1610: Testosterone… The Hormone That Divides Us with Carole Hooven

[@maeganrae]

This was a really tough conversation to get into in the first place, especially with the topics trying to explain that stereotypes based on sex became stereotypes for a reason because on average, they're true. It's nothing to do with society and culture -- it's in our DNA. I commend all of you guys for discussing this topic that is considered taboo in the society we live in today. Special thanks to Carole as well for sharing her story and her knowledge! This episode totally convinced me to go check out her book :)

[@hazorhell1604]

I couldn't get enough of this conversation and topic. 10/10 Hope to see Carole Hooven back on the show. Thanks Guys

[@youngsuit]

1:12:00 - "i don't want masculinity to be toxic, i want the behaviors associated with that to be toxic" - this is spot on. there is a need for support groups for young men, that includes but is not limited to gyms and barber shops, but also other support groups that aren't taking over by people that support immoral behavior. support groups are typically thought of as a women's thing, but so long as we don't have proper outlets for young men, they'll keep getting caught up in gangs and scam artists.

[@Tonedog1990]

When Adam said his dad committed suicide. Damn that hit hard. Look at Adam now. He should be very proud of himself. What a man.

[@harrishansen9775]

God bless this channel. I'd still be the same depressed overweight guy force feeding chicken, rice, and broccoli and wondering why I wasn't reaching my goals. Appreciate the hell out of you guys, keep up the solid work!

[@akhilmelias]

This is by far in my opinion the most controversial podcast episode you guys have ever done. It’s so controversial that it made me uncomfortable listening some parts of it lol. Society has changed in such of a way that we can’t have conversations like this despite what we may believe. It certainly challenged me! With that being said I really enjoyed this episode because it was so controversial, if that makes any sense. It really opened up my mind on hormones and the reason why male/female in society behave a particular way. You guys have mentioned that despite people (men in particular) may transition, it doesn’t change much about their athletic performance because they have already developed after puberty. Bringing Carole Hooven to the show really shed some light on the topic. So while I may not agree or was very uncomfortable listening some points, it was by far one of your best podcast to date!

[@mandy7100]

Uncomfortable feeling is growth!!!! Its amazing that you shared that openly!!!👍🏻👍🏻

[@Bklemmy]

That's the great thing about science, it doesn't care about p.c culture or anyone's feelings. All about them facts

[@MindPumpShow]

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[@akhilmelias]

@@MindPumpShow ohh sweet thank you so much!

[@mukeshkhanwani5822]

Funny she talks about the research which was done in Uganda and here i am sitting in Uganda and enjoying this podcast.

[@MDM00023]

Excellent discussion!! We need much more of this truth in todays world

[@terrygraff8696]

What a wonderful, intellectual enlightening conversation.

[@davidrichards9419]

I'm addicted to this podcast now. I came across you guys about 6 months ago. I wish I'd had sooner. I enjoy watching the natural chemistry the three of you have. It's only because of your podcast that it clicked in my head that I might have low test levels. I'm currently undergoing a programme with my doctor to increase my test levels naturally on the hope of not having to use TRT. This episode and your episode last week with Dr McLain are my two favourites. I've had a lot of success with Maps prime increasing my mobility and my hunchback posture.

[@Jhosey74]

I really like when you guys bring people in who give thought provoking discussions. Gives me a chance to understand things that I barely have a working knowledge of.

[@mandy7100]

This podcast really further sets the tone for this channel!! Knowing , understanding the difference and accepting it helps finding the roles in society. As a fitness channel these guys never said only men can do certain regimen and vice versa, instead they know the difference and advice accordingly! If this is not equality I don’t know what is.

[@Arjun-eb1yc]

Exactly. We can acknowledge the average differences between men and women, we can know that these trends will never go away, and we still provide equality of opportunity for people to do what they want with their lives. Because ultimately it's individuals that matter and at the level of the individual there will be variations.

[@iamsoulless]

BEST ONE YET!!!!! Absolutely fantastic conversation.

