Minecraft is now BANNING Griefers

[@apotato5919]

The most astounding thing about this video is that Fit went two minutes 28 seconds without saying "the oldest anarchy server in minecraft"

[@Dude-vq3oe]

Agreed

[@awfulwaffles8490]

He was actually cutting it really close here, if he goes 2 minutes 30 seconds without saying "the oldest anarchy server in Minecraft" he flatlines immediately

[@newlineschannel]

True lol

[@kyanite16]

fr

[@Somebodythatiusedtoknoww]

I know when he went more than 5 minutes without saying “the oldest anarchy server in Minecraft”

[@NitroFunWon]

I feel like people should have an option to enable reporting on their own hosted server, and not globally across all servers

[@10_points]

EXACTLY

[@MishIzHere]

Just like vac-bans on steam

[@PlasmaOne]

This should stay as a community effort. MCBans used to be a thing. Lets not try to do this again

[@TheSanctuaryMCServer]

This, no one else should be allowed to decide whats against the rules on my own Server. (Illegal and Lawbreaking stuff aside.)

[@JustJoshtified]

O as

[@Seed]

In my opinion, it's just to slippery of a slope to go down... I get they did something wrong, but the way they were banned was not fitting. Can people be banned for tweeting something bad, or saying something bad in a stream on in Discord? It's just not a good idea.

[@yankeesSC]

Yea

[@orsondmc]

We agree

[@rippoking8297]

Here before your comment blows up

[@luckyy5845]

Betting this comment getting at least 200 likes

[@pixeldubsofficial]

On an SMP I play on, it's semi anarchy, there is rules and stuff and rep system with market, but greifing is allowed out of spawn, but now you can't even play the game your way if greifing is allowed on a server.

[@neoneanderthal2658]

This whole entire thing reminds me of something an old person once told me - It's legal to shit in the woods, but shit enough of the woods and someone's gonna try and stop you.

[@le_fancy_squid]

That's actually a really good point. The reason that a lot of laws exists is because it may not have been so much of an issue at some point, but if it begins to become a reoccurring problem then as time goes on you have to do something.

[@Jaytyy]

This just became twitter 2.0 with all the keyboard warriors and the owner being involved 😂

[@mostlyharmfulll2103]

I like how Fit is slowly moving away from only covering 2B2T and also talks about Minecraft stuff in general.

[@andrejosue98]

Well this affects 2b2t, doesn't it?

[@mostlyharmfulll2103]

@@andrejosue98 Yes, but 2B2T is not the only server affected. Most of his past videos are only about 2B2T and nothing else.

[@thespooner3906]

Seems like a lot of people are getting away from 2b2t these days. Im not sure why really, maybe theres not a lot to cover thats been done already, or people might be getting bored

[@mr.voidroy6869]

@Doctor_Who it can. He said that if they take video evidence and act on it. Techinally all content uploaded from 2b2t with hacks could get everyone banned

[@latergator9622]

Well the group did originate from 2b2t right? So it's technically still 2b2t content

[@jaroslavdzurilla5103]

Banning griefers for 12 years is basically like telling them to grow up.

[@Teh_Random_Canadian]

Good

[@Drone_D125]

While being 12 yourself

[@testgamer571]

if you can’t handle losing your work ( have multiple times for year-long worlds) or want someone to get banned for cyber harassment (it has happened to me too), YOU’RE the one who needs to grow up.

[@6-dpegasus425]

​@TestGamer it's not whether the victim can handle it, it's just more preventative measures.

[@phaseaken]

@@6-dpegasus425🙁

[@Windows__2000]

I think the focus is on the "cause harm to other players" part rather than "hacked client". Mojang can't afford to ban mods and they know it.

[@thealientree3821]

Nintendo banning mods for their entire lifespan:

[@Windows__2000]

@@thealientree3821 yh bcs nintendo games are so good they can get away being complete dckheads.

[@thealientree3821]

@@Windows__2000 So should Microsoft, in fact probably more so because they own an entire computer software, so what would be the difference?

[@Windows__2000]

@@thealientree3821 Mojang isn't Microsoft

[@Miko_Hanamori]

@@thealientree3821 That's because they strictly enforce it, and it's only a small part of their community that mods their games. Minecraft is a sandbox game, and the devs have made it explicitly clear they will not punish modding, and even encourage it, so changing that fact suddenly would cause an uproar.

[@stevenbishop6959]

If they were only griefing on anarchy or pvp servers then I'd say mojang is being stupid. But these guys made a piece of software specifically to target random peoples servers. So the bans were justified in my eyes. That being said I also fear this is going to lead to more extreme bannings.

[@BabyKnxckz]

yeah the harrasing banns are kinda justified, but not the rest also whats not justified is the banning of innocent people that got connected to the group years ago in a video...

[@HelloIbeMatt]

Mojang is in the process of making the game 10 and under. I wish I was joking. They are currently targeting mods that don't even have violent aspects. If it's too difficult? Mojang says no. Too complex of an idea? Nope. That's the real problem here. As for the griefers? Honestly, gtf over it. If you're playing on an unwhitelisted server or a server without greif protection, you deserve it. It's a block game. We really gonna cry about our sandcastle getting knocked over? Y'all too sensitive. Maybe you should try stardew valley. It's a great safe game where mean people can't break your stuff.

[@markdsm-5157]

@@HelloIbeMatt Get tired of that 'just a game' argument. It's just a game to you. Others invest more time and thought into it. and for some kids, it's an escape from shitty lives. Though, it does teach these kids they need to learn more about securing a server and such. It's also hilarious that the same people that are grieving other servers also yell at Hause "This is suppose to be anarchy, not tyranny!" every time he changes something on the server and start protesting, just to go off and be tyrannical to little kids that don't know all the coolest exploits.

[@andrek6920]

@@HelloIbeMatt If youre griefing random peoples servers and you get banned, you deserve it. Its a block game. We really gonna cry about getting banned for being an annoying piece of shit? Y'all too sensitive. Maybe you should try single player. Its a great safe place to grief where mean developers can't ban you.

[@markdsm-5157]

@GodNotReal because a lot of these little kids are innocent and don't know any better. Just to have someone come along and destroy 'all their hard work' and tell them it's their fault for not protecting their server better. We're talking about Griefers here. it's what they do. This is just another excuse to go grief something, while trying to look righteous about it.

[@Yahiamice]

What TeamAvolition was doing 10-12 years ago was trolling and griefing in it's purest form; going to popular minecraft servers, oftentimes hosted by subreddits, forums & big internet communities and wrecking enough havoc to be noticed. That, i'd consider punching up Scanning the world wide web for vulnerable, amateur hosted minecraft servers for the sole purpose of effortlessly griefing, using as many hacked clients & nuke mods to ease the job, without any soul behind it is just punching down at the most innocent of people. It's outright deplorable, and i believe they deserve their twelve year ban

[@kapsaysin]

Same. They absolutely deserve the ban and I don't feel bad at all.

[@millionsmustdie]

Or just yk put a password on the server…..

[@aadarshroy3216]

@@millionsmustdie Imagine having to tell 20 people in your friends group what the server password is for every time they want to log on to play

[@consumerofbepsi5254]

​@@millionsmustdie if you forget to lock your door does that give me free reign to go in your house and break everything?

[@typhoon1575]

​@@millionsmustdie yes. Let us blame rhe server owners instead of the people doing it. That's like defending burglars by saying that homeowners should have bought better locks

[@nik7069]

Fun fact: when he showed time at 3:59 The 4166 days ban count is a reference to the time since Minecraft's release. At the time of the ban, Minecraft released 4166 days earlier.

[@Garviel_Loken.]

Appreciate Mojang sense of humour 😂

[@Mikustan39]

Jesus Christ it’s been over that long already. Thanks for making me realize that.

[@GrahamboPC]

let’s see Minecraft in that time

[@bldshrerwok7121]

​@@Garviel_Loken. It seems to me that there are two jokes here: the griefer will have to wait 12 years, and also this griefer can come out after Minecraft turns 24 years old.

[@hades1890]

@@bldshrerwok7121 Do you honestly think they don't have more than one account?

[@katkit6817]

I think mojang mentioning “using hack clients to harm other players” is an interesting slip up. The word harm could imply “bullying or harassment”, but it awkward that it’s not directly punishable in the rules

[@sefisab]

Griefing does not harm Dont cry over minecraft and get backups

[@forwenein2669]

@@sefisab says the guy who's crying over getting banned in minecraft, lmao

[@kniazjarema8587]

@@forwenein2669 But they don't even let you play single player, so what is this?

[@katkit6817]

​@@sefisab It may not litereally physically harm, but it does inlfict mental stress on the victims. My friend groups treasure our server very much. I also think its silly to victim blame and say they should have a backup. There were a lot of niche naive communities hosting these servers, like churches, families, and friends. They're the last ones expecting to have their private games destroyed by strangers. This shouldn't have to be a problem the average Joe worries about. Also if griefing didn't harm there would probably be no reason to grief. There's gratification in destroying what others have worked so hard to create. If there was no sense of permanency I'm sure there would be less motives and griefers overall.

[@eliescobis9922]

@@sefisab says the guy who is crying because they banned him in a block game XDXDXD pathetic

[@ikbenmathijs9424]

6:00 just a sidenote: this part is talking about how you're not allowed to distribute minecraft's copyrighted code. Basically a normal mod doesn't contain any of minecraft's code, rather the modloader "patches" the mod inside your existing minecraft installation. This is because minecraft's code is copyrighted and legally if you'd send a download link of a full minecraft client with a mod added in it'd be piracy

[@refficial]

basically meaning don’t distribute MCP mods

[@DonickPL]

​@@refficialwhat do u mean

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

It's dumb because you can download a full copy of Minecraft from Mojang's server without logging in.

