Milk-V Jupiter RISC-V PC Build

[@deechvogt1589]

It is clear that like me you are very excited for an open CPU standard that RISC V represents and I agree the progress is very encouraging.

[@williamhorton9763]

Very excited... indeed!

[@_________________404]

Not open standard. Just an open source instruction set. The CPU designs themselves don't have to be open source.

[@deechvogt1589]

@ I appreciate the correction thanks for sharing your knowledge

[@judgegroovyman]

⁠@@_________________404 thats the definition of an open standard

[@snarfbot]

the fast progress is really exciting. it's likely that risc v in these sbcs and small form factor computers will exceed rasp pi and rockchip within a year or 2.

[@Roarshark12]

I loved hearing Christopher's voice rising in expressing enthusiasm for this board. Sounds like he enjoyed it like a succulent Chinese meal.

[@Śiśna3633]

He doesn't know that Chinese meal is a poison pill.

[@Roarshark12]

@Śiśna3633 which is why I try to stay away from Chinese-made hardware. But in his case I am referencing the infamous Succulent Chinese Meal video 😁

[@google_is_annoying_me_lots3440]

@@Roarshark12 Are you implying that Christopher is an Australian credit card fraudster?

[@vk3dek]

Chris knows his CPU-Judo well.

[@dankierson]

A very doubtful metaphor there. 😮 God only knows what's in a Chinese meal... 😕

[@jmsiener]

Chris, I am fully aware of your moral reservations about this but really, a sponsor should throw you an ITX case or two. I’ve seen you build in that same little case for years now and I just feel bad knowing how many times you’ve torn down and rebuilt in that case. Think of all the systems that don’t have a home! Thanks for continuing to make great content. Formats seem to change every few months and ExplainingComputers stays the same because the format is great; if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!

[@ExplainingComputers]

Thanks for this.

[@TeH.j0keR]

This. Kinda depressing to think about... 😅 back in the day he would've already had a stack of boxes to choose from that prospective sponsors already sent him. But these days? 🫥

[@jeraldgooch6438]

Your enthusiasm is wonderful to see. And contagious! Thank you. And yes, the progress in the RISC-V space is amazing.

[@Geenimetsuri]

The progress on RISC V has been phenomenal. In a few years - perhaps end of the next if we're lucky! - I expect to see 3-4 GHz 16 core system. That should be enough for any daily computing need. Thanks for keeping us up to date!

[@SuperDavidEF]

I don't know about that. ARM has been around for quite some time and hasn't reached that size of a system. It will depend on whether Risc-V chooses to be more ARM-like or x86-like I guess.

[@andersp.1264]

The next big leap is going to be when the Milk-V Oasis, the successor of the Milk-V Jupiter board shown in this video, comes out. Sixteen cores at up to 2.5GHz, up to 64GB of RAM, PCIe gen 3 connectivity, and a price point starting at just $120. It's going to be great, the only issue is that Milk-V has been radio silent regarding its release date even though it was originally supposed to come out in Q3 this year.

[@ppdan]

Actually those are already more than enough for the majority of home users. They have more than 640kB of RAM which is more than anyone will ever need!!!

[@eitantal726]

Why is an instruction set a potential/limit to the clock speed?

[@SigEpBlue]

Very exciting! I hope we see many more RISC-V boards in the near future, and more Linux distributions that can run on them.

[@zaplavsky]

Thank you for what you are doing!

[@ExplainingComputers]

Thanks for your support, most appreciated. :)

[@no-one3795]

Excited to see the future where RISC-V will be an alternative to x86 or ARM

[@backacheache]

Yes, especially since ARM are starting to get greedy now :-(

[@theviniso]

​@@backacheache It was bound to happen eventually.

[@MagikGimp]

Why?

[@andrina118]

@@MagikGimp Because it is possible for a chip design to exist in the public domain, similar to free software

[@zorabixun]

​@@andrina118.. could you pls explain more what we can do in this way ? Do we can modify a design of a chip ? It would be interesting, but the size of the work is huge, to possible effectiveness 🤔

[@siener]

I used to be a RISC-V skeptic, but now I'm pretty excited about it's future. The progress in the past few years has been amazing. I think it will make even more inroads into the embedded market and the data center, but eventually I think we'll see more and better consumer devices.

