Milwaukee VS Stihl

[@Bobsdecline]

Hey all! There was a lot of comments on the video of the dual chainsaw from the pipeline questioning the integrity of the challenge. No questioning here! My favorite gas saw and Stephan's Beast go head to head. In the end, Milwaukee's battery is a fierce competitor!

[@rock_machine01]

How long did the Forge batteries last?

[@Bobsdecline]

@rock_machine01 I'm kicking myself for not showing in the vid.... Only thought of it after posting; the batteries were both still full bars

[@Failure_Is_An_Option]

They both have their place. I've watched enough competent arborist picking up electric at ever increasing frequencies. The majority of the work is not actually felling. It's delimbing. Cuts well under 4". Man is it nice to have silence between cuts. Greatly improves comms with fellow crew.

[@thomasfriedmann8522]

Good to see the chain pop off. Brings to mind the key safety point of always checking chain tension after a few cuts with brand new chain.

[@mgkleym]

It's pretty incredible what modern batteries can do. I'm not sure how viable this would be for say a tree crew but for anyone else it seems hard to justify the gas saw. Between the finickiness of small engines and their carbs and the ability to just throw the saw in the back of a van or suv and not have it fill up with gas fumes it's hard to justify the gas saw if you don't need the run time it provides.

[@SnowIsMyTerrain]

They're pretty great. I've got a ported MS500i and I'll use my electric saw over that often if I'm just doing a few things, especially stuff like cutting a few small trees out of a road. That said, as soon as you're doing more than that, the big saw is lightyears faster.

[@Failure_Is_An_Option]

Then go watch some arborist... Because a whole lot of them run electric. Makes for a much better work environment too.

[@IceBergGeo]

You're always going to have a gas can around if you've got a gas saw. Why wouldn't you have spare batteries around if you've got electric? Can always run a generator if you like gas fumes hanging around ... Then again, more and more work trucks have a 120V outlet to charge up the spare batteries.

[@causarumcognitio]

@@IceBergGeoDuring the last hurricane, our power went out before it was even really close to us. Like 6 or 7 hours before the eye was closest, which was way earlier than when we usually lose power. But we had fiber optic internet so there was no need of a repeater further up the cable like with comcast, which would alway go out. So we used our M18 batteries and the M18 inverter to power up the fiber modem and wifi router to be able to use the internet and stream the local news station throughout the hurricane. After that we were without power for 4 days but had a 120 volt plug in a ford escape so a couple times a day I would just back the car out and charge the batteries. It was the only modern convenience we got but it made the 4 days so much easier to get through by not living as if it was the 1800s. And while generators have their place, I can’t take a generator out in the middle of a hurricane. It’s just an ancillary benefit to why we use Milwaukee tools, but it’s those batteries are worth their weight in gold when you need them. I’ll never forget the first day I did construction when the little 2000 watt generator broke that I needed for grinding on a military base and had to walk 200 yards every 15 minutes to recharge a junky big-box-store brand battery in humid 102* heat. I would have been more productive if I’d gone home, grabbed my batteries and charger and went to Home Depot to but a cordless grinder.

[@blueoval250]

@@Failure_Is_An_Optionthen they have an entire truck load of batteries.

[@paulf2529]

The battery kit both stihl and husquvarna is not as durable or long lasting as petrol machines. The multitude of switches, motor and control boards makes it impossible to trouble shoot. I invested in a battery chainsaw and a pole saw and both of these are now broken and beyond economic repair, after two years of use. My stihl 046 is 22 years old and still runs like the day i bought it.

[@simonm1447]

I have 2 older Stihl petrol saws (026 and 460) too, however if you get any new Stihl today it has an electronic controlled carburettor and the 500i even gas an injection system. If there is a fault with such a saw on electronic equipment you can't repair it on site anyways. I also have the Makita 353, an 18 Vx2 saw similar to the Milwaukee but a little bit smaller, older and less powerful. It's still my favourite saw now for work within its limits, it's relatively inexpensive and quite handy to use. Makita has now a bigger, more powerful one, but the 40 V batteries are quite expensive.