[@jaac09]

I'm not gonna lie...most of the time I just watch the podcast clips unless it's a topic I'm really interested in, but these episodes w guests have me smiling the entire episode they're MONEY. Thank you for existing ✊

[@colleensilvia1172]

Fantastic episode. You guys are always striving to bring us relevant information whether or not it's from guest interviews or just the three of you chatting and sharing. Keep giving us this great entertainment and education.

[@CarmenMc007]

Loved her. Really great guest. Very knowledgeable.

[@lisaday1143]

I really wasn't sure what to expect on how this conversation would play out, but I found it very intriguing and challenging my thought process on how testosterone plays out in everyday human interactions. Great episode!

[@ronwright1530]

Great conversation! Please keep having guests like this.

[@jacintatate]

The olympic committee needs to crack down on athletes who are a. transgender and b. have high levels of testosterone, it's not fair to the women competing.

[@akhilmelias]

I agree. And it’s not only sports. Sal and the others mentioned in a previous episode about a male who transitioned and he won miss Nevada. If someone chooses to transition then that’s their choice, but they shouldn’t be able to join a competition with women if they’ll have an advantage.

[@amberreadel7664]

I've been listening to mind pump for about a year on Spotify but this episode was one of the best I've heard. So much that I had to go to the KZbin channel to leave a comment. Would love for you guys to have Carole back sometime.

[@alexmil002]

Definitely one of the best guests and discussions. You folks are great. Alex

[@MegaCabMorris]

12 min in and I already know this is going to be a great conversation. Props to you guys for finding such great guest. 👍

[@stevenmclain3652]

What a great episode! I sent it to everyone I know (including my exes).

[@germanramirez5708]

🤣🤣🤣

[@claymonaro68]

What a show, please let Carole on the show that was fantastic, an hour and a half flew by. Thank you for the references to the books you can get on Testosterone i will be making a few purchases now. Thanks again

[@aaanoushka]

Wow! Just yesterday I was listening to your podcast with Rand McLain and I was like “yeah I’d love to have more of a female perspective on this” and there you go! I loved this podcast! So interesting! Her work sounds fascinating, that’s exactly the kind of field I want to work in later and her background story inspired me so much! It was great! I gladly enter for the Maps giveaway, too!

[@jinglelingle26]

I really liked this episode. Off topic but not, I lost my dog (my best friend) of 11 years back in January and became depressed and fat. Im 38 and have been in above average shape most of my adult life but I knew something has been off for the past couple months so I watched one of yalls episodes about supplements for testosterone support. I started taking vitamin d zinc magnesium ashwagandha and tongkat ali...my energy levels and strength are back to where I was before my dog passed away. I literally feel like I have a new perspective on life now. Thank yall for all the info.

[@janellc9759]

Fascinating!! Some interesting thoughts, enjoyed the comments about culture and behaviors. Glad she is straightforward and unapologetic about facts.

[@JMac-dy6hq]

Very interesting topic, and she is a great speaker.

[@aaronj20]

I'm reading this book and then see this a few hours ago! Perfect!

[@AnaGfit23]

As an anthropology major turned personal trainer, I approve 👍🏼

[@wifeandmomma7452]

This is a topic which I'm so interested in as well as I'm raising a son and a daughter and realizing how different they are. Great video! I immediately started crying as Adam was telling his story of himself as a young teen. Hugs! (Female hormones at work, right) Keep up the good work, you guys!

[@Loud_Cloud421]

One of ur top guests. Great job guys

[@cindyd1042]

My Opinion on hormones and may not be totally the conversation on this episode…this is a comment coming from a 62 year old female who had a hard time going through menopause, from the age of 43 to late forties, my savior was bio-identical hormone replacement. Not realizing how important testosterone Role-plays in a female. It’s not only good for your libido, it’s good for your metabolism, your energy ect. I am also on progesterone and testosterone, and of course estrogen. It has been life-saving for me in more ways than one. My mood, energy level, skin, hair, nails, Libido…. I can go on and on. Hormones play such important role in all of our lives especially as we age, And you don’t have to suffer like our mothers did many years ago.. I would highly recommend Bio-identical hormones replacement for everyone. Just my 2 cents worth!!! Yes, I now chase my husband around for sex!

