Millars Tractor Spares

Drag Tractor vs Traction Engine

[@cjbalke8691]

That high-HP, streamlined modern diesel tractor never had a chance. Purely an excercise in humor.

[@MillerMeteor74]

This video is hilarious. I never get tired of watching it.

[@yoimalex]

I was at a county days last weekend, there were 5 traction engines there. I asked the owner what the torque numbers at 1 rpm of the flywheel from the steam box was. He didnt know but at 10 rpm it produced 2800 ft pounds of torque on an 18 hp 1918 case. Weight was 21,000 pounds. If you run the numbers with gearing multiplied thats over 6 times more tractive effort than a 500 hp road tractor. Very slow though.

[@Hodor_70]

I love the way the steam engine lets the john Deere have a chance and then takes control any time he wants

[@ajayrana3014]

david wardle xxx.. video

[@Bluegoose-df7if]

david wardle yep

[@gamingclipz7309]

Or the fact the only reason steam won is how they connected em

[@luca.vantstraat]

@@gamingclipz7309 c'mon man steam is just better.

[@damiencrossley7497]

New Tractor: Look at my speed ya can't touch this ! You're still just starting! Old tractor: Gimme a sec to school ya!

[@flight2k5]

its called weight :-)

[@rucarnuts13]

+flight2k5 And torque. Steam engines make immense amounts of it, and they deliver 100% of said torque at 0 RPM.

[@flight2k5]

Dr. Weird thats not true.

[@renegadeoflife87]

Old tractor: Oh you're tugging on me? That's nice, keep trying. He wasn't getting started, he had a full head of steam ready to go. At worst the engine was on top dead center and needed a push to get it started. The traction of a steam traction engine is hard to beat. That diesel didn't stand a chance.

[@flight2k5]

renegadeoflife87 i sure hope since youre such a fanboy, you farm using a steam tractor.

[@stringbean1955]

Note the angle of the connection too, which go worse as the Deere dug in. His weight was pulling the big boy down, helping him maintain traction, and the big boy was essentially lifting the Deere off it's traction patch. That, combined with the weight and torque differences ended it before it began.

[@Thaddeus3rd]

it never gets old. I watch this all the time.

[@BalticFilms144]

I've seen 1 steam tractor take out 2 diesel tractors. Goes to show the weight and the power of those old things

[@harleyinglis5360]

1:16 New tractor: But dad i dont wanna go! WAAAA!!! Old tractor: You are coming home to do your home work. New tractor: NOOOOO!!!!! *wheels spin*

[@CliffFoxKU4GW]

It takes that old steam engine a few seconds to get going, but when it does there's no stopping it!

[@bahn2452]

Title should be "How to plow using only two tractors"

[@KandiKlover]

The ole Russian plow.

[@bradleyreams1026]

WEIGHT > Steamer is WAAAAYYY heavier than the JD

[@willmatters9017]

Brad R. Pickens Has more torque as well

[@stamantheshaman]

Will Matters Brad R. Pickens and the line pulls the JD upwards and there is less friction with the ground. Thats why the JD loses(for these 3 reasons)....

[@fededevi1985]

+Will Matters I really doubt that the steam thing has more torque (at the wheel) than that tractor with the lowest gear.

[@willmatters9017]

Federico Devigili The "tractor" which i think you are talking about (John Deere) is used in tractor pulling competitions, they are geared high as shit. There is no gear as low as the traction engine.

[@zekayman]

+Federico Devigili The lower the RPM in a steam engine, the more torque it produces. At this speed, the traction engine has many times the torque of the tractor.

[@hendrikpingel4847]

to save jonnys honor: they are tied together in a way the deere is lifted a little, so the heavy steam tracktor gets even heavier...

[@ashleydemoss4609]

Bruh, the steam tractor is giant! There is no way a diesel could beat a steamer.

[@rkshireygames]

It may have less horsepower, but the torque to rpm is outstanding on those traction engines.

[@445CR]

Haha, I love when they start pulling. You can just see the drag tractor thinking "I'm winning i'm winning!....doh!...the traction engine had been put in gear yet"

[@madjimms]

Steam engines are torque MONSTERS!

