Miyabi BROKE THE GAME. | Prydwen 1.4 Zenless Zone Zero Tierlist Update

[@hildianseeker6568]

Pulling for M1W1 Ellen was a calculated risk, but man, am I bad at math 😭.

[@persedal9932]

HUH? I HAVE M1 W1 ELLEN AND I EZ CLEAR ALL CONTENT IN THE GAME WITH HER (ALL MAX HOLLOWS INCLUDED)

[@SmashTheAdam]

​@@persedal9932hell i have her M0W0 but i still clear all the content EXCEPT for the battle tower, Lighter is such a blessing man, he feels so good to use with her, and her build can probably be improved, right now i have her at 70/107 crit ratio, i doubt I'm ever gonna regret getting her considering she has been carrying my ass since 1.0

[@haseofans]

@@persedal9932i clear all content m0r1 lol

[@4g3nt06]

I got M1W1 Ellen accidentally, the game just forced a copy of her and her wengine on me 😂

[@skittlesfrfr]

Another thing to keep in mind is that most of the characters being released have been designed for an anomaly/disorder meta. Soon enough we're going to start getting supports and other characters that will work with a stun/dps meta

[@lucustwyatt1960]

People should've known that Miyabi would powercreep Ellen before the game release lol

[@justjuniorjaw]

Acheron : Two T0 character? Let me join in as the third T0 character. Miyabi : Three T0 character? F the Big 3, it's just Big Me. (kicks 3 DPS character into T0.5)

[@tayyabo]

Tbh, Acheron did the same

[@PoyoPoyomfs]

Lets be real if powercreep is so fast in zzz then Miyabi will be 0.5 in only 3 or 4 months lol

[@Klozarks]

​@@PoyoPoyomfs cap lol, no way astra, eveyln, and the idols will ever powercreep a void hunter

[@levi3248]

Acheron did the same? She knocked jingliu and DHIL out of T0

[@bjornnilsson2941]

@@KlozarksTBF Evelyn is looking pretty similar in output to Miyabi, I think she’s the new baseline but her getting powercrept is likely going to take a good long while.

[@seunabe4612]

Seth has gotta be the most underrated character in this game dawg, people talk about him like he’s just this extremely difficult to play like he doesn’t just need to parry and leave, and if you wanna sneak the heavy in he has a quick assist there as well, I don’t understand what people don’t get with him

[@GiovanniNoeyes]

The difference is you need to hit two buttons to play him, while all the Supports above him only require one button. It's that simple.

[@Beard789]

he no booba me no like

[@The_Celestial_Fox]

As an M6R5 Seth owner, he's the best support for anomoly! He hits for at least 30k and at most 80k with any of his final attacks and he takes no field time away from my anomaly carries! Totally slept on and I expected him higher in the list. You literally clear content with just him and Jane.

[@GothamThotSlayer]

​@The_Celestial_Fox If I want to run a Jane, Seth, and Grace team, how should the rotation go?

[@The_Celestial_Fox]

@GothamThotSlayer I suppose I would try to get Grace to put as much shock onto the enemy before swapping to Jane to build up assault. Use Seth to trigger the electric anomoly before using his passive to bring back Jane with shield and bonus anomoly so she can trigger assault and disorder. You might be able to trigger assault first, then disorder and shock with Seth/Grace, then another disorder and assault with Jane with good timing. However, Grace is a bit slow for anomoly buildup in my experience, even at M3. I personally use Caesar as a meat shield on the team and maybe a bit of an attack boost at times, but my Jane+Seth duo is just so good I don't need a third slot.

[@Folhaut]

Ain't no way every other dps went down 0.5 tiers only because of Miyabi. Shit is diabolical. I don't want another hsr with its HP inflation and Powercreep

[@NobodyMr-s6t]

She is the archon of zzz what do u expect?

[@RenKimers]

Its not as bad as everyone thinks. I have both, with both having their signatures. On Shiyu Def 7, Miyabi, Yanagi and Caesar just have 2.5 minutes to spare compared to Ellen, Lycaon and C6 Soukaku's 1 minutish to spare. Either way both can clear, and there is a reason why Prydwen doesn't put a "forgotten" tier since characters on the list are still very viable.

