Is A Course in Miracles a Non-Dual Path? | A Conversation with ACIM Scholars

[@bobwalth]

I'd have to call this a podcast for Course lovers. In it, four devotees discuss how the Course differs from pure non-dualism and how it encompasses so much more. Don't miss this one!

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Thank you Bob 😊🙏

[@stevep.8365]

Britney, I watched your videos over a decade ago when I first started practicing the course. It was inspiring to see someone young like myself interested in things like ACIM. I, too prefer to see from everythingness rather than nothingness. Thank you for continuing to share and shine your light, it is wonderful to see years later. I’ve found value in non duality and the path of negation at times, just as I’ve found value in the workbook of ACIM or the twelve steps of AA. Recently, I listened to a book about the verses of the Tao te Ching and that was awesome. You are a beautiful soul.

[@e-Multiverse]

T-31 The Final Vision V. Self-Concept versus Self 16. You will make many concepts of the self as learning goes along. ²Each one will show the changes in your own relationships, as your perception of yourself is changed.

[@maryeide5725]

“And here can [the Son of God] learn relationships are his salvation, not his doom.” [ACIM.CE T-20.VI.12:5] Beautiful and very helpful conversation. All my love and gratitude.

[@dare-er7sw]

Ego's trap is to believe that the course is the most perfect path and better than nonduality or other paths. It's just a form, the word of God, a pointer to our ultimate reality. Remember it says that there's no place where God ends and we begin, and that's the highest reality. It's LOVE.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

So true it's only one path. Even the the Course says that. What makes it different is who the Author is and what the Goal is for the Course. Its a very specific curriculum and Jesus says either we believe it entirely or not at all. So we are speaking from the perspective that we believe it entirely and are showing that the Course is an entire path unto itself and needs not be lumped in with other paths as they are a 'different' path. ACIM is whole until itself and requires a total commitment. Tis true tho that only Love is real and is the only thing that's here. Thank God! Ha ha. 😊🙏🩷

[@dare-er7sw]

​​@@MiraclesOfMind Yes! Perfectly explained by you.

[@anneclinton6382]

This was a very interesting discussion. It would have been even more interesting if you had a Course student on who sees the Course as a no dual teaching. In case you never had the good fortune to meet Dr. Kenneth Wapnick, who was an extraordinarily kind , loving and helpful person. A nondual interpretation of the Course in no way makes anyone anything but kind.😊

[@sweedreamz]

I agree completely Ken knew the truth

[@judsimonson9087]

I ask myself would Jesus have allowed the first teacher of teachers to have led an entire generation of students down the wrong path with Ken's errant teachings of pure nonduality? While some of the above were setting up straw dummies of Ken's teachings in order to undercut them and dragging Gary Renard over the coals, Ken was kind and counseling towards Gary. As the Course says it meets us in the conditions in which we think we are and if a dualistic understanding brings one to forgiveness, nonjudgment and peace then how can that be faulted. Likewise for a non-dualistic understanding. Everyone will go as far along their path as they allow. As Jesus points out, if you seek controversy you will surely find it. "What He creates is not apart from Him, and nowhere does the Father end, the Son begin as something separate from Him."

[@nobodynowhere21]

She's here to validate her prior theology, she is kinda boxed in to find people who already agree with her priors. It's a symptom of her belief system, not a rational discourse on the topic. Please view with care, and just read the Course for yourself.

[@Aetherfield]

@@nobodynowhere21I confess that I do not see the difference between what Ken teaches, and what they are teaching here as separate. I have heard reference to this controversy a number of times. Can someone please direct me to a video or article that discusses the difference between the 2 views?

[@Blas-notso]

⁠@@Aetherfield hi I know it’s not easy to find but if you watch Dr Ken Wapnick video’s he will have a very different point of view to the one presented here. The course is a non-dualistic thought system written in a dualistic framework. As that is where we think we are. Ken’s teachings emphasises to read the course as if you’re reading a great poem. It is written in iambic pentameter or Shakespearian blank verse. Ken outlines the pure non-duality of the course’s teachings through many lectures and books, videos and audio. That’s the controversy in a nutshell. I have studied ken’s work for nearly 20 years so I haven’t really paid that much attention to the controversy as the real richness of the course is in its daily application of forgiveness. Last year Judith Skutch Witson did a public announcement of forgiveness and asked for forgiveness from everyone in the ACIM community and said they were not at odds with each other as we all want inner peace. Hope that helps. Blessings 😊

[@vikkideedrick]

Thank you. Thank you. THANK YOU. This really cleared up some confusion that I have only recently acquired. I need to go back to listening to the Holy Spirit and not some of the outside influences I have allowed in. The four of you are good together. ⭐⭐

[@chadkupar6369]

Okay Britney, Wow! I'm going to kick this off. What a powerful video for me! I absolutely love Robert and Emily and their mission in delivering A Course In Miracles. As a beginner student, I am so overwhelmed by all to cover and as a person in the "Instant Gratification" movement of today's day and age, Of course, I want it now! However, we know it does not work that way. That being said, The folks in this video touched on so much that was so helpful. Starting with Non-Duality, I always took that as meaning from the perspective of Fear and Love. I assumed (and we know what we get when we do that) that when we referenced the non-dualistic perspective, we were stating that where the Course states that "The opposite of love is fear, but what is all-encompassing can have no opposite" that was what we were referencing as non-dualistic. That only love was real. What a refreshing and new look at how some actually look at this from the angle of the non-dualism as God. I never considered this but can definitely see the logic of what was very thoroughly covered in this topic! The next point that truly hit home for me was the moment where Robert mentions how those who run from Christianity might be perceiving the Course as you all spoke about it. I thought to myself, "well thanks Robert, I wasn't until you brought it up" but he's so right! It was totally sounding more and more Christian. Still, I find any similarities in Christianity a comfort in the course. It wasn't that I found all topics of Christianity completely wrong. There were and are some great aspects at it's core. I can only attribute that as the teachings of Jesus still shining through the religion to date. The course simply enhances that for me which brings me to my final thought that really hit home for me. Most of what made it to the Bible seemed to be a lot of metaphor. You can see it through experiences in the old testament. Some of the largest struggles for me were always those uncomfortable discussions about if what happened had historical accuracy and that it happened exactly the way as outlined. To me, consuming it that way had no real significance on how I lived my life today. Additionally, I could never trust the interpretation of man to really dictate God's will in the events that happened. Still, when considering the metaphorical value, the imagery, the "moral of the story" if you will, I was able to pull an extreme amount of valuable spiritual application to my life. This is what I cling to when reading the Bible to this date. The direction given, sparse as it was from Jesus didn't offer a clear picture entirely at all times and I am sure we could speculate for hours as to why that might be, but I will leave that for another time. Still, when considering ACIM, there is a much different picture painted. Thank GOD, Jesus decides to break it down Barney style. From a place of love and authority but never insulting my intelligence. Challenging but never leaving doubt that it was meant to be taken quite literally. With what I've read so far, its been quite clear it is direct instruction. Thank you sincerely from the bottom of my heart for pulling this together traveler! ❤❤❤

[@misterlaslo]

so grateful to all of you. thank you so much!