[@idasmith8644]

[Nephew of Ida] I read this steam engines had 245hp, and this 1904!!!

[@BL-yj2wp]

Ida Smith It's not about the power (hp or kW) but about the torque (Nm or ft/lbs) - well, in this case traction (due to mass) is the limiting factor. But anyway, a steam tractor delivering 110hp has about 4000Nm of torque while a modern heavy farming tractor (Fendt 390) has 390hp and about 1600Nm of torque. The "John Deere" in this video is a specialized custom build vehicle for tractor pulling, has a few thousand hp and Idk how much torque.

[@srinusrinu2362]

madjimms

[@fastmail55]

Behold the Power Of Steam...

[@kolinmartz]

B L horsepower is just torque done over time. So technically is is still about power. Torque is half the equation for power.

[@Bluegoose-df7if]

Now we need a Diesel locomotive and a steam locomotive playing tug of war

[@ronanvave560]

Yes that definitely needs to be a thing!

[@Rangerdog12]

Pulling is mainly about weight so no doubt who whould win.

[@Seigin1]

torque m8 :)

[@3rdGenGuy]

18 horsepower and like 1,300 Lb-ft steam cars were nicknamed the hand of God cuz of the stupid amount of torque.

[@malvasia17]

thanks for this info

[@jaimewinter5328]

8 hp

[@rigardt548]

For all the critics, steam enjine is more than a hundred years old. Doesn't matter what the disadvantage for the JD it is very,very impressive for that beautiful old machine to live up to the challenge.

[@MrDalek2150]

Technically no the Steam Engine is over 300 years old. As the first steam engine was built in 1698 by I believe it was Thomas Savery or something like that. The Steam Locomotive is over 175 years old as the first well known one was built in 1825, Traction Engines aka the Steam powered vehicle you see here are over 100 years old as I believe the first one was built in 1900.

[@MrDalek2150]

Oh and there's Steam Ships which are about 200 years old as well, I believe.

[@cheaprushkryfialekw193]

+Rigardt Robberts THIS IS CONCRETE EVIDENCE OF THE SO CALLED "PROGRESS". THERE IS NO PROGRESS OTHER THAN THAT OF DECEPTION FOR THE SHEEPLE BEING TAXED FOR FARTING

[@NikolajHansen]

+MrDalek2150 This is a rotary type steam engine though and that was invented by James Watt. I think he patented the first one.

[@tadwyn]

+Nikolaj Hansen The traction steam engine shown is not a rotary steam engine.

[@25gwolfable]

now that's what I call using a John Deere for a rototiller

[@LortronMedia-Entertainment]

No comparison, steam has brutal power and torque. Combined with the weight of the old behemoth there would never be a chance for the John Deere even if they brought in a bigger one.

[@stacheraxel8068]

genau Top

[@hiyadroogs]

A turbocharged pro tractor like this probably develops around 800 hp. The traction engine possibly develops as much as 75 hp @ 100 rpm. Traction is of course a big factor, but even on tarmac the result would be the same. The reason is that it's very difficult to get the diesel on full boost from a standing start before the clutch goes in, while the traction engine develops peak torque from stationary. It's hard to argue with 3000 ft/lbs at the crank even before its geared 5:1 to the rear wheel.

[@islamicland1702]

The old one is a torque monster and plus point has a high weight. So, High weight and Monstrous torque make a great machine.

[@ignasanchezl]

the angle of the bar means the traction, because when it pulls it lifts the deere

[@Karsten3]

Yes. I was about to say this, but thought I'd browse through the comments first. Why are we the only ones seeing this? I agree that weight and friction are factors on this game, but the pull-off would have been more fair had the bar been horizontal. (I still think the steam engine would have won, though. Just not as easily)

[@ignasanchezl]

its the same on all videos xD

[@p3hwn1e]

And yet it digs itself into the ground..

[@megaawell]

@@p3hwn1e Yep... Think of this theory, if you took any spinning blade, and slammed it strait into the ground, it would stop.. VS taking that spinning blade, and gently let it to the earth, it would proceed to cut a hole as it micro'd its way into the dirt.

[@ericbergfield6451]

I'm sure that old engine weighs at least 3 times as much. ...Entertaining nonetheless.

