Millennium Tower residents complain of unpleasant byproduct of continued tilt

Two residents of the troubled Millennium Tower have complained to NBC Bay Area’s Investigative Unit about what they fear is the unpleasant byproduct of the continued tilting of the luxury high-rise - frequent drain backups. Jaxon Van Derbeken reports.
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[@maxgreddy9730]

The victims need to sue the developer ASAP before they declare bankruptcy or else they'll be left holding the bag.

[@iandelmore8376]

Like the lawsuit would go that fast. They are all taking a loss here.

[@scalelabs]

@@iandelmore8376gott start somewhere right?

[@seeharvester]

Holding the colostomy bag, so to speak.

[@Steven-xf8mz]

dmg control probably already have that project spin-off as its own company by now....

[@hnfiiinc5993]

Oh yeah 200%

[@amandab.recondwith8006]

The tenants should be fully reimbursed, and the tower should be disassembled and brought down. It's a terrible hazard to the surrounding area, not to mention the poor souls who are living there. In short, the developer and the architects screwed up and need to be sued!

[@georgevavoulis4758]

And have that engineer Ron Hambuger and all building inspectors and city hall officials thrown in JAIL.

[@louisefleming3117]

good luck with the lawsuits!

[@slomnim]

Hot potato with who owes who. Deconstructing this mess will be on someone's balance sheet. Who wants to bid on hot shit?

[@intorsusvolo7834]

I believe the architects are less to blame because the plans used steel but the developers chose concrete to save money, amongst other corner-cutting choices that went against the architect plans.

[@stefanbrown5872]

Those souls aren’t poor. Serves em right for being suckers. Sf is a sucker city

[@MsArtistwannabe]

This isn’t safe. The building should be condemned.

[@graugger5918]

Problem is is that with the building tilted how could it be safely demolished?

[@merlinious01]

@@graugger5918 By hand, top to bottom.

[@azeleapark]

@@graugger5918 ...... *just push it over*

[@bobbykiefer4306]

Buyer beware.

[@AllenHanPR]

Dismantling buildings has been a thing for very long time, In Japan. But I think its cheaper to demolish the building

[@chadglass7705]

I've been following this debacle for years and no matter what is done the building never gets any better. They need to begin dismantling the building and condemn it before it collapses. A collapse tends to happen suddenly after warnings like this have been happening. This is a human tragedy in the making and people in power seem to be in denial of it.

[@sema6008]

This will be like the Titan sub situation. When will they learn?

[@chadglass7705]

@@sema6008 Good question. I don't think it's possible in this case for them to learn. They're too invested in trying to save it--a paradox.

[@tgherman3619]

And like the recent collapse of that condo building in Florida.

[@ethosforeign728]

@@sema6008 go ask your fellow democrats they know how to save and where the money goes

[@dianegreen1937]

Too large, very cheap materials and shoddy workmanship. HOW DID THOSE BUILDINGS PASS INSPECTION?

[@CHOCKO895]

Was surprised to see basic kitchen cabinets and appliances. Thought this was a luxury living

[@galaxyglitterlatte4664]

Yeah. I was thinking the same thing...

[@tastyorange]

So many of these modern "luxury" towers have these sterile minimalist kitchens that are supposed to be high-end, but they just look like expensive IKEA.

[@williamhaynes7089]

the unit ownsers are free to remodel as they wish, they bought it after all

[@dennismoro-p2k]

my thoughts as well...

[@clairdelunefan]

I learned recently that this building doesn't have a 13th floor. Heck, I didn't realize that modern high rises still did that. I have only seen the 13th floor skipped in some older buildings in NYC. So let me get this straight. The building planners were concerned that a silly, old superstition might bother some of the residents yet they built a total sh*t hole of a structure instead. Okay...check! Makes perfect sense. Sheesh! You couldn't pay me to live there. It needs to be imploded, imo.

[@checkoutmyyoutubepage]

Calm down. They just renumber the floors to miss 13. Take your medication.

[@clairdelunefan]

@@checkoutmyyoutubepage ~ Yeah, I know that. What did you think I meant? Silly!

[@ingej003]

Most tall buildings (at least in North America I believe) skip the 13th floor, for superstitious reasons. Especially hotels. This is not because the designers or owners are necessarily superstitious, however they understand that much of the general public is and that there are a great many people out there that will be unwilling to rent/buy a unit on a 13th floor.

[@dingytv538]

@chexckoutmtyoutubepage. You mean the 14th floor is magically floating in space about the 12th floor? Good to know

[@sophocles1198]

@@checkoutmyyoutubepage Maybe she should take your medication?

[@radicalrick9587]

*All the tenants need to get together and file a massive class action lawsuit.* *THAT'S THE ONLY OPTION AVAILABLE! To allow this to drag on is idiotic.*

[@MisterM-ow6qk]

No lawsuit for 2 floors with plumbing issues that is caused by tenant that can be easily fixed.