[@judsimonson9087]

"First, it is obvious that decisions are of the mind, not of the body. If sickness is but a faulty problem-solving approach, it is a decision. And if it is a decision, it is the mind and not the body that makes it. The resistance to recognizing this is enormous, because the existence of the world as you perceive it depends on the body being the decision maker. Terms like “instincts,” “reflexes” and the like represent attempts to endow the body with non-mental motivators. Actually, such terms merely state or describe the problem. They do not answer it."

[@shefo3916]

Thank you for this 🙏 It has always bothered me profoundly when people mis-use a spiritual concept to condone a behavior (or inactivity) that they want to keep doing. Regardless of conceptual posturing about one-ness and this reality being an illusion, suffering is indeed currently a felt experience by humans and animals (and perhaps all of creation). To keep doing something that contributes to suffering, no matter how distantly, or to refuse to assist where able is not spiritually-bypass-able no matter if this is all ultimately real or not. Thank you all again.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Exactly. Thank you for your message ❤

[@jilljurcago2237]

Beautiful conversation. Thank you all. ❤

[@jonacacarr3839]

Terrific introduction Britney! Having taught ACIM for the last 10 years, I've seen this first hand, and I believe in EVERYTHING, not nothing! Our soul on this journey gives meaning to our creations, here and now.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Amen my friend. Thank you for your comment here!

[@NicoleDeAngelis]

Robert, yes I have had the “NDE” without having an “NDE”, it is possible. At the time I had been meditating a lot always with the same intention asking “What is the connection”. Then I had the “light experience” during a mid morning nap with my infant. Shortly after this experience ACIM came to me. In a bookstore it was on the sale rack I opened to the bookmarked pg. VII.The dreamer or the dream. I new the truth of it because God lifted the veil. It just happened to be Easter weekend ACIM found me. ❤

[@ajeet490]

God is Love. There is nothing outside or separate in this Love.

[@LisaNatoli1]

Hi Britney! Thanks for bringing this important conversation up. I haven't watched the video yet but I will say that ACIM is NOT a non-dual teaching but LEADS to a non-dual experience. A Course in Miracles is a brilliant teaching - I love it with all my heart - and in traditional spiritual paths it is considered "progressive" which means that it meets us where we think we are in duality - in the place where we think we are bodies with thoughts and feelings - and progressively leads us within to the truth we share. It uses dualistic language because of the belief in separation, the belief in twoness, the belief in subject/object, the belief in multiplicity. The author of A Course in Miracles, recognized as Jesus, our true Self, our true nature which is never born and never dies, even point-blank says "this course is written within the ego's thought system where it is needed." and A Course in Miracles uses language and terms like Christ, Holy Spirit, God, he, I, you, they, them - dualistic terms - to lead us on an inner journey where at some point, the recognition of Oneness and our true nature is realized. The "I" in A Course in Miracles is almost exclusively the body-self I, the limited self identity that believes itself to be a separate entity. This is not a bad thing. It simply is how A Course in Miracles meets us where we think we are, where we believe "I am a body" - but everything in A Course in Miracles is leading to a non-dual experience. But it is definitely NOT a non-dual teaching - even though it does occasionally use non-dual ideas like "I am One Self" - that's non-dual - but then it immediately goes into duality with "united with my Creator" - and that's perfectly okay and I'm sure designed intentionally this way by Jesus - because the Mind hears a statement like this and at some point, it remembers it's true nature. I love you all. Mostly I love what ACIM says for us all to stay out of controversy. And I love how Ken Wapnick says if there is a page in the book we are fighting over to rip out the page. LOL. We are coming home to the recognition of our true nature that there is ONLY God, only Consciousness, only Eternal Changelessness, Alive Perfect Stillness. Whatever names we use for it matters not at all. What matters is that we take this journey - and whatever path one takes is going to lead eventually to the knowing of One's true nature which is perfect peace and perfect happiness.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Hey Lisa. Thanks for your comment here. I am glad you see that ACIM is Not a non-dual Course too. So many have passed it off as one though, mistakenly, for many years, so it's important to talk about it in an honest and helpful way. For me personally Jesus talks to me as God’s Child, and I see that reflected all throughout the Course. Especially the quotes when he says for example "Child of God, you are created to create the goo the beautiful and the holy" or other thoughts where he asks us to speak of our self in a particular way like "I am the son of God Himself". These are not part of the dream or ego, they are of reality. I do not believe He gave ACIM to our illusory ego/"I" self, although its inclusive of it as it needs to be undone. I believe He gave it to Christ/ Spirit in us… so we could get out of our own way, train our mind, remember who we are, undo ego and work miracles here for salvation of the world. X And we say that too in the video.. That whatever path one takes is good and many paths lead to truth. But we also say, stick to your chosen path. Don’t try to mix paths or it becomes far too easy to accidentally usurp God's throne/authority. Thanks again Lisa. SO much love for you and Bill :)))

[@NicoleDeAngelis]

Amen Britney! 26:00! Seeing the light in all my brothers and sisters. 💝🙏💝 Seeing a flame 🔥 above the heads of others as I walk through a crowd of people gives me a visual reminding me of this truth. The power of smiling at everyone often reflects back that light of God. 💝🙏💝😀

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Amen Nicole!!

[@mariaganesha]

after having watched this most beautiful discussion between 4 brilliant souls, i was crying in joy, because i feel that now, after your important clarification, i have found my spiritual home based on AUTHENTIC teachings without any twists to make it more pallatable to the ego. i thank my Lord Jesus for having guided me to this incredible lore of love and to the circle of atonement with such a deep and CORRECT understanding of what our Lord of love intends to teach us. thats a message directly from my heart. THANK YOU THANK YOU 🙏

[@MiraclesOfMind]

We love you Maria. So grateful to Jesus for bringing you here, too. 🙏✨

[@SwimnBird]

The way they are presenting non-dualism is more so how course students relate to it in a sorta nihilistic way. If you look at someone like Sri Ramana Maharshi, he was a true nondualist but he definitely had very personal and profound relationships to people, and miracles with his own ‘special function’. It's doesn't feel like non-duality was accurately represented although I enjoyed the conversation

[@chouchoumuse2729]

@@MiraclesOfMind It's not my experience that "it is the non duality the Course community teaches." I think that is a broad, general statement. There are many Course teachers with many variations between their teachings. Even between teachers who do not see the Course as non-dual, there are variations. Also, thinking of God as the essence of life does not necessarily imply that all life does not come from God. The "essence" can totally be understood as the origin, the Source, or as God. Non-duality does not mean no creator, it means we are not separated from our creator. Finally and very simply, if a Course student or teacher genuinely believes the Course in non-dual (after all who would we be to tell them they are mistaken), then they are by definition doing the Course. 🙏😺💜

[@buntekuh01]

There are two point I'd like to add: God has no ability to screw up. We not only have the ability to screw up, we are being held, loved and embraced while doing so. That tells me, that God and I are expressions of different ideas. We do have a freedom that God does not. Freedom is a necessity in God’s Creation, but God Himself does not have the option. It is said in the Course, that the only difference between the Son and God is, that He makes the rules but the Son does not. I feel however that the distinction runs deeper. By guaranteeing the law, God does not usurp our power but in fact guarantees what is even beyond His reach. If there is freedom, there must be duality. The Jesus in a Course in Miracles is stating all the time, that he is Jesus, that it is he who is the actor of the New Testament. He does not say so coming from a purely non-dualistic standpoint, i.e. “as being everyone, so I would be Jesus as well.” He says he is Jesus retaining his individuality, despite not being in a body since two thousand years. We are one, because denying anything to our brother is hurting ourselves. We overcome the separation by understanding, that there is nothing to defend. We overcome the separation by understanding, we can share everything. I believe we do not overcome the separation by giving up our Sonship, by giving up the gift God has given us as His Creation.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Excellent points to add Bernd. Thank you brother x

[@AmandaGrayAnagramDay]

So much brilliance here! Love you!!

