Minecraft And Roblox Crossplay Is Already In Danger.

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0:00 Intro And Correction
0:31 Block Game Crossplay Is The Third Project
0:57 Minecraft Roblox Cross Play Is Already In Danger.
1:18 There Is A Huge Legal And Technical Issue With These Projects
1:42 Minecraft's EULA Requires Paid Copy Of Game To Play On Server
2:08 These Server Networks Get Blacklisted But Never Face Legal Action
2:36 Mojang's Shutdown Of Eaglercraft, Minecraft's Browser Game
3:10 Pokemon Brick Bronze Roblox Game Was Shut Down By Nintendo
3:32 Mineplay, Crossplay Project, Block Game Crossplay Could Face This
3:54 Minecraft And Roblox Crossplay Has Scaling Issues
4:15 Both Tech Relies On HTTP Requests Between Servers
4:25 Mineplay Uses Minestom
4:46 The Crossplay Project Uses PaperMC
4:56 Multipaper Could Allow For Infinite Scaling On A Roblox Game
5:17 Minestom Requires Everything To Be Done Manually
5:30 Roblox's Rate Limiting Could Prevent Detailed Voxel Worlds In Roblox
5:46 Both Teams Were Shocked That The Movement Was Even Smooth
6:05 Thanks For Watching!

[@cubedimensions]

the pixel grows discord server: discord.gg/P74cVatknc Shout out to The Crossplay Project and Mineplay for talking to me after my video I made on them. They are both amazing projects, hopefully they'll be okay. Also another correction: Mineplay does allow for bedrock players as the proxy (bungeecord/velocity) which is used as a middleman for connecting to Minestom, does allow for Geyser players.

[@flipdragon9218]

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[@_xX_me_Xx_]

The points you make are fair, but from what I can tell, the roblox crossplay projects don't use any of Mojang's code or assets. It is not against the EULA to make a block game, only to redistribute their game.

[@cubedimensions]

I personally knew someone who got their Minecraft browser server DMCA'd by Mojang/Microsoft in less than 30 days of their launch, it's easier for them to submit a Roblox copyright takedown request than it is to takedown servers in some foreign country. I believe you completely that they don't use their assets and they don't need to, however, they may get very upset over people accessing servers and Microsoft may do whatever they can to shut down something that can replace a paid copy of the Minecraft client, and of course, if those Roblox cross-play games start making money under Roblox's system.

[@outrowed]

This situation is a bit similar to the Yuzu project takedown, if it ever happened: Yuzu devs got cease and desist letter by Nintendo, warning them to that if they continue the project, they would get sued. Yuzu devs got scared, and so, they gave up, closing the whole project, and giving the rights to Nintendo. Even though their code is open source, and technically doesn't use any of Nintendo's code (clean room reverse engineering, but some parts from Nintendo Switch are required, but they must be done manually by the end users), they still gave in. Think about it, would you rather waste money and fight off Nintendo's 1000+ lawyers, or just dip out with the bag, and without any legal consequences? It doesn't matter if the project technically doesnt break the EULA nor the copyright law, just one cease and desist letter from Mojang, and the project in a matter of time could fall off.

[@SamIsPoggers]

they could possibly make something like authentication for Minecraft account before playing the Roblox Minecraft cross play

[@mega_gamer93]

@@outrowed yuzu broke the law by bypassing the encryption used by the nintendo switch games used for DRM, something that the DMCA explicitely forbids (A) No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. The prohibition contained in the preceding sentence shall take effect at the end of the 2-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this chapter. (3) As used in this subsection- (A) to “circumvent a technological measure” means to descramble a scrambled work, *to decrypt an encrypted work,* or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner; and (B) a technological measure “effectively controls access to a work” if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work. The cross play projects do not interact with encryption in any way that I know of, so they are not breaking the law. In addition, the EULA only controls what you can do with the official server program provided by Mojang. Since Minestom is a reverse engineered server client, it is not bound by the minecraft EULA This does not change the fact that Roblox could simply choose to take down the projects by Microsoft's request to avoid the drama though

[@Pwnners]

​@@outrowedI really dont get what Nintendo had to gain, i can still emulate switch easily tbh

[@hanro50]

Here is the key thing. Minecraft's code and assets are copyrighted. If your project uses Minecraft's code and assets, then you need to obtain said assets and code dynamically. (See spigot, fabric, and neoforge) If your project simply reimplents Minecraft's server api, then legally, there isn't much mojang can do. You can't copyright an api. In theory, they can take issue with allowing unlicensed players to play Minecraft via a plugin....even then it gets sketchy, and past president set by mojang would work against mojang.