[@radicalrick9587]

@@MisterM-ow6qk *My father owns property all over California, trust me I know a thing or two about plumbing issues. If more than one tenant is having the same issues, it is usually not the tenants doing, there's something wrong with the building's plumbing system.* *The building owners were blaming diaper wipes for the clogging, that's a bunch of BS.*

[@jeffhess7130]

The smart option is to "MOVE" while your still alive 🤔

[@arribaficationwineho32]

@@MisterM-ow6qknothing was caused by tenants but by very bad design. They are lying to delay dealing with design issues

[@fepeerreview3150]

@@radicalrick9587 Two tenants are reporting plumbing issues. The building has 163 condos, 108 rentals, and a 136 unit hotel. That works out to 2 problems in 407 units or about 1 in every 200 units.

[@gglen2141]

Astonishingly 15 units are for sale and 4 units were bought in the Millenium Tower in the last 90 days, and the prices were not what you'd call "fire sale".

[@williamhaynes7089]

the whole city is over priced.

[@willweng305]

HOA is reported to be $3K per month!

[@gglen2141]

@@willweng305 Yoiks !! What about the ..... wait for it....sinking fund ??

[@lemondrop7305]

@@williamhaynes7089overpriced but plenty of money rich people have and they spend it there

[@monettechristophers]

Cannot believe a bank would loan money on this property. Maybe cash buyers. People with more money than cents. 🤷‍♀️

[@truracer20]

As a contractor with 30 years experience I can assure you that this tilt will change drain slope. At 645 feet tall with a 29 inch lean means it is leaning .045 inch per foot. Since it is leaning diagonally I'll just figure that the building is 82.5 feet square giving it a diagonal of 116.67 feet. That means the floors are 5.25 inches out of level in the diagonal (116.45' x .045"). If the building has all horizontal drain pipes sloped at 1/4 inch per foot there should be no problem, but looking at build quality from pictures and videos as well as the engineer of record even mentioning it as a possible problem I wager that the drains are not sloped 1/4 inch per foot, but likely far less. I think horizontal sink and tub/shower drains are likely to be around 1/16( .0625") inch per foot. Build quality really doesn't look up to par for being "luxury"...

[@kirkmitchell2468]

can you tell us in English please

[@TropicoDreams]

@@kirkmitchell2468 he's saying they're screwed

[@mikek5633]

Hamberger's report states at 3:00 mark that a slope of an 1/8 inch is code... please explain yourself.

[@clubmogambo3214]

@@kirkmitchell2468 LOL, I was feeling the same thing, but at the same time I'm buying 100% what he's saying.

[@aardque]

My dude, 6 1/2 feet of tilt would be a 1% change in slope, _that_ would be a significant reduction of the required 2%. Ok, we're talking 1/3 of that, so overall the horizontal pipes will have 1.7% slope. The flood damage was not caused by a .3% reduction in slope, the flood damage was caused by clogged pipes. It is not rocket science, despite you to whipping out all the 1/4"/ft mumbo jumbo like we're some client you're trying to confuse, but I'll give you the fact that the flat slope allowed the tampons to accumulate.

[@kencarp57]

That building is an unending NIGHTMARE, and I don't think anything is going to work to fix the tilt. It's insane how the architect ever thought a 10-foot thick floating foundation like that would work in that area, and then they changed the building from steel to poured concrete, which is MUCH heavier. If they had simply sunk piles all the way down to the bedrock in the first place, we wouldn't even be here talking about this. I've read that they saved $4M by NOT doing that, but that's a literal drop in the bucket for what they will need to pay to fix the building... if they even CAN fix it. That said, stupid people flush all kinds of stuff down their toilets!

[@sharon94503]

1st rule: NEVER buy a Condominium or Timeshare. Seriously, why would anyone pay $900,000 for a slice of space in a building that you have no control over?

[@ericbwertz]

Buying a condo vs a timeshare have almost nothing to do with each other. It's also not the case that you have NO control over it. But there are numerous questions that they should be asking themselves at this point.

[@jklok]

Have you traveled anywhere at all? Condos are very common in other parts of the world.

[@LygerTheCLaw]

the views probably make good for porn flicks.

[@NadiaSeesIt]

​@@jklokcommon does not equal smart

[@jklok]

@@NadiaSeesIt you have to be smart to buy a home?

[@ct5625]

I think it's entirely plausible that people have been flushing things they shouldn't, this happens all the time and causes numerous problems. However, the tilt absolutely will impact drainage in the building as so many pipes are installed with a specific gradient to allow controlled removal of waste and when the entire building is moving those pipes will not function as they should. The most likely explanation is that this is a combination of issues. I would also no longer live there. I understand it's hard for them to move or sell, but safety should come first and I would have no trust in the developers who have been downplaying everything for so long. Time for a class-action lawsuit if you ask me.