[@UpInYourFeelings]

You ever thought about warranty claim? Funny so many people spend all this money on battery tools but never do warranty repairs.

[@paulf2529]

@@UpInYourFeelings My dealer is a distance away, so you need to account for time driving to drop off and collect a faulty tool. Even then it could well be in for a few weeks. The petrol kit simply works and I can diagnose and fix it with ease, I can get most parts within about 3 days. Like I say my 22 year old stihl o46 is used every couple of weeks, often more frequently and works perfectly, in the time I've owned it nothing more in maintenance than a carb rebuild, clutch springs and the odd spark plug or pull cord.

[@late0404]

Hey Aaron love the video man. You always speak so highly of safety and given people a gentle reminder when you see something unsafe so please don’t take this as a critique or negative. Instead just a friendly observation. When messing with the chain on that saw it it’s important to take a battery out style like a gas saw gas so won’t accidentally start while your hands on chain, need to keep those digits,m healthy lotta people relying on you to keep their power on keep up the good work. PS When it comes to chainsaws a big part of performance is in the chain design and obviously sharpness lol but I would like to see all the saws with the same chain

[@Wayne-fu9qz]

Wow, They both have their best place. I have a PROYAMA chainsaw from amazon,it is also good,I am impressed! Ihave run brand names for many many years and I cut very large trees of all kinds, I am impressed with this saw! Ir starts super easy and runs great. I ran 7 tanks on some very large hard maple and some red oak and it did just fine non stop but to fill. the stock chain did fine. I did touch it up before I ever started and set the guides my way, it ran like butter on it all. I didnt have any dirt to deal with so the chain stayed sharp. I then put a 8ten chain on and it ran just the same, no issues at all. the only thing i did have a issue with was the rubber gasket under the fuel cap, it swelled, wrong rubber, but contacted proyama and they sent out new caps with O rings on them and have not had any leaks.They are very open to input on this as to improve anything and also assured me if I hve any issues they will be there and make it right! very good response from the seller. I am now running this at 40:1 and it is doing just fine. I run used motor oil for the bar, no issues. I have run used motor oil in my saws for bar oil for over 20 years and it works great. This saw is a good one! I recommend the PROYAMA chainsaw.

[@DigitalIP]

While i love battery operated tools, the main thing you have to consider is how much a battery costs *which you NEED Multiples of* in addition to how much it costs to charge them every day compared to the amount of Gas needed for each use. My idea would be to use the Battery powered tools first until you run out of batteries and then use the gas saws for whatever is left (in places that havent banned Gas tools that is). Either way, there are pros and cons to both.

[@robertmeyer4744]

That was great ! Them new battery saws are super ! I have the DeWalt 60V one. Super quit cuts logs super fast . The battery saws are great for work at 2 AM when them storms come thru. That was a lot of cuts on battery . That is common for a new chain to stretch at first.

[@jd3497]

How much battery run time is lost when draining the two batteries flat out at zero degrees or below?

[@IceBergGeo]

They'll warm up quick enough if you're using them to the point of worrying about power loss. They might be a bit sluggish until they do warm up, if they've been sitting in the cold the whole time.

[@AndrewBrowner]

was around 0C the other day here and my m18 stuff wouldnt charge.. had to take all the batteries and chargers in the house and hit them with the blowdryer before theyd start taking a charge.. at 0c it wasnt -40c it was just an average autumn day i wasnt cold but the batteries were useless if i didnt have a warm house to put them in

[@JamesCusano]

I haven’t really noticed much (if any) runtime loss in below freezing temps with my Milwaukee chainsaws, but they don’t usually hit full power output until I make a small cut or two to warm up the batteries. They charge in the cold if you slap them on the charger right after depleting them, but you have to throw them in the truck or house to warm up first if they’re already cold.