[@Butterscotch_96]

What we really need is cross play between Java and legacy console editions like Wii U, PS3, or Vita.

[@JamesTDG]

I can see Wii U and PS3 having the potential to do this, especially via Pretendo support, but Vita may be tricky since the NTFS might not be fast enough to be reliable. As for XB360, it would be really cool to watch it happen...

[@Butterscotch_96]

@@JamesTDG360 seems unlikely since barely anyone has a modded 360, which it would probably require actual modding to the game. PS3 and Wii U seems most likely as both systems are easily moddable.

[@ItsJustJer]

Theoratically possible with the Source Code, but i don't think it can be done without some sort of modded consoles for this to happen, but i like to see it happen someday to crossplay between any legacy versions.

[@equilibrum999]

This great advanchiement, Not by demonic powers summoned, Not by rituals of traditions conjured, Not by technology of modern constructed, But by the eldritch's own eldrichtry, Iron and mana, metal and power, past and future, ebmded in darkness's frame, created it all.

[@coneburger9081]

advancement achievement

[@michaelbarcroft1485]

sorry, what?

[@Sollace]

If you have the attention span of a normal human being, go to the settings and change the playback speed to 0.5 Christ, man

[@maddestcattest]

A bit of a disclaimer as I only have knowledge of Roblox Luau, and I know nothing about administration or programming on a Minecraft server. So anything I say technical about Minecraft is just theory. 5:30 Despite the documented & undocumented rate-limits using HTTP send-requests on Roblox, it's still very much possible to host an extremely large Minecraft server. In regards to utilizing external API, Roblox can handle up to 500 send-requests per minute **for each live Roblox server** regardless of data size as long as it's not too unreasonable (though transfer speeds may be affected). Upon the limit being reached, all send-request functions will stall for roughly 30 seconds. 5:35 We can just do data transfers of only necessary things like initial data or reporting changes, we don't need to send the entire Minecraft world every time lol. Even if a lot of blocks & player instances were to be loaded, Roblox servers can still run smoothly with low latency even with hundreds of players as well as hundreds of thousands of instances. Though the huge disclaimer is that **you actually need to know how to optimize them**. This can be done via content streaming, having visuals loaded purely on a Roblox's client, code optimization, basepart optimization, having players loaded from the Minecraft server just be pseudo-player models with minimal data, etc. The Roblox server only really has to load in chunks that surround the current players. Knowing this, we can assign 4 sends & 4 requests per second for every Roblox server, averaging 480 send-requests a minute (20 to spare as a safety net or could be used on something else). Each send will report only on necessary changes such as block states (place/destroy), player actions, and player states. We can also include parameters of what the Roblox server will receive the next time it does a HTTP request. Such as the Roblox serverId, what chunks are currently loaded (for the MC server to send only changes), and chunks that need to be loaded (for the MC server to send the full chunk). The MC server will record and apply the every received change from every Roblox server. (idk about ANY of the MC server technical details, but if it could then it would) Back on the Roblox server, each request will alert the MC server to send back only the necessary data it requested from its most recent HTTP send. Note: Players from other Roblox servers & the MC server will be treated as a part of chunk data, so there won't be hundreds of random player models in unloaded chunks of a Roblox server. But you may notice the issue is that certain things will seem clunky such as movement by cross-server players. But they could be fixed with a little bit of visual interpolation, prediction, and general experimentation until it feels and behaves right. Roblox servers can actually have a player limit of up to 200, and up to 700 on experimental games. And the method I've described above will work regardless of the number of players, but I feel 10-30 players to be a good fit for overall send-request quantity and Roblox server performance. Even if I actually had technical MC knowledge, that's probably how I would go about it with a few minor changes.

[@cubedimensions]

They are already interpolating I believe and that's why things look smooth, and, the talking to the Mineplay owner, he is not worried at all about rate limits, Mineplay is not using Paper/Multipaper, they are using Minestom, and I believe server sharding is what they are going to be making from scratch, Crossplay Project is using Paper and I also hope they start using Multipaper so we can get a 1000-10K player map, which I think would be awesome. This would allow for roblox players across games to interact with each other, which has been done before.