[@_abzy]

⁠@@thewhitefalcon8539It's not a full copy, it's just the launcher. When you open a game version version for the first time, it downloads it at that point.

[@RawbLV]

@@thewhitefalcon8539 That doesn't cancel the copyright.

[@TheAir2142]

Honestly it would have been more funny to make a Herobrine bot based off of Baritone. It watches streamers from a distance until the streamer begins approaching at which point it then runs. If the player gets too close it logs. That would have been some good trolling.

[@Preinstallable]

lmao

[@Praecantetia]

We can still do that

[@Teh_Random_Canadian]

That would have been funny and non destructive trolling. What they did is essentially hack to find these servers that were vulnerable and destroy them... really got nothing better to do?

[@Gaster601]

Now imagine a group of like 20 baritone accounts doing that :D

[@supermasterfighter]

@@Teh_Random_Canadian It's not even hacking, they literally just used some skid port scanner and scanned random ip addresses in a certain port range, hardly "ground breaking technology", you can even make a bash script of it easily with very little experience (though you may need a beefier cpu to do it effectively that way)

[@daybreakeryt]

Remember when Mojang used to be like "Play Multi-player servers at your own risk" 😂

[@shadowdragon9490]

I do. How the times have changed 💀

[@SMCwasTaken]

I mildly dislike you

[@freewyvern707]

Unfortunately that doesn't cut it for the game Minecraft is now

[@TheSanctuaryMCServer]

Its weird. I always laughed at Disclaimers on Games where they tell you that Playing on Private Servers the Dev is not Responsible, (as that is common sense). Apparently not anymore, really weird.

[@ockertoustesizem1234]

the good old days

[@AyySorento]

Griefing on a server you play on is one thing. Going out of your way to find servers to destroy is another. Griefing is not harassment, but what those users did was.

[@GameMaker3_5]

I think I agree with that, many of the people in these comments come across as saying "They deserve EVERYTHING that happened to them because they didn't set their servers to whitelist, make world save states, or hire moderators. They were ASKING for this to happen!!!!" Some people might just want to welcome new people who they've never met before, or just don't have anyone else to play with... But, to be fair, Mojang DID take a really heavy handed approach to their handling of these griefers, even banning people who weren't directly involved because their name appeared in a CHATLOG of a video made long ago that one of the griefers had on their KZbin channel. They're setting up a very slippery slope that can open the door to more egregious abuses of power in the near future... Hey, the griefers weren't the saints they claim to be, but neither is Mojang to an extent.

[@William_E]

​@@GameMaker3_5 I've walked many broken worlds. The sadness is aweful. Never wish ruin on another, no mater how much your dissatisfied.

[@Jane-qh2yd]

A non whitelisted server is basically a public one. That's like getting banned from hacking on Hypixel. It's stupid.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

No, it's just game breaking buffoonery.

[@Piipperi800]

Exactly, I think these bans are 100% justified when you’re targetting certain players across servers, and destroying random servers where 1. griefing is not allowed and 2. you aren’t really invited to in the first place. I’ve ran small servers and I have enabled whitelisting on all of them just because of this. But let me tell you, when the server owner (me) is from Europe and new players join often trying to join from the US when I’m sleeping, it’s not easy to manage. Or just generally when I or some other mods are not at the computer to whitelist a new player at that time. Everyone just doesn’t have the time or knowledge to manage whitelists.

[@jordanwardle11]

Just an FYI, customer service is rarely talking between themselves so responses can be different. But they got banned for the indexing mods and the mass griefing of worlds. That's it. The in-game messages could be a behind the scenes change

[@HeadsDisplay]

yes but because of the change in why they were ban as well other who did not take part in it that could have been ban from a edit video could and will open Microsoft to a lawsuit. but we will have to wait and see

[@atlesifeyst2185]

nah harassment is harassment. they want to do that kind of content, even for views OR cash.

[@FitMC]

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[@RedstoneMiner18]

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[@RedstoneMiner18]

I mean thanks

[@glaudemberglucio2900]

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[@Plofferfish]

Hello

[@lil.ae86]

Okk

[@MilesLupine]

Basic griefing should be a more server by server case by the people that run the servers. But when it comes to literally setting up a database to target specific people like that, then it definitely crosses the line hard with how they literally could have been tampering with the livelihood of the streamers and content creators. And the retroactive bans are a bit sketchy, especially for those that probably were not even part of the group anymore when the going too far happened.

[@gamesgamesgamesgay4847]

I wonder to what degree they are opening themselves up to civil suit, given they are impacting the livelihood of streamers. I doubt we'd ever see that actually happen, but I am curious from a hypothetical perspective.

[@kojitakamura2522]

At the same time, it's the streamer or server operator's fault for not doing proper backups of their worlds at the minimum. at the same time, mojang has never gone much further than whitelisting for server protections.

[@queuedjar4578]

What if someone's playing a server where griefing is an intended mechanic, such as a towny or factions server with base raiding as a feature? Now people are going to be banned for playing a server in its expected way?

[@JesusChrist42000]

@@queuedjar4578 is that what happened?

[@JesusChrist42000]

@@kojitakamura2522 yes blame the victims they should have known it was possible to join the server without the IP of said server. They should have expected that a group would create a database and grief the world

[@tylerapplecyder]

I think it's safe to say that we all knew this would happen the moment Mojang accounced that Microsoft accounts would be mandatory in Java Edition.

[@ptitjo2920]

People were warned

[@timbo303official9]

@Ptitjo like we had any option wish we could sue. You practically either lose access to a purchase or be forced to play a worst product.

[@highway_roadkill]

@@timbo303official9 how has the product worsened with the migration to Microsoft accounts? literally nothing has changed, Mojang can just better enforce their TOS that's been here the whole time.

[@v.rokumonsen9338]

Let minecraft neighbourhoods be, no step on snake

[@tylerapplecyder]

@@highway_roadkill +420 Minecoins

[@BiosElement]

Support staff likely don't even have the full story behind the ban so shouldn't be read into very deeply. These accounts are clearly harassing people and frankly should have been banned the moment they targeted individual accounts. It's hard to even argue griefing itself isn't harassment but targeting individuals clearly is.

[@SolaceCafe]

I disagree, I don't think you *should* be able to be banned from all third party servers. it's a third party server, moderation should be up to them.

[@rush9800]

That’s a shitty response if your griefing people your not constantly playing on the same same server the only way to get punished is my mc

[@wandereringshadow8658]

Moderation should be left up to servers, but I do agree that if someone is attacking the 'Greater Minecraft Community' as a whole, then upper moderation should take over.

[@Moe_Posting_Chad]

@@wandereringshadow8658 Attacking what? Public servers? By doing what? Entering the game and digging a hole? Stop being unreasonable. This is the modern age, and if you're unwilling to be tech literate. You're going to get robbed and cheated by others. Minecraft is a perfectly safe place to learn this lesson, because its learned in play. Its the most natural way for humans to learn survival lessons. Like... Locking your front door.

[@KevinLGlory]

@@wandereringshadow8658 Oh, how about this, as a member of the "Greater Minecraft Community", I can say I've acknowledged that this is only a game and believe banning people from the entire game for destroying blocks is silly. What's the value of building something great if it's going to last forever and can't be destroyed anyways, already proves the only opinion you care about is your own.

[@nnoir]

My opinions aligns with yours. Fifth column went too far with the griefing. It is harassment and Mojang should've just left it at that. Perhaps different employees carried out the bans and that's why the reason is inconsistent but who knows. Moral of the story, the anarchy needs to be contained otherwise Mojang will do something about it.

[@blinking_dodo]

They should have been more careful and precise with those bans in the first place. Verify the claims and properly set a ban policy. Then they could ban with a consistent reason and appropriate ban duration. Especially since this is the first ban they would be doing for these reasons.

[@nnoir]

@@blinking_dodo I agree

[@katmeka]

fr griefing is literally so crazy to me like why do you have to join servers and groups specifically to cause harm to ppl and harass them? get a life

[@DanielPereira-ey9nt]

They have to do something about it to protect their image, some of the player base may not be happy but parents see actions like these as a sign that the game is safe for their children

[@ozan7427]

Its the fun of the game ffs. People like u guys literally make the games childish if someone wants to grief or build let them servers have ADMINS AND RULES AND WHITELIST. A company cant ban u on things like this even though u paid money dont be idiots.

[@anatolklops]

For me, there is a difference between when they entered a random server and sowed chaos there, and when they targeted specific people by their name to prevent them from e.g. running a stream. The first case will only be a manifestation of chaos, but the second one is definitely subject to bullying, because it is aimed at a specific person.

[@Thegamecheats]

Hard agree, they literally were scanning every IP address to target specific people. That is probably borderline illegal. Still, I think Microsoft should just enable whitelist by default and perhaps have some built in world backup options that auto-save backups of a world instead of trying to fix this by banning people. The type of complete nerd degenerates they are banning too are just the type of people who know where to buy 1000 hacked alts for like $5 anyways so banning isn't really a solution. I don't agree with this weird obsession with targeting streamers these people have, but I think instead of just banning them Microsoft should find a way to prevent these attacks from even being possible. If anything, they should be using their resources to target P2W servers. That would actually be respectable and less "clout chasing"

[@frenix9882]

For me its not, for me the line is drawn between anarchy seevers and privste ones, fishing for private ips is just non targeting bullying

[@umadbroimatroll7918]

@@frenix9882 just use a whitelist, they are just scraping PUBLIC INFO, it's the same as googling your name and having a surprised pikachu face when you see it links to your facebook and other social media and probably your home address. You cant call your server private if it has no whitelist, that's like calling your home safe when it has a sign that says "free housing" and you dont have a front door at all, of course crazies will show up.