[@MikeBucceroni]

I'm curious how it runs without the forge batteries. I know they are more powerful than the regular batteries that I presume are what's stocked on your truck

[@Joetechlincolns]

When it comes to chainsaws or any SHTF tool or piece of equipment, one is none and two is one. Always have back up

[@danieldawson347]

Great comparison video, thanks for that

[@simonm1447]

Interesting to see the evolution of electric chainsaws. I use the Makita 353 since a couple of years, which is like a small version of this Milwaukee. It's surely not as powerful since it still uses 18650 cells within the LXT system but it's still remarkably powerful for its age (I use it since 7 years). Makita now has a more powerful one too on the 40 V base but here the batteries are still quite costly.

[@publicmail2]

Curious what the decline means?

[@brucefay5126]

And who the heck is “Bob?”

[@IceBergGeo]

He's got earlier videos on why his channel is named as it is. I'd go back and search, but I'll let you do it. Shouldn't take but a moment.

[@photocontrol]

Great comparison between the battery and gas saws! The new Milwaukee has good power for sure!

[@brucefay5126]

I just bought a Milwaukee M18 Fuel leaf blower, dual M18 batteries. For home use, it is much more convenient than my gasoline backpack blower. My corded Toro blower finally failed two days ago; I have to unplug it to turn it off. Probably had it for 30 - 40 years, so I got my money’s worth.

[@wattheheck6010]

Where is the Milwaukee saw made? Are the gears all metal? Fancy demo and contest. Love Milwaukee Tools!

[@Hwb415]

Love the battery saws especially the pole saw. We still keep oir gas saws around for storms when they are running for hours. Csnt beat the reliability but having quiet saws for most day to day and call out stuff is super hamdy

[@СергейСергеевич-м7в]

Ну видно же было когда ты на время пилил 261 , то несколько секунд придерживал шину над деревом , прежде чем начать пилить.

[@robinverbridge4900]

A big advantage of the battery saw is disregarded when the cold start is being conducted on the gas saw! As soon as the hand of the gas saw operator touches the pull cord, the battery saw operator should be allowed to start cutting! THAT would be an accurate comparison of the two saws! Personally l like both but my battery saw is only 36 volt!

[@redsquirrelftw]

That saw is impressive. I have a Greenworks 80v which is very good but considering this is less than half the voltage it really puts out lot of power.

[@Tihiroprjckuh9000]

Пила хорошая, и там действительно есть 70 сс.

[@gfy2979]

I got an electric mower and power has not been an issue but not having a second battery is. The thing cuts, but the design was bad and would not discharge grass easy and became clogged. I operate it without the cover plate and it works fine but safety glasses are a must and keeping others clear

[@gfy2979]

also not walking behind raw gas fumes anymore too!

[@mattrybacki189]

Like to see a rematch with the 12ah forge batteries...

[@rhodium69]

Great video for sure and I wonder hot the battery is going to hold up in the heat and cold weather. Sure beats mixing gas and oil especially for small work , I think we have a winner boys.

[@jolyonwelsh9834]

Which one weighs less?

[@Bobsdecline]

With batteries on, the Milwaukee is heaviest

[@TlVseri]

My local fire department is using a lot of m 18 power chain saws , stored on their Fire trucks. I wasn’t too happy with my m18 chain saw vs gas? I’m sure that BC hydro too, has a lot of M1 8 equipment, stored on their service bucket trucks.

[@razy7609]

More of an Echo guy myself, Japanese do stuff well.

[@jeffreykornspan9053]

Nice demo Aaron.

[@jolyonwelsh9834]

Thank God for Milwaukee tools. I'll never ever own another two stroke power tool again. I have always hated them with a passion.

