Milk. White Poison or Healthy Drink? Response to Kurzgesagt

[@sunnybunnysky]

I got my period when I was 10 years old. My mom simply said, "you drink a lot of dairy, that makes sense." ???????? like both my parents were extremely intelligent and educated pharmacists and they didn't even care. I was also extremely overweight my entire life, and they never once tried to get me to eat more plants. Now that I'm vegan (5 years in) they can't help but ask me every couple of months if I am supplementing with all sorts of random vitamins and nutrients. It's like, why weren't you worried when I was actually unhealthy; eating McDonald's, pizza hut, dominos, extremely unhealthy mexican food, and steak, practically on rotation? SMH 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@MundM777]

We have so hormones in milk etc. It does make sense that you came into puberty quicker than non milk drinkes

[@simonk4174]

I fucking know right this is relatable

[@sd200man]

So many people are weird like that.

[@jjsmith7225]

That's so sad

[@phuck8627]

most people start their periods early now because of this crap v.v

[@kurzgesagt]

The most important critique in our view was that we had industry funded studies in our sources, we have since deleted and exchanged all of them with neutral ones! Here is the updated sources document: sites.google.com/view/sourcesmilk/ We responded to Mics other claims in detail here: sites.google.com/view/micthevegansourcescommentary/startseite?authuser=1 After reviewing our sources again, we can stand firmly behind the milk video and ALL the conclusions in it. If we couldn't we would take the necessary consequences! If you are interested in details, please check out the two links! Edit: Formating.

[@youtubename3434]

Why does this comment only have 7 likes?

[@moritlh]

@@youtubename3434 it wasn't pinned He doesn't want it to be seen

[@jerejarvinen625]

Great response!

[@lambda5949]

Id just like to use this actually viewable comment to point out a couple problems with weighing the validity of this argument against Kurzgesagt’s, even if you don’t want to spend time exhaustively pouring over myriads of studies. Kurzgesagt is a general-science channel with topics researched by a team of scientists likely having different viewpoints and paradigms. This video is made by a single person who has the paradigm of a vegan and is advocating for a topic that promotes veganism. I did a fair amount of research after watching both videos, but there’s no reason the evidence I found is any better than this vid’s producer. There is, however, significantly more reason to believe that a team of unbiased scientists that consistently produces high quality videos on diverse topics has more reliable data collection than either this content creator or I could produce, and unlike both of us (Me, a non-vegan and this creator, a very vocal and strong-feeling vegan), it is very unlikely Kurzgesagt has a hidden agenda given that it’s channel’s success isn’t rooted in the vegan community. This doesn’t confirm that one channel is right, but it does mean that, without doing massive amounts of independent and verifiably unbiased research, it is far more reasonable to trust Kurzgesagt than this, or frankly most other channels, out there.

[@freddyspageticode]

Very informative, thank you!

[@12q8]

Dr. Greger made a video on how the dairy industry was doing the same thing the tobacco industry did, which is to fund studies that come up with conflicting results from the established harmful effects of dairy to confuse people.

[@bosavi8697]

Unsurprisingly, coca cola did the same thing. Theyve said that it doesnt matter what you consume as long as you exorcise. This came from "political act" on netflix (but im sure you can find it on yt)

[@Dean.AlAmriki]

Bosavi is political act a documentary movie? Or tv series? I am having some trouble finding it

[@bosavi8697]

@@Dean.AlAmriki my bad! Its patriot act with hasan minhaj. Its a series

[@bosavi8697]

@@Dean.AlAmriki "how america is causing global obesity" volume 5.

[@goldenpanda3x370]

You should look into the lead industry.... now that was/is something else! Just for fun of course.

[@MictheVegan]

This was probably the most requested video in a while by you guys so thanks for sharing your WANTS AND NEEDS! I know it took me a week which is 2 internet years but hopefully you are still interested! Correction: When talking about testicular cancer I did accidentally say prostate at one point! Good ears!

[@ScarecrOmega]

I don't know if this is video worthy but some people saying that "ignoring meat/dairy funded research is pseudo-science". They are kind of right but we don't really know what goes on behind closed doors and I can't really respond to that.

[@MR.B714]

Thank you! 😎👍

[@gavinmatthews5618]

EPA link is broken ?

[@vietnamd0820]

Mic the Vegan Actually I thought this response was really quick...thank you!

[@VeganV5912]

Pus 🥛🔴🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮....

[@SolarScion]

Kurtzgesagt has been on my shit list ever since their meat video. Their presentation style of "Here's a few facts that show why this is irrefutably an awful system that should be completely rethought.... But here's a summary and prepackaged takeaway so you don't have to think for yourself that uses wishy washy pseudo examples and bad reasoning to set you at ease and not challenge anything about the way you live your life." The effect is "THE HOUSE IS ON FIRE... Nothing to see here, go about your day".

[@darthvader5514]

They should stick to space.

[@RTMarx]

I think it's the need to seem balanced and nuanced, but unfortunately for topics that involve animal exploitation I really don't think it's suitable to nuance it with "positive" arguments as well. Imagine if we did the same when talking about slavery of humans. "yeah this and this is bad, but studies show that the families they serve benefit from it in this and this way"

[@peanutkaboom6004]

what a great name also, agreed

[@AB-ft7ng]

Didn’t they also confirm they were doing a vegan video after releasing the meat one? Although honestly with their record I’m not sure that would be a good thing

[@GeddyRC]

Slothy Llama this is a perfect example. “So at the end of the day, slavery is bad for slaves, but we must not forget how beneficial it is for all the slave owners to have work for free.” I cannot see how the two are at all different.

[@rainbowsprinkles3122]

Thank you Mic for another video!!

[@travisw.5116]

Cows are really sweet curious creatures. They are basically giant dogs. Spend some time with a cow at a sanctuary sometime.

[@CocoaPuffss]

I would really love to, but until now i haven't found one. The only way i interact with cows once in a while is, sadly, walking at fenced areas where cows graze. But their milk cows so it's not very pretty (huge, HUGE modified veiny utters with no calfs is sight) They are fun, curious creatures tho. And oh so cute :) Just this one time i regret going there because here there are big graze lands but not a single tree. So in the summer it was about 35 degrees celcius and they were all panting and drooling from the heat. They somehow made a mud pool and stood with their front legs in it. They couldn't go inside anywhere or anything. But 'they have a good life. The farmer cares because they get to graze. Amazing how they get to do the bare minimum for a quality life'

[@alexh349]

@@CocoaPuffss Out west there are no barns in sight no humans just cows everywhere with a fence around them. *BUT THE WEST HAS NO TREES EITHER WAY*

[@alexh349]

@@CocoaPuffss Also cows can just dig under or jump over or climb or ram or smash or pull apart the lone wooden fence.

