Million dollar fire truck mistake

[@rb810810]

According to the video, the city has 40 fire stations and one new truck doesn't fit in one of them. I want 4 minutes of my life back...

[@zz449944]

I agree. A non-story. A tiny mistake in the grand scheme of things. So, put a different number on the rig and assign it to a different station house. End of Story, almost no money or manhours wasted.

[@KandiKlover]

And they wonder why Trump won when all they do is make up bullshit to air.

[@poppiarlin5612]

This was a factory demo. It should not have cost that much money and when you are purchasing millions of dollars in apparatus the cost shouldn’t be near as much.

[@poppiarlin5612]

zz449944 So where does the apparatus stay? Outside? Great for Detroit. Do you realize how much the equipment on these apparatus cost? Do you think it will be safe? If this unit is an advanced EMS unit it also carries drugs which have to be locked and maintained in a temperature controlled environment. Let’s see Detroit is far north. What about an apparatus sitting outside during freezing temperatures or snow and ice? You are incorrect. This is a huge mistake.

[@poppiarlin5612]

Lisa Ault The more apparatus you purchase the more discount you receive. This is far too expensive considering it is a used apparatus and this wasn’t the only equipment purchased.

[@ABMP4D3]

What a bunch of nonsense you get a crew of people who are trying to provide the city with proper fire protection, with decent equipment, and one mistake with putting a truck that does not fit in a station turns into a sensationalized story? A couple of years ago they were reporting on the beat up stuff they were running, and they fixed the situation and the media makes a story out of the solution?

[@Poop-nu1so]

ABMP4D3 lollll

[@whocares.20]

Exactly.. nit picking hungry news stations attacking Detroit.. again. Best to delete all news stations from your favorites list. What news do you really get from a news station that uses adverts to make money??

[@philipcarter7023]

They bought a demo truck, meaning that it was already fully built and also possibly could have been slightly discounted. Custom ordering trucks can take a pretty significant amount of time. Still probably should have measured, but this isn’t as serious as they’re trying to make it seem - assuming that the firehouse it was originally meant for received an appropriate replacement for it.

[@howardc.7649]

My local mid- sized city department had a similar problem - the downtown station located where the tall building are that a tower wouild be useful for could not fit the Tower. The newer station at the city limit could. A brand new big headquarters station was built. Very nice. fits the tower. You don't back in either, you drive around back and drive in the read door. New for us!

[@robertwalton7307]

Blah blah blah. Dozens of old stations are altered every year to fit bigger vehicles.More real news in a minute.

[@KandiKlover]

I like how every time the director guy is shown they make the video monochrome. Whatna fucking joke.

[@CITYNEWSSUPPORT]

So What Make It Fit! Past Administrations Would Have Paid 2 Million For The Truck And Taken A Million Kick Back!

[@malcolmcossar6447]

I came upon this story after seeing it before on you tube and I completely agree with most of the other comments.There is no Controversy!DFD has a New Modern Platform and Much needed other New Ladders,Squads,and Engines!Report on That Channel 7!It's always Negative news or in this case No News at All!

[@cageordie]

BFD. All this garbage about a truck that didn't fit in one garage. So now it works fine somewhere else. So what made that news worthy? Idiots. This was a $50 mistake, the cost of having it at the wrong station for a few hours.

[@poppiarlin5612]

cageordie If you look into the story I believe you will discover it would not fit into any station that housed an aerial. Placing the apparatus into a station that doesn’t have an aerial device is a no no.

[@firebpm4977]

Heres a thought..... how effing old is the station they are trying to put modern apparatus into????

[@cdodge2996]

Maybe they thought it would fit in the two man pulled hose wagon bays they still had...

[@gregoryk.9815]

Brian Messier knowing Detroit it probably has a horse stable out back still

[@lmccluer]

Exactly! I began as a cadet in a public safety depot, police/Fire combined. Luckily, our city thought of the fact that trucks would get bigger and bigger as time went on. Most fire depts are still operating out of old buildings that were built for 50-60’s aged trucks, so naturally newer trucks, especially ladder/tower trucks won’t fit. So what! Spend the money the cheap way and raise the roof, extend the bays! Better yet, build stations that will fit growing depts with both vehicle and manpower growing. As depts grow, they will need more office space, more kitchen, bed since, more inside training space. Do like most stations do, plan ahead, not behind. Hell of a lot cheaper to plan and get today’s price, instead of ten or more years down the road.