[@davindersandhu985]

Acid Snow sex

[@RobertL78]

1:14 Steam engine operator: "Oh wait, let me take this thing out of neutral"

[@allischalmerswd]

This is like comparing A gear driven drill press to A belt driven one.

[@LeePresson]

Please PLEASE promise us you'll take the money you made from your 1.7 million views and buy a pro version of Movie Video Converter!

[@KandiKlover]

Or just use an open source program like VLC lmao

[@DambustaAnimations]

this made me so happy

[@cid4887]

respect your grandparent kiddo.

[@BalwantSingh-gj4qm]

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[@Bluegoose-df7if]

I will

[@PowerToolFun]

The steam tractor is toying with the drag tractor!! LOL!!

[@seppomuppit]

1 million horse power couldn't save that little tractor because of the weight disparity and the poor surface.

[@ardenblayney1324]

Actually its all about torque not horsepower.

[@jamesbuckley6483]

Arden Blayney No, it's about weight.

[@Andy-df5fj]

@@ardenblayney1324 Weight=traction without which, no amount of horsepower or torque will do any good.

[@Syrnian]

Weight plus steam and you have a winner.

[@wileycoyote3370]

Plus the height of the drawbar

[@n238900]

Was listening to Beastie Boys while I watched this and "You gotta fight! For your right! To Parrrttttyyyyy!" came on just as that steam engine showed that deere what's up.

[@NOMADdaf]

You are all right the weight is a key factor as well as the angle of the strap which steals the traction from the deere and transfers it to the steam engine. The deere would work faster but if you are pulling more plows or tree stumps the steam wins hands down.

[@dh190852]

Looks like the diesel would make a good plow?

[@1barak1]

tow points are not leveled... not a fair fight. tractor is being pulled up so its losing traction while the steam tractor is being pulled down giving it more traction.

[@Early_2K]

haha that little green thing would NEVER win no matter how you look at it.

[@Saurucow]

Steam engine = TORQUE!!!!!

[@techmaven5900]

Ben Dover Correct. In a fair pull the tangent should be level. I still think the old timer would have won.

[@bradelinagomez1161]

Ben Dover Irrelevant. Once the JD dug in, the traction surface wrapped the wheels changing impact of the traction vector, anyway. Didn't help the JD one bit. Also irrelevant is whether one can tow the other. The key question for any tractor is how much work can be done. Power is Work over time. Sure, the steam tractor can move a huge weight, but it is slow. Therefore the work it can accomplish in the same amount of time is less. It has less power, end of story. Unless you're going to pull over a house, like somebody else said, all that torque is useless. This was simply a meaningless display for entertainment, and I found it to be quite entertaining.

[@user-iz8tp7po2v]

Ben Dover This is the best explanation!

[@robertwood9572]

Not going to lie, that cat sounds pretty awesome.

[@N4w4k]

I was wondering... what kind of video converter software did you use?

[@Erik_Blomgren]

I think we should change the national anthem of UK from "god bless the queen" to "god bless the steam"!

[@Bluegoose-df7if]

Erik Blomgren you made my day

[@alphamale1865]

tractor is green with envy after being owned by a old steam tractor

[@trevorfillmore698]

A new tiller for an old steam tractor thanks for the show.

[@masterofgofaster]

What we have here is a demonstration of torque vs horsepower. The Steam Traction Motor has massive torque, the ability to do work at a very low rpm. The JD has much more HP (torque x time) but it has to rev much higher causing the steam traction motor to win every time. Also the JD would win in a contest of top speed every time.

[@StefanBlurr]

+ the steam tractor is way heavier than JD ;)

[@Hole_Motorsports]

more so weight and traction than anything else.

[@shexdensmore]

sjpro1 that's what I was thinking too.

[@AusExplorer]

green 4-bottom plough right there ...

[@copperkipper1]

The steam engine can match the torque output of the gas engine without the engine even turning over...lol.

[@garydos000]

Once they gave it a little bit it dragged them home

[@JuliaCV9]

the traction engine uses that drag tractor as a plow XD

[@tkfuzzkid]

I love this. I've seen these old steam engines in person at the show they used to have, and I assume they still do, at Boonville Indiana.