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Thanks Amanda!! ❤

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Thanks Amanda!! ❤

[@gregthorne3164]

I enjoyed hearing your interesting beliefs. Thank you for sharing! 🙏 ❤

[@evanwalgren9591]

You all pour the love on us, so very much😊

[@anneclinton6382]

And thanks so much for sharing your thoughts!😊

[@JL-tk6vv]

This was great and it's really needed. It's being discussed and debated in different Course groups at least one FB, and other teachers bring it up a lot too. It's an important topic. One thing I think would be helpful is to have a discussion with those who do think it's non-dual and bring it into the conversation with other course people. Thanks for all you do! Blessings.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

hey friend. Do you have anyone in mind who speaks on behalf of the non dual perspective that would be willing to talk with me about this? I am open to interviewing someone who sees this differently, for sure.

[@RichardDownsmusic]

@@MiraclesOfMind Hi Britney , Loved the video!, keith cavanaugh may be a person to interview

[@MiraclesOfMind]

@@RichardDownsmusic I would be open to that if he was open as well.. I've yet to find someone willing to have a talk/debate on this idea who comes from the nonduality camp. ❤️

[@RichardDownsmusic]

@@MiraclesOfMind Dear Britney, I am grateful to you and the Circle of atonement , I resonate so much with your ministry, it gives me joy to view your videos, I have been a student of ACIM for a few years now, and when I would look for teachers online the first ones that would appear where the videos of Ken ....I did watch many of his teachings , but something did not resonate at all, ( no judgement on him at all or Gary Renard..I read all of his books also) ..however I would feel really depressed after listening to him and even reading his books and commentaries and the lessons, now I know it was the non duality smuggled in the course..I felt a kind of Nihilistic and solipsistic aspect to the Course....even Gary Renard warns about that in his books and tries to attenuate that ... This "pure non dualism" view loses so much of the richness and subtle nuance of the delicate balance in the diversity within the Oneness that is so beautifully expressed in the Course, thank you for being that voice that expresses this nuance with clarity and joy! 🙏🙏🙏 Love

[@MiraclesOfMind]

​@@RichardDownsmusic You are such a beautiful Soul Richard. You are one of many people who have said the same thing to me. After taking on the Ken (Keith's) non dual perspective of the Course they became more depressed and detached. And that is a tell tale sign that we are listening to the wrong voice (following the wrong teacher). God's will is happiness! And shared purpose for us all! I am grateful you came to this realization too, and followed guidance to bring you here and to CE. So much love to you brother. Talk soon 🙏💙

[@sarahschoelwer1530]

This was so helpful ✨🙌🏼❤️

[@pammontalbano8785]

I am new to the course and have just started watching your videos. I have loved them…until this one. I can feel you are all very passionate about your beliefs, concepts and interpretation of ACIM but I can also feel the anger and judgement. Since I am new, I can’t really offer an opinion on the topic other than maybe it would be better to find the similarities in the different belief systems rather than focusing on the extreme differences. I can see the beauty, love and truth in both interpretations. I do love your passion for the work though.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Hello Pam! Thanks so much for your message here. I am glad you are enjoying my videos on ACIM. I am not sure what anger or judgment you are feeling from us here. We are all really open hearted to all paths....just totally committed to the ACIM path ourselves. We are definitely open to videos about the similarities too. I have done a video like that with the bible :)) both sides need discussion though we feel. The similarities and differences alike. Then we each are given our power to choose what is best for us through Holy Spirit guidance. Hope this video doesn't detract from the power and beauty of ACIM for you. Looking forward to connecting more. God bless 🙏🙌

[@jorgealmeida3491]

The course is a brilliant spiritual document that meets everyone where they “think” they are. Non-dual or dual.

[@mariaganesha]

yes..for a loving relationship to being expressed it needs TWO individuals, so that an EXCHANGE can happen. this is valid down here for us to get ready and train ourselves for the ultimate divine relationship. regarding toms wonderful statements this came to my mind: we are SIMULTANEOUSLY ONE AND DIFFERENT FROM GOD (in vedantic understanding: acintya bhedabheda tattva) - its both at the ame time! its all about realtionship, in this world of duality and in the eternal world ♥

[@eloradanan1837]

I have really tried (several times) to get through a Course of Miracles, but I kept hitting the potholes of Christian wording while reading it, which is hard for me to move past. I grew up in a Southern Baptist, single parent home, where "fathers are not loving", and everything is pits of hell, and you are a sinner language. This repelled me as a child and those negative word associations are still true for many "attempted readers", which is why it is difficult to get through. It is unfortunate, that the Christian wrappings is so difficult to separate from the core teachings. But perhaps that is why there are many paths to the same Source. But thank you for posting this video. :)

[@Qetesh777]

This is so true and honestly a huge reason while I feel like many turn away from ACIM groups when there are people who use non duality as a reason to overlook and skip. That mindset can attract cleaver narcissists from my past experience. It has been a while but when I did experience it, that woke me up to the huge error of just blanket statements like that in order to bypass emotions.

[@susanwheeler9624]

Absolutely we don't want to spiritual bypass our experiences here by saying nothing is real. That's just not helpful in the healing process. However in all fairness... to have had a well rounded conversation... inviting someone with the perspective you feel doesn't resonate with yours would've been an open minded approach instead of just having those that support your perspective and interpretation.

[@rideforever]

Ken Wapnick re-wrote ACIM which is why there are 2 versions. The Wapnick version erased the word "Soul" from the book more than 100 times he erased the word "Soul" when he produced the 1974 FIP Wapnick version. In the 1972 Original Version you see the word "Soul" more than 100 times, for instance "The Sonship is the sum of all the souls". Wapnick also erased various other things he didn't agree with. So, there are two approaches, as time goes forward we can as a student body change things we don't agree with, or alternatively you can listen only to the Original Version. Atonement and Miracles cannot occur if you are not separate, so you would need to change that in the title. There is also another question which is who are you Non-Dual with. Are you Non-Dual with God? Or are you Non-Dual with the world and its people? Non-Duality is very popular in the world right now. Is it from there that you take direction? So there are some questions. The world has a momentum, it can carry you along with it, you can change this book again and again and again to serve the world and its fashions. Or you can read the Original Version and take the approach of listening to something other than the world.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Thank you 🙏

[@jweyek]

Actually, Wapnick AND Helen Schucman "erased" the word "Soul". Why does Wapnick have to be the bad guy? Why did Bill Thetford's spiritual journey thrive while studying the FIP version?

[@rjbullen8932]

Happy watching this video

[@judsimonson9087]

I ask myself would Jesus have allowed the first teacher of teachers to have led an entire generation of students down the wrong path with Ken's errant teachings of pure nonduality? While some of the above were setting up straw dummies of Ken's teachings in order to undercut them and dragging Gary Renard over the coals, Ken was kind and counseling towards Gary. As the Course says it meets us in the conditions in which we think we are and if a dualistic understanding brings one to forgiveness, nonjudgment and peace then how can that be faulted. Likewise for a non-dualistic understanding. Everyone will go as far along their path as they allow. As Jesus points out, if you seek controversy you will surely find it. "What He creates is not apart from Him, and nowhere does the Father end, the Son begin as something separate from Him."