[@BulletNoseBetty]

The story of the fire truck that was too big reminds me of another similar story. I work in the funeral industry. In one funeral home, the owner bought a new stretch limousine at a trade show. It was cash on the table right there and then. In the interest of fairness, we really did need a new vehicle. Alan brought it back that day and discovered it was 9 inches longer than the garage. Because the car was a demonstrator, it was a "final sale"--no return. At least we ended up with a VERY nice limousine at a fabulous price. (BTW, that company has now moved to a new facility with a bigger garage.)

[@farmertyler8087]

A town next to me bought a ladder truck that couldn’t fit under their bridges

[@veralenora7368]

Decades ago (this is a cute story) Detroit decided to see if they could make some money by "cleaning out the closets" so to speak. They found a brand new horse drawn fire truck that had been purchased just before the decision was made to motorize. Now (then) a valuable antique it sold for over a million dollars. Yeah. Clean out your closets.

[@scotts5084]

At least the apparatus is being utilized for its intended use, saving lives and property.

[@ricktacularrick7928]

Scott S it has been relocated, but to my knowledge, last I heard has not been comissioned...

[@Wa3ypx]

This happens all the time in departments across the country. Alter the station or switch with another company.

[@jed-henrywitkowski6470]

A sign promoting a politician on the lawn while the owner's house burns. A tragic juxtaposition and yet, quite apt.

[@290wayne]

We had the same thing when we ordered a fire boat... The county sent a Bat. Chief to approve the boat when it was finished... His first question was where is the booster tank..DUH! it sits in the Chesapeake Bay! DUH!

[@911emergencyvehicles8]

20 million dollars is not enough... but Detroit has been buying a lot of new trucks!

[@NYRM1974]

If I was the Mayor there would be a 4 year overhaul plan of the fire department with new fire houses equipment and better training. This would also include Police and EMS as well. Public safety should never be short changed.

[@brucenadeau2172]

gment detroit is recovering from several years of miss managment

[@NYRM1974]

@@brucenadeau2172 it's not mismanagement it's outright corruption and Public Safety planning is totally out the window at the expense of the residents of Detroit who pay taxes

[@Astinsan]

Adapt the bay.. it’s not a big deal. It’s done all the time with volunteer fire stations all over the country where they get second hand equipment. My local station had to add an additional 15’ to the front to fit two used trucks from California.

[@poppiarlin5612]

Jason Brooks First of all it’s an overpriced used platform. On top of that you want to modify the station and add to the cost? How crazy is that? The fire commissioner used to work for this company. It is obviously an issue with conflict of interest in buying equipment that don’t fit and now you want to pay more money to modify the station? This is not A volunteer department..

[@BoojSportsCards]

Ladder 17 got it, so its fine. It went to another firehouse.

[@Geoff_G]

Old fire halls often are too short. A demo model fire truck likely has bare bones wheels and tires. A set of low profile ones will probably make it fit. It's how we did it.

[@poppiarlin5612]

Geoff Gowans It isn’t that easy. If your department did that’s not a smart move especially for an apparatus that is heavy.

[@SkashTheKitsune]

"oh shit, we didn't do general maintenance and repurchases regularly, now we need to spend multimillion for replacing everything..." "oh shit, our big ticket item won't fit, now people are questioning other items we purchased"

[@BeytekinConstructionMachinery]

Don't create such "scandals"! Support your first responders my dear news colleagues. That's a most better way.

[@equipment-enthusiast]

Simply amazing on what the news will report on in Detroit! I'm glad I don't live there. Hey news ppl it could just be a simple mistake as in they went to the wrong station and took a measurement!

[@ricktacularrick7928]

Alan Walker74 the only other local thing to report on is the occasional weekend event, the status of the GM building, and murders. lots and lots of murders. To the people of Michigan, this is probably a nice change of pace.

[@cdodge2996]

Good point sir.

[@ffjsb]

There IS a story here, and it has nothing to do with a ladder not fitting in a station. It has to do with someone getting to be a Fire Commissioner, that has no business being one.

[@poppiarlin5612]

You guys see the real problem

[@frankwilliams612]

@steve b p

[@matthewwelch8839]

Life support And hospice are about the same

[@grandwaha]

Firefighter know what they want and need as long as the city plays along. This is exactly what happens when you bring an "EXPERT in that is not a firefighter for that area

[@gearshifterg9756]

Meanwhile, back on the farm, Timmy & Lassie have located an abandoned well and believe there is a animal trapped at the bottom.............