[@Cummins.hayley]

100% believe all the behavioural culture , one of the be at podcasts I’ve ever watched !

[@notme1255]

48 minutes into the video they talk about decreased ratios of women or men in society and it's effect on society. That completely makes sense and is definitely a contributing factor to why China is suffering right now with their reproductive success/birth rates declining and their need to remove the one child policy. This was an awesome podcast!

[@Arjun-eb1yc]

Brilliant podcast. Best you'll have done.

[@drewbugglin5147]

You guys finally gave me the confidence to Pursue TRT. Thank you so much. Can’t thank you enough.

[@josevalle7133]

This is such a great talk! I look forward to reading the book.

[@NeoclassicalRadagast]

Great podcast. She's great to listen to.

[@ohboy2]

This was a great episode!

[@kingsjsj123]

Is MindPump the best podcast? Yes.

[@clay_huffman]

SRY Protein, more like SRY Brotein amirite. Super stoked to see you guys have Carole on. We need this information so that males and females can learn about the differences between each other, but also learn to accept and understand the beauty in that. Killing it with the guests lately. Love learning about T

[@SC-wu1zx]

Sex at dawn was a fascinating read. I'm a tradition manogomist but it's hard to know if this is due to the culture and values I was raised with. And what a great interview! I didn't expect to consider how our understanding and appreciation of primitive roles and hormonal differences could help us with understanding current relationship issues and differences between men and woman.

[@sarahvilla1899]

It is fascinating that she wrote the book in such a divided time in history and I think the same goes for a lot of controversial people who are speaking up. It is interesting that she is getting a lot of positive feedback even though the loudest voices at the moment are thevery woke but the average person still cares about having these discussions and figuring out the facts.

[@filipcza2]

Great quest! We live in sad times when only speaking about biological and scientific facts is considered controversial.. sliding back to dark ages fast. Glad to see you guys still shining the light of intelligence on ignorance. Keep up the good work.

[@mikeujoel]

Best podcast ever. And the best guest so far. MINDPUMP you guys are rockstars 👊✊

[@diomedesgermosen844]

QOTD! I’m looking to get my sister into fitness. She’s struggled with her weight her whole life and is now considering gastric bypass surgery! I’d like to intervene and prevent that if possible. Seeing as she’s larger and has no experience. What program or routine would you recommend to get her started? Introducing her to you guys and this podcast so she regularly consumes this type of content seems to be the best direction I have for her so far

[@spencemia]

Sowell shirt....💯💯💯💯💯

[@berternie6181]

Testosterone levels affect on life span comes from testosterone being directly toxic to cells without estrogen to protect it, less estrogen like older men usually have will result in things like kidney damage/failure eventually for nearly every man

[@psiphibrandonhare7120]

@17-19 minutes into the podcast- I wonder if that sort of gene mutation or lack of chromosomal expression or maybe something that happened with Androgen receptors could actually explain why a lot of people that are homosexual actually feel that they've been homosexual since very very young or say that they were born gay, this sort of mutation or lack of gene expression or down-regulating issues could actually explain that situation.

[@mukeshkhanwani5822]

What a amazing knowledge to learn about and what a deep knowledge mind pump is giving us for free, everyone needs to know about testosterone apart from just muscle gain and weight loss, it’s really diverse. thank you mind pump

[@PetarV_]

What a great show !

[@lisaanderson1146]

Awesome podcast fascinating Thankyou

[@tommmyshafer2939]

What are your thoughts on TRT?

[@youngsuit]

1:09:00 - i'd really like to hear how she critiqued that data in the end, because while it's an interesting question proposed, i would find it really hard to actually connect dots saying adaptations led all the way to something like rape

[@woofmeow4273]

22:00 "gay sheep". Oh that's just too funny on several levels.

