Mirage 4000 In War Thunder : A Basic Review

[@TimsVariety]

Everyone already commented about the typo....

[@Feradose]

Whar typo

[@BADBADGER18]

Hey you had a typo

[@Aikkhh]

A report is still open and acknowledged about 2 more central 530D pylons, so we might get a 10x french missile bus one day !

[@jfv2312]

I think that one was rejected because the 530s launch off a rail, and the front missile would burn the rear one in the central pylon. Most likely that pylon was only mounted to show mock-up missiles irl.

[@crazedfeel5775]

With the current radar we have it's gonna be pretty useless

[@hypersonichobo4263]

​@@jfv2312 To add to this for someone who may say "but tandem AMRAAMs" The AMRAAMs, sparrows, phoenixes are ejected from the mounts and ignite once clear. Where most Fox Two's are hot on the rails. Which is actually why the F-35 can't internal carry the sidewinder. Igniting those missiles on the rails isn't an option. (F-22 gets around this by canting the sidewinders out of the forward weapons bay and using a flame deflector)

[@lilMungo]

@@hypersonichobo4263where do you mean this stuff?

[@lilMungo]

@@hypersonichobo4263learn

[@th3narrat0r5]

Always been interested in how similar the 4k looks to the rafale

[@luckyFrenchy]

Actually the Mirage 4000 is the main project and the rafale come out after with similar ideas from it

[@TimsVariety]

Thank you so much!

[@fenixsortudo1906]

The Rafale will probably come just below it​@@luckyFrenchy

[@theneef174]

Not quite. The mirage did provide a ot of basis for what france wanted, but the rafale ultimate came from the colaborative efforts preformed during the eurofighter programme.​@@luckyFrenchy

[@MercuryM]

Makes me even more hyped for thé Rafale with its look, can’t wait this time to happen

[@geekadeuzan2103]

The best feature about it is that its airbrake is situated like a pair of cat ears :3

[@totolescargo]

If the CAS loadouts seem impressive at first, the absence of thermals on the targeting pod reaaaally drag it down into the mud in my opinion. Top tier Ground RB maps often have clouds or fog now. Since you don't have thermals, they completely prevent you from CASing. IMO the Mirage 4000 is a great fighter with impressive turning capabilities, but is a pretty poor CAS option. The Mirage 2000-5F remains the best choice in that aspect.

[@crazedfeel5775]

Totally agree, and even if it gets the CDLP pod, it's still inferior to the damocles one found on the 2000 5f. Plus the later has a IOG+laser guided bomb and pgms.

[@nicolaspeigne1429]

There is a post about adding the CLDP pod that has been passed to the devs, the same as on the 2000D and the AMX. That would bring it thermals.

[@lemangeur2poulet248]

Irl it did have a flir pod but gaijin as always rushed it

[@crazedfeel5775]

@@lemangeur2poulet248 it's always rushed when it comes to France

[@crazedfeel5775]

@@nicolaspeigne1429 yup, but I'm not hopeful the devs will give a damn

[@nathanwells4809]

I’m 99% sure France is the reason canards dominate the 4.5th gen series

[@nicolaspeigne1429]

There was quite a lot of export mirage 3s that has upgrades that included canards, so it was already quite clear they were very good for deltas. Dassault himself said that all deltas following the Mirage 4000 would probably be designed with close coupled canards, and it seems he was proven right

[@s_ziel]

on the other hand, I'm almost 100% sure Sweden (or more precisely Saab) is the reason canards really went into production. The Viggen was the first canard delta plane to enter production (1971), I believe the next one is the Kfir (about 1976) and only then we have the Mirage 4k prototype with its first flight in 1979, 12 years after the Viggen's. I don't know when exactly did production Mirages get canards but it's fair to say it was in the 80's.

[@nicolaspeigne1429]

The Viggen canards don't have the same effects as all the other examples of closed coupled canards because they are quite big and generate a big portion of the lift, in fact the Draken might behave and be closer to the other canards than the Viggen. To your point they're still canards@@s_ziel

[@balthasargelt4075]

Basically the best or 2nd best fighter in the game, extreme thrust and maneuverability, letdowns are no thermal pod and the short ish range IR missiles, plus the R530D just lacks against a 27ER.. My new favourite for sure though, too bad its in the F8E line so I gotta grind that first...