[@malcolmtarlton9012]

I met a farmer in NC that kept one of these around. Reason? Stump pulling.

[@Outland9000]

….. For redwoods.

[@CAESARbonds]

Cool Video. One needs to know that steam engines develop a dremendeous ammount of torque, even at 0 rpm. they don't need a clutch and don't need to idle.

[@JoshuaZiesmer]

actually the steam tractors do have a clutch, that way they can run the PTO (belt) without the tractor moving-the PTO is direct drive, but there is a clutch in the flywheel for when they want to move the tractor

[@sparky11298]

josh ziesmer there are only clutches on american engines all british engines don't if u want to power something from the fly wheel u just take it out of gear this is a british engine

[@CAESARbonds]

thanks for all the explanations.

[@robiskumar1759]

@@sparky11298 Xerox

[@thepaintjobber]

Sweet Hotrod Jesus that thing must have incredible low-rpm torque

[@connorjones536]

it turned that John deer into the world's largest tiller

[@jeffsloop4123]

Did anyone notice the angle of that tow bar?? Also, it appears the John Deere has 4 wheel drive but only the rear two wheels were engaged. Not to mention the operator was just spinning the tires as fast as he could...Not a very good test.

[@Fairlane500skyliner]

Considering the John Deer would weigh 2-3t and the traction engine could weigh up to 20t, it wouldn't make much difference. The traction engine is also geared for lower speeds and high power, so would still open up a can of whoop-ass on the John Deer.

[@adjustablehammer3749]

Jeff Sloop it's a tractor pulling tractor they arnt allowed 4wd so they take it of

[@elijahvargas6338]

Steam may be outdated but it’s by no means out classed 😝😂🤣😅🤩🤩

[@stocksmeadow]

This is what torque is all about.

[@n0ukf]

Does anyone know what that steamer is (not a Case, missing the eagle logo on the smokebox door)? 18HP will be the sustainable output of the boiler. The engine itself might be rated as high as 50-100HP

[@leggyy]

the steam engine was created in 1900, and the drag tractor now, the steam engine has only one piston, the drag tractor has 6 or more pistons. So : water is better than oil ;)

[@mattgrooms3298]

Anybody that hooks to a steam tractor does not know what it can do. The steam tractor has about 2,500 foot pounds of torque and the john deere about 1,300 foot pounds.

[@tonycaptain71]

that steam tracter was like hell no he aint going to beat me,lol

[@genekinnick2174]

Never seen a roto-tiller quite that big and powerful before!

[@wheely04]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow what a show !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@DavidFarina]

850 HP Roto-Tiller!

[@devendrapal7066]

David ink on

[@FoxPopvli]

Old is always gold! ;)

[@kaleidonize]

I wonder what video converter was used

[@EdwardKennedy1956]

How 'bout up against a Cat D11?

[@VictrolaJazz]

Richard K - it's not about horsepower, it's all about torque. Don't you love all the revving from the modern tractor and the effortless torque of the old one!

[@ssstefannn1]

someone likes to smell smoke

[@ylwpyro9549]

Wow. Just keep in mind, the Traction Engine does not have as much HP behind it as the new John Deere does, it's simply due to the fact that the Traction Engine is far heavier (some weighed as much as 100 tons) than the John Deere. It's fairly evident that the Deere struggles to pull it even when stationary, as seen before the Traction Engine begins to move. With that said, an amazing display of power by both machines.

[@defender1006]

Yes, the 'Traction Engine weighed more than the Tractor did, BUT it's the fact that one produces its peak torque from the 'off' and the other needs to well up into it's rev range and moving at the appropriate speed so needing the grip/traction to do that, the 'Traction engine' deigns them of that. Some years ago I was on a steam hauled train of some 12/13 coaches leaving from Penzance heading towards Plymouth, despite the age of the two GWR Locomotives, both 80+ years old at the time, they were so good at doing what they were built to they had to slow down as they were making 'HST' time and catching the 'service train' in front and in Somerset, alongside the M5 motorway they were pushing/pulling an easy 80mph+ and visibly faster than the cars were doing.

[@hawknives]

That John Deere plows dirt pretty good Backards!

[@Mike-nj6tj]

Say hi to "New technology" ...