[@jackthomas1448]

I work at a ranch, and it’s harder work that you’ve ever done in your life, trust me, the cows don’t give a fuck, they’re loving life.

[@jackthomas1448]

Alex H these sure can, we had electric for a bit because the cows were taking down our shit!!

[@KnowYourProduce]

I don't even get why someone would drink milk when we have so many plant based milk options available. I personally love homemade oat milk. 😊 Cow milk is meant to help a baby cow grow into a HUGE cow. 😳

[@Mzkandy94]

Know Your Produce because plant milk doesn’t taste right. Doesn’t taste like regular milk whatsoever. That’s why

[@RalphRoberts1]

Unfortunately too many people believe the dairy industry's bs propaganda. Also they try a plant based milk and it's just tooooo different for them to even give it a 2nd try or look into another kind they may really like. Initially I didn't care for soy or almond milk. If they made a plant based milk 100% like cow's milk, I'd prefer the almond and soy

[@KnowYourProduce]

@@Mzkandy94 have you tried making it? I know many like oatly and milkadamia. 😊

[@Toast248]

@@Mzkandy94 There's many options when it comes to plant based milk. Almond milk is great for example.

[@ReluctantWarrior]

@@Mzkandy94 Aye, it tastes better than bovine breast milk.

[@hiutale]

"You do not need to drink milk to be healthy. 🥴 You do not need to drink milk to be healthy. 🤪You do not need to drink milk to be healthy. 🥰🥴" Can someone please make it into a looping videoclip?

[@FloydFreud]

Vegan Footsoldier will do that to a glitch beat.

[@cunning-stunt]

Footsoldier

[@cunning-stunt]

@@FloydFreud Is he back under that name again? He changed it to footsoldier a while back.

[@froesesp]

You need to drink milk to be unhealthy.

[@FloydFreud]

@@froesesp, not true, but it certainly helps.

[@fuzzyherbivore193]

It's funny (except it's not) how well the "don't worry about cholesterol"-myth is holding up here in Germany. Last year a dietician actually told me that in all seriousness, claiming that only the hydrogenated plant-fats are bad for the cardiovascular system. I also hate that most (not all, Niko Rittenau is a notable exception) German-speaking KZbinrs that dive into health aspects come to the "everything in moderation" conclusion. All that matters is that it's still EVERYTHING... we're too fucking spoilt.

[@ftyiogtyre7769]

Wellness Path For Me lol big pharma new, you dense muppet.

[@wellnesspathforme6236]

@@ftyiogtyre7769 "Big Pharma new.". Actually it is old, and your point is unintelligible. Did your emotions take over and control you so that you became unintelligible?

[@ooo789456123]

I agree and one reason is that in Germany the "Gesellschaft für Ernährung", which makes the official dietary recommendations, is an animal industry controlled organisation, similar to the USDA

[@wellnesspathforme6236]

@@ooo789456123 I'd go several steps above that. Anyone make it important societal decisions is ultimately controlled by the people who control the money system, and controlled so as to shut their agenda. It makes sense that one of their goals is "full spectrum dominance.". Vladimir Lenin said, "the best way to control the opposition is to lead it." Caveat emptor.

[@ooo789456123]

@@wellnesspathforme6236 please check the facts on cholesterol: kzbin.info/www/bejne/roKyiZWolKaVhcU

[@kreassiva9138]

I love how you went super obvious and pointed out every single detail of your claims so they dont come with stupid claims like "cigarretes are different from milk" as if we didnt know

[@davidcopperfield2278]

but depending on the aspect, cigarretes aren't different from milk -.-

[@kurzgesagt]

We responded in a comment and here: sites.google.com/view/micthevegansourcescommentary/startseite?authuser=1

[@user-cv4bl3oz5n]

Lol you have to or people will grab onto the tiniest details to throw a fit about 😜

[@anyoneatall3488]

@@kurzgesagt are you sure you are right?

[@FunkeyPhysicsMonkey]

@@kurzgesagt I read most of your responses and read your conclusion. From my understanding, it appears that you are setting a very high bar by only looking for casual studies when, as you point out, this is very hard when nutrition is so complex. When it comes to practical advice, we don't always have that luxury and correlation studies are very important in providing guidance where we would otherwise not have any. To neglect those correlations without at least some theoretical justification for it (such as fat swapping where if people are not consuming dairy, in the global north, where most nutritional studies focus on, then they are likely eating more meat), then you would be just ignoring data that, in this case, does not fit your world view. Just because there is no causal evidence (that you could find at least), does not mean there is no strong cause for concern (based on the data you have).

[@RunningIntoMyself]

Dairy is scary. Just ask the baby calf that calf skin leather is made from. Cruel and unnecessary.

[@Codswallop58]

I hear that veal is unhealthy for calves too. But that's probably just correlation.

[@RunningIntoMyself]

Marko Pollo Yeah, they secretly love it.

[@USUG0]

tell that to all the living plants you mercilessly kill every day. You soulless killing monster!

[@itscfh-ct7513]

USugo You don’t eat plants?

[@RunningIntoMyself]

USugo So original, I’ve never heard this nonsense before 🙄

[@davidsgardell]

15:19 I was diagnosed with MS in 2000, during the years as a ovo *lacto* vegetarian. I have now been vegan for 15 years, don’t take medication and haven’t had a single symptom to date. I heard about the connection between dairy protein and MS a few years ago. Interesting stuff!

[@oscarcat1231]

That’s great. How are you now?

[@joeblack4026]

we have epidemic of young girls starting their period too soon because of milk.