[@maddestcattest]

@@cubedimensions Sounds awesome!

[@RonBillWeasley]

i like how your videos are x2 friendly really helps getting informed fast

[@TheRealSnick2014]

I thought of similar problems after I watched the first video; what I think could especially put a figurative target on the projects' backs is that if they make the technology they create usable by general people (if they make it that far), then someone could potentially make a Pay2Win server that doesn't actually have any "Minecraft" players on it, but that instead acts as a roundabout way of playing a free version of the game for Roblox players; such a server could charge Robux for doing basic tasks, like going through Portals, crafting Netherite, switching servers, etc..

[@cubedimensions]

both of those project leaders are confident they aren't going to upset mojang and are within their rights to do these projects, however the worst thing that'll happen is a takedown request, even if that wasn't a concern this video covers the other elephant in the room, the way they are transferring data cross-game could run into massive scaling issues.

[@contextinvideos]

so just a copy of minecraft in roblox? im not sure i fully understand what you mean.

[@TheRealSnick2014]

This is purely a hypothetical situation that I could see arise, and would only be possible if one of the projects' creations worked near-perfectly; since the goal of both projects is to engineer crossplay between "Minecraft: Java Edition" and an Experience coded using Roblox's API, it's only to be presumed that they would both release their finished creations, operable code, and detailed information on how their creations work to the public so that people could create Roblox Experiences and "Minecraft" servers to link together for crossplay. Therefore, hypothetically, someone shamelessly greedy, knowledgeable of coding, and acquainted with people willing to follow them could take all of those resources and create a "Minecraft" server that doesn't allow any "Minecraft" players to join, link said server to a Roblox experience, and then force players to pay Robux to do various things on the server. A portion of Roblox's playerbase is made up of children who's families can't afford to buy them the latest consoles or games, since it's "free" - a kid asking their parents to buy them a game that costs thirty American dollars will probably be shot down quick, but a kid asking their parents to buy them a few hundred Robux for five American dollars every once in a while probably wouldn't be; since Roblox Experience and Cosmetics creators can cash Robux made on their games out for real currency every time they acquire a certain number of Robux or more, if someone was to create such a server and market it as "'Minecraft' for free" to such children, they could make actual money by scamming children.

[@cubedimensions]

@@TheRealSnick2014 I have directly spoken to the people running those projects and yes: it is in fact possible to take the Minecraft chunk data from a Minecraft server and load it into Roblox. They are running into optimization issue: however there are in fact ways to transfer chunks from MC to Roblox without lagging the game out extremely. Mineplay wants to take the harmless minigame approach however it is possible there are in-house projects being built right now that I have not been told of. Block Game Crossplay requires a game pass for you to fly. I think it is more than possible to see a roblox player jump in an active Minecraft survival world however I'd give it several months since they are already struggling with performance on the graphic side

[@Sohcahtoa14]

its already dead anyways, i went in there for a few hours, its literally just grief haven. We managed to make (probably) the largest and most successful spawn, but moderation is so bad to the point where the only reason hackers ever stop is because they get bored

[@miberss]

that doesnt matter at all lol mods arnt the biggest concern, actually getting more things to work and making stuff more efficent is the real concern

[@JamesTDG]

It may be smart for microsoft to offer up a method to verify if a user owns a legitimate copy of minecraft for these crossplay projects, otherwise they are killing off a good branch of the community

[@contextinvideos]

"a good branch of the community" just kind of sounds false. this is a passion project that is still relatively unknown and is not used by many, and no one can tell if it would become big or not. im not saying i want microsoft to kill the project/not support it but what would they gain from collaborating with these people?

[@JamesTDG]

@@contextinvideos It essentially provides free compatibility support for MC, which is any developer wants for their games, as it raises accessibility. This can also allow for making MC to play like it is Dwarf Fortress while on DOS hardware. Now that sounds like extreme fun to do NGL...

[@contextinvideos]

@@JamesTDG true tbh

[@PixelGrew]

Video is very well research, thanks for the info.

[@tedbasher3000]

I feel like as long as they don't recreate Minecraft in Roblox, they will be fine. For example, if they make a simulatr game on Roblox and allow Minecraft users to play it as well with syncing then I feel like that won't get them in trouble

[@ItsJustJer]

I heard skyblocks was once DMCA'd by Minecraft (Hypixel i think)

[@osti517]

what about terraria minecraft roblox portal 2 and grandscapes crossplay?