[@Thegamecheats]

@@umadbroimatroll7918 I still think legally speaking, scanning every octet of IP address space to target individuals probably falls under some sort of stalking or harassment law. Yes- they should have a whitelist, but this obsessive behavior definitely shows the people who do this kind of stuff aren't well adjusted.

[@frenix9882]

@@umadbroimatroll7918 bruh people opening servers for them and their 2 friends dont think to deep into it cause you dont expect some1 to be so bored and evil to just go around trying to make your day miserable, or dont even know thats a possibility. I actually went and saw one of their vids to see what they were actually doing. And its hard to watch and van worthy, plain evil

[@Kayun-]

That's up to the server owners, not mojang

[@requiem165]

Agreed

[@darkonyx6995]

Bet you feel dumb after watching the video.

[@Vaul.]

@@darkonyx6995 they don’t need to *feel* dumb

[@10_points]

I agree

[@zyrofumi6040]

fax my brother

[@SandDragon91]

This is the epitome of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

[@ChadDulake]

I think by hacked client Mojang might be referencing their bit that scans servers since that has the express intent of being malicious and finding servers for them to attack.

[@venomousfrog5546]

That's probably what the ppl who wrote that were thinking of, yes. The only issue is that it could set s dangerous precedent.

[@mobgabriel1767]

Doesn't change the problem of them using vídeo evidence to decide who lives and who gets banned,How do they know about the Discord bot if not vídeo evidence

[@VelaiciaCreator]

@@venomousfrog5546 A dangerous precedent of people finally having real consequences to being horrible to other people?

[@venomousfrog5546]

@Jessica Zhi no, of using video footage as evidence. There's a theoretical risk of fake footage being used to get someone banned. This seemed an unusual case so it's very unlikely, though.

[@VelaiciaCreator]

@@venomousfrog5546 If you believe footage is the only dirt one can dig up on serial griefers known for such, especially when everything runs through their databases... Then you're not thinking hard enough.

[@TheCynicalCommentator]

I’ll say it once and I’ll say it again. It should be up to the server owners over what actions should be taken since that’s how it’s been since Minecraft was created. I do agree with banning the players who took part in the Griefs because of the extent of them, but Microsoft using these reasons and banning players based on evidence that can be forged easily, makes me concerned for what they’re going to do for the future.

[@darkonyx6995]

Pretty sure it's always a bit too late for the casual server owners to ban them before getting their whole game griefed.

[@sierra991]

@@darkonyx6995 have you considered... idk, taking a backup? enabling whitelist? banning unknown people when they join your game?

[@asdadadadff123]

@@darkonyx6995 No backup, no sympathy. If it's too important to lose then you better start backing it up. Maybe it's malicious actors like griefers or hackers, maybe it's hardware failure, or maybe just some software bug or broken update. Always assume that data-loss is a "when" and not an "if". If you practice proper data safety then no griefer will ever cause any lasting damage. On the flipside, Mojang just banning a few griefers, without fixing the server ping exploits and whitelist problems, does excatly nothing to protect your server from griefers. They just make new accounts and try harder. That is how people like that function. In terms of safety it like this: Preventing the problem on your end > Hoping the dev fixes the exploit > Having the dev ban a few bad actors.

[@tacticallemon7518]

Not even that You can get banned from online because of easily fake able screenshots on *all versions* of minecraft IE, you can get perma banned from playing with your friends for something you didn’t do

[@darkonyx6995]

@@sierra991 Guess what? Not everyone knows how to make a backup or enable a whitelist.

[@patrickdonovan7843]

This whole issue could have been solved if the servers needed white listing or if mojang added a join request feature.

[@APerson-14]

Yes

[@fade5364]

Or mabye by not griefing

[@whodis5387]

​@FADE, we don't live in a fairy tale people are going to grief no matter what. The best way to slove this problem is to do what Patrick Donovan said.

[@patrickdonovan7843]

@@fade5364 griefing has been around since multiplayer began

[@twqzjsidIsndusiakdixisqjeksixi]

​​@@patrickdonovan7843 yeah, griefing is a part of minecraft, but it should be only allowed when played in real anarchy servers. A random person invading your server to kill you and grief your work is not fair nor desirable. This is minecraft, not Elden Ring.

[@disciple2742]

Its funny how the griefers live to really upset people then when they get banned they start crying and getting butthurt

[@PolySorinYT]

L

[@MonkeyMod]

Frrrr

[@blazingender4400]

Yeee

[@jeremydale4548]

Serves those assholes right

[@r6rig]

Lmao

[@TeeBean]

Rest in peace every 2b2t player 🪦

[@excalibur493]

>burns a naturally generated mansion >banned h u h

[@midleno8364]

finally they get to wipe that scum off the earth

[@Thegamecheats]

Griefing on 2B2T is a lot different than scanning every IP address to stalk and harass individuals.

[@warmike]

imagine 2b2t becoming a pirate server

[@Sensoooo]

@@clexo2155 can't wait to play 1piece1treasure

[@alanduhl2677]

I think the hacked client they are referring to was using code to find and harass users. Yea it was worded badly, but mods and other hack clients aren’t going anywhere. The group completely deserved what happened.

[@justsomerandomguywithoutab5896]

The problem with wording it badly is that it can be used as a legal loophole for Mojang and Microsoft to ban users they don't like in general, even if they didn't do griefing (like popular streamers criticizing minecraft in the open on youtube/Twitter and also having an account, using a modded client but only a few times or for testing purposes). Not only that, it is basically like Discord's TOS, which itself is so vague, it's being exploited by Discord corp. themselves. There's a reason that lawyers and other legal professionals always write stuff specifically, so there is almost no loopholes for all parties, either in one side's benefit or both. If a lawyer saw this video and was representing Microsoft and Mojang against angry players, he/she would roast Mojang/Microsoft for writing something so bad, that the opposing lawyers would be able to bring it to court about power abuse. Whoever replied to the griefers is an idiot, because they were representing Microsoft and Mojang, publicly and legally for this mess.

[@DessertArbiter]

@@justsomerandomguywithoutab5896 pretty much every EULA for any service with online accounts has a clause saying they "reserve the right to terminate your account for any reason"

[@Garviel_Loken.]

Abso-nucking-lutely

[@Garviel_Loken.]

​​​@@justsomerandomguywithoutab5896 what players can Mojang not like that Mojang would ban them without evidences? Russians? Counter strike players? Biden followers? 😂

[@killet2b]

Something that wasn't touched on much is that a lot of us were banned for joining the servers. Not griefing, not hacking. Considering how many accounts were banned, and how little evidence there was.... There has to be some false bans that slipped in... Lots of people were banned by mere association. So now you can be banned for joining a server with someone? Seems legit.

[@alexh3974]

They overly crossed lines, and depeveloping bots and systems to execute a planned and rapid campaign of dozens of strikes inside of one week is very much a whole new level. Especially high profile strikes

[@megastorm75fbds56]

agreed, griefing someone who plays in a server that you also play is "ok" i'd say, now, developing bots and shit to raid people's "private" servers is not ok imo

[@richardpike8748]

@@megastorm75fbds56 5c: scans, logs, and attacks minecraft servers 5c: gets banned by Mojang Also 5c: surprised pikachu face Edit: Mojang, not MS

[@julioce0389]

Do this dont have anything to than just griefing the shit out of people?, like DEVELOPING A BOT, i dont even know what to say about it jeez

[@megastorm75fbds56]

@@richardpike8748 yep, pretty much 🤣

[@AceFaz]

​@@richardpike8748 Mojang: Advertises a Sand Box game, where you can do whatever you want. 5c: Pays for the game and plays it without breaking any rules. Mojang: Prevents them from playing and lies about the reason.

[@GameJam230]

Now here's the thing: I agree that this has already passed the line of harassment and bullying. They LITERALLY searched for and targeted players on servers based on their usernames, if that isn't deliberate harassment, I wouldn't even be able to define the word to you. However, if this problem extends to things like anarchy servers, servers which explicitly allow griefing, or harmless pranks like filling a base with chickens, then there is a huge problem. Mojang needs to allow servers to moderate their own communities for some of these subjects

[@jacksonbarkerthebluehairedfox]

Sometimes a grief is justified if the world is full of hate symbols and imagery, but otherwise its just unnecassary and only done to cause grief to innocent people. And the fact people put their coding knowledge into writing scripts meant to grief some poor kid's Minecraft world? Get a goddamn life and stop making literal children cry if ya do that.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

The griefers I dealt with were always bored teenaged buffoons. Personally I say we just nerf/remove TNT to make griefing not fun.

[@GameJam230]

@@samsonsoturian6013 or, how about instead of asking Mojang to remove decently major features of the game because a handful of people have had bad experiences with them, you just use your big boy decision making powers to only play on servers that disable TNT damage and other common griefing methods..? Nah, you're right. Surely we should give Microsoft even MORE control over what we are and aren't allowed to do on privately owned and run servers for a literal sandbox game.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

@@GameJam230 You act like you're personally threatened by nerfing griefing materials

[@GameJam230]

@@samsonsoturian6013 No, but TNT is extremely useful for technical players for many automatic farms, and I'm an extremely technical player who loves testing the limits of the game's mechanics. I don't want MY experience with the game to be ruined because you don't have the ability to choose to play on servers with anti-griefing tools

[@penguinpingu3807]

Honestly, they should have seen this coming. Griefing in smaller servers with server owners with less experience on operating a server is just harassment. Claiming that they should "expect this to happen" and they should be prepared. Is still not a good excuse for literally destroying of hours of work that was put into the server, THAT IS INFACT PRIVATE AND NOT PUBLIC. Because they did this for their own amusement. They are not victims. But the banned reasons are a concern though. Note: I don't care if you grief in public servers or private servers that your were invited in that allows it. As I done my fair share of griefing myself in one server, that allows it. But you don't see me out there explicitly target venerable servers just to grief for my amusement.