[@cassieking1144]

I agree I started mine at 8 years old, I was extremely over weight, back and forth to hospitals because of the pain each month.. Basically it was that bad that I was prescribed the contraceptive pill at the age of 10 to try and control things. Since turning vegan all of these issues as well as the rest are history... Consuming animal products causes so many issues to our body's.. Instead of "fixing" the issues with pills and medicines, we should listen to our body's and do what's right for both us and animals 💚🌿

[@marley7659]

I started mine at 11 with severe period pain and bleeding. I am still feeling the effects of this on my body. Thankfully, almost 4 years vegan and I am finally starting to see a reduction of pain. Practically zero on some periods which is insane for me.

[@banishedfromthedwarfplanet530]

Early menses is not caused by milk. That's a preposterous claim. It's cause by many factors, the most important of which is the tremendous increase in the use of plastics and the BPA used in plastic to keep it pliable. BPA mimics female hormones and has been implicated in early menstruation in girls. The consumption of processed carbohydrates is another huge factor regarding this problem. High levels of insulin caused by eating refined carbs throw the hormonal balance of people all out of wack, and that in turn causes all kinds of metabolic problems, including early puberty in girls and low sperm counts in men. Add unhealthful fats into the mix and you have the real cause. The Masai tribe in Africa eats little else but cow blood and milk mixed together and the average age of girls beginning menstruation is around 15 or16 years of age. Explain that.

[@banishedfromthedwarfplanet530]

Frej A.> You can assume any nonsense you want, but that doesn't change the fact you don't know what you're talking about. I did not "fly around" the link between obesity and early puberty. What do you think is a major cause of obesity? Yes, it's BPA in plastic and the consumption of processed carbs that throw off hormonal balance, so your argument was phony and lacking in common knowledge. I guess you are not familiar with the fact that excess estrogen is a major cause of obesity. I just assumed anyone reading my post would be knowledgeable enough to know about the link between BPA in plastics and processed carbs and being overweight. But you come along and make yourself look dumb. The Masai, who drink milk by the gallon, don't die from degenerative diseases. They die from communicable bacterial and viral infections, and injury from their strenuous lifestyle. Cancer is almost unheard of among them, and, as I said, the girls don't have early puberty problems. Any more straw man arguments you want to throw at me?

[@joeblack4026]

@@banishedfromthedwarfplanet530 Sry my bet , its not just milk, its animal protein in general. That has the strongest link .. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22364156 www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22419724

[@fenysnake]

Hi Mic, i quit dairy/meat for possible links to various brain disorders, and a side effect has been less cramps, acne, and bloat during my period. Just anecdotal... Thank you for the video 🖖

[@VoodooStyx]

Me too! Been vegan two months and my most recent period was the only one I've EVER had ever since I started getting them at 13 for which I didn't need to take pain medication. I am sooooo pleased to be freed from cramps.

[@GlitteringFishscale]

I don't know. I am not a vegan but a vegetarian and I drink a cup of milk everyday. I am perfectly fine

[@VoodooStyx]

@@GlitteringFishscale just because drinking milk doesn't give you really bad period pain doesn't mean that you wouldn't have less period pain if you stopped drinking milk. Also even if you didn't experience any change in period pain, that doesn't invalidate the experiences had by me and Maria. I've heart many many testimonials from people who had experienced reduced period pain after cutting out dairy. It might not be necessary for everyone, but for people who are looking for a way to reduce period pain, it could be good advice.

[@GlitteringFishscale]

@@VoodooStyx I know it's different for everyone.

[@robinjames7967]

you and a million others having the same benefits.. hmmm

[@wayofthenamekian]

People flip out when I say I wanna try some of these vegan friendly type foods, I'm not a vegan but lots of what I've read and watch has me like looks good to eat. But man ol man people give you this look like oh my gosh are you vegan like it's a sin. Whats with all the hate for vegans or vegetarians?

[@kevinpatrickcarey3741]

i dont know could be the all the protests and whinning and acting sanctimonious and smug and the endless virtue signalling and trying to force the entire world to give up meat by banning it...just a few reasons maybe?

[@ASaucyFella]

@@kevinpatrickcarey3741 if you looked around and saw the COMPLETELY UNNECCESSARY torture and death of billions of sentient beings every year, would you sit in silence?

[@VoodooStyx]

I read a good article about this. Basically people feel guilty about eating meat when vegans are around, and that makes them defensive. When vegans aren't there, they're in the comfortable 'mainstream diet' category. As soon as a vegan shows up they're pushed into the uncomfortable 'meat eater' category where they're forced to acknowledge the inconsistency between most people's claims to love animals and the fact that they eat meat. That makes them upset, so they blame the vegans for being too preachy to make themselves feel better.

[@wayofthenamekian]

@@VoodooStyx Thanks I feel relief now knowing whats up with some of the meatheads.

[@mikeg8276]

Don’t listen to them. Try out some vegan foods and see what you like! It can be impossible burgers, but it can also be as simple as bean chili and toast or crackers, chickpea salad with vinaigrette, a bagel with earth balance or hummus, a PB&J, or even just some peanut butter and crackers! You can get as fancy or as easy as you like.

[@cannycannon6168]

Looking at the comments. Guessing most of these people are vegans

[@farginargle]

7:23 they say, 'milk is complicated'. Only if you want it to be. I made it complicated for awhile, because I wanted it to be okay to consume from animals. The fact is simple. It's not okay.

[@blackout2430]

Why

[@blackout2430]

What if it’s non-homogenized?

[@bethanyday3471]

@@blackout2430 homgenization has nothing to do with why milk is bad, for that matter homogenization kills many of the bacteria and makes the milk more shelf stable. milk is bad because of the million reasons that were stated in the video.

[@TammyD247]

@@bethanyday3471 You're thinking of pasteurized milk. Cows milk separates from the fat and is like skim milk as it's very watery. Homogenization forces the fat into the milk and creates a liquid more like goat's milk which is naturally homogenized.

[@blackout2430]

Tammy D yea so do you think it’s still not healthy? I drink non homogenized and feel fine. Any other milk has given me negative side effects

[@davidd7323]

I’m really glad you’re here to double check videos like that in such depth - I liked the Kurzgesagt video, but I found a number of their claims fairly unlikely...

[@TheLaly37]

I unsubscribe after their meat video. I when I got recommend the milk one I knew it was going to be bias

[@kurzgesagt]

We responded in a comment and here: sites.google.com/view/micthevegansourcescommentary/startseite?authuser=1

[@jkrenee]

@@kurzgesagt the fact that you've responded so often in this video tells me that you don't handle criticism well. Not a good look.