[@Bryzental]

My server sharded.

[@cubedimensions]

lol

[@timm2396]

Well when you are essentially creating free minecraft microsoft is going to end that shit quickly

[@U.S.S.R_Cat]

if Minecraft and Roblox Crossplay got taken down. id left both of the game and just play Warzone

[@that_guy1211]

bruh, there are offline, pirate minecraft servers that are still up, and mojang themselves ban and unbans said pirate servers =-= if they don't allow this crossplay project, why should they allow all of these pirate server to exist?

[@mrfoxyzin58]

Mojang has always been really vague about their rules

[@cubedimensions]

The answer was simple, Mojang bans pirate servers from being connected to. The pirate servers are not within the U.S. or Sweden making it harder for Microsoft/Mojang to issue takedown notices

[@blahajenjoyr]

@@cubedimensions if they hate it so much they should remove the "online-mode=false" ability

[@peterbruck3845]

Is not Mojang, it’s Microsoft

[@polocatfan]

@@cubedimensions they don't ban them from being connected to

[@knownpenguin7573]

crossplay isnt going to be taken down by mojang however roblox could take it down because it communicates with unofficial servers (non roblox affiliated)

[@ARAK_46]

Eagler craft distributed minecraft copies, project crossplay just connects 2 games, they made original assets so theres no possible way to dmca that as there's no right infringement and its just a little cool project that cannot do any possible harm to microsoft's pocket

[@arkimedeez]

4 views in 9 minutes? Dude fell off Seriously though, you're an underrated gem

[@cubedimensions]

Thank you :)

[@GamerX-2000]

3:16 rip brick bronze. It was fun while it lasted 🫡

[@ZyteXbecauseYnot]

Since Roblox is still partially hoping for people to push the engine, they most likely won't mind it a whole lot until it's a full port of the game itself.

[@Over0w0MeAmTheHotel]

What use would cross play between a single game on a free to install platform and a server on a pay to install game even have?

[@ItsJustJer]

Not surprised they actually do this thing, but both Microsoft and Roblox will just take them down, but it's honestly cool it can interact with each other, From what i know is that Minecraft is either C# or Java, and Roblox is probably somewhere C++ and Lua.

[@NeonBobert]

the video game multiverse is beginning...

[@cubedimensions]

that's why it's Cube Dimensions!

[@BerryPinkPhoenix]

the fact that works makes my brain hurts

[@Snowdragon37]

I got called out at the beginning of the video, I already had it at 2x speed Lol

[@UtahBoot]

1:39 bro was gasping for air

[@cubedimensions]

lol I thought about re-recording it but I decided to keep it in, I write up a script quickly and then read it over and struggle sometimes, and I get so impatient I'll just keep going until I run out of breath

[@ivan-zj6dn]

brick bronze isnt taken down it has many discord servers and the game keeps getting reuploaded they save data between games so you can play lemme know if someone wants the discord server

[@cubedimensions]

Bronze Forever commented in the first couple hours of this video's upload I believe

[@lavadino610]

brick bronze is back up and now you have to do a bunch of stuff to get in i hate the people who split off to make a new brick bronze

[@cubedimensions]

bronze forever commented the first day this video came out

[@VessleOfVoid]

I don't know why, but you just saying that if you have a short attention span to turn the video to 2x speed fixes any breaks in my attention span and makes me able to watch the whole video on 1x speed.

[@cubedimensions]

oddly my video is watched fully a good chunk of the time

[@miberss]

its because if we are told we cant do something we try to rebel lol

[@madmikefollower6939]

They won’t care enough

[@creativeiki1427]

I feel like this could be fixed using robux like having to pay robux in oreder to be able to play and since it'll probably be cheaper its cool cause its on a cross play server and not the whole of minecraft.

[@DANNY1TDM]

BUT WOULDN'T THAT RUIN INTO THE SAME ISSUE AS LEGO FNAF?

[@LineOfThy]

issue is that money's not going to microsoft

[@thecorneffect2068]

I just had a thought that you might be able to use roblox for free game servers for your own non roblox games.