[@polaroid8349]

its literally public if it doesnt use a whitelist and if you host a server that doesnt regularly back up then its you're own fault if your world corrupts, gets griefed, someone uses a duplication glitch etc.

[@THOSEWHOKNOWTROLL]

its server's fault, you have the tools to prevent that, every server is public if its not whitelisted

[@AppleGaming4Real]

@@polaroid8349no it’s not the servers fault. It’s people being assholes

[@LL-ro3ue]

@@THOSEWHOKNOWTROLLur slow in the head shut up

[@lostnumbr]

@@THOSEWHOKNOWTROLL so if your door isn't locked it's okay for someone to just walk in and smash your stuff?

[@flydrop8822]

The message at 3:47 just hits really hard. While we can all disagree with the actions of many of these griefers and other ones banned, we need clear standards of what is an actual crime and what isn't, because if they can ban them for subjective standards there are no reasons to assume they can't ban us.

[@flintstone1409]

But its Microsoft, they do whatever they want and treat customers like shit. Nothing new there.

[@Seeker118]

@@flintstone1409 there was a time when they cared

[@theendofthestart8179]

If mojang set specific boundaries for what is and isn’t ok, finding loopholes, workarounds, or maybe just toeing the line would be far too easy, this is seen in EVERY VIDEO GAME EVER MADE

[@flydrop8822]

@@theendofthestart8179 are you seriously argumenting that having set boundaries is bad because it would make cheating around said boundaries too easy? Sorry, but if thats the case, thats one of the dumbest thing i have ever heard.

[@Reg_The_Galah]

I’d definitely get banned because I used to use a hacked client back in the day. Never griefed or acted demickey, it was a useful tool to traverse 2b2t and made building mega projects easier.

[@malice926]

-sigh- Fit, there's a whole other part of this, the simple fact of the matter is that they probably can't even join their own servers. That's a whole other animal to all of this. Mojang and Microsoft should not be capable of instituting a total ban across the board for any account, otherwise they are committing a willful breach of contract on both the client and server software.

[@technoturnovers7072]

it's not a contract, it's a license agreement

[@almicc]

@@technoturnovers7072 that's even less powerful in court than a contract, i hope someone tries to sue Mojang for their policies because I'm sure they could win against them

[@NowBringIt]

@@almicc They have deep pockets.

[@malice926]

@@technoturnovers7072 Contract: 1. An agreement between two or more parties, especially one that is written and enforceable by law. 2. The writing or document containing such an agreement. By definition it's a contract.

[@Aura_Mancer]

@@malice926 The EULA is not enforceable by law? You and the business giving you the EULA have to follow the laws that exists. Outside of that? The company could take access from you if they wanted. You could sue them for scamming you, but I don't think a judge would rule that, in this case, the 5c members are in the right.

[@nightigal]

My opinion on this is similar to my opinion on the reporting feature. Server owners and moderators should have the final say on what is and isn't allowed on their servers. Anarchy servers should be allowed to exist. The 5th Collum members 100% earned their ban. They went too far.

[@Thumbsdwn]

I think it is more simple than most people realize: Mojang will only take action if it hurts their bottom line. It is all about money. Don't forget, Minecraft is owned by MICROSOFT...

[@witchhatter]

I've been feeling this since the game-wide text moderation. Heavy-handed stuff like this will just keep happening; that's how corporations like microsoft work. Maybe it's high time for a wave of indie minecraft-likes.

[@Deltexterity]

that's why they stayed docile about this until the griefers started targeting streamers. streamers are free advertisement for minecraft, so the second that happens they think they might lose money, and they go on a rampage. personally i do think the bans were deserved, but i doubt they actually did it for the sake of "being good".

[@DeadAccount53885]

@@witchhatter I feel the same. I think minecraft is starting to slightly overstay its welcome.

[@vangard9725]

Start pirating Minecraft en mass and make Microsoft feel the ramifications of their actions

[@witchhatter]

@@vangard9725 If you want to spite microsoft, pirating doesn't do much. Find and promote a competing game. I'm sure if we start wading through the sea of copycats, there's one or a few that are worth the attention. If not, we can make one. Software development is (currently) a free market you can jump into.

[@UserX-02]

Man I sure do love it when companies make terrible decisions

[@RedstoneMiner18]

Yup, a classic

[@memekip555]

fr

[@chickenfart4728]

just dont greif xD

[@RedstoneMiner18]

A MACINTOSH CLASSIC I got a macintosh classic for free, it still has to ship and I gotta test but it it was freeee

[@N0RZC]

A norm within Cancel Culture... classic L

[@shiba204]

That’s insane. Greifing is frowned upon, but this system seems so flawed and unnecessary.

[@zikriflanery7030]

Yeah, it's so unnecessary because the game already has features like turning off fire burning, tnt explosion, players ability to destroy block, etc Servers that don't want any griefers would use those features anyway.

[@Im_Domin_]

tbh thats not a system more of a case of mojang noticing a group of people doing something against the eula and having concrete evidence to ban them and banning them

[@guillermoelnino]

cruelty is the point.

[@cliniclown8786]

They didn't just ban regular griefers, they banned actual organized griefer groups with no life or hobbies

[@zeebaka]

​@@Im_Domin_ Then why was the ban reason inconsistent, and people who weren't involved banned as well?

[@Dibedyy]

I think mojang didn't mean that using "hacked clients" are the problem. The problem is that they are using the hacked clients to grief which makes the griefing more efficient and destructive. In my opinion there is of course no problem with griefing on 2b2t. But using the knowledge and experience they have, to destroy minecraft servers of streamers just to get attention or ruining a stream, is just trash. Even if they don't use hateful speech in any way, destroying the game for others is even worse.

[@gstupaluss7941]

I 100% agree!

[@stormcruiser2245]

I think this is where Mojang needs to make an exception to the rule. These guys have clearly been a problem outside of their ballfield, and I think it should reasonable for Mojang to say, “hey, this specific group has been an ongoing problem, so we are going to take SPECIFIC action on these individual accounts

[@idrk7509]

exceptions are bs, same rules apply to everyone

[@robert-janthuis9927]

Obviously when the rules were made no one thought "Oh, we need to be prepared in case someone makes a program that systematically scours the entire bloody internet for MC server IP addresses of servers that don't have a whitelist to then subsequently go ahead and deliberately join those servers to grief them." This is Mojang going, shit, this is maybe technically not forbidden by the EULA but this is definitely something we need to take a stand against because this is VERY bad. My guess is that we'll see an update to the EULA at some point in the not too distant future where this sort of thing will be banned.

[@WideMouth]

@@idrk7509 Exceptions make the rule. The rules being used for general cases don’t always work to fix exceptional cases, so exceptional rulings are needed.

[@OkagaCalifornia]

@@idrk7509brother, they are using a system that makes it easy to grief and ruin other people’s servers. Is Mojang to blame because of how weak the security is? Sure, there’s an argument for that, but these griefers use such unfair advantages that I nor anyone else should bat an eye if they make an exception for them.

[@THOSEWHOKNOWTROLL]

these guys do not deserve their ban, hacking and griefing should be allowed in minecraft, its your fault if you haven't whitelisted your server

[@Significantharrassment]

Boi do I love when companies contradict themselves

[@10_points]

I agree

[@mrneko2506]

Ah yes banning the cheater is bad decision

[@soulplexis]

"The moving contradiction"

[@ChickenJoe-tq6xd]

Doesn’t matter, it only takes one bootlicker who supports them for them to go through with it, it seemed like 95% of people were against the chat reporting but they still implemented it since 5% didn’t realize how bad of a precedent it is to let huge corps control speech

[@deleteduser8652]

​@@mrneko2506 do you know how power tripping starts? It starts with small bans. And then they start to act like a god Welp we always can use offline mode.

[@TheRian125]

I believe this should call for a revision of the EULA and banning conditions, to specifically target these kinds of griefing instead of putting every form of griefing in the same basket

[@testgamer571]

grow up and learn to protect your server yourself instead of punishing everyone for having fun in their own way

[@TheRian125]

@@testgamer571 grow up and a block game doesn't quite fit together

[@paxlux5288]

@@testgamer571 Simply don't use a hacked client to destroy random peoples' servers like the guy who got banned did.

[@the-digital-idiot]

@@testgamer571 I broke into your house and robed you, you don’t like that? Grow up, buy a gun and defend your self! No need for the police to get involved! Im sorry, but this type of behavior, going on to random servers without permission, need to be illegal, this isn’t “geiefing ”, it’s destruction of property.

[@testgamer571]

@@the-digital-idiot its not destruction of property if it’s a virtual game. Backups exist, whitelists exist, ip bans exist. This is all an excuse for Microsoft to appeal to a larger audience for more money, and you’re one of the people falling for their “good faith” argument

[@BixbyConsequence]

Malicious griefers clutching their pearls over consequences is just too precious for words.

[@SalC1]

Imagine if Mojang banned my accounts for literally enforcing their own EULA 😂

[@Jane-qh2yd]

This shows how bad these bans were. Sure, these griefers were assholes, but they used INTENDED GAME MECHANICS to grief an OPEN server. That's like getting banned for destroying a bed in hypixel bedwars.

[@aidanguy2182]

wouldnt put it past em

[@nothingherezero7182]

@@Jane-qh2yd no bruh they specifically Made a bot to target people to destroy streams there hobby or livelihood that harassment

[@endu-the-little]

The support team's reasoning is weird, but the bedrock edition having a different message seems to me like that's just the message you see if you get banned for "harassment or bullying". In the end, that's the system mojang made that's meant to be used for chat messages

[@StuffandThings_]

"meant to be used for chat messages" na, that was just the start. They always intended this, but have been taking it slow to minimize the backlash. Oh well, they'll realize the magnitude of their mistake when Hytale releases and instakills Minecraft.