[@TheInstaShark]

@@jkrenee Or that they are adding to the argument/conversation to clarify some points. Perhaps you should look into it before throwing up your protective bias shield.

[@ITryToLookLikeYou]

@@jkrenee apparently, defending your arguments equals to not handling criticism well

[@buzz10014]

wow. crushed it! thank you for your response video. applause!!!!

[@greenmagic8ball198]

Very disappointed with Kurzgesagt and their quasi-broscience.

[@aardappelmethoed1151]

Oh yeah because is imbedded in our culture you can generalize the hell out of some KZbinrs. Okay, then imma say all vegans have vitamin deficient because some do.

[@AnimalEmancipation]

While German culture is heavy in meat there is also a huge vegan/vegetarian community in Germany, one of the biggest veggie populations in Europe

[@pjryan37]

@Citizenthirteen your a piece of shit, ok?

[@kurzgesagt]

We responded in a comment and here: sites.google.com/view/micthevegansourcescommentary/startseite?authuser=1

[@ThePandababy13]

@Citizenthirteen funny to read that. It's partly true, it is part of our culture, but when you look over to America for example, it's way worse there

[@missinglink_eth]

Been waiting for this response video 🌱🔥

[@shadycatz85]

I remember hearing even as a kid, studies on the news about how hormones in milk and chicken are linked to why girls are starting menstruation earlier and earlier. Of course, not being underweight and malnourished helps, but the ages that girls are now having them (as early as 9-10) are detrimental to evolution and survival as their bodies and minds are nowhere near ready for sex and pregnancy and birth. I wonder if there's any studies done on nations with high milk/animal product consumption vs low consumption nations and when girls on average have their menarche. I wouldn't be surprised if it starts in western countries much earlier than in, say, middle eastern and south Aidan countries (I would say East Asian as well but they have started their massive meat phase due to westernization and wealth).

[@Bloxeh]

I remember there was a chapter on exactly that topic in "The China Study" (Dr. Campbell). It's been a while that I read it, but I think it said that in rural China young women get their menstruation at an average age of 19 and they have the meno pause earlier aswell. Therefore they produce a lot less eggs in their life, which is good. I also remember a topic on the development of diabetes T1 in children and associations with dairy consumption. I think I might need to read it again.

[@NinjaSanjay]

Hormones in feedlot milk. Not grass fed. But you don’t care of course fucking vegan plonker . Have fun chugging down phytoestrogens

[@davidwilliams9386]

@@NinjaSanjay theres tons of estrogen no matter what the cow eats you dipshit lol and phytoestrogens are protective and have no effect on male hormones, post the link to the science that states otherwise plz

[@-._.-KRiS-._.-]

Just because you get your period doesn't mean you have to start having sex.

[@tashapie3711]

Scremqueen Supreme we have been drinking milk for more than 5,000 years, why is it now causing female to age earlier?

[@lequadone]

Off topic but I have to share this. Doc Josh Axe got debunked at The Real Truth About Health conférence a couple days ago 😂

[@ooo789456123]

Link please, thanks

[@ccolorsplit]

Link?

[@lequadone]

@@ccolorsplit there is no link I can send to you Owen. I heard it during the panel of day 8 of The Real Truth About Health conference in New York. I do have it on video.

[@Kitty-hb3he]

Sadly, does "debunking" mean much these days, though?

[@lequadone]

@@ooo789456123 There's no link. It was a 10 day live conference. I did record it though

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

My previous comments were deleted/blocked. Ok. Not yer mum, not yer milk.

[@MictheVegan]

It's a conspiracy! Naw it probably triggered some spam filter.

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

@@MictheVegan thank you my friend. Keep up the good work.

[@Wearephuct-O]

@@MictheVegan Sperm Filter

[@pohu9266]

Make a good t-shirt......

[@someguy2135]

@@Wearephuct-O No, that would be a condom.

[@sac1303]

Kurzgesagt needs to read Colin T Campbell's "The China Study" for bone fide research on the impact of milk and other animal foods on human health. Thanks for skilfully refuting the claims Kurzgesagt made.

[@SupermotoZach]

Did kurzgesagt delete their comment?

[@LazyEinstein]

I can't find it.

[@NguyenMinh792]

No, it’s still there

[@basilechatelain965]

Of all the industries, the dairy one is the most horrific, that should be enough for everybody, even if it was good for health

[@V_Deity]

Kurzgesagt.. Just stop making nutrition videos pleeaase.

[@vietnamd0820]

Vegan Deity Or Kurzgesagt could make nutrition videos with more accuracy

[@SylvanasWindrunnerResurrected]

It's so biased it couldn't have happened by accident. They have several well educated people studying the topics before they put a video together. It really shines badly on them and makes you doubt everything else they shit out.

[@Cobalt_drakeru]

@@SylvanasWindrunnerResurrected you shouldn't believe anything on the internet..think critically at all times

[@dagowow]

@@Cobalt_drakeru what a pointless statement. Every piece of credibility you draw nowadays comes from the internet. If you didn't mean the internet specifically, it's still a pointless statement due to you HAVING TO BELIEVE meta analysis you (the royal you) do not grasp as an individual.

[@Dindonmasker]

I think it's still good that they do it since some people will go deeper in the subjects or just be disgusted by the ethics behind those industries.

[@mrs.sarahwilson667]

I stopped drinking milk about 4 months ago, after giving it up for 21 days. I had milk in the 22nd day & felt like crap. I have noticed a lot of changes in my body, the #1 big surprise, my periods are lighter. I'm over weight & mother of 2, I have anemia from my very heavy periods. I'm feeling much more confidence in my health & reaching menopause in a healthy natural way. My son who has been a vegan for a year & a half has changed my views on eating. Also, I've dropped 10 lbs from cutting out all dairy. 👍

[@DX-d]

Why go the extremes?

[@chiro-quack-tor2108]

Milk is trash

[@HeyHey-ms3oh]

When I was younger I was always uncomfortable with my weight and my skin. I consumed a lot of dairy products and some meat products. I was bulimic for 2 years and also starved myself to lose weight. I became underweight during this time and no one seemed to care or notice. I’ve been vegan for 3 years now and my skin is clear and I love the way I look and everyone is always pestering me about how unhealthy my diet is, when this is the healthiest I have ever been. It made me realised that no one really cared/cares about my health, they just don’t like veganism. I’ve also had a lot more criticism from people about my vegan diet than about my excessive smoking and drinking habit (both of which I have significantly cut down to just occasions). I also still get criticised about my diet by people who still smoke and drink.