[@Arkajyoti]

Chris introduced RISC-V to me and now he’s getting me really interested in it. Now I’m in a real dilemma about what to pick for my next PC build and Chris is entirely responsible for that. :)

[@jaffarbh]

Even the Japanese government is investing in RISC-V development, which is a clear indicator that there is a political (and commercial) interest in a free, open ISA. No doubt RISC-V will become more important in the foreseeable future

[@aminorityofone]

It is politically important as a government can build a cpu around their specific military needs. This is incredibly significant and many governments around the world are interested in this arch . Commercial, meh. Intel, AMD and arm will continue to dominate commercial applications for the foreseeable future.

[@jaffarbh]

@@aminorityofone Very interesting point about military use of specific CPUs. Any use case comes to mind?

[@ThylineTheGay]

@@jaffarbh if there's one thing militaries hate more than people being alive, it's using anything that isn't super secret proprietary in-house stuff, and AMD and intel are US companies

[@timballam3675]

I think this has started due to the near monopoly of ARM in the processor space.

[@davidnorman179]

i like when you include the shell commands. helpful!

[@lucyfrye6723]

Risc is truly moving towards being an interesting purchase. We are so close, it's certainly a lot of connectivity for that price. Thanks for taking one for the team. We are not there yet but it is now a matter of only a few years. Got it.

[@mart82890]

This reminds me of the days of an 8086 and 8088. Computers changed very fast from those chips.

[@ExplainingComputers]

A great comparison. This is just where we are with RISC-V, at a time of rapid and exciting change.

[@markromine5103]

​@ExplainingComputers Putting an 8MHz V20 CPU and new clock crystal into my home-built XT was the start of my over-clocking journey. Tinkering back in those days, by mail-order and printed magazines, was wild. I really hope Risc-V continues to grow.

[@michaelwright2986]

@@markromine5103 V20: takes me back. About the same time as my first HDD. Decided to future proof, and spent the money for 20MB.

[@80Loke]

The cpus in Amiga was Motorola RISC ?

[@biffzinker7994]

Motorola's processor in the Amiga was CISC starting with the 68000. ​@@80Loke

[@andrekz9138]

I share your enthusiasm for RISC-V complete systems, even if my excitement is only to see what pops out.

[@Techmagus76]

Thanks. I am fully with you the amount and speed of progress RISC V is taking is really exciting.

[@PS_Tube]

Greetings. It's always exciting to see new EC videos on Sundays. It's nice to see RISC-V devices that aren't always SBC form factor.

[@-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi-]

This may not be the "sexy RISC-V showcase" people were hoping for but, your're doing important work. The main takeaway from this: RISC-V is getting there.

[@youtomb]

I finally finished off my own Milk-V Jupiter build and was very excited to hear you'd be doing a video with the board. Exciting little guy.

[@LeftoverBeefcake]

These developments with RISC-V are great to see. More choice is always better, since this will keep competitors on their toes and encourage innovation.

[@merthyr1831]

I hope MilkV starts producing their motherboards with replaceable processors. It would be awesome to not need a whole new system just to replace the CPU!

[@ezforsaken]

they do it because sockets are expensive to produce compared to just mount directly, both the interface on the cpu and on the motherboard needs to exist; and support between multiple boards and multiple cpus needs to be added, instead of the firmware to only support the sole chip it can come with. Besides this, newer cpus need to be compatible on the old motherboard, which means you need to design a lot in advance. Basically it would increase cost way more than what you may think, and no one is going to buy a 200usd weak sbc with almost no compatible software.

[@ThylineTheGay]

@@ezforsaken that's reasonable, given they're tiny companies compared to x86 i think slotted ram and more pcie connectivity should be the priority, because like, a NAS really doesn't need that much CPU power, but a lot of connectivity, if they could make boards for around this price, but with more pcie and sata, then they may well be pretty popular in DIY NAS communities

[@sbc_tinkerer]

Blessed Sunday greeting!