[@tomtalley2192]

Absolutely. My plumber snaked out my main drain and pulled out 26 tampons. I tell tenants now only TP in the toilet if they don't want brown waste in their apartments. So far, the last 15 years, not one problem

[@enriquealvarez3267]

That building just needs to taken down . Period. It's pathetic

[@brent4073]

It will be like the Florida condo collapse. Taking it down will require so much money that no one will want to pay for it, the developer, the insurance companies, the condo owners, no one can or is willing to pay for it.

[@87clits]

The whole city is pathetic.

[@nickjimbob2776]

The fact it isnt condemned is hogwash

[@ip2networkz81]

No doubt. Tear this building down. Its a perfect example of money dictating safety and health standards

[@georginatoland]

Eventually gravity will do the job. Everyone there needs to get out ASAP.

[@tomcartwright7134]

All of that sewage is coming from the floors above him. A the third floor or below the sanitary line is blocked or crushed. What a nightmare. I don’t think the tower is fixable. No engineers have ever corrected serious foundation issues on a structure this big. They are screwed.

[@kevin3434343434]

How do you sleep at night in that building knowing that even a moderate earthquake will cause this thing to fall down?!

[@SuiteVII]

I wonder what would be the least magnitude of an earthquake necessary to make it fall? 🤔

[@danielfiore8865]

7

[@TVHouseHistorian]

@@SuiteVII I'm sure it won't belong and we'll all find out.

[@benjaminvella2736]

7 or 8... Earthquake. The place is doomed.

[@areareare9953]

Hell, if I lean up on the wall too hard, I could probably bring it down.

[@Alex-Defatte]

As a previous building maintenance technician, I can attest that tenants will flush ANYTHING down their drains and then have the nerve to look at you like you're the one who's crazy. I can't imagine adding a tilt to that equation. Those poor technicians.

[@MAGnetICus_Attractus]

My landlord was spending $40,000 everytime someone sent clothing down the toilet because it would bind the septic pump that would pump waste to local sewage lines. One hospital put a device in the toilet drain that would snag things and only clog the culprit toilet not the whole system.

[@bhz8947]

Adding the tilt makes it so much worse because tilted people will flush anything.

[@joechang8696]

I can clog a toilet with only what comes out of me.

[@ChetHanks-eh1md]

flushing has nothing to do with this and you have been brainwashed. The same developer is in hot water for their other buildings.

[@Alex-Defatte]

@@ChetHanks-eh1md If you take a very basic plumbing course you'd know that if your neighbor upstairs flushes baby wipes or lets too much food go down his sink it will clog the tenant's plumbing below. But you go ahead and believe everyone is brainwashed lol.

[@pokerinthefrontliqueurinth4971]

Sanitary wipes can be a nightmare on plumbing. No matter what plumbers say people think they can flush them.

[@kenc2257]

Those wipes are advertised as "flushable," but really shouldn't be flushed.

[@ericbwertz]

70 is the new 100. IQ, that is. People will believe ANYTHING if it helps to reduce their cognitive load.

[@danielfiore8865]

The irony of your name and then blaming sanitary wipes... I guess youve gotta be big on sanitary wipes with a name like that. Probably can recommend a great plumber too.

[@kirkmitchell2468]

more excuses now it's you.

[@gridley]

Perhaps. But that one resident said her plumbing problems continued even after she stopped using such wipes. But who knows? Two residents out of the hundreds (?) still living there means the cause may be a bit ambiguous. But if more complaints start rolling in, then the tilt is to blame

[@staciasmith5162]

I sympathize with the tenant who's suffering, but does someone really need to tell the gentleman to leave now while he's still alive and can walk out in one piece? 😢

[@GH-oi2jf]

The building is not a threat to his life, and he probably has a lot of money invested in it which he cannot recover.

[@bigradwolf5001]

@@GH-oi2jf This is not the leaning tower of Pizza where the foundation was on solid ground and is small. This is the largest residential building in all of San Francisco AND the foundation is on sands -- wet sands. It's a matter of WHEN not IF the building would fall. THAT is a threat to life.

[@ashleylala4293]

Living in a high rise is THE WORST. There’s nothing luxurious about it. You are way too dependent on the decency and competency of other people in a time of growing incompetence and indecency. If someone on a higher floor gets messed up on pills or booze and decides to overflow their bathtub, you and your belongings are screwed. If your next door neighbor’s cooking smells like dog shit, you get to experience that odor every single day. If one of your neighbors is habitually smoking drugs, you get to smell it and they also stink up the entire hallway. There’s a resident in my building that looks and smells like he never showers, his towel reeks of mildew but he eagerly runs to the swimming pool everyday after work. I wouldn’t dream of going in the pool now. It also appears that he has never given his dog a bath. I think bathing is perhaps not a custom in his homeland. I could go on but I won’t. Whoever thought highrise living was a good idea was terribly mistaken. It’s a nightmare and the HOAs are every bit as corrupt as the government if not moreso.