[@celestialcow]

I saw Dr Gregors vid on infertility in women from dairy consumption just this month, so it made me so mad when i saw this kurzgesagt video because of their sources and claims which gives a message that its ok to drink milk except the effect on environment and animal welfare but otherwise drink milk you'll be fine 😡

[@haley2918]

I’m not, nor will I likely ever be, convinced dairy is remotely a health food. Since I’ve cut out dairy (and meat), my skin has cleared up, I don’t get cystic acne anymore, it’s incredibly easy to maintain a healthy weight, and I can breathe so much better (dairy can cause sinus problems in some people). Not to mention my mood swings/anxiety has gone down to nearly zero. Besides, why bother with dairy when healthier substitutes are so easy to come by? And even if you can’t find many substitutes, why is it so necessary to you? Eating a specific food, such as cheese or yogurt or whatever, isn’t everything.

[@gabbechico8471]

anekdot

[@advaitpai1615]

Lol

[@gabbechico8471]

@@advaitpai1615 that is what vegans says. Lol them

[@haley2918]

ok

[@AQWVegeto]

@Lewis Blanchard You didn't do it right, that's it. Something went wrong somewhere I promise

[@SoundboundOfficial]

Thanks, and we'll get back to you once you release your "I'm giving up veganism" video. It's not an "if" but a "when" question, and you know it.

[@queline6998]

I find it incredible that so many people don't know that icecream, cottage cheese, cheese, yogurt, milk chocolate, milk ingredients...ect are made from cow milk. Salt and vinegar chips even have dairy in them, gross hey. The dairy industry has deals made with ever side of the food products we consume.

[@Erlrantandrage]

Queline damn salt and vinegar chips! Yeesh!

[@synsynsy]

its the other way around. dairy is soooo good that everyone wants to put it in their product.

[@PherPhur]

@@synsynsy Yep, just some supernormal stimuli at play here.

[@user-cv4bl3oz5n]

I am soo happy you did this video. I felt the video totally missed some points so I’m glad you addressed it.

[@annak1371]

Love this video. I love it when you debunk other videos and back it up.

[@LeroyVGANG]

At the very least, the video sort of planted a seed on the ethical implications of milk consumption despite its seemingly "unbiased" portrayal of its health effects. Unfortunately, most of the audience will probably just not give a damn and continue breathing cheese and dairy. But those who care about ethics but weren't aware of the ethical implications would likely think more deeply about the matter. Hopefully.

[@hiutale]

I saw their video today, so I was already waiting for your response! Bring it on!! ^^

[@kurzgesagt]

We responded in a comment and here: sites.google.com/view/micthevegansourcescommentary/startseite?authuser=1

[@raffaelvis]

@@kurzgesagt wow...was about to remove my subscription to your channel until I saw your detailed and fact and studies based response. Much appreciated

[@philipeick-vocalmusic]

The work you're doing is so important! Thanks and keep on demystifying!

[@Nick_Lyston]

I like how you included the whole clip (16:45) where they said milk was “basically torture.” Combine that with “you do not need to drink milk to be healthy” (11:17) and I fail to see how they can conclude “milk is complicated.” The only thing complicated is the mental gymnastics required to find the conclusion from their own statements complicated.

[@deepakhiranandani6488]

Well said. That's the only thing complicated. 😊

[@ameliap0ndd]

kursgesagt tries to look at it from a balanced perspective, the complex part is that billions of people drink this stuff and it is intertwined into our culture and history, to ignore that is almost disrespectful to human progression and culture. Asking billions of people to suddenly stop a centuries long tradition is difficult, despite the torture, rape and murder that comes with it, it is almost impossible in our current world where the majority don't have the privilege that we have to choose what they get to eat/drink. I believe that is why they approach it from a nuanced, subtle way, rather than choosing one side and only showing that

[@Nick_Lyston]

@ameliap0ndd Well, I think presenting nuance can be more persuasive, so if they are all secretly vegan using this as a technique designed to patronize the plebeian masses I suppose I cannot object. That said, your explanation IS complex, speaking more to the complex psychology of moral rationalization rather than moral reasoning grounded in logic and introspection. The moral conclusion itself remains simple, a young child could comprehend it. If something is unnecessary. and inflicts torture on another, you shouldn’t do it. Also, beware of using the word privilege to justify the immoral behavior of others. Lack of privilege is not a blank check to murder, even if it might mitigate the harshness of the condemnation. And certainly, no group is less privileged than these farm animals, so to allow the comparatively more privileged to exploit them to death, and to use this as justification for the most privileged to do likewise obviates your entire position. It is a snake eating its own tail.

[@Nick_Lyston]

And to add one more thing, it is patronizing to imply that more traditional cultures lack the capacity to comprehend and evolve their practices to comply with basic principles of justice, ones that even young children (of all cultures) immediately grasp. The only way we can achieve universal respect and a post-racial global society it to hold everyone up to a basic standard of fairness and universal accountability.

[@AnEnemyAnemone1]

If you’re being sincere, you have to be pretty dumb not to conceive of how people can have a morally consistent position that drinking milk is okay.

[@ThePamgauti]

My asthma cured after actually respecting animals for a year or maybe earlier, also allergies went away. So makes sense for breathing

[@dianasthings729]

My IBS is so much better off dairy.

[@carwynnott413]

Same with my Ashma and Ezma

[@ThePamgauti]

Honey May yay!!!!!!! I’m so happy for you. It’s truly an accomplishment, something we should get together and CELEBRATE.

[@ThePamgauti]

carwyn nott let’s celebrate because you’ve done something FANTASTIC for yourself!!!! Woooo!!!!! Keep it up!!!

[@soyslut]

Why is vegan in quotes?

[@clope24]

I appreciate both kurzgesagt and your contribution to these very important topics. I saw kurzgesagt's video before I saw your response and was surprised at their health risk conclusion. Thanks for spending time on complementing their work.

[@ShadowZZZ]

"Dairy is scary" ... this 5 minute video is all thats needed to watch on the topic of milk...