[@Folhaut]

@@NobodyMr-s6t Archons in GI do not really powercreep anyone to the point that previous options begin to seem way worse. And overall powercreep in GI is kinda non-existent.

[@Folhaut]

@@RenKimers yeah it is as of right now. But if ZZZ truly will go like hsr it's gonna be a problem in the future

[@Toonlink003]

HSR powercreep was way worse. DHIL and JL felt too powerful compared to Seele/JY, specially on the AoE and multiplier department. New units in ZZZ have been stronger than the previous one but not that much until Miyabi of course, but we can't know if she's an exception until the next DPS. And more importantly, there's no niche end game for specific characters yet, there could be in the future but imo in a game like ZZZ is much harder to implement as many characters share mechanics.

[@ninthfriend3347]

I want to hope for Miyabi to not be a new standard for future dps because of her void hunter status. If newer dps comes, it should not be compared to Miyabi because she's on a different league. I think most players will understand because she is a void hunter. She's suppose to be this strong.

[@SmashTheAdam]

we will see how that goes with Evelyn, even though i'm pulling for her, i REALLY don't want her to be as strong as Miyabi, we're still in 1.x so if this is already the standard it's not gonna look good at all

[@chihaotran1568]

Seeing Evelyn stat I think it is okay

[@raphaelm810]

@@SmashTheAdam Judging from her leaked motion values, she seems to be around between ZY and Harumasa.

[@nickp8041]

Idk how people don't understand this, The game specifically states there are 7 void hunters. That means void hunters are ZZZ's archon's and are supposed to be stronger than most characters. ZZZ community actually whining more than the genshin community about nothing is insane.

[@SmashTheAdam]

@@nickp8041 everyone knows that Miyabi is special due to being a void hunter, but it's still worrying that the newer characters just MIGHT be close to Miyabi's level

[@Opprite]

I gotta remember this is without BIS engines so ellens placement kinda makes sense, but Ellen with her BIS engine and with lighter is kinda crazy

[@phant1795]

Except the gap gets even bigger since Miyabi gets 40% stronger with her sig lol

[@YourDailyOtter]

vs to m0w1 miyabi with the same team stomps ellen.

[@BonnersMonsters]

That does make alot more sense.

[@shachede6828]

And Miya I with lighter and her signature makes that gap even more huge!

[@MrMarcuskane]

Just admit that you regret wasting your pulls on a character that is already heavily powerrept 🤣🤣

[@kageneeks6393]

These names are getting ridiculous 😂 "where's ehwhe?"

[@Indian_gae_boii]

it took genshin 4 whole years to release a powercreep charecter like nuivillete it took HSR 1 year to release a powecreep charecter like acheron it only took zenless 6 months to release a powercreep charecter like miyabi i really hope ZZZ dosent become another HSR

[@MRJonFOXY]

I don't think it will tbh and I despise hsr powercreep. Reason is miyabi is stupid strong but she is the first void hunter. And acheron was the first eminator when she dropped as well. Also end game doesn't have any mechanics that ruin certain playstyles or elements like hsr is doing. Not even counting the hp inflation either

[@fluttersyy]

ganyu and hutao came in like 1.2-1.3 and were busted compared to dilucs clees and whatever but people dont remember or dont care or want to say "hey look there's powercreep in this trashcan but there's no powercreep in out trashcan"

[@Indian_gae_boii]

@@fluttersyy notice how I didn't mention jingliu for HSR? Powercreeping diluc, a standard charecter is not that amazing, plus diluc is sort of meta again

[@lewsee5562]

​@@Indian_gae_boiiBro forgot about Klee getting powercrept by Hu Tao. Dont worry, even Hoyo forgot about her, except in summer events.

[@yuugael4010]

Bruh dont take prydwen as actual tier, they bad at considering action games, if they cover genshin since day one they probably put venti t0 and everyone els t0.5, then klee at t0 as dps 😂

[@batperson3532]

Ellen is still the strongest Ice attacker in the entire game.

