Mindustry Erekir Vs Serpulo (Planet Showdown)

[@DuolingoOFFICIAL-english]

Collaris should have won that fight since it was player controlled. Collaris is faster, higher damage, and outranges every other unit in the entire game.

[@tripleE34]

Agree, the collaris player probably forgot that he fast, whereas you see disrupt trying to retreat

[@xavierere9258]

I think it was because although collaris is stronger in those categories, the spider has better attack speed, health, the legs do massive damage, also the fact that the spider has more projectiles and projectiles hit.

[@Drexium]

@@xavierere9258 Collaris will always win a 1vs1 agaisnt a Toxopid on any map that is large enough, due to Collaris becoming extremely fast when it does not fire for several seconds, this allows it to retreat to a distance far outside of Toxopids range and due to Collaris having such a high range it will still be able to damage the Toxopid.

[@andryhhito5384]

Before the version 143.3 collaris damaged enemy air units thus Creslex should've knew that but didn't care

[@CollarisfromErekir]

Yea i should've won. But when my species targets and shoots it's movement gets nerfs so even you try to back away it's use less.

[@Drexium]

A proper test would be to compare how units perform vs enemy bases, for example see how 5 disrupts used optimally compares to 5 eclipses used optimally, also keep in mind the resource consumption of units, the space to make factories for those resources, and the cost of things such as turrets and what their intended purpose is. Also only comparing the t5s in 1vs1 style scenarios is extremely poor for this, you are the largest Mindustry youtuber, please have standards in your tests. In general, Serpulo has a stronger early and late game, but Erekirs midgame units such as Cleroi, Anthicus, Precept, Locus and Obviate would all dominate on Serpulo, especially since none of Serpulo's blocks have armor. Also I know you said not to take this to seriously in the description but some of the tests did feel downright rigged in Serpulos favor, the only fair wins Serpulo got were the Thorium reactor (based on what you were testing, which is a strange one to test but okay lol) the mass driver win and finally the Ripple win.

[@Creslex_]

fair enough ! though this video was mainly just for fun :> I did think of a serpulo vs erekir comparison rather then a showdown. where for example I compare the turret's dps, their size, power consumed per ammo, etc... but it quickly grew out of hand trying to make it fair lol. soo I just made it into a pure 1v1 blitz format

[@Drexium]

@@Creslex_ Fair enough lol, I just edited to say that I do get the joking nature of this. For me as someone who does a lot of work in pvp, attack and survival for playtesting maps and having fun in general I just think a lot of things can not be compared between the two, I do appreciate the mass driver comparison, although mentioning the ability to transport whole blocks, units and liquids would have been a good idea.

[@Drexium]

I only made this comment because recently I was talking to a friend who said the only reason people think Toxopid is such a great unit is because of your videos. You really are such a big part of the community and so many people take your videos very seriously, which is why having a video like this may have a large unintended impact.

[@justenoughrandomness8989]

a small correction: erekir is stronger early game if it can get stell before getting flare rushed and pretty sure collaris is better lategame

[@Drexium]

@@justenoughrandomness8989 The problem the is how the two things scale, Serpulo scales extremely quickly and with a single flare which you can get in less then a minute you can use it to destroy any building before they are finished, while for late game, Serpulos overdrive domes and core unloaders allow you to grow extremely fast while Erekir still has limitations due to not having those sorts of features. Also Collaris is quite bad vs Serpulo due to how prominent air units are on Serpulo, also Pollies can constantly rebuild a wall and permanently stall vs several Collaris.

[@Kolibry_Is_your_friend]

2:00 EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!

[@alexsanjayakhouw]

*The moment that he realise* *He f

[@Beankoi]

I would not count the last one. You might as well do dou vs breach if put a support unit vs a battleship.

[@Drexium]

I entirely agree, I think the better way to do the tests would be to test how they perform vs an enemy base and other units.

[@Exoblade2.0]

For the serpulo air vs erekir air... Just use an oct and we'll see It's a tie

[@Mikael-z4q3j]

You should compare the factories of Serpulo to their Erekir counterparts (silicon, surge alloy and phase fabric)

[@Drexium]

Great idea, Erekir silicon is significantly more resource efficient using only 1 coal per 2 sili and 1 sand per sili, it also produces a high amount per block, surge alloy has the same sili cost and added slag and heat costs but does not consume lead, titanium or copper, making it extremely efficient on maps with high amounts of slag, it's one flaw is space efficiency as to max heat it using phase you need at least another 12 blocks giving you a total of 21 blocks for 1.33 surge a second compared to the 9 needed for a Serpulo surge smelter which makes 0.8 surge per 9 tiles, and finally phase fabric, Erekir phase is also significantly more resource efficient, using half the thorium and 60% the sand for only the added cost of water, it also uses way less power and can heat itself while at max heat producing the same amount of phase as 4 phase weavers. (The serpulo variant.) In summary Erekir silicon and phase are both stronger, while Erekir surge can be a good alternative for resource limited playstyles or maps but in general Serpulo surge is more space efficient and often less complex due to the power of unloaders and not needing heat.