[@ExplainingComputers]

Greetings! :)

[@valdisxp1]

I share your enthusiasm. This is so cool! The last RISC-V board I remember was a basically a prototyping board for developers. Thank you for showcasing this one!

[@tomlynn1000]

Thanks for helping people avoid getting too far over their skis with RISC V. It's clearly still on its way.

[@sky37blue]

Excellent, Sunday just got better!

[@jinty83]

It's always nice to see more development and innovation in this sector of the desktop computing world. Thanks Chris for another fantastic video on risc-v!

[@johncundiff7075]

Come on, open,, Just for us.. made me chuckle!!! I often talk to the machine I'm working on!! Love your videos Sir!!! Have a great day!!

[@tanmoymridha5002]

CPU with an open standard instruction set and an open-source operating system...These type of systems should be the future of computing.

[@brianwood5220]

Great video, Chris. Risk-V will be in common usage soon, I'm sure. I think It's great that we have another type of architecture. Mankind takes another step on our road of evolution. Thanks for sharing.

[@evanjrowley]

Very exciting possibilities, so grateful RISC-V has come this far

[@igfoobar]

It is so remarkable to see that even in the mini-itx form factor, most of the board is empty space. I remember having a 386 motherboard that was full size AT form factor and it was absolutely packed with chips.

[@dcchillin4687]

This riscv seems about the same speed as my 5th gen i3 laptop with debian. That's pretty impressive.

[@subynut]

It is very exciting seeing new computer systems and architectures! Thank you for checking out these new technologies and putting them through their paces.

[@SB-qm5wg]

RISC-V getting better is exciting.

[@perrymcclusky4695]

This was a very exciting project indeed! I find the RISC-V videos fascinating. Looking forward to your next video!

[@ExplainingComputers]

Greetings Perry. :)

[@perrymcclusky4695]

@ Always great to be greeted by you! Wishing you a great day!

[@esra_erimez]

21:26 "it's because its a frontier" that is exactly how I feel

[@JeSuisUnePatate]

Those ducks looks even cuter on a RISC V ! 🥳

[@awesomearizona-dino]

Good Morning Chris. Always great Sunday videos.

[@ExplainingComputers]

Greetings!

[@CommodoreFan64]

While I'm sticking to X86, and ARM for the foreseeable future, it's always nice to see new options come about that show a lot of great promise!

[@chasewilliams3949]

I wish I had a use for one of these! Both ARM and RISC-V are becoming serious desktop competitors, which is something we've been saying for a long time, but it feels like it's really coming to fruition now. People are using Apple ARM SOCs without even knowing they're using a different architecture, and both hardware and software are coming to a point where Id feel comfortable sitting my parents down in front of an ARM SBC running Linux, and RISC-V is quickly catching up. Seeing x86, ARM, and RISC-V duke it out reminds me of when the 8080, 6502, and Z80 were in similar competition.

[@oneilmw]

"Let's go and get started" woah that threw me off, well done hahaha!

[@lionelreesable]

Hello Chris, thank you very much for a helpful and informative video. You have demystified a few concerns I had about RISC-V. Best wishes.

[@martinsmith5028]

Thanks Chris. RISC-V is coming on in leaps and bounds. A couple more years will, I think, bring some big changes in performance. Have fun!

[@Grandwigg]

It's a wonderful time to be a computer enthusiast. Making a computer for regular use with an open architecture is no longer the the risky proposition, with the advancing maturity of the RISC V xl systems now available. The presentation for this build is lovely and I look forward to further growth in this area of computing. It's impressive to see how far streaming playback has progressed in the last few years. And the increasing amount of software support if encouraging as well I wonder how well a PCIe riser would do in that motherboard. I know they can be rather finicky depending on what they are connecting. Though I admittedly didn't have any personal experience with them. Hopefully KDEnLive will do better moving forward. I do also hope RISC V continues improvement and in greater daily use viability. This was a wonderful video.

[@ThomasCaetano1970]

Indeed exciting. I just installed Ubuntu on my VisionFive2 along with GCC and GNAT. I'm very excited about compiling my first Ada programme with Gnatmake. We shall see what happens. Initially I was going to buy the PolarFire Soc Discovery Kit but went with this one for now. Jupiter seems enticing.