[@Wearephuct-O]

Joey posted a great one today. "Februscary"

[@MasterNeiXD]

Great video. Very thorough. I knew they were being too easy on milk. I hope they make some sort of statement about "forgetting" the high saturated far contents of milk and dairy.

[@arjunkrishnadas]

Very much appreciate the fantastic work that who have been doing for our fellow beings. Thank you so much for taking up this cause.🙏🙏

[@arthursnoeck]

I just got a question about the hormone intake through milk vs pill. You say milk contains 1% of the hormone amount compared to the pill, which I understand. But even though it contains 1%, isn't most of it destroyed in our stomach? As they quote in the Kurzgesagt video. I thought most birth control pills are coated, so it doesn't get destroyed by the low pH. (Asking this purely out of curiosity, a friendly 'no' with some info if I am wrong would be much appreciated)

[@notyourdad]

"Causally associated" - Either it's causal or there is an association. - it can't be both, in this case it's associated and has not been shown to be causal.

[@peterdreck8446]

The word association is used in more ways than one might think. You can also translate it with "link" or "connection". Meaning "statistical connection" when saying association is slang.

[@notyourdad]

@@peterdreck8446 Sure, a link or connection still doesn't show causation. If there was a study showing a causal relationship the word association would not be needed.

[@peterdreck8446]

@@notyourdad Your understanding only covers one part of the words meaning. Association is a synonym for "link". Used alone it doesnt say anything about the kind of connection. This connection/association can be statistical or causal. Here an example for the common use of "causal association": link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-94-009-6283-5_12

[@davidcopperfield2278]

and not feel what it is like to be a law student, where every fucking single one of them ( laws ) contradicts the other !!!

[@kaffeekuchen1929]

In a nutshell, Kurzgesagt is becoming intolerable.

[@shannonweymark2308]

Omg yes. I was really hoping you would respond to this!!

[@LevelUpWellness]

Recently did a response to this video on my channel as well. I feel like overall it will get people to think about their actions, but there is definitely some important things they left out of discussion. #plantpower 🥦🍎💪🏼

[@nmhunter8758]

Thanks for commenting! Will be checking out your channel now when I next can ✌💚

[@LevelUpWellness]

Nm Hunter Thanks my friend! Hope you enjoy, bless up 😄🙏🏼🍎🥦

[@sharit7970]

Great job, Mic...thanks for doing the research and posting!

[@WilliamThePayne]

I've stopped watching their channel. So many of their videos have errors in that often just conveniently reinforce societies bad habits.

[@SolarScion]

Same. It's terrible how insidious the appearance of competence is along with the Dunning-Kreuger Effect.

[@kurzgesagt]

We responded in a comment and here: sites.google.com/view/micthevegansourcescommentary/startseite?authuser=1

[@greenmustard493]

Kurzgesagt - In a Nutshell oh shoot it’s you

[@ekay4495]

@@kurzgesagt I guess you take criticism seriously

[@aaeraag5724]

@@kurzgesagt I actually read your sources, holy crap this video is completely wrong. Talk about a vegan agenda.

[@dagowow]

hey, your pronounciation of Kurzgesagt is pretty much on point by now :-)

[@solkun8316]

Could you please make a video on Eurasian diet. I am kazak (Kazakstan) and our traditional diet consists entirely of animal products: all meat including all organs; plethora of dairy products. We are told that we've evolved to eat meat bc we are kazaks, nomads. I am really curious how have we been surviving this long. Have we been super sick all our history? I've been vegan for more than two years but still find it difficult to debate with kazaks and other ethnicities of Eurasia since our diets are similar

[@mikejones1141979]

Milk it doesn’t a body good!!!

[@stephss]

Do you think that maybe #februdairy has anything to do with the timing of their video?

[@harmeharkhanna4225]

I knew this was gonna happen.

[@harmeharkhanna4225]

@Lewis Blanchard And you do? Instead of making blanketed criticisms, get to the substance of what you're talking about. What specific instances within the video are you referring to and why.

[@wellnesspathforme6236]

Hi Mike, "milk" is not a monolithic entity. Pretending like it is doesn't make it so. Organic milk is different than pasteurized. Non-homogenized is different than homogenized. Raw milk is different from processed milk. Unfortified milk is different than fortified milk Until we properly define terms, the results can be extremely misleading.

[@wellnesspathforme6236]

@James Asper Raw milk isn't unsafe (people drank it for probably thousands of years!), raw milk that is contaminated is unsafe. I'm not promoting it or criticizing it, I'm just asking for properly defined terms.

[@ethicalrevolution3294]

Amazing job! I have a few of those studies I use, but you have so many more great studies I never knew about! Thanks!

[@braziliandutchy6170]

One of my friends told me one Kurzgesagt video talked about. how the production of certain plant foods are way more taxing on the enviroment than raising cattle for meat... he said a video said that Amonds for example use 10 times more water... I find that hard to believe.

[@owenywang]

Your friend is clearly an illiterate pro-vegan ignoramus who spreads false information to idiots like you.

[@RTMarx]

Kurzgesagt means "shortly - said" if translated directly. I was confused for a moment lol, but yeah basically "in a nutshell". Thanks for a great video!

[@NguyenMinh792]

Which means they explain their points briefly, and sometimes they don’t mention your opinions which you think it’s necessary because of the nature of their videos

[@gibsonflyingv2820]

The debunking of all these points is made clear is kurzegasts link he posted below. Which mic deletes because his little ego can’t handle being proven wrong.

[@SubhajitM]

Waiting for this! Woohoo.

[@Wearephuct-O]

2:59 Sixty eight, or 1.68 Thanks for all the links! "How did his heir ghet even messier?" 9:35 Pre-baby Mic is so cute "Februscary"

[@HannesDroid]

Thank you soooo much for this video Mic! I'm from Germany and also saw the Kurzgesagt video some weeks ago. I was really surprised about them being correct about the animals and the environment, but then almost completely fail with the health aspect.

[@raykings5244]

Except they didn't fail. Look at the kurzgesagt link in comments which literally decimate every argument this guy had.