[@balthazar7864]

The year is 2025, Sal Di Stefano leaves Mind Pump on study leave. He receives a grant to conduct a study on his hypothesis on the correlation between men being hunters and not being able to find mustard in the fridge.

[@Dougie.A.M]

That was great. 👌

[@cypriankariuki175]

Great episode.

[@Nic-xr8sd]

I wonder what she thinks about Lucy Cooke's new book..

[@aaronallen3973]

Great discussion! I do think, however, the conversation really went off the rails during the “toxic masculinity” section of the pod. Rejecting the term because it make our sons “feel bad” is not a good enough reason to reject the concept wholesale. That’s using a similar logic to many white parents during the 1960s and 70s who claimed that the concept of “racial integration” made their white kids more racist because of the conflict it provoked. I feel confident that our sons are smart enough to learn the difference between a healthy expression of masculinity and a toxic one. I recommend having a professor of gender studies who has knowledge of the nuanced and complex understanding of toxic masculinity than this watered down pop culture version that is being discussed. You guys may find you agree with its principles more than you think. All about keeping an open mind, right?

[@Arjun-eb1yc]

Thinking out loud; could work if our children are formally taught about the wonderful, society building and complementary effects of both masculinity and feminity. And then also taught about how each instinct can become pathological and destructive.

[@aaronallen3973]

Sounds like a vote for integrating a comprehensive gender and sexuality program on our k-12 Ed system.

[@WastdTrashPanda]

At 22:04 I thought she was gonna say "like some gay ass sheep or something" 😂

[@potluck712]

Men and women are created differently because our Creator purposely designed male and females to have specific roles in society. Rape and murder and aggression are clearly indication of humanity’s depravity and love for sin. Not all of us are as depraved as we can possibly be or else we would all clearly be raping and killing. We want to be God and rule on our own, and majority of us know what sin is, yet we love it. The theories of evolution and the atheists (Richard Dawkins) have created secularism that is ruining our society.

[@marnav-1607]

Adam looks like brendon shaub also love the content appreciate it

[@ROMTherapy]

Main thought/comment your biceps are looking amazing but to add a little more “zing” you should add a light layer of baby oil and lather those pythons down! You’re at your shmedium shirt threshold and so this is the obvious next step in highlighting them! Second comment the episode was great and we appreciate when sal asks questions because she doubles down on what she said but with layman’s terms lol. Great stuff guys.

[@davifurtado6534]

The reason why men are risk takers is because women are selective and they go for the best male. This mean that if you are "bad" or even average, your chances of passing your genetics forward drastically drop compared to the other guys at the top. So that's why men will take more risks, because if they don't their genes die And nature knows that. That's why we see more men on most extremes sides of the bell curve. That's why we see more men with down syndrome. Nature will take the chances because if you are born a genius you'll for sure pass your genes

[@washi8267]

Did u guys do the giveaway from the last podcast

[@dfinma]

Excellent subject matter and conversation. A thought about humans and hunting though. Human lineage hasn't been exclusive predator/carnivor for something like 100 million years. Granted most primates do some hunting but even chimps -- the most predatory non-human primate -- are 85% herbivore. The point is, thinking that hunting is a primary task of males might not be accurate. In other words, we can't find pickles in the refrigerator for other reasons (😄). Rather I think most of male primitive behavior is centered around competing for mates and this drives us to being territorial, gathering resources, fighting, etc. Humans are fairly homicidal and almost uniquely homicidal in that we kill fellow adults (most non-human homicide is infanticide).

[@thetribe2101]

No husband chases his wife after few years of marriage

[@gabrieljoslyn3303]

How can we send a question into the podcast to be answered?