[@e-Multiverse]

Thank you

[@ericwallis2142]

The first Teacher Of teachers, are you referring to the Christ, who played the part of Jesus? As for Jesus not Allowing anyone to teach wrongly, Yes as long as you Choose Him as Your Teacher. If someone chooses the ego as their teacher, I can assure you they will distort acim, and Jesus being equal to them can't stop it. That is why Vigilance for God and Recognition of the ego are important foundations of acim. There is no confusion about acim, Jesus makes it clear you can only receive the Miracle on the dimension you are experiencing. The Mind must be Purified, you must look actively for the blocks to Love, and to deny the body/world is an unworthy form of denial. That could not be more unambiguous, leave Oneness, non dual to when you lay the body aside, that's where it operates and you'll discover it through experience, rather than trying to guess conceptually about it, the wrong side of the veil, just leading to Level Confusion.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

The error is in thinking Ken (or Gary), not Jesus, is the teacher of teachers. That's the point. When we take what Ken says as true over what Jesus teaches directly in the course and through holy spirit as true... we are being misled by an idol we have made. And... if we choose to make mistakes and want to keep them (or not look at them to see we made mistakes) Jesus cant stop us. We have free will. But Jesus can correct retroactively, and does and is.

[@ericwallis8690]

There is no doubt, Ken, Gary and others have been elevated by some brothers and sisters in to the state of idolatry. Their word is taken over Jesus, even though some put Jesus in the state of idolatry as well, instead of seeing Him as a big brother Leading Us to Revelation, they believe we can't attain what He did. Jesus counsels right at the very start of the Course, "You must become aware how deep the fear of release is", that's why He says the doing/being the early part of the Course is Essential to Complete the Course, because as We get Closer to God, fear can become unbearable. This is what I'm seeing in the acim community at the moment, as more of God's Light enters, many teachers/students of over 30 years are disavowing the Course or distorting it, through non dual or even new ageism or turning to idolatry. I see distortions from not only our discussion here, but to other things like ",death", saying we have no control over it, or statements like "The script is written". Jesus most certainly corrects and retroactively, but as you said Britney, He must be Allowed to, Choice is Our Last Remaining Power here, and what is still very prominent in the acim community is the belief in "Sacrifice" in the Journey without a distance, they believe they have to Learn Through Pain, and Some believe Jesus/Holy Spirit gave Ken cancer to learn his last Forgiveness Lesson. The fear and delay in that belief is unpalpable, not only believing in sacrifice, but actually believing Holy Spirit/Jesus can attack, thus believing God Can attack, the very fear that keeps us hiding here.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

@@ericwallis8690 so very well said Eric. God Bless you brother. X

[@simthiam3712]

Tks for the session. It addressed some of my questions here

[@MiraclesOfMind]

I am grateful it was helpful in answering some questions for you 💙🙏

[@bisrib]

Gorgeous discussion!🥰👏

[@e-Multiverse]

Let Illusion Be Carried to the Truth

[@michaelfallahay5880]

Thank you, Britney, for a truly enlightening conversation on a topic crucial to understanding ACiM.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Thank you Michael.

[@rosemariemosareetropf3323]

if this is just a different perspective as you said in your reply to my last comment why did y’all say if you want to (paraphrasing) do non duality then don’t do the course? that’s separation no?

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Thank you for your question. We said that because the Course itself is an entire and complete thought system. It requires our total commitment and application. It IS whole unto itself. It is complete and enough to take us all the way to God. However if we combine it with other paths like non dual...they are different paths...they have different practices and ideas and rules. They are not *exactly* the same and therefore it can actually be interference when we are trying to learn through the Course. Its ok to dabble in non dual, Buddhism and many other paths that are helpful.....but we are speaking to the idea that if you want to use the Course correctly ..then commit to the Course entirely and do it as IT says without trying to combine paths that contain different rules and thoughts that can sometimes contradict. So totally committing to the Course and applying what it says everyday until we experience what the Course is teaching us, is what we recommend. yet of course we all have free will and can do what we personally feel guided to do, so this is just our suggestion as it's worked for the 4 of us to dive fully into ACIM and apply it as it says...without thinking something is missing or we need anything else🙏🩷

[@dare-er7sw]

Modern Neo-Advaita teachers have not understood nonduality. ACIM and Advaita give us the same thoughts. Swami Sarvapriyananda of NYC Vedanta society presents a much more complete interpretation of Advaita and the core message doesn't vary much with that of ACIM.

[@atmajyothi99]

YES, YEs, YEs. This Swami is brilliant and devoted to the Loving Truth, as is the Course! Anyone similarly devoted would benefit from listening to the good Swami as they study the Course. He's easy to find on You Tube and always free of charge. a sign of sincerity for me.

[@allowah]

Thank you for this video! Some have already mentioned that it would really be helpful to have this dialogue with someone who is an ACIM student who sees the Course as ultimately presenting a non-dual path, or a non-dual metaphysics. What happens when you don't have such a dialogue is that you end up doing battle with a straw man. In the world of argumentation and debate there is the "Straw Man Argument" and the "Steel Man Argument." The former is where you present a non-ideal form of the position in question, in this case non-duality. And the latter, the Steel Man, is when you do address the most ideal form of the position in question. This video was much more a battle with a straw man than a steel man. You spoke to some of the more obvious problems and dangers inherent in non-duality, without fully addressing the many positive aspects of non-duality, specifically as they relate to reading and practicing ACIM from a non-dualistic perspective. This is where a dialogue or even debate with a qualified non-dualist ACIMer would be helpful and even clarifying. There are many specific points that I could address here that were raised in the video, but I do want to make a few more overarching points, and then possibly address the more specific ones... First, it would seem that you would need to have a fully healed mind to completely comprehend the Course and be in any kind of position where you can claim without a shadow of a doubt that THIS is what it says, and it's not saying THAT! Short of that (and who can make that claim?) such a position lacks humility and honesty. If anything, the author of the Course seems to be wanting to help us get to that place of openness, of letting go of thinking that we know when we really do not. Even if other people agree with your position, it does not necessarily mean that you have arrived at the ultimate truth, it just means that you have other "witnesses" who agree with you. But truth is not a popularity contest. The other overarching point I would like to make is in regard to reading the Course literally versus metaphorically. Both ways of reading the Course would seem problematic and require one to disregard or dismiss certain things that are being said. For example, when Jesus says that the Son will (ultimately) disappear into the Father, and the Father into the Son (Workbook Lesson 169) -- is that to be taken literally, or metaphorically? A literalist reading in the sense of how y'all are arguing for would seem to present some issues if you would still want to see that in not non-dualistic terms, which means that, ironically, you'd probably have to read it metaphorically! Or in some way that still argues for some kind of distinction between Father and Son, whereas that passage suggests otherwise. Statements like the one just mentioned, and there are several in the Course (even the lesson about being forever an effect of God seems to contain a non-dualistic message if you read it closely), do seem to suggest that, ultimately at least, reality is non-dual. Methodologically (and pedagogically) speaking, it does seem that Jesus was first giving this Course to Helen and Bill, both of whom felt a bit threatened or challenged by this material. So it would make sense that Jesus' methodology would be to make the scarier-sounding passages fewer and further between, so as to not terrorize his students and cause them to give up the learning process out of fear. And so, on this view the Course seems to present things so that it feels a bit more comforting and not so scary. You made it seem as if non-duality is the more comforting position, but that is debatable. I would say it's the more challenging proposition as it does suggest that a separate ego-self is an illusion without any reality. Not that it can't be both-and... And that brings me to one final overarching point: It would seem that it is a mistake to think that non-duality is somehow incompatible with a loving Creator, or that to view ACIM non-dualistically means that one could not also have a personal relationship with Jesus, the Holy Spirit, or God. Not at all. It's just that the non-dualist would not accord those symbols with more weight than they ultimately have -- to good purpose. So, too, a non-dualist ACIMer can have very happy and loving relationships with others, perhaps even more so than otherwise, and live a very enjoyable and fulfilling life in the world with healthy relationships, etc. The problem is when we make these things "Us vs. Them," or that they by necessity must be mutually exclusive propositions. To not be open to seeing it that way would seem to be to be placing a higher value on one way of seeing than another and thus giving credence to a "hierarchy of illusions." And on that note, it bears saying that reading ACIM non-dualistically is not necessarily better, but rather, it might just be a useful and helpful tool for some. To say that ACIM is not non-dualistic and that if you're reading it that way, you're not doing the Course or misunderstanding it, suggests that you are too heavily invested in one way of seeing. My last word here is that if you were to take all of the "dangers" and problematic things you see in non-duality and reading the Course metaphorically and turn them back upon your own views and how they themselves might be dangerous and problematic, then you would really be getting somewhere. (I know that sounds a bit harsh, but maybe we're too gentle and kind in the ACIM world, haha ; ) Maybe I'll leave the more specific points for another time. I appreciate your listening, and once again, thank you for the video. Even with my criticisms, any attempt at dialogue on these topics is of value. Peace : )