[@jorgecapitao1435]

​@@raykings5244 They guy is so arrogabt he didn't wven pin the comment

[@cquinnvegan3602]

I got my period at 9... wish my parents knew. Good job mic! Love your videos! Sorting the trash as usual! Xx

[@vampcell]

bruh calcium gang 😳😳😳😳😳

[@peterdroubay4652]

the dead bacteria in milk is extensive; this lipopolysaccharides, parts of dead bacteria, get taken up by lipid carriers in the blood; and when such lipid particles get into subendothelial area, it attracts monocytes to come ingest it and aggravates atherosclerosis; see Rhonda Patrick's video on this

[@franzila8743]

I‘ve watched the Kurzgesagt video and just thought, it‘be great if you made a response - so thanks 😊

[@kurzgesagt]

We responded in a comment and here: sites.google.com/view/micthevegansourcescommentary/startseite?authuser=1

[@LiberacionIgualdad]

This one was very informative and particularly funny. :D Thanks, Mic!

[@salujathustra9905]

No other species has been more artistically cruel than us sapiens.

[@animeuniverse5586]

well then stop using wood products since u like being vegan and living in house since many other animals have lost their habitat coz of u living in there

[@someguy2135]

@@animeuniverse5586 Vegans do not claim to be perfect. We try to minimize animal suffering, as opposed to assuming anyone can eliminate it. Here is a copy and paste from the Vegan Society web site: ""A philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude-as far as is possible and practicable-all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." The key words are "try" and "practicable." As with having a zero carbon footprint, it is also impossible to cause zero animal suffering.

[@zain4019]

Anime Universe Our very existence means we use resources that may otherwise have been used by another animal. We have an impact in the very act of being.

[@salujathustra9905]

@@animeuniverse5586 Given your impatience and desperate attempt at being relevant you didn't even realize, nor seem to have the brain cells to comprehend that I haven't excluded myself or any vegan in saying 'us sapiens'? How do you know about my housing, where do I live and what I live for, or you are just a pathetic machine, who is fed on some data disseminated among the coterie of prejudiced and self-proclaimed articulated people sharing the same rotten thought pattern which reeks of ignorance, and sprout it out at all the people who doesn't align with your pathetic worldview? Please do go ahead, rip animals apart, their screams for life be the music for ears, I don't give a damn about that, but how do you justify killing someone in the name of 'essential amino acids and nutrient' when an ox can munch on grass and be the most muscular beast? Your body is more intelligent than you give it credit for. It knows what it needs, what is required and how to extract it out from your food. Your body is alive, but your mind is dead, because it works on the dead experience of the past, and you are never gonna be conscious of its vast intelligence. What gives you an existence and identity is the knowledge that is being dumped in you through corporate funded science and culture. You food habit are the result of addiction, which keeps sustain these million-billion dollar industries. 'You are my creator, but I'm your master -- Obey!' If you could give yourself a chance, you would be surprised to know how much food body actually needs for its survival! Seriously, do you ever question everything?

[@Biolo-G_KJ]

@@animeuniverse5586 I study Nature Conservation and I work alot with woods and trees. And a wooden house is way better then a stone house.... In order to make a stone house you need to destroy alot more then for wood. Most wood comes from human planted consumption forests.

[@dawitmengistu5518]

Hi Mic, right to the point. Great job. The TRUTH be told! Thanks again and greetings from Ethiopia.

[@Dominus_Augustus]

I think they may have been trying to be as neutral as possible, like to please everyone. That's pandering, though

[@avinashtyagi2]

I lost it at your impression of Kurzgesagt, I loved that so much

[@12q8]

Their first meta-analysis they cite in the video and they didn't read past the headline? Lmao. How do they suck so much at what they make their living out of?

[@someguy2135]

Like Mic implied- They are so popular because of their animation; not their accuracy.

[@kurzgesagt]

We responded in a comment and here: sites.google.com/view/micthevegansourcescommentary/startseite?authuser=1

[@MarimbaMaurice]

Actually Mic seems to not have read the conclusion of the study. Lmao ;)

[@bored-talentless]

Kurzgesagt - In a Nutshell thank you!! I agree with your findings I stop watching mic long ago because he is really bad about cherry picking!

[@FKBUSH1]

@@kurzgesagt It didn't help you 🤨

[@kreassiva9138]

Remember that s bird eating vegan protein dying and a another one eating animal protein getting jacked is not bias...

[@lchameleon]

Or the first imagery where the pro dairy side is riding horses all heroic style while the con side is literally riding the cancer in that hellish environment. Totally neutral

[@V_Deity]

_biass.._

[@kreassiva9138]

@@V_Deity double s?

[@V_Deity]

@@kreassiva9138 bi-ass

[@OfficialEDirty]

So basically what you're saying is "you're not a baby cow bro!" Lol

[@ngandang96]

I think milk is most important for children, and maybe ppl who has certain health weaknesses that might need it to consume nutrition, like my grandmother, she cant eat much and if she doesnt consume she would feel feeble all the time

[@smudge8882]

There is no such health condition that requires milk intake specifically. If your grandmother feels feeble without it, that's likely because it's either her only source of calcium or it makes up a substantial portion of her protein intake. If she doesn't replace the milk with something that has a similar nutrition profile, she would end up malnourished.

[@ngandang96]

@@smudge8882 True thats pretty much her sole intake of nutrients. It is the Ensure milk and a colostrum milk, they pretty much contains all kinds of nutrients. I also feel sorry for her, since shes a picky eater and the helper cannot cook soft delicious food for a picky eating elder like her, she cannot eat much so yeah she has to take nutrients from supplements and milk a alot, and these things have saved her since they are all the quality stuff. Thk u for your comment, u remind me that nothing is better than eating well, coincidentally as u telling me this my grandma is in the hospital for not being able to eat well for one month, she lost weight and has become tired. I think I will learn more recipes and try to cook for her or instruct the helper, am sad the helper is quite a lazy one and she arent really considerate in cooking, but I will make this serious

[@jordanielmills]

I am so so thankful for this information. I was really confused by their reasoning as well and didn't understand why they didn't have a clear plea to people to stop or at least limit their intake of dairy products. Anyway, I'm just so happy and grateful for this. Thanks and great work!!! 😁👍

[@paulpies5653]

I love that you quote your research sources. In North America, I notice that one of America's largest dairy producer filed for bankruptcy last year. Maybe a sign of things to come?

[@ethicalrevolution3294]

Dean Foods and Borden. 2 of the largest US dairies within 2 months of each other.

