog barrel sticking out means the operator could do something silly like bump it into a tree while moving it into cover. I kind of wish you read some of the German primary sources in German and then in English. It wouldn't mean much just repeating the same thing in two languages, but I really liked the infantry anti tank tactics video.