[@StygianIkazuchi]

@@StuffandThings_ Wow you really need to get your nose out of Hytale's ass. You can't just "instakill" a game like Minecraft. Pokemon's latest games were absolute dogshit quality and yet not a single video game in existence has "instakilled" that franchise.

[@ShippoFoxD]

This needs to be the rules of the servers. Not Mojang or Microsoft.

[@Rocket_PC]

Yeah i think if the servers were okay with this they wouldnt've been banned I don't think it's that crazy to asume 90% of people don't wanna be griefed

[@frenix9882]

@@Rocket_PC i mean you dont need rules and moderstos for private servers wich is something they did grief

[@KK47ツ]

Yeah 100%

[@sleuthslime9775]

@@frenix9882 Those servers should be whitelist. Mojang should be setting whitelist enabled in default configs and educating it's userbase on common sense precautions, not banning people for stuff that isn't even against TOS.

[@frenix9882]

@@sleuthslime9775 i can tell you where i live , if this got to court, it wouldnt be hard for a lawyer to prove what they did falls under harrasment, so its against tos. I dont get why people want them to be unbaned, i get the methods were quite bad for the bans, but destroying worlds private worlds where people maybe put houndreds of hours into for the only sake of making them suffer is plain evil

[@MyNamesLucky]

This exact situation is happening on bedrock and MOJANG is hardly acknowledged it. There are discord bots that can take down entire realms

[@orangecampfire]

How is that happening if realms are invite only?

[@redcap5343]

@@orangecampfirethey aren’t. There is a thing called a realm code which is basically a server ip. And the bots look for realm codes posted anywhere on the internet.

[@jjaybuill3685]

It's too scary to play public multiplayer after they added report option

[@almicc]

scary part is that it doesn't even matter anymore if you do, you can be playing alone on your 1.12 version server and Mojang clearly reserves the right to ban you for anything provided they can stretch the terms of service far enough. accounts that haven't even been logged into in the last 5 years could possibly receive permanent global bans for a video they showed up in that was uploaded to KZbin long before these policies existed.

[@user-uo8ny1kj4c]

@@almicc thank god I don't play any versions of minecraft before 2015

[@igameidoresearchtoo6511]

@@almicc Thank god I have no only to actually play with on multiplayer (meaning I really never play it) so this isn't a huge issue for me. But I still absolutely do NOT support mojang outright proving we never owned the game, because you can just steal your ownership right from you, like a car dealer who sells you a car then the next morning you don't find it where to parked it because you drifted with said car and the dealer didn't allow that..stupid as hell. mojang must be harshly asked to reverse their report policies or else minecraft WILL die and it will be very very soon especially considering the last real update for minecraft before 1.18 and 1.16 was 1.7 and 1.20 looks like it will be as small as a 3 mb mod I found on curseforge that was developed by a single dev far faster than mojang ever could.

[@bokoblinlogic1619]

i havent even launched 1.19

[@igameidoresearchtoo6511]

@@bokoblinlogic1619 same bro same

[@FelrinKirla]

Mojang seems heavy-handed in their ban justifications, but the griefers had it coming tbh. If you mess with the money, they're going to mess with you.

[@typhoon1575]

I don't even care if it's for mojang's pocket. The world isn't your anarchy server. They went too far, and got what they deserved

[@fasddfadfgasdgs]

except those griefers are said money. They are also players that paid for the game also. If they got banned cause something in game lets them to without any modification to the clients then a perma ban could be a contract violation. 2nd they'd have to explain what griefing is. Sure you can blow up someone fictional castle does that consider harassment? Cause Harassment has a very specific term in legal documentation and it can be very hard to explain especially in a scenario like this. If they are constantly after someone yea that one is clear cut. But generally they'd use the term Harassment, not griefing.

[@typhoon1575]

@@fasddfadfgasdgs Their money is kind kf worthless when they decide to ruin the game for thousands of others. They deserve what they got

[@user-zl1vf4me1p]

@@typhoon1575 not the issue, even fits agrees that they deserved the ban exclusively for harrassment, the issue is the way mojang is baning players, based on "video evidence" is absolute garbage. If they want to keep banning griefing let there only be through their damn report system they pushed in. picture yourself in the future being falsely banned because of this. It wouldn't be funny anymore would it? Also I don't know why it reminds me to sexual harrassment police reports nowadays, no need for proof if the "victim" is a woman and the "criminal" a man.

[@toniotrussardi8126]

@@fasddfadfgasdgs thats on them,they know mojang changed and know that doing this and being public about would caugh up to them its like if u paid for a fps game and complained that u got banned for using aimbot

[@campagnian]

I am surprised by the audacity of 5th column members to even ask the reason they got banned, after making such a havoc in the community by griefing so many servers and streamers. They saw it coming from miles away

[@kniazjarema8587]

They got banned for 3 different reasons. I too, would ask Mojang what the hell are they smoking. Mojang did not behave professionaly, and they're multi-billion corporation. This is not the way to appease players.

[@gandalf_thegrey]

@@kniazjarema8587 Its also generally bad customer service.

[@mikumikuareka]

​@@kniazjarema8587 they were not "banned for 3 different reasons". The reason of the ban is "Harrassment and Bullying". There's no confusion about the reason, orsond knows exactly what Mojang banned him and his fellas for. The narrative about "Mojang banned us for 3 different reasons reee!!!" and "Mojang bans mods now reee!!!!" is orsond being manipulative, and he specifically pushed it onto Gildfesh and his saveminecraft movement, and he, as a good faith person, picked that up and started spreading misinformation. Orsond does that to water down the obvious fact that the ban was absolutely rightful, and there's no doubt he knows that.

[@forwenein2669]

@@gandalf_thegrey I'd say it's quite good customer service to rid their venue of problematic pests that worsen the experience for everyone else. kudos to mojang

[@Cloudd0]

- Create a group with the sole purpose of griefing innocent people worlds - Develop software to track every single server on the internet - Have a way to target specific people across multiple servers ad use it to harass them publicly - Record footage of it "Wtf why did i get banned"

[@MaceMyai]

My initial reaction was "Hell no let servers handle that internally" but given that there's a real person at the helm doing this, I think it's okay for exceptions to be made in extreme cases like what the 5th column was doing. As a compromise maybe Mojang could instead add a server property that's on by default that prevents flagged accounts from joining servers, that would protect random kids and servers with explicit anti-griefing and hacking rules but still allow these guys to play on servers like 2bt2, the oldest anarchy server in Minecraft' -and just their friends servers or something.

[@Infiny92]

If they want to play on anarchy servers, too bad for them, they’ll have to buy another account.

[@HobNob-tr1nm]

they should just make whitelist on by default in all servers

[@itap8880]

Problem is, we're talking private, mainly "non-premium" servers. If a "non-premium" server has a whitelist, all the griefers need to get in is change nickname. Literally the only thing protecting those servers from being destroyed is the non-disclosure of server IP. Therefore, banning them from the game is not about protecting random servers. It's about punishing those who break the unwritten laws just because it's not explicitly stated illegal.

[@mypie_mc]

My issue with this is not necessarily with action against the 5th column per-se. What they did was pretty darned serious, yes, and an official level response does make some sense. But ultimately, the way in which these bans were carried out is characterized by flagrant lack of transparency and due process, and that is not okay. Very reminiscent of the recent wave of creator bans on youtube and twitch, so suddenly and with little communication. (Analysis rant below, for those interested, lol.) The way I see it: -This is an unprecedented move for mojang to carry out moderation in this manner. For them to go *over the head of their own reporting system,* to other people's content openly published on the internet with no prior notice is striking, and seems to be an arbitrary decision made in this case rather than adherence to an established policy. That leaves an extra sour taste in my mouth when considering that they were banned for 12 years without any clue this was even on the table. -The carriage punishment was inconsistent. Multiple different reasons being stated variably by the institution is a huge red flag. Why can't mojang get its accusations straight? This really is concerning because it implies that this was a non-systemic, arbitrary, and not well processed decision. And the use of a 12 year temporary ban instead of properly classifying it as a perma-ban (let's be real here...) is not a detail I missed. If you want to perma-ban them, just do it. Click the official button. Unless you want to perma-ban someone without having to officially record it, legal loophole style. I know this is just Minecraft, but in real life, this kind of stuff is, practically textbook for cases of questionably administered justice. Never thought my studies of political history would apply to Minecraft one day... -Their own policy is borderline self-contradictory, and interpretation is not made clear. The EULA allows hacked clients, and yet you have a ban reason of "hacking." Bullying and harassment are totally fair grounds for punishment, but this injunction has not usually been applied to simple block-busting griefing on a company level. What does "bullying and harassment" mean to mojang? (Side note--I personally think it's not hard to categorized what happened as bullying and harassment, and I don't think it's excusable behavior. But the point is that the institution is not being clear with the way they are treating these issues and seems perfectly ready to hand out very severe punishment without warning or explanation). -And I'm not even going to get into the evidence integrity issues with that video footage... sheesh. There's more to this unprompted essay/rant, but I think my point is clear to those who have read this far. Again, I point to youtube and twitch. It's like, almost exactly the same pattern here, and I think we can all see it. While I have no love for the 5th column and such aggressive, destructive behavior (not to mention the IP dredging-method; that's a serious thing in it's own right, but the subject of this discussion), justice has to be carried out with integrity. It's not okay to wrongly prosecute someone, even if they are truly guilty. If mojang is going to make this mode of operation it's new standard, these policies, and their interpretations need to be clearly communicated to the playerbase. There is no reason why someone acting in good faith couldn't do that, but someone acting without integrity can't. So which are you, Mojang?