[@cageordie]

I have a Husky 359 and an Echo 54 volt saw and 4 acres of trees. If it's a single 12" diameter tree I use the battery saw. It's much quicker and quieter to get from the wall to the tree being logs. But the Husky is over 20 years old and has cost nothing in repairs. I wonder if the Echo will need a new $250 battery in the next 20 years.

[@davids6557]

Petrol chainsaw all day long, electric chainsaw for the odd branch until the expensive batteries need charged and then replaced a few years later.

[@nicke1903]

Or in a disaster and you can't charge the batteries, they have a place but FAR from replacing gas saws.

[@ericcox6764]

Hey Aaron, I definitely thought about you yesterday. I was watching a video where this guy took 16 cordless drills and connected them, 2 at a time together, and let them battle until one of the drills was toast. As a woodworker, I'm a Bosch user, and I felt pretty good on a solid 3rd place finish. But, Milwaukee dominated the competition by ripping the heads off of any drill that it went up against. They really do make some good tools. As horrible as it was to watch thousands of dollars worth of tools being purposely abused, I laughed until I was in tears 😂😂😂

[@martyisabeliever]

The MS261C is a 50 cc saw. try going up against a 500i

[@Bobsdecline]

The other saw used was a 441c. While it (and the 500i) I'm would would beat the battery overall... The battery was an extremely impressive competitor! It kept up with enough confidence for me to use it on some big trees!

[@johumm455]

I love electric motors !

[@brucefay5126]

DC electric motors can generate an enormous amount of torque.

[@jolyonwelsh9834]

Actually they use three phase induction motors with inverters.

[@JV-pu8kx]

Now compare the feel: weight, noise, and vibration.

[@DIGGER19860]

nm newton meters

[@brucefay5126]

The metric version of pound-feet, i.e., torque.

[@nateroth1302]

The comment you've been waiting for: Put Mr. Bar Bender on it and seed what happens and then try to find a new bar in the arctic circle... Also, the Bearded Monster needs subtitles for your those folks in Milwaukee...

[@Bobsdecline]

Ol' Johnny bar bender!!!

[@charliesullivan4304]

Are you going to be selling Bob's Decline branded rustic frisbees as gifts this season?

[@Bobsdecline]

I am now!!! 😂

[@EinGamer22]

Stihl for the win! Some if not all parts are made in Switzerland.

[@tlhIngan]

Nm is Newton-metres, the metric torque unit. It's not really "a unit" since it can be reduced (I think if you did all the unit work it's something like Watts (J/s) but such is case of torque units. It's why you have the imperial units pound-feet and foot-pounds to refer to torque and work, respectively. Metric decided to go with Newton-metres and Watts so you don't confuse the two (even though unit-wise, they are identical). After all, confusing foot-pounds and pound-feet is extremely common.

[@dillanagarwalla6100]

Newton meters measure work/energy and torque. Watts measure power, which is energy/work per unit time. Watts and Joules were not picked so you don't get confused and are not the same unit wise, they simply measure different things. 1 Newton-meter (Nm) equals 1 joule (J). 1 watt (W) equals 1 J/s.

[@TrollinCrazyRussian]

Carrying mixed gas is faster and lighter than carrying batteries or waiting for batteries to charge. Batteries also often overheat and self protection shut off. Gasser just keep running until you give it bad gas. Also bet that saw is bottom barrel stihl ms170 or something which is super weak.

[@whyerhead2]

Bob, how do i get ahold of you outside of youtube? I've got a video of someone attempting to be a darwin award winner in a substation i want you to see...

[@benjamhervin1131]

Nice video

[@binaryglitch64]

For chainsaws, Husqvarna 350i.

[@barney1941]

nm newton meters a unit of force

[@henryholliday1]

I would still take the gas saw

[@Shinedig]

Can’t. Touch Milwaukee wicked video

[@Hallo99-b8t]

Weight like a Stihl Contra from 1970😂

[@Peter_S_]

That's a beauty saw. 👍

[@therealjohnymexican]

nm= newton meters

[@michellepowell1956]

Stihl all the way.