[@Colin_Ames]

Excellent video, as always. I like your enthusiasm for this up and coming technology. I don't know if, by the time RISC-V becomes mainstream, I will still have all my faculties, but I can only hope!

[@RobertBoerner]

Another excellent video, and very exciting to see the progress of RISC-V. I would love to see a Members Only video that is a compilation of Chris fiddling with unboxings or fitting the ATX backplates :-)

[@ExplainingComputers]

Now these are good suggestions -- noted! :)

[@aloytrinidad824]

For context at 17:31 - 18:04: In Win Chopin doesn't had a slot dedicated for low-profile PCIe cards due to the internal design. The case is only suitable for mini ITX builds that rely on APUs (CPUs with integrated graphics). Though, great video for those were interested to expedience RISC-V. Pricey on my end but not as much.

[@andrina118]

Great stuff Chris! We're on the cusp of an era of completely open & free (as in freedom) PC designs, unencumbered by patents and other legalistic cruft. It would be good to see a mainstream free software distro like Debian working with a RISC-V PC board out of the box .

[@autohmae]

While I'm also excited about RISC-V, it's important to remember it's just the instruction set. Which basically means it will be more open for companies, but not much more for consumers. Unless a country or the EU spends on the money on a high performance chip design and releases it to the public (my guess is no corporation will release it for free), I don't think the RISC-V future will be all that more open. What we might have is more open smaller devices, I can see that happening, but not so much the daily driver.

[@autohmae]

Also I wonder what Qualcomm will do now ARM took away their ARM CPU design licenses.

[@dankierson]

Great vid as usual. I agree it's important to review ongoing developments with RISC-V CPUs and boards - even if they turn out to be a fraction of the speed of equivalent CISC CPU systems. Because it is the way things are going and we need to know where it's at.

[@dalewheat]

Hello! Because it is THE LAW! You do crack me up, sir. Thanks for the walk-through. Looks like progress is being made for the RISC-V world.

[@Kw1161]

Thanks Chris for another RISC V computer and now on an exciting ITX setup this time! It is also good to Mr Philips and friends working on camera too…😊! Now I am watching and waiting for your Quantum SBC video hopefully in the future soon…😂…although I gave up holding my breath as passing out, gives me a headache..😂😂😂! Have a great day!

[@id104335409]

My grandsons will one day be using RiskV computers!

[@Zwank36]

Oh nice they are in stock! Exciting.

[@trevorford8332]

So impatient, Chris!! 😂 Love those mini PC.

[@pleappleappleap]

Yay! Waking up to a new EC video on a Sunday! What a treat!

[@anurasenarathna1703]

Nice video Chris. Glad to see RISC-V is progressing and in few years time it may be a good alternative to other processors.

[@boubou40]

great video ! can't wait to see the future developments in this ISA

[@Praxibetel-Ix]

Mmmmm, milk and RISC-V. With that bad joke out of the way, we've certainly come very far with RISC-V in the past couple of years and I'm very pleased to have seen its evolution here on EC. We've gone from little developer boards to an actual laptop and then a full-on mini-ITX board! I hope things can only continue to get better from here. :)

[@ExplainingComputers]

Greetings!

[@Praxibetel-Ix]

​@@ExplainingComputers Hi, Chris! :D

[@chepegarrobo]

As always, great video. I need to get one.

[@andrewstones2921]

Chris you are right to be excited by RISC-V progress, it’ll become a great option in my mine and rightly so. The idea of having strap a big mechanical fan to an X86 processor has horrified me since the days of the 486 processors.

[@AndrewAHayes]

I still remember the days when I thought RISK would become the main computer used, its great to see a real RISK V PC running Linux, Though it is a little slow things will get better in the future, I will wait for a faster offering before purchasing one though.

[@erelpc]

Wow this is the future of the personal desktop architecture.

[@shaunbrowne3963]

Once again, thank you for an excellent and instructional video. Well done!

[@lukasgruber1280]

i am happy this is out. not yet ready for prime time but a step into a bright future

[@edwardharding5677]

Very exciting to see RISC-V motherboards and supporting end-user GUI operating systems! This now shows how capably RISC-V is as desktop computers. It will be really interesting to compare the performance of RISC-V in 2024 compared to 5 years time!