[@taiwoidowu2854]

You're a bigot talking about another tenant in your building. That's who he's and if you don't like it, move the hell out.

[@JoeOvercoat]

You skipped the yelling at the top of their lungs. And the slow but certain trashing of the elevator. But, that view amiright?

[@d.p.9567]

I’m glad someone else said it. I lived in a modern highrise once and I hated it. Absolutely no privacy and forget keeping a dog. It’s a prison with glitter and lipstick. No thanks! 😂

[@CoolHand273]

my thoughts exactly. the people who live in these towers seem to be status oriented classless people who think they are better than other people just because they are fine wasting money. It’s too bad we live in a world where having money does not really correlate with intelligence, sophistication, self awareness or critical thinking skills. I have been to this tower many times and it was built with the cheapest materials possible.

[@mrswolls]

That sounds horrible😂

[@bigusdickus3068]

Theres something wrong with the people that are saying there's no way for these people to leave that building. "If this building kills me. I'm gonna sue you!!" It's mind blowing that these people don't pack a bag with a change of clothes and leave. The building belongs to someone else and they don't have to pay anybody a dime unfortunately.

[@bellagirlgirl8827]

Ugh, so nasty! Just tear it down before it falls over and hits a nearby buiding(s) causing a true disaster.

[@danielbrown7535]

😂...takes out fentenal smoking sfers. Later rip tater chip

[@mjrussell414]

@@danielbrown7535Huh?

[@edmessina8392]

@@mjrussell414 Meth.

[@TVHouseHistorian]

@@danielbrown7535 The word is spelled "fentanyl." And the phrase you're reaching for begins with "Let'er rip," not "later rip." Ever heard of Google?

[@randyosborne3971]

And it will cause a larger disaster.

[@VaporheadATC]

It baffles me why ANYONE would purchase or rent anything in this tower.

[@harleyatc956]

The tower is a metaphor for the entire city of San Francisco

[@ragheadand420roll]

Bubbling up with feces True

[@danielbrown7535]

😂....I'm shur it's OK if yall elevator down n poop in da street

[@dan.e-559]

its a metaphor the the entire country

[@Liamnissan22222]

Yeah. Capitalism ruining everything.

[@debbiehunt5940]

Rich people getting what they deserve for gentrification?

[@micgant]

This is so sad. These people don't deserve this.

[@hippiebits2071]

I really wonder how many of the current residents purchased after the sinking became a documented issue and acknowledged the disclosure. Unsure that this story necessarily reflects issues resulting from the lean but it certainly seems rational to assume the integrity of structure will continue to decline.

[@bigradwolf5001]

@@hippiebits2071Not many. People became aware of this very fast.

[@youtubesucks8024]

Those apartments are kinda dumpy for they charge

[@19andiaz]

I was just thinking this. I was like wait THIS is what the inside looks like?? Absolutely not!

[@SuiteVII]

They’re multimillion dollar condos 😅

[@jessihawkins9116]

dumpy? they spewing shit outa them bruh

[@bcask61]

How in God’s name has this building not been condemned? What will it take for the city and the developers to face the fact that it is beyond saving and an increasing safety hazard.

[@x1xBryanx1x]

~$1650/mo HOA fees. Good luck trying to sell.

[@danielbrown7535]

If they act fast n swap out the clients...wet wipers out street poopers in, it could save a lot of tax dollars when it falls.

[@jessihawkins9116]

they paid for it and still have to pay that much for hoa fees? Just what is the hoa providing them?

[@abvincent12]

I feel sorry for this guy. Imagine he fixes the destroyed floor and kitchen and then comes how a week later and finds that it is all destroyed again. But he can't not fix it and live in filth. Unbelievable

[@u4riahsc]

That was sewer water, it is a biohazard, drywall needs to be removed, the entire place needs to be sanitized, air monitoring for mold needs to happen before any repairs can be made. The building needs to be condemned.

[@sfopaladin2661]

If I was the owner of a lower floor condo I would get some plumbers to install check-valves on ALL my drain pipes so I don't get any sort of back up into my apartment. A helluva lot cheaper than removing drywall, flooring, sanitize etc, etc. from the upstairs ppl sending tampons, wipes and grease down the pipes. Let it back up to the 30th floor. Then those people will find out THEIR problem and let them call management or the plumbers.

[@puffnstuff12]

Those residents need a class action lawsuit against the building constructor, manager and whomever else is liable for this condition. 29" is a lot of lean and I would not want to live in it. Once too much load moves from vertical to lateral something bad is going to happen and people will pay with their lives.

[@OlgaSmirnova1]

The tower is an HOA they really t directly from the owner of the unit

[@GeorgeCrosley]

"And whomever else is liable..." Should be "whoever else is liable."