[@Takemura76]

You’ll be underwhelmed. Not because the plane isn’t good. It is. But it’s so much harder to get more than one kill in than other planes with R73s and Aim9ms. Harder than with the mirage 2000. You have to get so close for your missiles to get a kill that by the time you maneuver behind someone, either the whole enemy team or your team has been killed, or the moment you slid in behind someone, there are 7 other missiles from their team mates coming your way. Plus not having HMD reaaaaally affects this plane. You’re much better off with US or USSR this patch. They can launch multiple missiles from range at different targets and actually get kills.

[@aq441]

It felt like a disappointment, the m2k5f is better than m4k atm by a lot, m2k manuvers better, u only loose out of 4 magic 2's inexchange for dogfighting capability, radar, and not bricking up over 20 mins of fuel

[@Takemura76]

@@aq441 I actually agree. It feels more draggy overall.

[@dankmemewalker7738]

8:59 I am happy Fraces getting a new top tier jet fighter 🤣 (great vid as always).

[@Scarp7141]

Great review as always. One of my most requested planes outside of the AMX Ghibli...which also came this patch!! I take it you review the Ghilbi next??? :)

[@jamesrussiaredcompany9130]

1:09 OMG you lock me. am so very happy🤣

[@TimsVariety]

o7

[@lucasboulanger5568]

On the radar, only the SRC mode in PD HDN has a dead zone. ACM and tracking do not have that deadzone, so you can still use your 530s at close range

[@janusz4156]

45 years of Super Mirage 4000 in 2024

[@jamesdap2793]

Another awesome video by war thunder's most informative content creator. Always a good day when I see a new one of these videos. Hope the new year goes well for you Tim and that you finally get recognised for your efforts by the Snail.

[@NKVD_Enjoyer]

Your channel is underrated asf bro!

[@giofigueroa9021]

TIM DROPPED LET'S GO

[@BarcelPL]

I hope next update we'll see Hornet and Rafale M (both are carrier based planes, so there's a theme... maybe...?)

[@doomguy.23frommars60]

The refale is too advanced it's a 4th gen plus jet the F/A 18 is 4th gem so that can be next update but not the super hornet

[@sosobel5843]

​@doomguy.23frommars60 I like to call it a 5th gen

[@mightyzuis]

I love the look of this jet. Great video!👍

[@Icetog]

Really enjoy your take and approach to the game, and really hope gjin take it to heart, bomberd are interesting part of an air force, and its sad too see these planes ignored, both old and new

[@Monkey_Spunk]

This is the best thing I ever saw.

[@Feradose]

the 2-3 km of the magic 2 kind of steals a lot of viability from it

[@m1sz3lpl24]

Eh not really, that's the range you want to use normal IR missiles anyway, even R-73s fail more often than not beyond 3km due to funny way thrust vectoring is modeled. In exchange Magic 2 are very fast, combined with irccm they are extremely hard to avoid, a fair and worth trade imo

[@jaek__]

​@@m1sz3lpl24the r73 and sidewinder have good range so long as the opponent isn't constantly draining energy from the missile, the magic 2 doesn't even in a straight line tbh

[@Epic_candle]

IRL it had 50G two planes and almost double the range of Magic 1 but in game it has the same range

[@Feradose]

@@Epic_candle 35G (single plane) in war thunder and 50G IRL (dual plane) is the same, but you're right about the range

[@TerLoki]

I honestly love this jet like all the other Mirages thus far, but I do have to nitpick that the loadouts can be a bit awkward for air to air combat. The mini fuel tanks that hold two Magics are basically dead weight after the first minute of match time, and to carry a full BVR load with the 530Ds you have to sacrifice six Magics. Handling is great, but those caveats and that radar dead zone can be a real pain to work around.

[@UnPokemon]

I'm French and I legit never heard of this plane before it was released in WT

[@olejnik5165]

They could even make their own strike eagle version and the French could easily have their own superb F15

[@RogueRail]

In a way, the canopy of the 4000 does resemble the one on the F-15

[@rags417]

8:59 - "Frace" ?

[@TimsVariety]

Typos slip through sometimes ;-)

[@michaelbraun74]

I was wondering, did this plane inspire the design for the eurofighter later on because they look very similar

[@shabah2644]

I think the lessons learned from this prototype influenced the Rafale and Ef2000 but there is no concrete evidence about it.

[@kylebrady969]

The Eurofighter has closer resemblance to the British EAP program than the Mirage 4000

[@othmanlibra1887]

@@kylebrady969 exactly. And it's why the EF2000 is so bad..