[@MilanKerslager]

Neříká se tomu "stará škola"? :-)

A nedá si říct. Spojka vorvana :-)

[@maciek9613]

It's not power battle, it's a traction battle.

[@katejohnson6356]

Steam tractor to John Deere: "Here, hold my beer..."

[@BryanDenlingerKJVM]

Jeremiah 6:16a "Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls." Older technology whipping the new "high-tech" tractor. Awesome!

[@gmansplit]

What do ancient desert fairy tales have to do with a tug-of-war?

[@jaspalsingh750]

By by

[@ChaseCarlton]

"Heavy is good. Heavy is reliable. If it doesn't work, you can always hit him with it." - The Russian

[@Craneman4100w]

The drawbar on the traction engine is higher than the tractor. Any pull will lighten the drives on the tractor, no contest here.

[@kucam12mischablue]

+Craneman the 1800s tractor is 100 times heavier....

[@Craneman4100w]

OK, The pulling tractor did not dig in, the pulled tractor did and how it dug in has nothing to do with how hard it CAN pull, it is a result of it being dragged while the tires rotate forward. The steamer is not 100 times heavier, it is maybe 3 or so times heavier which makes a huge difference for sure. None of these things discount the fact that the higher drawbar exerts a lifting effect on the lower one and will reduce the lower ones pulling effort (the entire point of my comment). Machines of equal weight, height, and power would be at a standoff (equal). The fact that one beats the other indicates there are differences between them, one of which I pointed out.

[@MrDalek2150]

+Gee Lass Also it has like the lowest gearing in the world.

[@hiyadroogs]

+MrDalek2150 Hardly. If the steam engine could manage 3000 rpm, rather than the 60 rpm here, it would be pulling about 40 mph in bottom gear. Similar to the tractors top gear. Why do you suppose steam locomotives can start a 1000 ton train away from rest, with overdrive gearing much taller than 1:1, from crankpin to wheel rim, then take that train to 100 mph with the same 'gear' - without ever exceeding 300 rpm? Answer, torque. Diesel & petrol engines need gearboxes precisely because they can't produce useful pulling power below 500 rpm. Steam & electric motors really don't need them for pulling from rest. Traction engines only have gears because big cylinders require big boilers, which need a big water supply.

[@milanjatt4033]

hiyadroogs

[@mattseymour8637]

This is great, just shows the raw power of a steam tractor! Its the weight and torque that wins this one! Good old steam!

[@Quizzicality]

1:34 "Here, we'll give you a head start again" "I'm just spinning!" "Oh sorry, we had the breaks on. Try again"

[@GeneralG1810]

NOTHING beats steam

[@darthgamer6080]

Maybe electric motors stand a chance.

[@MrMattmc]

This vid tells me that one should pay attention to Grandpa. Why do I say this? Because I had a young fella challenge me to a drag race with his 'rice grinder' Honda. What I was driving was a 1994 V4P Buick Roadmaster wagon with a power chip. Suffice it to say, newer is not always better.

[@BKetch]

9 times out of 10 it is. Your Wagon wouldnt compete with a brand new civic Si.

[@MrMattmc]

Herps85 Probably not. Why don't we put that little rice grinder in the back of my Roadmaster and take it for a ride. The motor in that si is about as big as the starter on my Buick.

[@BKetch]

Fred Flinstone I dont know if you old timers actually believe what you are saying or are just making shit up to fuck with people. Your old wagon would be lucky to run a sub 20 second 1/4 mile, pretty much every new car could beat that. Even trucks.

[@BKetch]

Fred Flinstone You're a fucking idiot.

[@MrMattmc]

Herps85 One feels sorry for you because you obviously no nothing about cars. A fiero? Get real stupid. If you are going to talk shit, you should know what you are talking about f**kstick.

[@josephwatts790]

Hurray for Trevor! That steam tractor reminds me of Trevor from Thomas and friends that's why I said that

[@Gotthard68]

@crazytrip83 not too sure...I agree with the angle on the drawbar, but adhesion is another factor, therefore weight. And you can develop a lot of power in very low speeds on steam engines as well...^^

[@foglalatazanyad]

You mad technology ? trololo

[@RKidd-ex3rh]

I know there is a ton of reasons how the steam tractor won but in my opinion steam is just better..........I don't care what anyone says Steam is just better.