[@Mikael-z4q3j]

I am very thankful for your response and by the way I would like to share some ideas that can be discussed in the next part, starting with something obvious like core, core unit, walls, drills, nodes, and ending with something not that obvious, like pumps, liquid containers and tanks, menders, build support options(Poly, Mega vs build tower), projectile destroyers(segment vs shockwave tower), and finally the T4 and T5 unit building system(reconstructors vs assembler)! I hope that at least some of the examples I told will be discussed in the next part.

[@Drexium]

So, for cores and core units, all the Erekir cores are cheaper in terms of basic resources, unless compared to shard, they also have significantly more hp and armor, in fact the Acropolis is the strongest block/unit in the game. Erekir core units have higher build speed and movement speed stats, plus the advantage of being able to transport blocks and fly through enemy defenses without being hit. The Serpulo core units can do none of these things, the one advantage of Serpulo is being able to damage enemy units (And technically blocks but it does very little) but for Erekir they can heal blocks, and pretty good as well, personally I think Erekir wins due to the higher move and build speed. As for walls, Erekir wins, more hp plus armor, armor is extremely strong as it reduces all incoming damage by the armor value. Then Drill's Serpulo wins this but Erekir has the advantage of being able to mine wall ores, but in terms of ground drills, the Airblast drill on Serpulo is absurdly strong compared to Erekirs eruption drill. Nodes, Erekir has the advantage of their nodes having higher range and being a similar price, and then the large nodes have quite high range compared to Serpulo, but Serpulo wins due to how their nodes connect and the surge tower. Erekir pumps produce more water per tile, even when including the hydro cost, and even in deep water where impulse pumps get to reach two tiles deeper, the reinforced pump is still tied for the amount produced so I say they win for pumps. Liquid storage, I think Erekir wins due to their storages having higher hp amounts. Menders, this one is tied, Erekir menders are the strongest mender in the game, but only one can work on an individual block at a time, while Serpulo menders can have as many working as you want and can fit/power. For build support options, nothing beats polies, but build towers have the advantage of improved rebuilding ai, but still, polies are to good, projectile destroyers, segments are really good vs fairly large projectiles or rapid firing defences/units (Toxopid, Reign, Spectre) while the build tower is really good vs burst firing units that behave as groups (Obviates, Ripples, the fragments of Toxopid or Collaris) These two actually work really well together, but otherwise I would call this one a draw. The t4 and t5 building system on Erekir results in less resource intensive but more space intensive building methods, and the t4s/t5s on Erekir produce faster, but on Serpulo due to logic and core unloading, it is significantly easier to set up t4/t5 factories, plus the overdrive dome has to be considered and that results in the Serpulo units producing faster, so I give the win to Serpulo, but I do reckon its more fun to build Erekir t4s and t5s. Also I am not the poster of this video, I am just someone who plays a lot of Mindustry and wants the truth to be out there.

[@AimaginationWorks]

We demand a part 2!!!!

[@enderman1053]

I love how you put everything in favor of sepurlo

[@massimodevitis6069]

Duh, we already want part 2. Welcome back tò KZbin!

[@yoav.kats6328]

For the ultimate test we should make a map with an errkir base on one side and a serpulo base on the other and see who can deatroy the other.

[@dangductran2926]

Easily serpulo. Erekir players has no mean of attacks until they optain quite a lot of silicon for either breach or a tank, which take quite long. I did a test myself and it take me 3 minutes rushing to make a flare from zero, you can compare it with how fast can you make a stell in The Onset

[@dangductran2926]

I did a test on erekir and it take around more than 6 minute for me to make a stell on erekir, or about 5 minute if I choose to make a breach. Either way an erekir player cannot create an attack form fast enough to defend an early flare, and once the flare come, the serpulo player can just control it to target constructing buildings.