[@olejnik5165]

Imagine if France actually did not abandon the Mirage 4000, it would literally be the French F-15

[@moery2435]

There was a literal french F-15

[@_ace_defective_]

When you say the jet has a great sustained turn rate but dumps energy quickly, aren't those two a little contradictory? I would expect something with good sustained turn to not dump away energy quickly. Would you say the M4k is better at sustained dogfights or does it like to get slow? I've never fought any before so it'd be nice to know.

[@TimsVariety]

You can maintain its good turn rate *as* it slows down, a lot of aircraft turn into a brick at low airspeeds, this doesn't.

[@_ace_defective_]

@@TimsVariety Ahhhh, that makes sense. thanks!

[@stormzzy6347]

It's funny because of where it is currently situated in the tech tree, you can skip the entire M2k line for this big dorito

[@nicolaspeigne1429]

That's good, also make people grind this part of the tech tree

[@kylebrady969]

No thanks, I don't feel like suffering in Rank VI and VII of the French tech tree. I hard stopped at Rank V.

[@Sagaleon14]

Hi Tim! Will you be reviewing the event Mirage 2K?

[@christoffermonikander2200]

Can you jettison the drop tanks once the missiles are used? Curious if the failure to do so in the test server was a bug or if it is a feature.

[@TimsVariety]

Not yet.

[@crazedfeel5775]

That radar was supposed to have all aspect dopler and HMD. The canards are supposed to be controllable. It should have a FLIR pod. It should have more payload etc etc... I feels like this aircraft has been rushed yet again.

[@nicolaspeigne1429]

Bug reports after bug reports it's getting fixed don't worry. The canards aren't controllable, they are either fixed like we have, or can be unlocked to be free-floating

[@LeGrandSarrazin]

@@nicolaspeigne1429they are controlled by the avionics and are very much controllable, as you can clearly see the hydraulics in the manual. They just weren’t used as elevators and acted more like spoilers, which is why you don’t see them constantly moving in video of M4K. But you can find countless photos where they are angled up

[@hybrid_grizzly]

If it’s the same as the 2000, the radar has all aspect modes (low and medium PRF) but you can’t achieve a target track in those modes

[@engineermerasmus2810]

Happy french noises Sad me noises when it's in the faking copy and paste tree that I have to grind

[@hardtobear2827]

Mirage is fun so far

[@GNOLXOEKIM]

Eurofighter confirmed?

[@Loudward__]

Spelling error at 9:10 ! France not Frace!

[@TimsVariety]

Someone already mentioned it ;-) Typos slip through sometimes.

[@Loudward__]

@@TimsVariety I know that feeling. Anyways I loved the video!

[@lindog3697]

Has anyone else not been able to get a lock with the HDN modes on Russian radars? it will pulse over the target but never get an actual lock then drop completely

[@Arsenelli11]

You forgot to mention it’s French so it’s an absolute bastard to unlock without premiums 8:58

[@dixievfd55]

So we get this, but not the F-20.

[@camilorodriguez5602]

Surprised its not a premium, a good surprise, sadly is under the flareless crusader but oh well you cant have everything

[@2muchofyou]

whats annoying is the 2000Dr1 still gets fked over with its bomb load.

[@the_chrisgamer9934]

Sooo, when does germany geht the eurofighter ?

[@ferrous3262]

this came is jarring

[@папа0509]

:)

[@KrispThunder]

First

[@Brooo0-x6y]

Reasonably good in a dogfight? 🤣

[@LordEmperorHyperion]

In other words this Jet is underpowered, the Su-27 will easy take this jet down no issues.

[@Brooo0-x6y]

no it won't 🤣

[@theoescamez6230]

to be proven. either way, theres all these dogfighting 1v1 claims and videos, but that very rarely happens in battles anyway :)

[@adrien5834]

It has higher thrust to weight ration than Su-27...

[@cheemsman6789]

bro is an expert in lying

[@jaek__]

​@@Brooo0-x6yin ARB it does the su 27 and gripen are just better tbh

[@cherchezlesoir7166]

Boring crap

[@mortexic4939]

Sorry to hear about your crap attention span. Maybe he'll put more quick cuts and dumb meme gifs in the next one just for you.

[@maxkorner1123]

Can someone tell me what they tjhink of the event mirage. Im currently grinding and dont know if i should keep it