[@rmjackaman]

attaboy

[@MrSigDan]

R. Kidd Steam is awesome but not very practical. You need a large constant supply of water and fire to keep going. Other than that it is kickass.

[@nickelplatestudios2162]

R. Kidd Amen to that!

[@D8W2P4]

+MrSigDan That or give it a steam condenser and you then only need to add fuel, which in the case of an external combustion engine (that's what a steam engine is) can be anything flammable.

[@MrSigDan]

Good point. That would be impressive.

[@davegraff443]

How come the jd never engaged the front wheel assist?

[@tazzkyful]

that thing is like NOP! you're coming with me son

[@tbmike23]

Steam engine are around 10 times as powerful as average gas engines. The big ones only make maybe 100-150 hp, but they make it at only about 250rpms instead of 2,500 rpms like a diesel. They also make an insane 2-3,000+ pound ft of torque at maybe 1 or 2 rpms. They could pull out tree stumps.

[@AN7HROSwift]

xbox vs steam.

[@19crazydude]

that steam engine guy was like ohh he said go and just drug him along

[@glibbis]

Simple. This is a demonstration of torque vs. horsepower. This is why torque is always better than horsepower.

[@TheBighammerstudios]

all u steam lovers are throwing partys right now but really that steam tractor weighs thousands of pounds more that's why it won not cuz of torque

[@AbstractAggregate]

It don't matter if you pull by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning.

[@skswig1]

it's both. The steam engine makes all of its torque from the first movement of the piston

[@adjustablehammer3749]

TheBighammerstudios you are correct but the people saying that are saying if it was on Tarmac even if they both had traction the steam engine would still win

[@johnrozs]

No one said it was a torque duel !😊

[@THEROBINKEVIN]

that is stem power

[@taffytamuttonfudge5765]

In a sense that would mean Trevor is stronger than Terrance.

[@BNforever2009]

that old steamer got globs of torque

[@Psyadin2]

win by weight, so stupid, on asphalt that doesnt just give out that john deer tractor would rip that steam powered shit to pieces, quite litterally, it would likely be destroyed by the speeds the john deer would pull it in.

[@jeremystyle6568]

Doubt it, that john dear would just spin the tires on asphalt. The steam tractors tires appear that they would even give much better traction on pavement then offroad vs the john deer's tires

[@deathgnomes]

And why do you call it "shit"? Because it's old? It'll probably be running long after they replace that diesel, even with being well up-kept. That old steam-powered "shit" as you called it is far less complicated a machine, I'd take it over the other any day.

[@Fairlane500skyliner]

Magnus Håland Even on the road, the traction engine would still open up a can of "whoop-ass" on the John Deer. :-) They have some serious traction and weight behind them, and would weight about three or four times the weight of the John Deer.

[@Bananpelikan]

STOP ARGUING, lets vote for a rematch instead, ON ASPHALT :D:D!?

[@DennisGr]

that "steam powered piece of shit" has multiple times the weight of the john deere, so it's traction on asphalt would be even better.

[@1000unicorns]

Tractor from the 1800's has pimp rims. State of the art machinery.

[@Gabriel-he6ih]

that video can tell people what is better than modern

[@gabemathis2318]

What kind of engine is in the John Deere? It sounds and looks like a chevy V-8, but it rolls coal like a diesel...

[@pennsylvaniaboy87]

I take it the front drive tires on the john deer are just for looks?

[@greyghostkoga]

The angle of the hookup is killing the Deere, essentially being lifted up in the rear by the much heavier steamer.

[@TerrierToughGuy]

This is about physics and not HP

[@Tristan102100]

the guy on the drag tractor: *on your mark,get set, GO!* " oh shit better floor it and drag this bucket of bolts to tim buck 2!" the guy on the traction engine: *on your mark, get set, GO!* "dadoo dadoo dadoo." "whats that loud noise?" " hmmm,it seems i am going downhill" " OH SHIT THE RACE STARTED 45 SECONDS AGO???" "Well, i guess i'd better let out the clutch..." "dadoo dadoo dadoo"