[@LegendhypergameGD]

Without a pre-build base? Easily serpulo, but midgame? Erekir for sure

[@keegangunn1645]

The titan vs ripple wasnt fair, the titan didnt have water

[@FancyHalcyon]

As a Serpulo enjoyer, this is a totally deserved score win

[@ИгнатийКоловратий]

bro on that GRIND

[@PLAYABLES1]

The fight of Disrupt vs Eclipse is not fair

[@MilanKovacs-kc8ik]

Bro is preparing for the Mass upgrade

[@notaplant2132]

How can you access a custom map that let you build both Erekir and Serpulo components ? (structures, facroties,... with infinite resource).

[@Devminny]

hes back yay

[@Jeremy-ds8ei]

Wait, the Icon for the new horizon mod is literately a carv'osher.

[@chicocorriente]

Nice video!

[@blenderguy5659]

mhhhh i feel like some things were omitted in the contest...

[@lm_Not_Smart]

Eclipse fr just said "cant touch this"

[@phiettermarcelinosali7316]

Crashlag is back 🗣️

[@tripleE34]

Part 2, yes, we love planetary comparisons

[@Simplord777]

Cool content

[@haidangho7450]

Next: Naval VS Tank pls

[@Jaqfie]

Serpulo forever in my heart v5 the best version

[@Palekingwilreturn]

Cool, I like it

[@hamzamotara4304]

Part two?

[@samuelloomis9714]

My beloved Payload MassDriver! Can a MassDriver transport liquids? I didn't think so.

[@migutek1426]

0:55 lustre is single target and meldtown is for swarms, unfair

[@fitmotheyap]

Most of these comparisons are for fun, not serious, it's hard to find a way to compare them to begin with

[@migutek1426]

I know, to begin with, Erekir has MUCH stronger defenses at the base stats and function. I just felt like they didn't have the same purpose because hurricane is better for single target than meltdown an lustre is pure single target

[@mrt1880]

a foreshadow would have been a better comparison both are single Target haters

[@the_lord_of_all_fries]

more VIDEOS

[@MykolaKorniichuk]

Ripple: use cryo to bust Titan: don't use water for bust

[@Porgumaastisk791]

6 serpulo 4 erekir I though erekir was going to win

[@Creslex_]

I might do a part 2 to continue the score :DD

[@Porgumaastisk791]

@@Creslex_ ooo cool

[@LanderLG]

Help me

[@Porgumaastisk791]

@@LanderLG why ?

[@xavierere9258]

Bruh the last one is support unit vs attacker unit. U should have used the attacker erekir air vs the serpulo one.

[@lucasc8972]

wdym attacker erekir air

[@SporBel]

there isnt any other type of erekir air unit than purple

[@Averageuser-i8m]

try making disrupt's missiles collide with air with console magic

[@Znatok1699]

0:36 you cant refuse the fuse if you use the diffuse

[@Elielosorioo]

Disrupt can't damage air units ???????

[@ImpKraken]

Now the real question is can erekir and serpulo combined defeat earth

[@xavierere9258]

xrexlec is back

[@drikodjiqers]

cool

[@phiettermarcelinosali7316]

The disrupt vs eclipse was a giveaway 😂

[@Palekingwilreturn]

eclipse would win anyway

[@ketodivi146]

Interesting

[@dv0.lconstr]

also disrupt unit missiles cant hurt air units

[@ethanol109]

I am personally insulted that fuse lost against diffuse!

[@popogo1788]

average fun of serpulo

[@Varxalaxia]

Eepy?

[@Myticalcattnip]

Btw creslex maybe you need fight other player to see the actual winner (pro erekir vs noob serpulo, average player on both planet and last noob erekir vs pro serpulo)

[@Blehhhh_cat]

YOU CAN MAKE T4 AND DECONSTRUCT IT??? HOLY HELL WHAT EVEN WAS I DOING ALL THOSE 600+ HOURS I SPENT PLAYING MINDUSTRY 💀💀

[@justenoughrandomness8989]

it's based on the size and tecta is small enough

[@kirazumi7506]

I m actually surprised serpulo won

[@quocphong6588]

Disrupt only has artillery missiles so Eclipse always win

[@huuthainguyen6779]

"both is good""

[@Myticalcattnip]

Erekir unit win in unit range,hp,dmg situation but for serpulo early game harsh turret was good for bullying erekir player look at ripple cost that almost wreck erekir early turret

[@crylleyuipco4322]

real

[@Ele_villager]

Ripple have cryo,titan doesn't have water ,un fare

[@MarkelSof_Shorts]

I like to you:)

[@Baku1io]

Serlupo claps

[@megaton8561]

First

[@Flame_Ancient_Master]

Nooooooo😢😢😢😢

[@termina9763]

redo the eclipse fight lol

[@G4M3R1R0N]

Cant wait to watch, i hate erikir show whos the true goat

[@tripleE34]

I like both