[@John8910]

For around the house if you can afford it then sure battery. You can buy 3 gas saws for the price of that battery saw. For anything remotely professional or remote use. The battery option is a joke. Lets be real here...

[@simonm1447]

The Stihl 261 is also around 800 to 900 € even in EU where it's produced, and a Chinese knockoff is not the same. If you use the battery system anyways for other cordless machinery the cordless machine alone (without the batteries) is cheaper than a gas saw. The slightly smaller Makita one costs less than 200 € if you already have the battery system, you don't get any decent gas saw for that

[@John8910]

​@@simonm1447Wow the Stihl in the U.S is about 200 lb converted from U.S dollar. The cordless tools are considerably more. Not worth it in North America as the price of gas saws are very cheap. Guess it makes sense there. Plus the trees in North America are massive. Battery saw is just a toy.

[@simonm1447]

@@John8910 the trees in my own forest are not that huge, so my Makita 353 is sufficient for 2/3rd of the work. For the other stuff I have a 026 and a 460. Stihl also has a cordless saw, but the saws from general tool manufacturers are more interesting since they share the batteries with a lot of other tools, unlike a Stihl battery

[@unmanaged]

Marketing wank in the 9.5 nm thats only 7 foot lbs of force, the blade does the cutting.... your confused tone was what I was thinking

[@cliffordmontana4562]

Blade? There is no blade.

[@unmanaged]

Umm each tooth on the chain is a blade.

[@corypeacock556]

He just got the stihl last week and says its a beast and its his favorite

[@Bobsdecline]

Yes. It replaced my old one of the exact same model.

[@DanTaron-l5o]

let's compare how many cuts can be made in an day

[@Shinedig]

Nothing worse, bad gas

[@jonzimmerman427]

quit digging the doggs in and rocking the bar up and down. waste of time. just hold the saw out a bit and let it cut all the way thru going down...like cut number 3. so much faster.

[@Bobsdecline]

I agree, it was definitely faster! After the first cut, tried to maintain the same technique to keep it fair

[@LeeTillbury]

Battery chainsaws sound gay.

[@VictorHernandez-hv8qh]

First comment

[@rodgerhatfield3068]

All good till the batteries give out or they loose charge in the cold. No thanks. Pass. I’ll stick with gas. Ok for a few cuts maybe then back in the truck. Probably good for you and you don’t pay for it so double win

[@JasonEDragon]

I'm no big wood cutter, but in my limited experience in cutting up fallen branches, an electric chainsaw seems less demanding on batteries than a leaf blower. With a battery leaf blower, it seems that removal of battery heat is more of an issue during operation and recharging than batteries getting cold once outside. If the batteries are stored in the warm cab before use, then I wouldn't think that outside cold during use would be much of an issue for linemen. They do need their batteries to be ready for use in their other tools.

[@AndrewBrowner]

went out and cut over a cord of wood on a couple milwuakee batteries with their single battery unit last weekend.. had plenty more batteries could of filled the 3 cord trailer but the bar broke.. single rivet design on a .043 thick bar alot of people have issues with them.. looks like the dual battery unit has a much more substantial bar... if youre already invested in the battery lineup like most of us are you cant outwork the batteries/chargers... most of us accumulate 10 batteries and 5-6 chargers without trying theyll charge faster than you can deplete and lots of ways to charge them off grid

[@lucidmoses]

Personally I disagree with having the gas one started already as the main reason I went battery is all the non productive time trying to get gas things to start.

[@sam-ww1wk]

Ok, that's a practical shootout. Nice boys. So basically it about a 50-60cc equivelant. About up there with the rest of the nicer 20" batt saws. With respect, for safety I pull the battery before messing with the chain, just like an angle grinder or anything else that could cut your hands and face off. It's literally the same as adjusting the chain on a gas saw with it running.

[@Its_Esoteric]

Absolutely never go battery powered chainsaw