[@allowah]

Ps. Upon further reflection and reading the comments below, I realize I skirted the real issue here: Ken Wapnick. Robert, you have built your brand on a total lie about Ken, and now this is all a case of the blind leading the blind. In order for you to usurp the throne and build your empire of sand, you have had to help perpetuate a false narrative in which one person had to be the villain for you to emerge victorious. And that person is Ken. Ken had to be made out to be one of the biggest liars and criminal minds in history in order for your power play to work, and congratulations, you did get some people to buy it. But you lost your own soul in the process. Really it comes down to this: Your word, or Ken’s. I’ll take Ken’s.

[@ancac.f8691]

Thank God for this video! Thank you for having the courage to speak up. I don’t understand anything from non-dual teachings and I strongly believe this is part of the crusade of distorting A Course in Miracles teachings. I have seen a lot and I hope one day you have the courage to touch base also the subject of cults formed around Acim teachings. If there are such things as demons then I believe they are the ones influencing and distorting such powerful and wonderful teachings of Acim…..and keeping people away from the truth by disguising as “teachings of God” who offer magical experiences. As we know also the Devil can heal….

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Hey friend. Thanks for this comment. I am only reading it now and funny enough I launched a video yesterday on cults. Here is it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ravZpJird8R2l68si=dt7aalmTAsQ18jpx In the Course Jesus says the devil is really just the ego, but yes, anytime we listen to ego we will always be interfering with the truth, x

[@ancac.f8691]

Yes, I have seen the video. And I have shared it with others as well. Very grateful for your work. There are so many that have been victims of these cults. If all will tell their stories, it will make a big difference. Thank you!

[@jeffsnyder7290]

Good conversation. Thanks.

[@stevesdronelife443]

Yes love it sis

[@nobodynowhere21]

What a bizarre video. Im paraphrasing but what i heard was: "I have a highly literal, anthropomorphized, fringe interpretation of the Course that defeats the entire point of the teaching which naturally results in separation/duality ("brothers AND sisters"), and I wanted to validate that perspective so i found three people that already agree with me, (one of which is my partner lol) to back me up on this so we can get a multiplicity of views (lol again, no irony here!). Also, dont bother coming to your own conclusions, we are "scholars" of the subject which is why we handwave the true meaning of the course away so I can double down on my prior theological beliefs." For the love of the Holy Spirit, you may want to steer clear of this self-contradictory knot until you have a clear understanding of the Course's core teaching; this video will confuse you more and muddle the issue entirely. Also, in general take with a grain of salt the opinions/views of individuals who find people already "completely" in agreement with them to prove their point. Well, im glad she found meaning in the Course and she seems happy, can't fault that but this is a genuine mess and will likely confuse you more not less. Viewer discretion is advised!

[@MiraclesOfMind]

That's one way to look at it. Or you can look at it like we all take what Jesus says in the Course as LITERAL. We do not add our own ideas of 'oneness' and non duality to it. We do not take other teachers (other than Jesus) to tell us what He means. We do not assume it's metaphorical (especially when J says its not). Neither are we doing anything other than sharing the truth that has come through each of our direct experiences of LIVING what the course teaches. It just so happens that when students of the Course listen to Jesus and the Holy Spirit...they get the same answers. Because we share One mind and One interpretation. We were ALL being asked by Jesus to share our view on this topic individually...and we all feel blessed and grateful that we were brought together to share it in this way together. Feel free to agree or disagree with what we say. For us...we are living the fruits of the Course...and that's enough to trust in every single word i the Course gives us and in every single word that was spoken through each of us in this video. 🙏

[@pod8234]

A better approach may have been to include teachers who also disagree with them.This was merely listening to an echo chamber! I don’t know these nondual students that speak the way they describe. But I do understand how difficult it is to grasp total nonduality…and these descriptions were off base and misleading. WOW.

[@kingdomclassroom5996]

Last thing Nonduality cultists want is to the people who reject their death cult and follow Jesus together. Nonduality is not only ugly and soulless, it is irrelevant.

[@anneclinton6382]

“There is no world! This is the central thought the course attempts to teach.” In agreement with all of you, I think Jesus definitely meant this literally! 😊

[@dare-er7sw]

Non-dual teachers like Nisargadatta and Ramana Maharshi have the same view.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Then we must ask WHY is that the central thought? Its a central thought because it can lead us to a blank canvas of Mind so that the TRUTH can be written upon it. The truth is both that we are God created us AND that we have a part to play in Gods plan for salvation which is FOR this world. So even tho the first half of the teachings is that there is no world and we have to undo all our thoughts about it... the second have of the teaching is receiving the Truth that we are Gods Beloved Child/ Son..... and to act accordingly.

[@mariaganesha]

this is truly a treasure. thank you so.much for this important clarification. would it be correct to referr to the course philosophy as vishishtadvaita, qualified nondualism?

[@Aetherfield]

I’m trying to get my mind around Ken’s view of “The Tiny Mad Idea,” without a soul, as opposed to a more collective “oneness” experiencing itself. How does reincarnation fit into the different views? How do we automatically return to oneness vs. getting directed into another body/new life on Earth or a different dimension? Is it up to my individual mind (free will) or will God/HS/Jesus direct me? Who’s idea was it that I live this Earthly existence and how exactly did I end up here?

[@Dan-dl7tz]

Brother I was wondering if I can help in the physical in the building of your ministry. I believe in you and know this is truth and the language of angels!