[@macbook802]

Officials must throw a party on the top three floors and everyone must dance to the "Cupid Shuffle". It's literally the only way to fix this. Only to the lefts

[@js5769]

This is what happens when you hire a firm from back East. In San Francisco, an engineering company I previously worked at once had a job with an architect from New York City. The moment the Architect heard something they didn't like from somebody at the SF Dept. of Building Inspection, THEIR FIRST REACTION was to ask "Is there a way to approach this person for a more favorable response?" Many of these East Coast firms don't give a damn about safety, and would sooner try to grease someone's hand than focus on designing a safe building.

[@dr.emilschaffhausen4683]

What I want to know is how the hell do these people afford a 1.5 million or more two bedroom apartment? I make great money and couldn't even come close to affording that.

[@MrLazlness]

Sell drugs

[@Lindleyferchel]

No shit…I want to know their rents

[@averageamericangirl6819]

40 year mortgage

[@williamhaynes7089]

@@Lindleyferchel its a mortgage, not rent...

[@sema6008]

They need to move out before the building’s foundation gives way. It’s just a matter of time as the settlement weakens. The management seems to ignore the flags just as the Titan submarine CEO did when everyone warned him about the lack of safety. Sheesh.

[@tirethor972mjolnir3]

Talk about being in a shity situation

[@mvcharisma]

The fact that they continue to try and patch up something that has so obviously failed, completely sums up California as a whole 😂

[@mikeyposs3132]

Yep! Make it political!!

[@LIONTAMER3D]

It's the wealthiest, most educated state in the union: what a failure!

[@toothlessseer3153]

OMG! Ron Hamburger's $100 million 'fix' is not working? _(Is it just possible that all the 'engineers' have been collecting city money and pretending to fix the problem... No, no, no! They're 'honest' folks)_ 😜

[@edp2260]

i had that happen when I lived in an apartment. The neighbor downstairs had a clogged drain. They were not home at the time. I was out as well. The neighbor UPSTAIRS from WAS home, and was using his sink. He was unawares that the sink 2 floors down was clogged. All of us were on the same drain pipe. So what happened is that the upstairs neighbor sink was backing up at the clog in the drain pipe 2 floors down. When the drain water reached the level of MY sink, it filled up the sink and flowed over the edge of the sink on to my floor! I found this mess when returning later that day. This is what is happening to these Millenium Tower tenants. The clog is one floor below them, and the drain water is backing up to their level and running out on to their floor!

[@PeterYeung]

Yes. Drain clogs are pretty common in high rises on a shared drain pipe. Where I am, lots of people pour grease down their drains. Condo management does a yearly cleanout of the drain pipe as a preventive measure. Sure, costs money, but better than the alternative of backed-up drains.

[@danielserrano929]

Im praying for everyone in the building because that tower is going down 😬

[@danielbrown7535]

Not as fast as the state. It gets more attention becouse it's not a septic flooded farm field. Enjoy your California strawberries

[@francismarion6400]

it might be an improvement on their lives at this point.

[@zoer7338]

​@@danielbrown7535you sure spend a lot of time making nasty comments about California (l've seen your other comments). I'm sick about what that corporation has done to farmers and they need to be put out of business. But the GOP fights regulations tooth and nail.

[@zoer7338]

​@@francismarion6400trumptards unite! Y'all get up in the morning and guzzle your Hater-Aid and say yum yum let's go own some libs. And off you go to troll with idiotic remarks. I've seen your other posts, you poor thing. Get a life. 🙄

[@seeharvester]

@@danielbrown7535 They do taste a bit nutty. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZOlYqxvgZmmgNE

[@VincentMcmanus.]

With the fact that the building is tilting more and more as time goes on, I don't think I would want to live there at all. In fact, I think the building should be torn down as a potential safety conern.

[@tuanivando9634]

Do people live in that building? They know it's tilting, right?? One of these days, it will collapse. This is the most expensive condo in SF.

[@miyamoto900]

Leaning tower of Pisa is also tilting and it's still being like that for thousands of years, so don't overreact.

[@SuiteVII]

@@miyamoto900The leaning tower has residents and plumbing?

[@kenc2257]

@@miyamoto900 The authorities have taken steps to mitigate the tilting of the Leaning Tower of Pisa; it's been stabilized, and the degree of lean has actually been reduced.

[@kenc2257]

@@SuiteVII No; it's a freestanding bell tower.

[@SuiteVII]

@@kenc2257 Exactly 👍🏾

[@ebutuoy6463]

Boy, isn't Millennial Tower indicative of the city of San Francisco? Continuing problems that get worse every day....and the danger that it may be condemned forcing everyone to move out. While nobody has a clue about how to save that once beautiful city.

[@jeffdur1330]

I don't go anywhere near that place, it's going down at some point.

[@peterhones3594]

As a plumber it is one of the earliest signs that you have MAJOR ground movement and the pipes have back fall this building will fall over no matter what you do

[@sleepingbeauty229]

10 inches in 1 year from year before. They need to condemm the building and bring it down safely before it snaps and kills... This is a disaster in the making , a sleeping disaster that will cause a huge catastrophic damages , with in next 4 years or 5

[@tuanivando9634]

I agree.