[@tuebor1837]

Should read "DFD needs upgraded stations to meet apparatus needs." What a nothing burger of a story. It didn't fit in its INITIAL firehouse, and a solution is in place. Get lives.

[@justa4banger149]

Wow. Im all about defending against thugs but this is petty.

[@aBMWEnthusiast]

Why are these types of vehicles not standardized? It would make sense for every modern era fire truck to fit every fire dept.

[@jerryupp239]

Classic example of people not paying attention to necessary details

[@302ECKO]

So they had old faulty equipment and decided to buy some that works properly. What’s the problem?

[@iamnotamushroom2880]

Body Armor?

[@maadam5503]

Omg this happens all the time.

[@iamnotamushroom2880]

Really? Well, it is Detroit. I guess it's not all that surprising.

[@joewoodchuck3824]

Just get one of the hoop buildings with the heavy duty tarp material.

[@unklebobosaurus]

Okay they order a truck that was too large for "it's assigned garage"... doesn't Detroit have other fire halls it can fit into. I park my truck outside every night, I'm sure it could sit in a driveway.

[@Viking_6_3]

They are seriously pissed off that the rig didnt fit in the station? A slight construction change would have fixed it.

[@galexander9857]

This issue happens in Toronto, Canada all the time LOLIn one case, the new engine is too long and won't fit in the short apparatus bay

[@Eddie-ev9bv]

There is a growing need for ever increasing engine sizes and the common sense approach would be to build a bigger fire station. But of course common sense is not very common these days! the news reporters have FA to worry about if this is all they have to report on!

[@freddy915]

Want to use a bucket and water and get a horse-drawn carriage with a hand pump and maybe they will shut the hell up about complaining about a new fire truck it won't fit

[@poppiarlin5612]

Freddy It’s a new overpriced apparatus that doesn’t fit. If the price is no object then why not sell it to them at 2 million or maybe 3 million?

[@df446]

What's in dispute exactly? Very poor report.

[@WootTootZoot]

slow news day

[@poppiarlin5612]

steve b Are you sure it will fit in any station?

[@mr.l6615]

"Bringing experience from jobs around the country". Apparently none of those jobs was measuring things or doing due diligence.

[@dylanpeterson3490]

I'm curious as to how much 'Burn' helped Detroit FD. Seems like it put the pressure on to revamp the whole thing.

[@poppiarlin5612]

This sounds like the Augusta Fire Department in Augusta Ga.

[@jerryupp239]

Next time before getting another fire truck you might want to make sure you have a building for it to sit in when it's not in use

[@jerryupp239]

This is called use of COMMON SENSE.

[@timex513]

really the story is someone who dosent know the job is in charge. but that's typical upper management.

[@Harley365]

The fire trucks are worth more than the whole city lol

[@Americansiciliangirl]

Insurance companies should pay they save money if a of Fire departmentf saves a structure oe

[@redeyetrucker67]

Sounds to me like they did it on purpose now they have an excuse to build new fire stations in order more trucks. And that chief that did the ordering probably still owns stock in the truck companies who used to work for. Be honest it's Detroit, someone's getting kickbacks

[@powderriver2424]

They bought a demonstrator that alone saved money. Do you know how much a fire truck costs? most are custom builds based on parameters etc etc bit the average pumper truck can cost 400K the costs are astronomical.

[@garybanglebangle7949]

Still is ad stupid does. Need a new truck. Make sure it fits.

[@scottfoster2487]

You have to hire a exspert to make better decisions,wastefull, get the men fighting the fires to make the decisions as they are the real exsperts!

[@kelly806]

So lets interview a former prosecutor about a fire department issue. Way to go media.

[@600joe]

If Detroit had people that could pay taxes, the equipment could be changed more frequently.

[@brucenadeau2172]

the problem was mayor city bureau

[@kyleszarzynski4474]

People even look at the military spending?

[@whocares.20]

Now there is a hole that needs some light shed on it for sure ! Where is my receipt for federal taxes spent? Where is the accountability there??? Screw your war machines, the only terrorists out there were created by the govt., so they can keep that gold flowing in there brass ass's. The US govt. and many others are the REAL criminals. “Taxation without representation is tyranny.”. Remember that you idiots (govt. officials)? How about care for seniors? Education for youngsters????? 1% of that tax dollar re-directed would do wonders.

[@chrisj197438]

Meanwhile sheriff departments buy tanks and 3 helicopters no one asking questions

[@mcchickenvlogs]

Just buy all the old Boston trucks there phasing out

[@daniels.3062]

You couldn't punish the guy responsible even if you wanted. He's a union rep.