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Hey Brother. This is kind. Perhaps email me and we can chat more about this. [e-mail]

[@dfeldhan1]

I can’t wait to watch this. Robert and Emily are amazing and brilliant teachers!

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Awesome. They really are. This is. A great conversation 😊

[@dr.rohitgour795]

Thanks very much for sharing

[@jayburkett9719]

Literally💥👍

[@AbuSaud.Christos]

There could be different planes of existence and our identity change from one to the other, we are the son of god on one level but we are God on the highest level.

[@alanmarcelius3008]

Are they exactly the same? No. We can remember that the course calls for Atonement or being at one in certain aspects of being . But as being children of God we are One Qualitatively under God’s Authority. Also we can remember words are only symbolic, pointing us in the direction of truth. The Holy Spirit uses imperfect words to lead us in the right direction. And the ego will never be able to thwart God’s will. It can only delay.

[@danpatton3891]

I am new to ACIM and I haven't read the Course through, so I have a lot of questions. In the Course, Jesus states he didn't make this World, we did. This is part of the Non-Duality. How did we make the World?

[@kingdomclassroom5996]

And you will see me as you look within, and we will look upon the world as God created it together. Through the eyes of Christ, only the real world exists and can be seen. As you decide, so will you see. And all that you see but witnesses to your decision. Tx11:72

[@johnpaulson996]

) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Amen. 🙏🕊️

[@stuartkenny3050]

Great discussion! I wouldn't use "non-dualism" to describe the Course, and you all do such a great job articulating that idea.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Thank you 🙏🕊️

[@gregthorne3164]

Reality is One.

[@chriskingston1981]

I created an AI generated summary of this video : In this conversation, a group of individuals discuss the topic of non-duality and its relationship to A Course in Miracles (ACIM). They explore the differences between the teachings of ACIM and non-duality, emphasizing that while there may be some similarities, they ultimately have distinct perspectives. The participants highlight the importance of taking the words of ACIM literally and seriously, avoiding the temptation to blend teachings or dilute the course's message. They delve into the concept of Oneness and its interpretation within ACIM, emphasizing that it does not negate the existence of individuals or relationships. They argue that relationships are valuable and serve as a means for growth and learning, as well as for fulfilling one's part in God's plan for salvation. They stress the significance of recognizing oneself as a child of God and the safety found in accepting that role. The conversation also addresses the resistance and confusion that can arise when integrating Christian elements within ACIM. While acknowledging that ACIM critiques certain aspects of Christianity, the participants note that there is still a Christian foundation and spirit within the course. They encourage students of ACIM to embrace the teachings wholeheartedly and seek clarity from the course itself, rather than trying to reconcile it with other spiritual paths. In conclusion, they emphasize the importance of staying true to the teachings of ACIM and the guidance of the Holy Spirit, avoiding the danger of mixing or denying key aspects of the course. They suggest seeking clarification and understanding through inner guidance, contemplation, and discussions with fellow students. The conversation ends with a discussion on being "extremists for love" and the honor in embracing a fundamentalist approach to expressing love in the world.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Wowww! Just reading this now and I LOVE it. Thanks so much for doing that...and sharing it with us here 🙏💕🕊️

[@chriskingston1981]

@@MiraclesOfMind I was just having an insight while doing lesson 263. I was reading the prayer and I noticed I was analysing each sentence (to judge if it would be true for me). The I saw that the prayer was just stating what was already here. Then I saw a notification of your reaction, and the ai text, and it confirmed my realization👀.. people are analysing the truth, by try to deny parts. Take a whole and make it not whole, by cut of a part❤️❤️❤️

[@MiraclesOfMind]

@@chriskingston1981 Wow brother, another synchronicity. I love that you were going through it, line by line...and saw how it talks about what is already here, yes!! Its so true that many people try to analyze truth, and then take only the parts that work for them....May we learn from that realization and not do that ourselves. Amen. And so it is. God bless you brother. Keep shining. x

[@iambillfree]

Hi Britney and All, I'm happy you all came away with agreement that ACIM is not non-dual. I've been saying that for years. The problem with dismissing the nondual teaching all together (throwing the baby out with the bath water) which is better than teaching it wrong is that you will never have an awakening or salvation experience using the Course as long as you perceive yourself to be separate from Jesus, The Holy Spirit, or God for that matter and it has nothing to do with the authority problem which is the mind that thinks itself to be a person. The Course is pretty clear that if you want Christ Vision, The Real World experience, The Resurrection, Enlightenment and many other promises like why wait for heaven that it points to; You can't see your Self as a body. This is not a concept. This is the direct experience of Knowing The Self. Then you can have all the promises, God takes the last step and you still have a body to interact with the world. "I need do nothing" Also, Britney your characterization of non-duality sounds like neo advaita and true non-dual teaching doesn't see it as "it's all an illusion and there is no world that you stated. True non-dual teachers are very clear that there is a world to engage with and things to do in a body and yet they don't attach their true identity to the body mind experience similar to the course teaching, "I need do nothing" in the text. It doesn't mean you you don't do things but you are living from an awakened state of Knowing the Self and all your busy doing is led from your true I AM nature. It's very clear that you four and Ken Wapnick for that matter didn't know what non-duality really implys. It sounds like Robert is fairly clear on this from what he's read but not from his own direct experience. In your reference to the non-dual questions or statements you've heard or read, you are either speaking to students who don't really know non-duality or you are speaking to Course students who don't know the Course and they're reading the course out of context. If you would like to have a discussion on these matters in the interest of letting students who love the Course and wish to have an awakening experience can hear both sides and make an informed decision as I have done and still continue to love the Course and the non-dual teaching of Ramana, Krishnamurti, Nisargatta, Rupert Spira, Adyashanti and others I would welcome a live format for that purpose. You can find me at billfree.com and www.teachersofgod.org/home Love and Blessings to all. Bill Free

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Hey Bill. Not sure if you watched this video yet, but no one was throwing away non-duality. :) We actually respect it as a path… it just cannot be combined with A Course in Miracles. They are two separate curriculums… and seem to generate different experiences of life on earth. And keep in mind…… this was not a conversation ABOUT non-duality. It was a conversation about A Course in Miracles... and asking if ACIM is non-dual. So we looked to the Course and Jesus as our source of truth and guidance on this matter. When I said "there is nothing here, no one out there, nothing happening" that doesn't come from me... it comes from the community. That's what I get told by others, and it's them that call it non-dual. Which I do believe they learned through Ken’s teachings about it. So we are addressing the non-duality in our Course community, not what is outside of it. It's true, no one will have an experience of the Real World or Christ Vision unless they know they are One with Jesus. All 4 of us in this video LIVE with Jesus in our everyday lives. I actually interviewed Emily and Robert (and soon Tom) for my living with Jesus series to share their stories on how they live with Him, receive guidance from Him and know themselves to be One with Him :) So that's no issue there from our standpoint. :) Lastly...we did not do this video to debate what non-duality means or medal in the controversy….. .but only to point to the very important truth that if you are a Course in Miracles student… to stick with the Course as it will take you all the way home to the heart of God, where our perfect freedom, purpose and happiness Is. Thanks for your comments and love Bill. So much Love to you and Lisa.