[@elijahjarobi]

Miyabi is the strongest dps, that doesn't matter

[@hedgehugs]

​@@elijahjarobi think you missed the joke lol

[@LegendsOfSushi]

@@hedgehugs He definitely missed the joke XD

[@Liger_Soba]

⁠​⁠@@LegendsOfSushi It’s a real shame they missed the joke :P

[@justjuniorjaw]

​@@elijahjarobibro really let the facts fly over their head, that the joke becomes funnier with bro's reply

[@zell8957]

You only need to quick assist with Seth then switch back. You activate his AP just by doing that and you can do that as long as you have parry. The charge ex special is only optional if you fvcked up your rotation or the enemy attacks isn't parryable.

[@justjuniorjaw]

Forget about waiting for Sunday through multiple patches, we got Astra Yao coming next patch.

[@SmashTheAdam]

Nah my Ellen is M0W0 with a mid build (70/107 crit ratio) and she still clears all of the content just fine except for the battle tower, which is more of a skill issue on my part, she's not Miyabi level (obviously), but i would say she definitely deserves to be at 0.5 at least

[@INSU3_3]

Same bro I have a 75/150 crit ratio, and Ellen is still strong, but it is truly a powercrept 4200% in enhanced basic attack and ult is just diabolical

[@SmashTheAdam]

@INSU3_3 oh yeah i know Miyabi is on a level of her own, no other character even comes close right now, but they really did Ellen dirty putting her in T1, especially now with Lighter being available and being her BiS stunner, he improved her A LOT in my account, i know that someday she's gonna be mostly useless but for now she's still apex in my opinion. Also do you have her weapon?, because holy shit that crit ratio is peak compared to mine

[@TacticalDimples]

Hard disagree. She performs worse than the other 3. Yanagi and Jane are busted. And ZY doesn’t have to deal with being CC’d in her DPS window due to enemies being stunned. I have all 4 (now 5) units with only F2P engines and never touch Ellen even for ice weak enemies. She just doesn’t perform as well as the others imo. However, I don’t think she should be in the same tier as S11.

[@dreisangthefreezer]

Ellen being able to clear is not the point tbh. If she becomes 0.5 then there should be a 0.25 tier because the ones at the current 0.5 are just better

[@phant1795]

Nah Ellen is ass against the Thracian if you don't have Lycaon

[@dalhaval283]

just coz theres a stronger ice, ellen is not even with the others? i dont get this tierlist

[@TacticalDimples]

She doesn’t perform as well as the others. She’s also the first limited unit so this is normal. She’s definitely better than S11 though so her placement is still off.

[@27Ganon]

nah she's not with the others since she's consistently performed worse, zhu yuan's been competitive with jane on avg (sometimes better and sometimes worse iirc) and ellen's usually not on that level based on the data

[@Aris-zw5lj]

​@@TacticalDimplesIs not off since She's closer to s11 with Lighter than She Is to the others DPSs

[@loreyxillumina]

2:08 Zhu Yaun does care about anomaly, more specifically ether anomaly to get extra crit dmg

[@itsKevix]

the power creep isn't even bad in this game, and i don't think it'll get worse. Specially with amazing buffers coming out like Astra who can probably bump ellen/other dps up. Miyabi would still remain supreme though~

[@27Ganon]

the problem is that astra bumps everyone up, not just weaker DPSs

[@nkoonkukoo]

Supports like Yao boost everyone, thus changing nothing lol

[@supernieva2419]

@@nkoonkukoo It change everything because Astra will go to your other team.

[@IncredibleLyrics]

I think we might get a HP increase due to Astra buffing but who knows

[@LegendsOfSushi]

The most fucked thing about the Miyabi power creep situation is that she hasn't even reached her maximum potential yet. There will be an upcoming BiS support for her that can bring her numbers even higher. Gonna be absolute overkill, and the devs will have no choice but to inflate HP for Shiyu Defense in the future.

[@jerymarika]

Yeah that's the pattern, but people dont't believe us when we say it 😂. I mean there is a chance that next dpses wont be as good. But why pull for them then? They cost the same amount as Miyabi. Yes some people pull for fun, but a majority of people find big numbers fun. Also the people pulling for fun will feel the struggle later on when they start inflating HP. And all ZZZ chars have been amazing design wise. This is obviously a worst case scenario. If we're lucky they dont't do this. But it's absolutely possible that they fuck us over.