[@kazuoua]

*Kurzgesagt uploads a new video about nutrition* Kurzgesagt: Why do I hear boss music?

[@alexh349]

Bad meme

[@g.h7657]

@something anonymous first comment on this channel. Found a troll

[@g.h7657]

@@alexh349 anti vegan spammer. Move along troll

[@g.h7657]

Good meme 😀

[@Wormy_fren]

I follow kurzgesagt not because of these videos I follow them because of the other videos that they do.

[@FQofNambour]

@ 5:20 (approx) while discussing testicular cancer you said prostate rather than testicular. There may have been similar slip-ups. I appreciate your work and am only drawing this to your attention because I'm sure your critics will raise the issue.

[@niterider27]

Here looking for the Kursgesagt comment and can't find it. Did they delete it?

[@kevinselanafiananta1879]

They respond it with link.

[@BlurryC6165]

@Don't Eat Animals nope

[@BlurryC6165]

@Don't Eat Animals I saw their comment the day I wrote that.

[@BlurryC6165]

@Don't Eat Animals Yes, I did see it, maybe they just reposted the comment ( or put a different one)

[@BlurryC6165]

@Don't Eat Animals All I know is that I saw a comment by Kurzgesagt before I wrote the reply, I didn't bother reading it, and I don't want to have to scroll through the comments to find it again.

[@ekay4495]

I'm sure you've seen their response to all the points you brought up. It would seem your the one picking lines in studies that support your claim, yet ignore multiple that do not.

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

In about a week or so, Naturally Unvegan (Unnatural Vegan) will try to debunk Mic. Keyword: Try.

[@Wearephuct-O]

OK Baiter

[@kurzgesagt]

We responded in a comment and here: sites.google.com/view/micthevegansourcescommentary/startseite?authuser=1

[@EliseSecond]

The problem with the studies is that some look at all milk products and some don't. Also not all people eat/ drink the same products in the same amounts during different studies. Cheese and yogurt are pretty different from a glass of milk. I think that's also a reason why there is conflicting evidence. Fermentation is known to change a food a lot.

[@ccgg1129]

We’ve all been waiting for this

[@cherch4625]

Just dropping support for this video. Thanks for making response videos like these.

[@olm7080]

man i'm so sick of these half-assed propositions, you know, trying to sound sane and logical because it is some sort of murky middleground plagued with contradictions; but that resonates with most people that want to avoid extremes (as if we should be forgiving with an industry that capitalizes on malnutrition, deceit and immense suffering, -maybe some just try to avoid commitment) commenting on how persuasive these videos are i mean, you can take that middleground position to an extreme regarding on topics that should have a clear and distinct answer

[@artursverza]

I knew you were going to make this response video! A big thank you!

[@SkinnyNala]

I was always obese and got my period at 10 yrs old. Now knowing where it comes from, fu dairy. I also had hairloss since puberty and guess what, 1 month being vegan it instantly stopped. Even though I started as junk food vegan. Of course these are only anecdotes but I'd never go back to thinking I was a calf.

[@wizzy25]

Lol is the only thing I can say

[@andreazhab]

That’s a load of bullcrap 1 month being vegan doesn’t make miracles

[@obamascock2169]

Absolutely ridiculous lol Dairy doesn't make you obese. Lol its called eating in moderation.

[@CupOfSweetTea]

Totally unbiased! This is not how science is done. Actually I take that back because most medical research is poor.

[@jasondavis3774]

What turn me vegan was sources after sources and how they connect. In addition, how we are physically herbivores leaning more on starchivores... Needless to say dude, thank you, not even a full month and I feel healthier.

[@benedikth.9803]

Yeah we don’t need any animal products whatsoever but humans aren‘t herbivores.

[@aardappelmethoed1151]

humans are omnivores

[@jasondavis3774]

@@benedikth.9803 that very fact that we do not need meat and that meat is carcinogenic to humans suggest that we aren't actual omnivores, otherwise meat would actually be good for us... I know it's quite contrary to what we've been brought to believe.

[@benedikth.9803]

Jason Davis look man I’ve been vegan for years and I know where you‘re coming from. Especially in the beginning it can seem like there is endless evidence that meat/dairy is super dangerous and that we‘ve been taught lies our whole life. But please don‘t make the mistake and believe everything you read now, just like you believed everything you‘ve heard when you were smaller. The more I learn about nutrition (and I am studying nutrition science at the moment) the more I get a grasp at how complex all of this is. It‘s not black and white. Humans aren‘t carnivores and humans aren‘t herbivores. We‘re clear omnivores, or maybe even a new category (cooky-vore?) because we got used to cooked food. And I don‘t want to make a case for it, again, I’ve been vegan for more than 3 years, but eating meat doesn‘t cause diseases per se. There are countless factors - processed food, sedentary lifestyle, stress, etc.. All those play a role. You can also find studies on people on ketogenic diets (which are basically super heavy in eggs, bacon and butter) who seem to be totally healthy. Even the cholesterol topic is super complicated, it’s more than just the ldl, but rather the particle size and more factors. Also, many nutrients like heme iron, zinc, vitamin a and others are more bioavailable through animal products. Fiber (which is exclusively found in plants) can even lead to nutrients being less easily absorbed. Now, I was just playing devils advocate - just to point out that there are far better arguments in favor of veganism than health (or the myth that we‘re herbivores). Like ethics.

[@karenchapman6126]

Your videos are NEVER too long

[@RabbitFoodFitness]

Awesome video as always mic! It's good that you jumped in and covered this one because it's really interesting. Your videos are awesome and inspire me to keep posting on my channel.

[@ThomasQuanter]

Thank you for this very interesting and important video!💚

[@wylabley]

Dairy is no good, pretty much everything in dairy has a plant based alternative now so the excuse of "no replacement" isn't an excuse anymore.

[@paydmagique7303]

the fact that ppl want to replace milk says how good milk is as a product. you know how many countries exist where you cant get none of your "replacement"?. wait a few years and tehy will also find negative effects in replacements. yes there is a chance milk can have negative effects, but there are also positive effects you just ignore.

[@xFuzzyLove]

Ive seen little girls get their period at 8... i always thought it was the cows milk. I still ate cheese, and yogurt because the doctors were recommending it even though im lactose intolerant. I got my period at a normal time at 14. Im glad i didn't drink that much milk growing up. Glad to be vegan now.