[@iambillfree]

@@MiraclesOfMind Hi Britney, Yes I did watch it and I thought it was lovely. I came away with, Yay! they know ACIM is not Non-dual. It points to non-dual from a progressive path of mind training. Stopping here. You can absolutely include the Course with a true non-dual teaching and it unfolds like a beautiful flower in a garden of light. As for knowing the Real World or Christ Vision when they know they are One with Jesus. Please tell me about that experience for you. Who are you in that scenario? Are you still Britney? Love to you always. Bill

[@ericwallis8690]

Hi Bill, Would you care to explain what true non dual is? I just ask because the names you mention especially Rupert Spira could not be further from the Course Teachings, especially as Rupert believes God created this world. I followed those teachers you mentioned at the start of my awakening, they were good for my apprenticeship, and they lead me to the Course. As the Course states we are climbing a ladder, and I can assure you those teachers are on the lower rungs of the ladder, like Jesus states about meditation etc, going in the right direction, but will not collapse time as the Course intends. What does Jesus counsel as the only 2 errors in the Course? One we start the Course with the ego, two WE HOLD ON TO LEARNING! As we progress up the ladder, our old learning should be Purified from the mind, with just one familiar thing ascending with us, to help us through the confusion of New Beginnings. As you really climb and the mind really empties, even the Learning of the course dissipates, as Miracles occur freely and easily, as you patiently wait to lay the body aside, with what I call spiritual dementia, because all ego thoughts have been emptied from your mind, and the Light then replaces them. So if you are releasing the concepts of the Course from your mind, what is the point of holding onto past learning before the Course, except to Delay your ascension to the Real World. I see those teachers as going in the right direction, but taking millions of years, what Jesus calls "the circuitous route" whereas the Course is Truly Radical and we can awaken in an Instant. So one can lead to another, but no way can they be combined, because they offer alternative choices in the speed of your awakening. Love and Blessings to you and Lisa ❤️

[@MiraclesOfMind]

@@iambillfree Hey Bill! Okay great :) In regards to your questions, To tell about my story would be a lonnggg conversation. ha ha Maybe I will do that with you one day, and I am happy too... but the short version is that I had an awakening experience in 2009 that showed me that Only Love is Real and God is my Creator. . I was not religious before this, I did not read the bible or go to church. So this realization was radical for me. I continued to Ask for bigger and bigger things of this Love and for my function here. That is when my prayers to go to Hawaii were answered in the most miraculous way.... and I went to Hawaii on 10-10-10. It was there on the beach that Jesus came to me for the first time. He told me I can trust Him as He is doing salvation with me, and that I am the light of the world along with Him. Therefore we are One in Christ and I can trust Him with everything. SO I said OK, cried for hours and accepted Him into my heart. When I got home from Hawaii, I gave my life to Jesus / God even more and within one week Tom showed up with the Sparkly ACIM with Jesus on the front cover!! I knew it was from J to me directly and was an answered prayer I could not deny. I have been totally committed to the Course with Jesus as my only teacher of it ever since that day...and the fruits I am experiencing through my practice are the joy and purpose and peace that He promises us when we do the Course with Him. I identify as Gods Child/ Christ/ Son, not Britney. This is how I see myself and how I see all others. This Britney character is used by God to bless others, so I dont deny it... I let God use my body/personality etc for His Will....but its not who I am. I am equal to Jesus, but He is ahead of me as He completed His mission perfectly and is head of the atonement. So I ask him what to do, where to go, what to say and He tells me everyday. I now live in the joy of the kingdom and live a miraculous life which I am grateful to God for.. and help others to come into alignment with everyday, too. So ya, thats the short form. Perhaps that helps in understanding a bit more about me and where I come from in all of this. Hope you have a blessed day dear brother!

[@iambillfree]

@@ericwallis8690 Hi Eric, True non-duality is; there is only God and God has no name. you (not Eric) are that. True nonduality is understanding WB 189 (except on a relative level) there is no God, there is no Jesus, Holy Spirit, Course in Miracles etc. You could say nonduality is pointing to Perfect Brilliant Stillness. The formless presence of infinite intelligence. And if we add too many words it is diluted by them.

[@rosemariemosareetropf3323]

don’t you think you can reach the state of non dualism from doing the course exactly? non dualism is a state not a book or philosophy no? it is a state where black/white right/wrong is transcended. ?

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Well yes the Course is for experience ..not theology ..and so an experience of oneness (non dualism) is indeed possible. But the goal of the Course is peace....and miracles working. So the point is to heal...and not necessarily to "leave this world and experience oneness". We are here to be "in the world but not of it" and to let the Holy Spirit lead all our thoughts, actions and daily doings while here. So we want to do the Will of God everyday! And listen to His voice everyday! And thus we need not concern ourselves with reaching a state of oneness....but rather training our minds every day so we can hear His voice more and more and ultimately accept our Role in God's Plan for Salvation and work miracles here ...when we do THIS an experience of oneness is almost guaranteed 🙏🙌

[@johnpaulson996]

Emily, I am not separate from God, or God, but part of God. It is not either but both. God is within and without.

[@MLeibs]

So you have all the correct answers. So Christian of you all. 🥴

[@sheepsick]

The danger of non duality is to egos ultimately. The misuse of non duality is to smear it over the top of pain as a concept . While there is pain, dualist methods are rightfully employed . The goal of the course is non dualistic - remember it means 'not two' , it doesn't qualify that , it doesn't say it's all one it just say 'not two' . Just like Jesus says with 'I and my Father are one , but there are two parts to the statement in recognition that the Father is greater.' That is a statement of 'not two'. So the goal is truly non dualistic but its methodology is rightfully dualistic, because we are believing in duality , Holy Spirit meets us in that. If one is truly living non duality , you're in the happy dream , if one is just spouting non dual concepts and is in pain and conflict , one is not living in non duality just conceptual ideas. To be on the knife edge between identifying with form and denying it is where miracles emerge.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Beautiful Michelle. Amen. I love everything about this 🙏

[@kingdomclassroom5996]

Definitely drank the Wapnick Kool Aid. Nonduality is ego. The only thing pure about it is that it is nihilism and escapism. The ugliest of paths possible. Not even worth a minute of time trying to make Wapnicks sick fantasies and those of his deluded followers fit the beautiful course. ❤

[@billrener4897]

Forgiving your brothers is concomitant with the kind of understanding that your Life is the only Life there is. Then, there are no brothers; there's only your Self.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Jesus says our brothers are our path to returning home to the Truth. So we don't want to jump over that and into the concept of "there is no brothers"...

[@hamiltonconstellation]

Obviously, as 'fictional selves" we relate and operate in all those dual ways, accepting or rejecting relative values to do so. HOWEVER, the brilliance of the course is the reinterpretative function of The Holy Spirit to give those fictional selves "a way back to God"--non-duality, oneness. The precious things we love [or hate] about the 'dream-world' do not operate to bring union with God or 'Oneness.' If the radical function of forgiveness as a bridge back to 'the One and Only' gets watered down, the practice becomes just another new Age or Christian -based path. A 'miracle' is a radical change of awareness--not a feeling or mood.

[@thepaulusmaximus]

I hate to be THAT guy (haha that's not true, I love it!)-but if we are comparing/contrasting duality with non-duality, then it ceases to be non-duality. I think that the path to non-duality inevitably has to start from duality which is the world, albeit illusionary, in which we all live. There is no conflict for me.