[@forestdweller512]

Next earthquake may take her down.

[@longbeach225]

@@forestdweller512 Yeah. Even a 5.0 could bring it down.

[@solenoidnull9542]

In the next year windows will start to break and fall at random due to the compression. Then things will get interesting.

[@Seansolo420]

They should sue and move before a disaster happens. So many red flags in this building.

[@markpinera415]

The residents need a class action lawsuit against hoa/owner. They need their money back with interest.

[@dksharron]

More than only interest, must include the increase in property values for somilar condos in the area. I am sure more than seven percent / year

[@ukiahcat]

They been threatened so many times by thr building owner to shut up

[@dksharron]

@@ukiahcat I hope they do sue soon, long before the buiilding falls, and get paid out. The cost of takng down the building will be substantial, and the condo owners need to get paid out before those costs begin

[@ericbwertz]

Wow, you people don't know sh-t about how condos work. I can only assume that you were educated in California and haven't learned anything of practical value ever since. The unit owners together ARE the owners of the building, and ARE the HOA. Their recourse would be with the builder, who sold them all the (oopsie!) building. Many, many HOAs end up going after their builders before their ten-year window to do so closes. This may be a blessing in disguise, giving them a reason to GTFO of SF (better yet, California) before the other seven shoes of the rainbow octopus drop.

[@jpcaretta8847]

They bought to speculate, they deserve to loose their money !

[@bill392]

Those residents need to lawyer-up right now. The situation will keep getting worse, even to the point where the building will be deemed unsafe. Even then, the building owners will try every trick in the book to weasel out of their responsibilities. Suing them will be the only recourse for the residents so the more documented evidence they can record now and going forward, the stronger their cases will be.

[@patty109109]

The residents are not stupid and of course, many have consulted attorneys already.

[@dennischiapello3879]

What do you mean "right now?" They began lawyering up as soon as the problem became known. There were probably more lawyers than engineers on the case within a week!

[@myrtlebeachman9037]

The repairs will end up costing more than the cost of the original build.

[@danielbrown7535]

It's NOT going to ever be repaired. It will cost alot less to let it fall n crush people than repair.

[@Ephemeral994]

I'm sure that building is insured for 5 times the amount it costs to build it I'm sure they are just waiting for it to fall over

[@SuiteVII]

@@Ephemeral994 the casualties and law suits wont be cheap or covered by insurance 😬

[@francismarion6400]

Who would insure such a building?

[@ericbwertz]

@@Ephemeral994 Professor Dunning, meet professor Kruger. Here's your first subject.

[@fepeerreview3150]

The tower is currently tilting 29 inches, which is 0.22 degrees. A lot of phones have a level app. I encourage people to try to hold their phones and get it to register a slope of 0.22 degrees.

[@PerfectoKiss]

Paid millions for a view of Mission street where drug use occurs and a tilting building. What a deal!

[@brent4073]

Just a matter of who is going to have to pay to get it removed now.

[@lauralangham9657]

from 19 inches to 29 inches - and then what ? 39, 49, and 59. I hate that the company is blaming the tenets but I'm not surprised.

[@jeanhansel5805]

These problems are only going to get worse as time goes on, causing drains and sewage to back-up, as shown in this report. Sporadic reports of these types of issues had been reported about three years ago. Add to this the flooding in the basement with exposed rebar in the walls, gaps between the elevators and floors, uneven floors in the condos and popped out wIndows will cause, IMO, the building to be declared unlivable.

[@Kevin19700]

One of these days all concerned parties are going to finally come to the inevitable conclusion…Tear it down!

[@edwardkantowicz4707]

It will suffer complete collapse before all parties involved agree to demolition or dismantling.

[@sfisher6398]

It needs to be torn down.

[@kidwave1]

They are just waiting for it to fall in a disastrous and spectacular fashion. Ridiculous.

[@tjmarx]

There is no such thing as a "flushable" wipe other than toilet paper.

[@danielbrown7535]

😂....Biden IS a flushable WIPE.

[@lordgarion514]

This is the kind of thing where the government needs to come in and take possession of the company, sell it, and use the money to tear down and rebuild the building.

[@coldfinger459sub0]

To combat this problem without fixing the tilting that is continuing. You would have to slope the pipes, a additional several degrees to compensate for future tilting. In some places this almost be not possible because there’s no more ceiling room for pipes to go up any higher or paste that are already tilted close to the floor cannot go further down . The extensive this kind of work in a concrete building, drilling through walls, floors and ceiling to permanently fix this will range into bankruptcy . To win the building is eventually condemned because of danger of falling, collapsing, and then being torn down . The inevitable for those in denial .

[@LygerTheCLaw]

the builders and engineers are working on it, but you can't fix something that big that's already firmly planted on the ground.