[@steven1946]

Dude... I fully agree with what you said and I had no idea this even happened until I just saw this video. Also why doesn't your comment have more likes? Because it CERTAINLY got mine. 😠👍🏽

[@paganathiest6349]

my problem with it is like you said, their reasonings were all over the place, and their backing when confronted about it is also pretty half assed as well. whats to stop them from taking any one of us out for literally no reason and being like welp sucks for you. i've spent years creating a name and persona in this game accrossed all the servers i've played, everyone knows me personally, everyone in the communities i play in have a deep concern for everyone else and its noticed when someone has stopped playing for some time, its a bit of an overstatement and i dont make it lightly but its quite literally killing off the playerbase because "oh welp sucks to be you" its the ban hammer mentality, and its not right, if you're going to go out of your way to take someone out of a community even if its innately warranted you NEED to have concrete evidence to back up your actions and claims. as far as im concerned here its hearsay and thats not good enough

[@steven1946]

@@paganathiest6349 I've done the same thing! I mean not entirely but I'm following what you're putting down my guy

[@UltraAryan10]

Exactly, if 5th Column is wrong, Mojang should come out and say it clearly rather than banning them for large variety of reasons including things they didnt even do.

[@limonlx7182]

That's almost exactly what's happening now with KZbin. A system where there's no clarity or communication between the community and staff. KZbin bans people for not following their rules, yet when asked about those rules they won't share them because those rules will be exploited or smth. Imagine if laws were secret. You're just walking outside, eating a sandwich, then out of nowhere, you're being arrested and put in jail, yet you never know what you even did wrong. Rules are made so people follow them. If you don't tell anyone what those rules are, it's like you want them to be broken.

[@MeatwadMeatwad]

And we all saw this coming. It's just a matter of time before even more bans are handed out for lesser actions.

[@sleuthslime9775]

Yeah, that's the real kicker, like fifth column griefing is arguably 'too far', but the justifications used for bans threaten entire communities.

[@Jane-qh2yd]

Yet most people in here seem to be COMPLETELY in favor of the bans and Mojang's reasoning.

[@SimonPetrikov12]

Slippery slope fallacy

[@danielsmokesmids]

fr. as soon as they added the reporting feature, i stopped playing minecraft and never looked back. they ruined the game

[@samsonsoturian6013]

Maybe we should. As much as I like blowing stuff up, it breaks the game by wasting everything in sight.

[@hypedmaniac8444]

While the Fifth Column’s griefing is no doubt unjustifiable, the fact that the team banning them could not get the reason straight despite having WATCHED FOOTAGE of what they did is very concerning. I seriously hope that if this system continues, it’ll A) become internally consistent and B) only target cases like Fifth Column. Griefing on most servers is frowned upon. On anarchy servers, it’s part of the experience you sign up for. Hopefully they know that nuance.

[@netctrl]

an actual sane take didnt expect to find this

[@dumflame]

What about Maksitaxi amd D loader, do they deserve to get banned?

[@torahama362]

@@dumflame They do part take in it. So yes, the recent event is just the 5th Column going out of control but they had done this systematic greifing for years and that's a ban-able offense on harassment

[@fractalisomega9517]

At the same time they’re punching holes in Mojang’s lazy server security code like it’s nothing, that should make everyone concerned and not because of griefers but because of things potentially far worse Groomers, identity thieves, and far worse people are out there

[@cocacola4blood365]

This is going into an area Mojang doesn't have any specific rules for. The 5th Column's actions are without precedent. Mojang is responding to this as it develops.

[@aeroekins5415]

Griefers are those same exact kids you take out to some cool abandoned building and they immediately start breaking windows and just trashing the place

[@DefinitiveDubs]

It's silly to assume modded clients and hacked clients will be banned wholesale because of this. The fact that they're not using an automated system to detect your client and are instead going off footage as evidence means they're treating this on a case by case basis. The modding community will be fine.

[@ML-sc3pt]

They only ban those they don't like. Same with "hate speech" which is just another way to say people who aren't liberals

[@DessertArbiter]

@@ML-sc3pt lol okay grandpa

[@ML-sc3pt]

@@DessertArbiter ah yes the 21 year old grandpa. Men aren't women. It's a fact not "hate speech"

[@longiusaescius2537]

@DessertArbiter Gaming I don't think Nagisa believes putting on a skirt makes you a woman

[@ML-sc3pt]

@@longiusaescius2537 even the ones doing it truly don't. Hence the suicide rate higher than jews in the holocaust

[@haroldlindley6620]

I think the reason why the ban reasons are all muddied up is because what the 5th Column was doing was unprecedented. I seriously do not think the EULA was developed under the expectation anyone would actually go out of their way to systematically scan and grief hundreds of servers. Because of this, I do not see a slippery slope. The rules will likely change to directly label and name the actions the 5th Column committed as explicitly banable, but currently those rule changes have not been developed. Bear in mind also that the sudden public griefing of twitch streamers could easily have taken Mojang by surprise, leaving even less cohesiveness in their implementation of their rules, which already are devoid of the language required to make a definitive ruling on the group's actions.

[@sophiachalloner8951]

I think so too. Hopefully mojang will setup a system for this. And when that system is in place, they should also fix the issues shown here.

[@Lobowskee]

They probably should’ve expected that mojang would catch on to them eventually. The accounts that were wrongly banned should get a proper investigation before being rectified. They messed up going after streamers.

[@mrclean29]

Some of my best Minecraft memories are from the 2011-2014, with survival and faction servers. Me and my friends built our bases, some players griefed them. Then it was our turn to gather TNT, lava buckets and lighters to grief other people’s bases. As much as i like singleplayer creative mode for relax, those times used to be funny as hell. To me griefing is as much a part of multiplayer as it is building and surviving. The three components of an awesome minecraft multiplayer server.

[@xdarin_]

The way 5th column are doing it, I would see how it's a bannable offense. The bans themselves are a different question, but I can see why Mojang would get serious. *However,* I always saw griefers as kind of a part of the community. An essential one. A part of the experience.

[@roeital5504]

Yes imagine losing a hardcore server because someone felt like it, griefers arent a part of the community, they are just a bunch of dicks that has nothing to do with their life beside ruins the life of others

[@TheBcoolGuy]

I don't see how anything should entitle a company to ban you from using a product you paid for. The only immoral people here are Mojang. I am disappointed in Notch.

[@jeroen5928]

I think this is a 10k+ iq move from microsoft. By showing people that they are banning griefers, griefers will buy alt accounts to grief with, thus increasing sales

[@Xer0280]

Ah yes, we think microsoft is being dumb, but they are 20 steps ahead of what our primitive brains can think of

[@fewkeyfewkey5414]

Those alt accounts pays some of their income to Microsoft! Your onto something!

[@Goooooonz]

Infinite money glitch

[@samsonsoturian6013]

That would last a month or two.

[@Shock_ON]

you can buy stolen accounts for like $0.20

[@Jalbo_]

imagine being banned by Mojang for something that can be faked 💀

[@FrederickTheAnon14W]

That's one of the big issues about this (forgoing the whole idea itself) is that this can be MASSIVELY faked and cherry-picked to be abused for personal gain.

[@maksitaxi]

so true imagine having that happen to you! it must suck! 😂😂😂😂

[@10_points]

And soon AI could be used to fake voices too. The fall of minecraft, has now begun

[@darkonyx6995]

Yuh! That's the true reason to be upset, and not what many people misinterpreted in the comments. The 5th Collumn DESERVED to be banned, but the two players who left the group before the grieffing didn't.

[@mr.couchpotato]

pvpers will love this

[@ihavekalashnikovyoudomath9275]

9:08 This is honestly the best way to describe the situation. They were 100% harassing, but the way Mojang went about it was poor. Mentioning the language, the video, and not understanding the difference between molded and hacked isn't good

[@Barendir]

>create literal ultimate minecraft spyware program >use it to grief innocent players and organisations >be shocked that you got banned As expected griefers logic is flawless

[@EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH]

>implying portscanners are spyware

[@Olflix]

>implying portscanning (which is PUBLIC INFORMATION btw) equates to spyware >targeting famous streamers As expected, your logic is flawless.

[@samanthot_]

@@Olflix Just cause information is publicly available, doesn't mean you're allowed to abuse it. If you use a phone book to harass people over the phone, you will go to jail. If you use port forwarding to find people's private servers, you'll get banned. In both of these cases, you are getting punished for harassment. These griefers did not get banned for port forwarding, using hacked clients, or even for griefing. They got banned for using public information in a malicious manner.

[@cerus2683]

@@samanthot_ >If you use port forwarding to find people's private servers >port forwarding

[@vradeus3438]

I think Mojang should leave it to the server owner and not interfere if someone hacked or griefed. However though I think this is a special case since the fifth collum is going on to tons of servers they're not invited to and griefing. It is still complicated though since if they just use screenshots and videos for evidence, it can be faked and they can fool Mojang into banning an innocent account.

[@udontknowme00]

the correct take. people like the fifth column should be banned regardless of whether or not it's technically against mojang's own EULA to do so. otherwise, let server owners decide. and they need some kind of system to verify if a player is really at fault, as "video evidence" is incredibly easy to fake

[@Thegamecheats]

To be fair nothing of value is lost. Worse case scenario these people that have nothing better to do than to scan every single IP address stalking streamers have to go touch grass or something?