[@j4quick]

❤

[@rosemariemosareetropf3323]

doesn’t it say in the manual for teachers not to have intellectual arguments? if we are constantly growing and learning we will change our perception as we study and forgive. each person has his own growth direction and experience and who is to say they are wrong or right in their application today? this all sounds judgmental and almost accusative towards those you disagree with on duality. if we all just read the course, do the lessons and . work on forgiveness then all is well. God will take care of the salvation of our souls via atonement. i think these intellectual opinions on who is wrong or right in their application of the course are all from ego mind which is fine as part of the process towards atonement but it’s your perspective today. i do not find this helpful even though all of you bring up truths from the text because it is slanted by you guys saying near the end of your discussion if you believe in duality maybe don’t do the course? that’s discouraging. 🙏

[@MiraclesOfMind]

This is communicating about ideas... no one is arguing or judging anything. We re just sharing our mind and how we see the Course, and our view is that the Course is not non dual and we are looking into the Course itself to support what we are saying. Others can teach it and learn it in whatever way they want.... It's up to each student to choose what they believe and what teacher they take. If some one is called to the non dual path, they should go there. Thats what we meant in our final comments. But if some one is trying to combine the non dual path WITH A Course in Miracles... thats when we are not in agreement with it, as they are not the same path. And we've seen hundreds of people get confused and go backwards in their healing / awakening journey when they try to combine paths... its just not helpful or necessary for that to happen, so we are shining light on it all. Peace be with you. x

[@lovey7235]

☀️✌🤗❤🙏

[@johnpaulson996]

The course teaches a split mind. Ego vs. Spirit. Dual......

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Exactly. It points to what is beyond two, but that's left for experience not theory. The Course is FOR this world where we must deal with duality and action/doing and working miracles.

[@simthiam3712]

Oneness doesn't means One Singular

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Exactly 💙

[@BubbleGendut]

Need to inject some science into this debate . Analytical Idealism theory supports non duality. Interview Bernardo Kastrup essential foundation and Rupert Spira would be interesting.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

Thanks for your comment. We don't doubt that. The question was is A Course in Miracles a non dual path. And the answer to that question ---even tho it contains some non dual ideas --- is No. It's a psychological metaphysical and spiritual tool for inner and world Peace. 🩷🙏

[@BubbleGendut]

@@MiraclesOfMind Only In your opinion many disagree

[@danpatton3891]

I am new to A Course In Miracles. I do not believe Jesus and the Holy Spirit are metaphors nor are they symbols or representations of the divine. I say this because I have personally encountered, what some call, the Jesus Spirit. I have heard a voice several times in my life. The first time I can remember, I was 14. I asked the Voice who it was, and I was told "I am the One you call Jesus." No metaphor is going to communicate with me. As far as non-duality, the book says "Nothing Real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists." There is your non-duality. We live in the "Unreal," so we don't truly exist in this realm. We are here in the "Unreal," but our true selves or true existence isn't here. Cosmologists say we live in a simulation or a "Holographic Universe." Perhaps that is the explanation of where we are. I don't know. So, even though we live in the "Unreal", it is very real to us. We have moral behaviors we abide by. We don't hurt other. We don't kill, nor do we take our own lives, even though our true selves are not in this "Unreal" World. What I stated above is true "IF" Jesus is the actual Author of A Course In Miracles. If Jesus only inspired the Course, then it is only symbolic and metaphor; even though Jesus is real, the Course wouldn't be. I have asked Jesus and The Holy Spirit to guide me and I specifically asked if Jesus is the actual author of ACIM. I have not received an answer. I have heard other people's opinions. These are my opinions. I hope they are taken well.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

I absolutely agree with you. Jesus and Holy Spirit are not symbols or metaphors. I too, have had experiences where Jesus spoke to me and revealed Himself to me. Those experiences with him were beyond real, and my relationship continues to be alive and real with Him. He is most definitely a being, an eternal son of God who is still living, not a metaphor... You are correct also that in the simplest term, this world is not real and God (and His creations) ARE real and that is where non duality comes in. I agree with the holographic universe too (the whole is in every part). We are all fine with this understanding of non duality and we agree with it. What we are NOT fine with and NOT in agreement with are the teachers (such as Ken) who teach that non duality automatically means that "no one is here and nothing is happening". This ties in with the narrative of "Jesus/ HS are just a metaphor". Nothing exists in this perspective of Non duality. It is only half of what Jesus is teaching. The whole message Jesus is teaching us is that yes, this world and ego is not real and does not exist but WE, as Gods Son, exist eternally and WE can learn to see the face of Christ in ALL our brothers through mind training/forgiveness. Either we seek to look on nothing, or we seek to look on everything, we cant see both. Clearly I am (we are in the video) in favor of Everything. Jesus says "Two concepts which CANNOT coexist are "nothing" and "everything." T2.4 To answer your questions, Jesus IS the author of the Course. You can tell by the hundreds of references where He uses "I" when he is talking about the disciples, or reinterpreting bible references, or when he discusses the resurrection or crucifixion. Jesus in the Notes tells Helen to learn more about His story by studying the bible with Holy Spirit. When we look at Helen as a person, you will also see that she was NOT capable of writing something such as the Course. She was very ambivalent about it actually, and triggered and distressed by it. She did it because it was her function to listen and write what she heard, but she did not like or even agree with what she wrote. Helens writings were drastically different from the writings in the Course. Bill Thetford, her co-scribe, who was a prestigious psychologist and head of the department at Columbia University and Presbyterian Hospital said that the Course was written by a psychological master and there is no way Helen could have ever written this. They were prepared, together, for 6 months before the Course bean. I believe Jesus led you here, so that you can have faith in the FACT that HE is the Author of the Course. Helen was His scribe, that's it. I trust in Jesus to offer you more experiences to help you to learn without a doubt, as I have, that He is the author and trustworthy as your ONLY teacher of the Course

[@danpatton3891]

@@MiraclesOfMind Thank you. You answered my questions. You and I are on the same page. Who else has these same beliefs, so I know whose teachings I can trust? I do not believe this Course is purely Gnostic, as Ken did. It appears to have some Gnosticism in it, as in we are not living in a "Real" World. I asked Jesus to answer my questions. He did, through you. Thank you for answering these and other questions I had on your page.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

@@danpatton3891 I feel we are on the same page too. In regards to others teachers... I recommend Robert and Emily. They have a lot of content through their Circle of Atonement. I trust them. I work with them. Nouk Sanchez has some similar qualities as us, too. If you want to join my acim study group, we meet every Tuesday at 1:30pm on zoom. I think you would resonate with our community a lot. You will have space to ask whatever questions come to your heart and mind during class, too.

[@danpatton3891]

@@MiraclesOfMind Britney, I would like to join the Zoom meetings. Please let me know what I need to do. BTW, I am 64 years old. I don't know if my age would fit your group.

[@MiraclesOfMind]

@@danpatton3891 Yes you fit our group. Many retired brothers and sisters along with younger students such as myself attend. Its a mix. My co-host Richard McGuire is in his 60's. He is from 'Voice from the Real World'. He also has some good videos and I interviewed him for my Living with Jesus Series. To sign up for our Study Group go here: www.miraclesofmind.ca/online-a-course-in-miracles-textbook-study-group/

[@antwillis01]

Neo-advaita fools used to confuse and put me off the search. It's just so empty which they wud agree with lol