[@cubedimensions]

You'd need at least one person in that roblox game for the server to start up

[@watcw]

it was crossplay project, then mine (block game crossplay), then mineplay

[@VenoxMClovervenox]

actually crossplay-wise it was Mineplay or Block Game Crossplay (unsure, maybe a few hours / days in between) and then Crossplay Project.

[@watcw]

@@VenoxMClovervenox i had actual crossplay (roblox and minecraft together) as well as chat and blocks days before mineplay made their first ever video

[@VenoxMClovervenox]

@@watcw sure... pretty sure mineplay was spot on with urss

[@greenleafgamerJPB]

Block game crossplay can also have both Java and Bedrock players

[@land3021]

0:31 Woah

[@sgdg7777]

i'd like to see them make a fully funtional minecraft that can run hypixel, so that i dont have to spend 30 bucks for it

[@LeReubzRic]

I played Mineplay and I built something :O

[@Elomentoplayz]

"Server sharting"

[@KanyeviI]

good video 👍

[@BasementDweller_]

What’s a mineplay?

[@supervisor360]

crazy how roblox is more lenient than minecraft

[@NeptuneGigabyte]

never actually sued anyone

[@cubedimensions]

Compared to the other fan projects if Brick Bronze actually was selling game passes, Nintendo had a good reason to sue the original creators however it would be really bad to sue teenagers who clearly put the game together, luckily it worked out for them because that group still has a relevant game (assuming over 1K concurrent players makes a lot of money)

[@kacperkasprzak476]

What is the IP of the server?

[@maxjaxx]

Why are you always live?

[@cubedimensions]

cause I exist in the other dimensions

[@zuhergamer5663]

Mojang employee 😂😂

[@DRAGNIL68]

gysermc is funded by cubecraft

[@cubedimensions]

you act as if they are some big boogeyman, who cares about cubecraft

[@bobboiplays]

sadly it wont work rn

[@Rayleigheffects]

So just make the crossplay Roblox side coat rubux to join, give that back to mojang 🧠

[@HameleoshaDeHoga]

I thought it said cosplays

[@cubedimensions]

lol

[@Tr33sluvu3]

W thumbnail bruh

[@cubedimensions]

canon event

[@seandashine]

353 views in 6 hours bro fell off 😢😢😢😢

[@Tr33sluvu3]

Snake

[@cubedimensions]

you should start commenting on your own videos, because it'd be more accurate

[@miberss]

@@cubedimensions holy moly

[@vermamaerodriguez96]

oh no

[@44ourignxo]

i had to put that shi on 0.75

[@44ourignxo]

yoo eaglercraft i play that shi at school

[@kleefirestar]

Ok

[@Eyan17]

Crosscraft 2

[@Eyan17]

the pixel

[@cubedimensions]

@@Eyan17 will grow

[@SuperSystimic]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@SuperSystimic]

i have always loved the idea of minecraft and roblox cross play this is very useful news

[@cubedimensions]

lol

[@projectbronzeforever]

ayyyyyy

[@cubedimensions]

I haven't played Roblox in years, so it's weird to see the actual re-made project show up!

[@skele3776]

Mojang can't do proper Bedrock and Java crossplay, yet has the audacity to legally threaten someone who has done it better than them. Mojang is a complete joke, I had so much respect for that company, now they are becoming second Nintendo. Fun not allowed, moto of every game corporation.

[@SawBSketch]

they only took down pirated minecraft, not the roblox crossplay or geyser, Yet. Maybe watch the video before being angry.

[@Relphy]

You're saying you wouldn't take down a pirated version of your game? They didn't ever take down geyser or roblox crossplay projects.

[@skele3776]

​@@SawBSketch Orr maybe don't put clickbait name nd' make the vid short, cuz i don't have time wasting my life 🙄🙄

[@skele3776]

​​@@RelphyThe video is about rblx crossplay between mc nd' rblx.🙄

[@Relphy]

@skele3776 Have you actually watched the video? They aren't taking down geyser or the cross play project, only taking down eaglercraft which was pirated browser minecraft.

[@SabaSabanashvili]

As somone who love minecraft but hate robox i dont care

[@agilecandle428]

then this video isnt for you and you dont need to watch it or comment

[@cubedimensions]

@@agilecandle428 no, let this person leave a comment it gives me a slight boost in the algorithm, even if it's ridiculous to do something like say he doesn't care while clicking on the video at the same time

[@grassnothing1631]

Bruh