[@spiceyicey]

Bad way of thinking. The fact that the evidence for the ban was screenshots means that caked screenies can be used to get anyone banned. Also they got banned for using a hack client, which means all 2b2t players can be banned. Thinking in the short term like this is how you get the cake to house situation

[@cameronberhow8596]

@@Thegamecheats Worst possible take

[@nothingherezero7182]

@@spiceyicey no they targeted streamers remember

[@entropie138]

My theory is that the Fifth Column (and possibly other groups that may be griefing servers and streamers) were specifically targeted by Mojang. The chaos and havoc that have been going on for the past few years from these overpowered exploits were starting to make headlines (like Jeb getting attacked on a server). There was a mountain of evidence of these events happening all over Minecraft servers. Ultimately, causing grief like this on this massive a scale would make many users ragequit and would begin to tarnish the reputation of the game and of the community at large. The changes made from bringing people over from Mojang accounts to Microsoft accounts gave Microsoft the infrastructure needed to field complaints about bad actors. I agree with the judgments you made, upon which the bans instituted on the basis of harassment were justified. And yet, even if every ban was deserved, Microsoft kind of overcompensated on their charges by claiming foul language, use of hacks/mods, etc. It seemed like MS was just trying to throw everything but the kitchen sink at Fifth Column members. Plus, using archived footage as evidence outside of chat-reporting. But yeah, they were just really trying to send a message. Griefing outside of the anarchy community crosses lines. Minecraft wouldn't be fun for the average player if they log in onto the project they spent days or even months building and find all their hard work griefed, with nobody punished or taking responsibility.

[@gandalf_thegrey]

" and would begin to tarnish the reputation of the game and of the community at large" Its sad that companies have told themselves this lie so often they believe it to be true. As if they were the point the world circles around.

[@entropie138]

@@gandalf_thegrey Corporations gonna corporation.

[@SomebodyWhoExisted]

duper trooper also gotten banned for crashing p2w servers

[@korumann]

The other terrifying aspect of this is that you aren't safe from chat reporting by playing on older versions.

[@daggieYT]

thats the point of it

[@Infiny92]

How are you not safe by playing on versions before the implementation of said system ?

[@korumann]

they appear to be banning players from out of game reports, so even if you don't play on versions with reporting they can still ban you.

[@birdroll]

While more advanced griefers like them should be banned, this is concerning for everyone. The griefers will just start faking other people griefing, and I 100% bet this will happen. Only after this happens will this get fixed.

[@AlexiosTheSixth]

Blockbuster mod and /nick plugin has entered the chat

[@vinny_rivera]

It’s so easy to fake being someone else by using plugins and mods, people have easy access to what skin someone is using through namemc, so it’s easy to just use /Nick and change your skin.

[@Sly-Moose]

Exactly! Like the thought of framing Aphmau literally came to mind! But decided against it cuz I don't actually wanna see her get that severely punished.

[@ruthlessadmin]

Generally, I think Mojang/Microsoft needs to stay out of these types of issues and server admins need to do a better job of policing & protecting their players.

[@mischiefkitten]

severs owners spend their own money to stay open so let them have their own rules

[@blinking_dodo]

Mojang had one job: enabling whitelist by default... They decided that since they own the software, that they own the community. Typical corporate manager ideology.

[@kalwallingford7039]

They will only stay out if you rebel. These people are tyrants and will not stop unless they are MADE to stop

[@almicc]

reserve global account bans for actual illegal activity, everyone would be okay with global bans if that's the only time they were used. this 12 year ban (some accounts retroactively) feels so incredibly petty and over-the-top just to show force. no amount of client modification, in-game block breaking/ placing should result in a global ban. if these guys hacked into the devices hosting the server (a real crime) then by all means stack up the days/ years on the global ban, but these griefers broke absolutely no laws, accessed a server with zero protections in place, and broke some blocks. this reaction by Mojang is practically nanny-state level.

[@sierra991]

@@blinking_dodo literally 100% this. security by default. every other software does this. banning the player is the most braindead approach possible.

[@straba3976]

I feel like moderation is something that should be left to the servers

[@KK47ツ]

Yeah that yeah but if they go to like many of the same server now thats to far but they should of only banned people doing it and for harrassment or bullying

[@somethingsonic]

Agreed. Mojang needs to know their place.

[@rogoznicafc9672]

with statements like this you need to say "i think" instead of "feel"

[@Photon007]

​​​@@rogoznicafc9672 Grammar doesn't matter as much on the internet. It's a pity that so many people misuse grammar, moreover, "feel" and "I think" are fundamentally the same in this context, due to the way it is applied to the sentence.

[@ididsomeunspeakablethingsa4899]

@@rogoznicafc9672 how important is this to problems in this situation just how important is this

[@Unsatisfaction]

i think that the slippery slope fallacy isn't needed much here. I think it was pretty clear that these people deserved their bans, they were openly themselves in the video and even talked about it on their socials. There was plenty more proof it was them other than "just a video".

[@KasaiYuppa]

it was a pr flub if anything because it wasnt airtight to worrysome readings, this feels like just a special case for intense organized griefing.

[@tutui3038]

I think that everytime you open a server for the internet, there should be a warning and a question whether you want only to play with friends (automatically activates whitelist) or open to the internet (make the player write rules for their server, like bo hacking, so when someone is reported inside the server, mojang can check if you broke server rules)

[@Dankos256]

Excellent idea! And here is why this will never get implemented: Mojang made it abundantly clear during their chat reporting fiasco that allowing players to have any kind of systemic control over their own gameplay/servers is very much NOT welcome. What Mojang wants instead is more excuses to control and abuse their players, all under the umbrella of TOS and "but think of the children" BS. These were all good bans for wrong reasons - they only took action beacuse streamers got hit, which means Mojangs profits and PR were threatend. If those griefers would avoid streamers instead this shitshow would continue for years

[@fasddfadfgasdgs]

they should also have auto back up feature and just make a copy of the save world once a month or up to once a week and hold multiple copies of said world for about 6 months.

[@amphibiland]

I think you lack a basic understanding of how the Internet works. That would have to be provided by server services or when installing the binaries yourself.

[@maitremanta3672]

​@@MineCrafterCity Spigot, Paper, ...

[@MineCrafterCity]

@@maitremanta3672 Heh? Paper is Spigot.

[@2ndacc618]

1:26 „Fit without beard isnt real, he cant hurt you“ Fit without beard:

[@sinner2084]

I think this is being blown out of proportion for an obvious targeted banning. There is a lot more to argue like better security for users, hosting, etc. But only time will tell if this is a one off banning or something to actually worry about.

[@tfx9223]

It’s about the precedent that is set

[@busterdafydd3096]

We talk about "hacked" clients. We really should call them "malicious" clients. As some "hacked" clients aren't bad

[@woodward4789]

While I agree the 5th column has gone way too far, I do find it entertaining how minecraft has been evolving from a rule free game to 1984craft

[@74Bitz115]

Reminds me of what I think was their very first ad for Minecraft, where they said "The only limit, is your imagination". Can't even do some of those things with their 1.1984 update

[@femcorrin3ds]

LoL Lol

[@SoupyMittens]

They're gonna start banning people for even thinking about greifing

[@femcorrin3ds]

@@clexo2155 really well then I be going then

[@alexhughes2754]

fascism is when im not allowed to play minecraft anymore. I am very smart.

[@ShadowDragon-cw7wb]

As soon as I heard they were going to make people permanently banned across the whole game instead of servers, I knew it was end of the line for Minecraft.

[@glat_hiz]

Microsoft doesnt care to what people think until the money flow slows

[@sahaquiel4640]

$$$ > Fun

[@RedPMD]

It's a business, they don't care what players think. Also we are both scalies :P

[@10054]

@@glat_hiz Mojang* Microsoft has no creative control over Mojang

[@glat_hiz]

@@10054 cap

[@sophiej6893]

To be fair, I think at 5:50 ish, the reference to the hacked clients are not "we're banning you for using hacks", but instead are more "we're banning you for harassing others with these clients"

[@cxwx4025]

They shouldn't have even mentioned the clients then, just the harassment was good enough a reason

[@galliumgames3962]

Griefing a specific server is one thing, but they were attacking the Minecraft community as a whole with malicious intent. I can’t blame Microsoft at all for banning people who were essentially harassing their users and damaging their reputation.

[@blockstacker5614]

I think bans should only apply to servers that don't explicitly allow griefing.

[@10_points]

If someone is grieving my server. I ban them....... Microsoft, KEEP YOUR DIRTY HANDS OUT OF OUR BUSINESS

[@RobertPendell]

Microsoft could move it to a "global" ban list that server operators can opt into. When a player joins it can check the global list in addition to the local one and if they are found in either then refuse to allow them to join. This would also require them to make it a server side check and not just block them at the Multiplayer button on the client.

[@ChickenJoe-tq6xd]

@@RobertPendell wow that’s the worst idea that I’ve ever heard, that’s literally even worse then what they are doing now

[@jlight7346]

@@RobertPendell That still gives them a lot of power. Imagine a world not too far away where your political opinion can get you on that list. Maybe you don’t even talk about politics that often but you happened to get into one argument where your salty opponent reported you. Now you will probably never again be able to play on any server that markets itself as family friendly because the server owners just assume the people on the list are generally terrible people.

[@Stargaming842-l4b]

​@@10_points thats true why woulf they go and do it if we have /ban and /mute

[@snartle]

i don’t think anyone should be permanently banned on MC, it should be for servers only.

[@FrederickTheAnon14W]

It shouldn't even be for servers only, It shouldn't even be a thing. Minecraft was made to be a creative platform where people can truly express themselves, Roblox was once a similar platform before they also started implementing archaic censorship to limit what people can do, Despite them boasting about "Powering Imagination" but it's more like powering APPROVED imagination.

[@ReiCaixa]

@@FrederickTheAnon14W Nah, servers can make their own rules and it wouldn't be nice that they couldn't control what they want in their servers that they PAY to mantain alive. Servers need to ban offending players as they see fit. Mojang doesn't, didn't and won't ever.

[@imati7319]

@@FrederickTheAnon14W If it's a group or server where it's a rule that griefing isn't allowed, the actual cunts who break those rules should be punished.

[@theshellderinslowbrostail5422]

So these griefers should keep harassing others without consequences?