[@MindPumpShow]

Quah question: instagram.com/mindpumpmedia Leave your question under the "QUAH" posts Live Quah: email your question to [e-mail]

[@Wise333]

The rationale behind mandating Monogamy for safety concerns seems to Contradict her argument for excepting masculine centered behaviors without judgment. In one breath she said that we have a responsibility to self monitor our behaviors regardless of hormones but in the next breath we’re saying that we should mandate monogamy because it’s dangerous to be polygamist I think that’s contradictory. Overall great subject and interview, I will purchase the book 📖🤝

[@javierquinterosurzua2767]

Question: why do you think its contradictory? Asking out of geniune curiosity since to me the arguments seem very disconnected from eaxh other

[@Wise333]

@@javierquinterosurzua2767 hello if I understand Your question appropriately, my response is that her argument was that the laws that govern us through monogamy in the United States are valid in a sense, because there could be an uprising of violence from Masculine centered beings who couldn’t achieve a mate due to being Less desirable an out done overall in society by the more desirable choices for partnering. yet she indicates that a more masculine centered person with testosterone in Vitro and after tend to desire more than one mate, As evidenced in nature and that We have simply adapted to serial Monogamy. Then how is it that we can support a masculine centered person being themselves yet restrain their desires based upon the inability of the less desirable masculine centered peoples abilities to cope? and then say that hormones should not dictate behavioral choices ? If we admit there’s a natural inclination towards more than one mate for certain people , it should be irrelevant whether or not less desirable masculine centered people can get mates because they should have enough wherewithal within themselves to control their behavior even if they can’t achieve a mate because we’re not basing the behavior on hormones , right? we’re just saying what the tendencies tend to be. So why should other masculine centered people be penalized or condemned or held back from the ability to engage in polygamy because the less desirable masculine centered people can’t achieve mates. The premise doesn’t seem correct to me. that seems more like a personal leaning towards an ideal rather than an argument for safety of society. They just said that we should Regulate ourselves appropriately regardless of hormones. I hope that’s understandable .

[@javierquinterosurzua2767]

@@Wise333 thanks for the elaborate response :)

[@Wise333]

@@javierquinterosurzua2767 😂🙏🏿 you’re welcome

[@MrWeaverwa]

Sex at Dawn was about polyamory, meaning women also had multiple sexual partners.

[@nomadwisdom215]

There is a lot of BS running online about Testosterone and TRT in general. When educating myself about hormones only getting it from Joe Rogan, NCI or those guys! Stay natural for as long as you can.

[@omp365]

'i feel like motherhood in general isn't celebrated enough' yep. that's because 'they' want to lower the population.

[@charlespate85]

Is her book on audible?

[@colleensilvia1172]

yes but she isn't the narrator

[@scottjohnstontheii9287]

You should contact Ed Dutton of the jolly heretic, he has an entire channel about biological differences in sex and race and genetic factors that make people left wing or right wing and the genetic factors that make people more religious than other people ect

[@richardmiddleton7770]

Egg yolks, deadlifts and sleep! hehe

[@deanwitte3848]

So, I think after listening to this that big hands and feet don't mean anything other than you need to buy bigger gloves and shoes?

[@ahmademad9696]

Just waiting for feminist Karen in the comments

[@benhallo1553]

This professor gives me weird vibes. Strikes me as a pick me girl. Can she stop waffling about society and actually just break down testosterone and how it works?

[@paddy3622]

how did she get into a college with no high school degree? and, what "good" college would accept someone with horrific grades? I read her book and enjoyed it. However, her background is iffy.

[@ilikeknives1000]

you don't need to graduate or have a ged to attend college just money

[@AnaGfit23]

I have a longer ring finger too on both sides. I’ve always had a hunch I had higher testosterone for a girl. Or androgens. Or whatever. Im not a doctor. Regardless I have what she has.

[@griffinfitzgerald4968]

She lowkey called you guys out for using gear by saying as you probably already know when you add more testosterone there aren't significant behavior changes.

[@gio23806]

Day 4 of being here for the KZbin algorithm

[@Pap-yy1xf]

Im ngl, I really tried to enjoy this episode but she doesn't have a natural flow with you guys. No disrespect intended.