[@SplittedCorn]

Then they make the "BIS support" for Miyabi becomes the universal support for everyone then problems solved. Oh my god, stop being so dramatic when they release a busted character 😂

[@supernieva2419]

@@jerymarika Lol and then we see solo billy,ben,piper and ELlen clearing towers and shiyu.

[@IncredibleLyrics]

@@jerymarika People pull for characters they like and this game will have a 3 team mode.

[@yanuwwuu]

perhaps not being able to get Deep Sea Visitor back in 1.0 was a blessing

[@franklinmoore4152]

Ellen is more like the seele of zzz 😂

[@27Ganon]

nah Seele had the cheapest 0 cycles in the game until like 2.3ish whereas Ellen's ceiling has always been the lowest of the limited units, Seele is more similar to Zhu Yuan in that both have high ceilings given that they're 1.0 units Ellen is more like Jingliu if Jingliu was the first unit released in HSR and had corresponding multipliers

[@supernieva2419]

@@27Ganon nope Ellen is cheaper since ive seen players solo shiyu with just Ellen compare to selle and Jingliu that need a team just to complete content.

[@Lumiphatom]

​@27Ganon Zhu Yuan has Quinyi, its has nothing to do with her Kit. Ellen is missing a BIS support, since she has a BIS stunner.

[@27Ganon]

@@supernieva2419 players clear with solo billy, shiyu is just too easy atm

[@LucasGomes-ng2go]

don't worry guys, Ellen is still much faster and can freeze her enemies

[@kiwee4577]

That's why my rule is NEVER pull a gacha game's first ever limited banner, be it DPS, support, healer, whatev

[@XenoWars]

Unless it's Venti

[@dialgaflippy]

Better not pull on any character😂 It will be powercrept anyways

[@MuslimLobster]

@@dialgaflippy U can say that to any character in any gatcha (exept for Robin maybe)

[@Viovel]

Let's hope that Miyabi's power is due to her being a Void Hunter. Void Hunters are meant to be crazy strong so other non Void Hunters being as powerful as her wouldn't make sense

[@indyvidual3917]

The only thing Prydwen tier lists reminds me of as a spender is how unrelatable my account and experience is… it’s like reading about a different game entirely

[@arthuserza2696]

Just to meme I'd like to see Acheron just randomly sitting next to Miyabi in this tier list.

[@TsuchiGamer06]

People act like Miyabi inherently makes Ellen useless Miyabi makes EVERYONE look worse by comparison. But we're also forgetting how they use different team comps and how Shiyu requires TWO teams and the new game mode requires THREE

[@darksekrom]

I personally do think there is a resource issue in the game, but that's probably just the nature of games that exploit their playerbase.

[@loreyxillumina]

Really!? I haven't felt a resource issue yet with 5 limited characters at lvl 60.

[@rere6845]

Am I crazy if i think yanagi should be t0 along side miyabi?

[@loreyxillumina]

Depends on investment, my 400 ap Yanagi does more dmg than my Miyabi.

[@emperman]

Brother we need more shiyu defense stages. She melted floor 7 like it was floor 3 wtf

[@shachede6828]

Void hunters are like archorns it makes sense they will be super strong.

[@Tym2GoDie]

building characters and pre-farming in zzz is way faster than HSR/Genshin.

[@dialgaflippy]

But genshin is still better. Here you just spam click😂

[@thaitoan4760]

Soldier 11 gang!!! Just wait the day Obol squad comes out and we shall see T0.5 Soldier 11 !!!!

[@SmashTheAdam]

Evelyn would like to introduce herself :)

[@IshyMimic]

We need her wallpaper first!

[@barrox9687]

So far M0 S1 Ellen has no trouble clearing any endgame content, but that might change in the future. Miyabis power level will force devs to up the difficulty and HP levels. New Shiyu defence already feels harder then all that came before, not by much but still.