[@felicytatomaszewska]

As an avid Apple user, I sincerely hope that these RISC-V boards continue to evolve to the point where they can give Apple's ARM chips a run for their money. It would be delightful to see some healthy competition, and who knows, maybe one day we'll have RISC-V boards that make Apple's ARM chips look like they're running on old-school iPod batteries. Here's to innovation and a bit of tech rivalry

[@autohmae]

I wonder what Qualcomm will do now ARM took away their ARM CPU design licenses.

[@TheDanEdwards]

Unlikely. RISC-V and ARM are by themselves not viable without fabs pushing the limits of the transistor. It's because of TSMC that Apple has been so successful with their ARM processors. And so far there's been no one making a RISC-V chip on the latest fabs, and even if someone did that it's not clear to me what company will sell computers from such.

[@felicytatomaszewska]

@ it has potential and future is bright so any big company can invest in it.

[@felicytatomaszewska]

@@autohmae That may prove on of the biggest mistakes by Arm. Qualcomm can invest in Risc-V and manufacture it on TSMC and kick the Arm’s monopoly

[@autohmae]

@@felicytatomaszewska the sweet spot for Qualcomm at the moment might be: Android devices on RISC-V IP for now.

[@jpwillm5252]

It is great to see the rapid progress of RISC-V! In any case, compatible applications are increasingly numerous. A few more years of such progress and the CPU world will have a serious competitor! ** Il est réjouissant de voir les progrès rapides de RISC-V ! En tout cas, les applications compatibles sont de plus en plus nombreuses. Encore quelques années de telles avancées et le monde des CPU aura un sérieux concurent !

[@shawnvines2514]

Very interesting. I have only built PCs in ATX cases recently. I will have to try mini-ATX at some point.

[@radiogentic_nuclide]

Love your video you do such a great job!

[@johnsonlam]

Thank you Chris. I think it's very meaningful since I'm really tired of all bugs of Windows and I got alternative really works, though it's a bit slow, looking forward to have surprise (as Jeff Geerling testing out external PCIe device already).

[@autohmae]

You don't need different hardware to run Linux of course.

[@jpmyers6950]

The frontier!! Good one Chris!

[@esra_erimez]

16:45 Ah yes, there they are! RISC-V makes me want to start programming in assembly language.

[@parrotraiser6541]

Have a cup of tea and a nice lie down. With luck, the impulse will go away in a few minutes. :-)*

[@esra_erimez]

@parrotraiser6541 😁

[@zorabixun]

You can programming in assembly lang on any computer, and most microcontrollers .. no need RISC

[@d.barnette2687]

Been there, done that. I'll take Python, though nothing beats assembly language for speed. It's just that pain levels when programming in assembly are just too high. :)

[@AMDRADEONRUBY]

Let's go another risc v video won't complaint sweet have a nice week

[@shamshadansari1765]

Hope to see RISC-V as the main stream system of Personal Computers

[@kobial8406]

"Verrrry Soon" - that cracked me up.

[@patriot0971]

RISC-V will gain traction with embedded system, for desktops and laptop systems, the cost is not that much of an issue. Just my opinion, glad that development is being done for all sorts of systems.

[@tristanjones7735]

Nice. Risc-V is the future. Now that people are getting more comfortable with ARM on the desktop I think we will start to see the desktop PC turn into a series of accelerator cards and the CPU will simply manage the overhead. Risc-V plus dedicated asic's could help kick moores law.

[@simplybloxxed]

Great video as always, I recently got a milkv jupiter for RISC V development and I'm already a fan of it. By the way, the jupiter is compatible with both radxa's rockpi eMMC chips, and the fan cooler for the rockpi 5B. So if you're looking for proper cooling and/or eMMC storage, I highly reccomend those. BTW, if you'd also like to try a GPU, I've heard that RX5__ gen cards have been tested on the board.

[@ExplainingComputers]

Useful info, thanks.

[@Urosaurus]

I am very pleased to see this. Thank you.

[@CyborgZeta]

I didn't mention it on the RockPi video, but that's a nice looking case. The Milk-V board looks right at home.