[@gustav5473]

@@theshellderinslowbrostail5422 They shouldn’t be banned from multiplayer, only maybe the server depending on what they’ve done.

[@thatoneduggo]

FitMC has gotten a Guinness World Record for not saying "The oldest anarchy server in Minecraft" for 2 munites and 30 seconds!

[@epiclyslowcars]

Bout time they did this! I was worried about my friend's server considering that these groups had found ways to get onto pretty much any server.

[@immortalpear8963]

It should be a setting when making a server to allow greffing (off by default) to allow people in anarchy servers to not get banned for what they do

[@Teh_Random_Canadian]

Then regular players can't use TNT or lava. They should implement whilelisted servers by default and when someone trys to join it gives the admin a notification and if the admin allows them, or allows them with restrictions like no tnt or lava for the first 5 hrs etc

[@roeital5504]

I can 100% assure you 99.99999% servers wouldnt allow griefing

[@epic10l2gaming6]

nah they should just make server whitelisted by default and public servers just have to turn that off and make some rules

[@jamesflames6987]

There's no automatic ban for griefing. If I accidentally let a creeper into my base, did I grief it? Some people build stuff and blow it up for fun. Bans for griefing have to be on the basis of context that show the intent was malicious. Therefore there is no problem for anarchy servers where this behaviour is accepted.

[@snowcoalRC]

I think I agree exactly with what you said at the end. They deserved to be banned for harassment, as they most definitely took it too far. However, Mojang shouldve stated this reason clearly, and not said that it had anything to do with hacks/hacked clients. They also should not have banned based on video evidence alone.

[@ML-sc3pt]

Hacking on servers that don't allow it should be bannable though. Doesn't matter why you did it, it's hard enough for admins to enforce these rules as is

[@snowcoalRC]

@@ML-sc3pt disagree since it would be too hard for mojang to enforce it as well. Your average 12 year old running impact isnt doing that much. In the case here, the 5th column went out of their way to grief as many public servers as possible and publicize it. It was a coordinated and directed effort against the entire community and thats why they deserved it imo.

[@voidedwinner1478]

​@@ML-sc3pt i disagree, people hacking in servers were it is not allowed should be banned from those servers.

[@gevkrusty2906]

I think griefing on a smaller scale is fine, like between friends on a small server/realm. But when you dedicate so much time into hunting people down, be it random players or specific targets, it's treading into toxic behaviour territory.

[@jeremydale4548]

Exactly.

[@udontknowme00]

exactly. i dont even care if mojang did technically break their own EULA to do it, people like the fifth column just need to be banned, no if ands or buts about it. nobody is getting banned from the entire game for lighting their friends house on fire, despite what all the fearmongers in the comments would have you believe

[@Airborn218]

@@udontknowme00 They're not breaking their own EULA. Harassment and Bullying applies to all Microsoft Products

[@conniescurse7325]

@@udontknowme00 Im not going to go out of my way to read it but basically every TOS ever has like a "we can ban you if we feel like it for any reason" part somewhere. I highly doubt Mojang has actually broken their own rules if you read them in their totality.

[@udontknowme00]

@@conniescurse7325 yeah i know, im just saying even if they WERE violating their own rules, i just wouldnt care in a case like the fifth column

[@Moe_Posting_Chad]

So in other words, now not even Minecraft is safe from these corpo moderators. Remember when literally all the shills said that the moderation tools added to the chat wouldn't be a big deal? Remember how they always insist the slippery slope is a fallacy. Remember how every time the slippery slope was indeed slippery?

[@Uri8_]

I think he broke his record for the longest time without mentioning 2b2t or "the oldest anarchy server in minecraft" At 2:25

[@RandomPersonOnTheInternet949]

Frrr

[@farmerupbeat]

Remember when we all said that chat reporting was a horrible idea and then Mojang just said “L cry about it”

[@capnbug]

That's so well deserved and idk how people can even defend it. It's not like they're on 2b2t doing it, it's personal. Like man, if some random dude joined my extremely private server just to grief it, id be pissed. Honestly, banning these people hurts mojang more than it does us. If they did nothing, then people who use vanilla servers are forced to buy realms for any sort of protection/security. Obviously mojang could handle this better, but its like unjustifiable to defend this shit

[@jacobstep7153]

Mojang had enough of them like it would of been alright if it was on 2b2t but straight up going to random peoples servers just to grief them?

[@aceidel]

"Honestly, banning these people hurts mojang more than it does us. If they did nothing, then people who use vanilla servers are forced to buy realms for any sort of protection/security. " How tf does that hurt mojang lmfao

[@埊]

actually this has one and only one defens: boredom.

[@KnodsilMemeMaker]

​@@埊 imagen being so bored with your own life that you decide to ruin the fun of others just for the sake of it. Thats so sad that I almost start to feel bad for then.

[@Officewaffle]

​@@埊 your honor, I swear I only killed then because I was bored!

[@Badjoe117]

You have to admit though that it is a bit amusing how Mojang essentially griefed the griefers by taking away something of theirs.

[@thecrunch489]

big woop, they can just get a new account and continue

[@onimurakiwami]

​@@thecrunch489mojang smacked the ban hammer and they will do it again lol.

[@GimmeLeCat]

They should ip ban them so they are forced to put money into vpn or risk their data being stolen when they make new accounts for griefing.

[@ultimateguy7641]

@@GimmeLeCat Unplug your router for a week or buy a floating IP. These people invest a lot of money in their client builds and such, I assure you, they operate without a static IP. Though...there is always the fabled DUN DUN DUUUN Global hardware ban. :D

[@Name_Pendingg]

i think when the support team said "hacked clients" they were referring to the sowftware used to find the servers, the hacked clients they used to grief said servers, but this is still very conserning, more so that they're actualy banning people, but i wouldn't be too suprised to see a lot of controversy coming from bans in the futer considering how poorly and vaguely they've applied the EULA in the past.

[@OMGreeni]

Absolutely offtopic but maybe you'll see it Fit, and others who are bouldering : do not use chalk powder to climb, prefer the liquid alternative. It works the exact same way without going into your lungs and staying there forever.

[@TheBcoolGuy]

Never heard that myth before. Magnesium/chalk is perfectly safe and liquid chalk is terrible. I'd rather die early than use that crap.

[@barfdoggin]

????

[@poleythepolarbear9706]

Did you say boulders? I need to call my buddy Matt. He is still out there searching.

[@Moe_Posting_Chad]

MC Jarbo in the HOUSE!

[@gabeallen1212]

Im a climber and 90% of people use chalk powder lol were fine man

[@bustedupworld]

I think it’s pretty obvious that when Mojang talks about hacked clients in their message, they are referring to the software being used to scan all the open servers and using that to harass countless others. Not about clients like Rusher or the others. If people are doing what Fit says the 5th Column was doing, then yeah… I’d probably be OK with a ban.

[@Greyimm]

to be fair, even if that is currently their intention, the use of vague language will inevitably lead to them expanding on the definition.

[@bustedupworld]

@@Greyimm You may very well be right, I just hope that is not the case. I did find it odd that they gave various/conflicting info in their responses to why people were banned.

[@maksitaxi]

@@bustedupworld I also found it odd when i got my account banned after a year of non-association with 5c lol

[@junebricks]

I'm glad they're banned. I know how it feels to have my Minecraft base grieved and hundreds of hours wasted to some immature people who need to grow up. Anyone reading this, remember to always be nice, even if its hard, because the nice will eventually pay back, and not being nice could result in a ban like these people. So basically common sense, don't blow up peoples houses for fun.

[@burger9997]

Im glad modders are developing plugins to remove the bs features microsoft are implementing

[@wadurito]

As a former 11 year old griefer from early Beta, I know I would've thought it was so cool to grief these streamers when I was younger - but shit, I would've also not thought twice about a global ban if I ever did a project this big. I used to use nMap to find admin panels with default passwords, unsecured Multiverse server hubs that would let me login to them under whatever account I wanted, etc. I wouldn't have had any argument if I was banned back then and I can't think of one now. As for Mojang banning accounts in past videos - yeah that's kinda weird. They could've been alts of the griefers, but if Mojang can't prove that then I don't get it.

[@DjDeadpig]

Yup, I’m convinced Mojang hates 2b2t, especially after one dev starting speaking out against 2B. Edit: just noticed this now but most of these minecraft update dramas always happen in spring or summer lol.

[@FrederickTheAnon14W]

It's not just 2B2T, It's EVERYONE who wants to have creative freedom.

[@darkonyx6995]

​@@FrederickTheAnon14W Ah yes, the creative freedom of invading hundreds of servers of innocent people to grief their stuff.

[@1unar_eclipse]

Which dev was it and where? Interested to see what they said

[@FrederickTheAnon14W]

@@darkonyx6995 Then servers should have their OWN rules and OWN moderation staff as it was before, Minecraft multiplayer existed just fine for years with servers being individually responsible for their own moderation, And getting banned from a server is one thing but getting banned from the WHOLE of multiplayer is another.

[@jeremydale4548]

Yeah. I would too if some idiots on 2B2T went OUT of the server and terrorized inocent servers for no reason other than fun. I swear to god the 5th Column should already be BANNED from Minecraft for that. Griefing on Anarchy servers is one thing but what that group of idiots did can be considered Cyberbullying. F the lot of them to the pit and hope they end up alone, homeless, and unable to do anything but rot.

[@L0tss]

Ahh, good ol 5C, recently a friend made a server for a group and had the bright idea to save server security for later. Overnight, I was afking about 30,000 blocks away from spawn with a friend to use an auto-villager breeder and i woke up and hopped on briefly to see unknown users, but i saw them log out noting that they had a "fun session." I then learned the following day every base, besides mine being so far out, had been griefed, and a sign had been placed in each destroyed base with a Fifth Column signature. So, yes, i was online during a griefing, while in my base, and magically never got hit.