[@coldfinger459sub0]

@@LygerTheCLaw they definitely do not want to admit that they cannot fix it. But first, all those responsible financially want to dissolve their assets, hide their assets and back away from this project . So by the time the inevitable judgment comes against them with a lawsuit to become financially responsible They can all claim bankruptcy, or have dissolve their companies and start it over again, so they cannot be prosecuted

[@salami99]

Wait hold on ur right people do lift buildings up, i think in Japan they deal with this ALOT and actually fix the issue instead of finger point

[@coldfinger459sub0]

@@salami99 lol 😂 yes, I know Japan could handle it. China can handle it. Definitely the Germans can handle it. But they’re Americans they have to spend 10 years finger-pointing and getting ready for lawsuits, closing up their businesses, her tech themselves financially and distancing themselves from the problem. San Francisco cannot even lay down a quarter mile of new street in a two-year period of time They take a decade to build a tunnel that takes other countries one year or less San Francisco is probably the only country on earth that ruined a one’s thriving good economical on time, reliable transportation system for the public and literally destroyed. It made it unreliable and over budget. . Being inept is that a all time high in the San Francisco politics Everybody hired and making decisions in San Francisco government management level. The major requirement is incompetence and complete out of touch with reality. .

[@daviddesrosiers1946]

This building is the perfect metaphor for the city. Looks great from a distance, but stay upwind of it.

[@Rightly_Divided]

Well. It is a good representation of what this millennium is. Crooked.

[@Strangleyourfriend]

FYI: “flushable wipes” isn’t actually flushable. They kinda disintegrate, but not in the same way as toilet paper does. Sewage facilities HATES flushable wipes because they have to fish them out and toss them out separately. Otherwise they’d clog up their system = no clean water. “Flushable wipes” is just a marking scheme like detox tea. Throw them in regular garbage, NOT in your toilet. The only thing that should be flushed are bodily waste (urine, poo and puke) and regular toilet paper. Nothing else, not even kitchen paper towels or “flushable” cat litter.

[@sgtpepperz25]

I worked in a high rise and the tilt combined with non-flushable items is a problem. And I can tell you some tenants just don't listen when you tell them they can't flush certain items.

[@kirkmitchell2468]

thats right blame on the wipes.hahhaahahahahahaha

[@TVHouseHistorian]

You are 100% correct. What people don't realize here is that there are two concurrent issues at play here: #1 moron residents using "flushable" wipes in a tower which has a very complex sewage drain system, and #2 the tilting problem. It's so easy for people to blame it all on the tilt.

[@JoeOvercoat]

@@kirkmitchell2468You might want to work on your reading comprehension.

[@kirkmitchell2468]

@@JoeOvercoat Ok I will ELMER FUDD.

[@dingytv538]

@sgtpepper. Democrats are so use to doing anything they want and not getting called out for that if they want to flush tampons n condoms n plastic bags etc, they can ...skin color is all they care about..

[@Chronically_JBoo]

You cannot pay me enough to live in that keaning tower of disaster. These people NEED TO RUN ASAP!!!

[@ropro9817]

Time to tear it down!

[@v.a.993]

At this point, this building just needs to be condemned as uninhabitable and torn down. No tenants should have ever moved back in.--the city should not have allowed it. Condo owners and management cut your losses let go. Condo owners move out. Yes, the views of the city are gorgeous, but there are other high-rise buildings with beautiful views. Management just throw in the towel...the building is a loss.

[@mrsdraper171]

Why would you continue to live there? It going to collapse sooner or later. Move out and sue them.

[@williamhaynes7089]

You would continue to live there becauyse theese are CONDOS not just rental units... You bought the place and have money invested in building... The 'rental' lady in video rents from one of the 100's of owners... she can leave

[@てくたく]

Usually the developer files for bankruptcy when stuff like this happens and bails.

[@SquidzitAce]

I didn't know people were still living inside that building!

[@tmc200527]

I didn't even think of that. All the plumbing is now at the same angle of tilt. So each unit will be different depending on the waste pipe direction. If your units waste pipe is at the bottom of the tilt you'll have standing waste in the pipes.

[@tuanivando9634]

Walk away let the bank foreclosure your home. You will never be able to sell these condos even if they fix it.

[@zesolodar]

and then not be able to buy a home in the next decade at best. if you goto foreclosure the chances of getting a mortgage any time soon are slim to none and even if you do the interest rates will cripple you. lenders dont care about the situation that caused it

[@JoeOvercoat]

A comment above notes that four units sold in the last month. Go figure.

[@williamhaynes7089]

@@JoeOvercoat well anyone buying this has faith in the fix that Hamburger is doing....

[@markelman198]

At this point count your losses and tear the dam thing down. They already tried to fix the tilt with $100million +, tilt got worse, now the plumbing is screwed. Sound like it would have been cheaper to demolish and start from scratch. It’s not like this building is an important historical landmark worth saving.