[@RobCMDRSavatage]

Another excellent video.Please keep up the great work. I'd be interested in hearing your insight on the current range of Apple Silicon computers and their influence on x86 hardware and battery usage.

[@gdclemo]

It's good to see some emerging competition in the CPU instruction set space. BTW Chopin (the composer) is pronounced more like Show-pan!

[@richardzeitz54]

Thanks! As a hobbyist programmer, I very much look forwards to doing some coding on a RISC-V processor. I'm actually interested in OpenMP and pthreads, and look forwards to when some massively multicore RISC-V chips come available. It would be fun to learn some assembly for RISC-V. It looks like it might be worth getting a small RISC-V computer to try out at this point.

[@y2kready]

The heatsink of an old Matrox G400 AGP graphics cards would fit perfectly there. It has the same 55mm push-pin arrangement as this board and plenty of surface area. Cheers.

[@happy_apple]

another day another riscV build

[@asiano3385]

I don't know why but I really like the SoCs with metal heat spreaders. They look kind of cool (And I guess they really are). Like a miniature version of desktop CPUs.

[@wizardling4709]

Still not fully there yet as a practical alternative to x86 or Apple Silicon. But yeah - it sure is exciting to see RISC-V progress towards that point. I hope we get there in the end!

[@aytviewer2421]

Chris: "What I need to do is... ...THIS!" Me: Dang, that's the hardware equivalent of some of my one-time use programs. Despite planning, you never know what reality is until you actually start coding/building and get your hands dirty.

[@SirTodd]

glad to see this build!

[@SusanAmberBruce]

GIMP works on everything, Greetings Chris!

[@ExplainingComputers]

Greetings Susan! :)

[@bigfootpegrande]

09:54 That's the attitude!

[@kibblestherexouium4775]

Good afternoon Christopher. I really hope RISC V catches on. I don't like the fight between dumb arm and x86. It never gonna end tho sadly.

[@stefenleung]

would be really exciting to see a RISC-V computer running HarmonyOS.

[@staninjapan07]

Some say "No news is great news" and, here at least, I would say "slow news is good news". It's too often about all or nothing when it comes to computer developments, but just glance back to when we got excited about an SX50 processor being replaced by a DX100 (if I have even remembered those details correctly). Then Pentium running at hundreds of Mega-hertz. The Celeron, was it? Just two minutes ago, really. I for one, more on philosophical lines than technical, am very much looking forward to what I think this revolution (as I see it) will bring. Openness. I share your excitement, Mr Computers, or may I call you Explaining? Thanks a lot of this, I am eagerly anticipating the video in which you show Krita skipping along smoothly an a RISC V system.

[@Jeff_Seely]

Thank you for another exciting SOC pc build. Risc V. architecture is moving fast and I'm excited to delve into this technology,. It was curious to discover that there are no GPIO headers to tinker with on projects. Do you think these RISC V motherboards will feature these pins? Always a pleasure to discover when a new video comes out on this channel! Cheers!

[@pseudonymity0000]

You can secure large heat sinks like that with pushpin holes on the motherboard with zip ties. If you get a zip tie where the square end can't fit through the hole, But the rest of the zip tie can, You just simply Put the zip tie up through the hole, loop around one of the fins and go back down through the hole and zip it tight.

[@rogierx]

I am sure you would be happy with an Arsylid K39 casing for mini-ITX builds. They are versatile, look clean and you only need to add a PCIe riser cable if you want to use a discrete videocard.

[@ExplainingComputers]

Thanks for this, looks a nice case.

[@rogierx]

@@ExplainingComputers yes I am very happy with it - only 4,2 liters but right after I suggested it here, I realised that I bought this case myself because it has NO front panel. Something you may want (but I dont) ;-)

[@marks5199]

Looks promising.

[@amadeus484]

From everything I see of RISC-V, it is not quite ready to compete with X86 and ARM, but it is quickly getting there. I anticipate seeing some decently specced RISC-V processors coming around in 2-3 years time, able to do anything its competitors can do. Time will tell if it will ever outclass X86/ARM, but given that it is an open standard I am optimistic.