[@briangilbert7345]

So they by a demo model that is cheaper than a spec truck, and put the numbers on it prior to measuring? When they find out it doesnt fit, the simply re assign it to a different fire house, who's truck ALSO needed replacing....and somehow this is a million dollar mistake? They draw heavily on this deputy's past, but cant even link the model to his former company or prove that he had kick backs...its not like there are even THAT many choices for fire trucks....this happens frequently in large departments with old stations and small budgets. You save a TON of money and time by buying a model rig.

[@poppiarlin5612]

Brian Gilbert Not when you purchase several apparatus at one time. This unit cost entirely too much for a factory demo. You may think it is a small issue but if you cannot get this right then it explains why Detroit is a broke city.

[@jasonharper2601]

CAN WE SAY KICK BACK

[@WootTootZoot]

Hind sight is always 20/20. If all of these talking head "experts" knew what they were talking about maybe they'd actually have real jobs. Facts are, Detroit fire stations and trucks are in sad shape. Money fixes problems, simple as that.

[@DaleDix]

What a load of shit. Put the thing somewhere else. Problem solved.

[@rolandmoreno3526]

Fire everybody

[@johnsradios484]

But it was used in another fire house.

[@garykolo8650]

Where did they end up putting it ?

[@MessOfThings]

It went to the scrap heap

[@ricktacularrick7928]

went to a new station, an to my knowledge, hasn't been commissioned yet

[@bem121]

kickbacks

[@kfstreich4787]

Must have been a slow news week. Next week, every morning after his second cup of coffee the mayor heads to a private stall and with the door closed lays a #2, tax dollars wasted!

[@detroitbred6558]

But it's ok for nyfd to spend $17 million on a river boat to fight fire?

[@chrisburke6652]

What a load of tripe

[@CVD-di1xn]

Not even news worthy.

[@cdodge2996]

SERIOUSLY! Who gives a shit. It's Detroit! They have a new truck, a brand new truck at a discount! Embarrassing, yes, needs investigation, NO. Work it out, it fit somewhere right, and replaced something from the 80s that wouldn't even pass pump tests... There are only a few companies that actually make a good truck also, get off dude's ass, damn!

[@HighOnLife1985]

How about stop hogging all the taxpayers money and give it to the municipals that protect us everyday. Build a firehouse for the ladder truck or refurb one to make the fit. Either way, that ladder truck will probably be needed.

[@danielrose1392]

Where was a million dollar wasted? They reassigned the trucks, probably required some additional training and done.

[@bobbrown3288]

And this is news

[@trouble6369]

I'll give ya 900 bucks cash for it

[@sirenbrewingco.3235]

Weak story, someone should discipline Simon for trying to rake the fire department across the coals. 😡

[@Quadflash]

Ordinary clickbait. Nothing to see.

[@NebukedNezzer]

Liberalism run amok.

[@mattteixeira2788]

Sounds like cluster fuck

[@joeschlotthauer840]

Dismantle the non bias committee that has measurements of every Firehouse in the city, and turn it over to a former salesman of the companies he once represented, makes sense to me.

[@bnsfbandit9807]

Lights, sirens *they show a light*

[@TheOfficialNickPlays]

shiny head

[@yixnorb5971]

OMG

[@mic-drop-74]

Time to pull out the detroit fire department and letter burn down

[@LJT7907]

And they wonder why they're not getting anybody to move to Detroit and the town is still going bankrupt because of stupidity like this

[@videoman7659]

They don’t put out fires in Detroit. (Day twa)

[@jpalm32]

What liberal politics at it's finest

[@jeffc999]

Is anyone in government held responsible for anything?

[@jamesford7182]

Dave Fornel, "Captain Dave" has been a scam artist in the fire apparatus industry for ages. Having worked with the man, I can assure you that he only has his personal interest at the top of his list. As a sales person, he could piss off a customer faster than anyone I had met. As a fellow employee, he had delusions of grandeur that he had been gifted with all of the answers. If he was on an expense account he would order a $200.00 breakfast when the hotel had a free breakfast buffet, just because he could. I remember the first meeting he attended. He came in telling us how he could revolutionize the way we operated because he was the smartest man in the room. Meanwhile, everyone else in the room knew he was full of shit and that he had been hired merely to grease the skids for a major purchase he would have no part in. It is fitting that he finish his career in the industry's shit hole.