[@newbengraham4775]

that collapse is going to be amazing

[@sprockethead2047]

The building is going to fall and people will be killed while the "engineers" that are supposedly fixing the lean are calmly telling everyone not to worry, it's actually starting to straighten up. I agree with others here, the tenants should be reimbursed, and the building disassembled, before it "disassembles" itself.

[@bamby5211]

They are not taking any action other than trying to basically put a bandaid on events/problems as they arrise. Sad that they are not being more proactive and concerned for the people that reside in this failed structure. Unfortunate that a disaster/possible collapse will be the endgame for their inaction.

[@FlynnAlek]

Bruh on top of that, imagine how frustrating hanging pictures on a wall must be.

[@propblast82nd]

You would think residents of San Francisco would be used to living in poop 💩 by now .

[@pigboykool]

The tower is falling, I would NOT live in this building even if people pay me! 😐😐😐

[@BENCHPRESS_247]

Property damage? People are going to die

[@Ed-uz6em]

Why would anyone live in that building? Another catastrophe waiting to happen. 29 inches in tilt…how is that even allowed by the city to be habitable?

[@user-sw2wv1zx1t]

Reasons to break the lease legally….

[@SuiteVII]

These are purchased and they pay monthly HOA fees

[@mikewnuk4157]

I call shenanigans, if the building is 645 feet tall and is tilting 29 inches at the top, the angle of tilt is 0.215 degrees, or a 1/266 inch per foot slope of pipe change from level. Well below the minimum 1/16 inch per foot for 8" or larger pipe per code (IPC2015). If there was any backup, the plumbing subcontractor would have had to have installed their drainage piping incorrectly and this problem would have been apparent at beginning of occupancy. The tilt of the building has a negligible effect on the sanitary lines.

[@cattigereyes1]

It’s called time to Move,

[@satyricon65]

Look, this will not get any better. Take an "L" and remove the building before things get worse.

[@briannadickson2884]

Their interiors look like project apartments from the 90's. How much did they pay for this 🤔

[@sleepyjoe1685]

These people are crazy if they pay money to stay there.

[@williamhaynes7089]

how would you SELL and leave, no one wants to buy your unit

[@btjazzfann]

I've been watching this story unfold for a while. The blame game and pompous rhetoric continues to no end.

[@BlacksRuinEverything]

Hw much longer until this thing finally falls over. That's what I'm looking forward to. I can't wait.

[@The_Real_Chris]

As always…the mistakes of a few become the problems of many

[@solenoidnull9542]

As always, the mistakes of the rich become paid for by the taxes of the poor.

[@eraldway]

It just blows my mind that people still flush wipes down the toilet.

[@DanielRojas-nw3mv]

Just Demo the whole tower and start again 🧐

[@AJxxxxxxxx]

😂 how long are they going to pretend it’s not an issue, they keep pretending like this is all normal

[@fillup40]

Caused by greed.

[@jimh4375]

The perfect representation of what's going on in SF.

[@charq52]

Why are people still living in the tower? I would think that would be risky.

[@francismarion6400]

No more risky than walking down the street there.

[@ryanbarker5217]

they're in SF, where are they all going to go? who are they going to sell it to without taking a huge loss, the difference of which they have to pay?

[@daveclark8337]

Because they can't sell their condos. Who's going to buy one now?

[@charq52]

@@ryanbarker5217 If it falls down they pay with their very life!

[@charq52]

@@daveclark8337 I'd just walk away. I don't want the building to fall down and I die.....Look at the Condo in Miami a year ago and now the apartment building in Davenport....

[@PaulRubino]

I wouldn't deal with "brown water" bubbling up in my kitchen sink and onto the floor. I would sue. Has anybody tested the water? If it contains human waste you're dealing with a health crisis.

[@psgame2kify]

If you’re renting a condo, then just give keys back to owner and move out. But if you spent $2+million buying one of the units, you are in big trouble. You can’t get rid of it unless you file for bankruptcy.

[@thehunterkirsch]

They need to demolish the tower before it falls over. I hope the tenants can get compensated for this. Greedy developers are just pointing fingers

[@myolox]

Lol, community sewage lord have mercy. Building tilting like that is screaming for a cleanse! With all those issue that building has, I would be packing my bags.

[@francismarion6400]

Sell them parachutes!

[@artistmi5361]

They need to stop being greedy and put this building out it’s misery and demolish it already. It’s been leaning for years and no proper fix.

[@deplorablesunited7168]

They built it on top of 1906 earthquake rubble

[@sanjuansteve]

A 197 m tall building leaning 1 m is a 0.3 degree angle. No plumbing in the world is designed with such small slopes that 0.3 degrees would make any impact. This is a poor worksmanship issue, not a building tilt issue.

[@arthurfidas7254]

The developers NEED to raze and and rebuild this entire building from scratch before all its inhabitants DIE! This is a tragedy waiting to happen

[@chrislawrence6262]

yes, at a certian tilt , the drains will not work correctly and will back up to the low side. this means the tilt is continuing. next the elevators will start faulting out and jamming