[@27Ganon]

no trouble currently means little when billy can solo it, shiyu is the easiest hoyo endgame by far currently

[@shachede6828]

We have harder end game content that shit u defense, getting to floor 100 on the new endgame is the challenge. Lol

[@supernieva2419]

@@shachede6828 Depends on the skill of the player some players already clearing tower solo for challenges.

[@IncredibleLyrics]

I think Astra will help that but maybe that will increase the HP.

[@choppy3115]

And this is the start of zzz power creep

[@zen5878]

Honestly it already started with Jane. She dealt so much more on her own than basically all other dps. It just keeps getting worse now :') I just hope we will also get a really strong non anomaly dps

[@GabeHowardd]

She is a Void Hunter, bro

[@supernieva2419]

Power creep will only be a problem if you player rely on metaa units just to clear end game content.

[@Lumiphatom]

Its a non issue when you can still get 1 min clears with 1.0 dps.

[@IncredibleLyrics]

I guess it depends on whether stuff will increase in HP or not.

[@tsuaririndoku]

Ellen shouldn’t be fallen off. Miyabi should have at the M tier. M stands for MOTIVATION

[@atticantraverse6101]

I had guaranteed Miyabi and wen't all the way to 82 to get her. Then i got her w-engine in 55 pulls. And to top it off, i just did some random pulls and got M1 Miyabi 24 pulls in. I had saved all my pulls from v1.3 for this and man was it worth it.

[@SoftandWet808]

People are not complaining about powercreep right now because Miyabi is doing the powercreeping. When Miyabi is powercrept, people will start to complain. The same thing happened with Acheron.

[@paoloravelo172]

People forget this is not HSR, the gameplay requires more skill and therefore, you can still use other units in endgame content comfortably, a bit more time of course but you can manage S in critical node perfectly with Ellen, Zhu Yuan, and other dps or anomaly, yeah there’s is powercreep, but the other characters are still strong.

[@dialgaflippy]

But still, theres powercrept

[@paoloravelo172]

@@dialgaflippy sadly, every gacha that involves combat will always have powercreep 😪

[@novainfinite787]

15:56 i disagree, jing yuan had a massive weakness (ll speed) that kept holding him back, and sunday fixed that. ellen doesnt have any weakness like that, and i dont think she'll be getting a comeback. maybe if they add a dash attack buffing support, maybe she could be t0.5 but i doubt it

[@fadicrafter6090]

Even if this is the first major instance of power creep in zzz, I’m okay with it this time only because Miyabi is a void hunter and so I expected it.

[@energia2285]

In terms of resources building I absolute agree with pokke. First we need to look at f2p perspective and I’m gonna compare it to Genshin. In Genshin most character only needed to lvl till 70 just to unlock all their major talents and everybody know that the stopping point is at lvl80~81. In no universe ur lvling up to 90 either u like the character or it scales base on hp. While in Genshin a normal dps lvl till 80~81 is enough to max out talents. However in zenless case it’s different most support u only need to care about us the core skill since the dmg is non-existent unless ur Lucy. Your force to lvl up to 60 just to unlock its last core same goes to talent. It’s pretty diabolical lvling up 6 different talents for dps. Even in a dolphin case, I always bough the monthly n giga bp n still usually deprives of Dennies n forcing me to farm dennies while in Genshin I have nvr seen my mora going down but instead the opposite.

[@ryluthy]

Ellen can take a nap for a long while now so she is happy right?

[@bjornnilsson2941]

I’m kinda happy I lost on Ellen’s weapon, I hadn’t touched the banner since so I was guaranteed for Miyabi’s weapon 😂 The thing about Seth vs. Lucy is that yes Lucy is better but there’s only one. If I could I’d run Miyabi/Lighter/Lucy plus Jane/Burnice/Lucy. Since I can’t I instead run with Seth and sometimes Rina. Fire resistance is a thing after all.

[@nkoonkukoo]

My lucy never fights, she just fires off her boars, boosts the team and switches out. Simple gameplay like that is why she's one of the best supports.

[@hallucinationspider]

Small question 😅 i got lucky with miyabi weapon banner and got 2 in one 10 , should I combine the two or no?

[@XenoWars]

The Ben slander from Prydwen is unforgivable. Bro never dies, has a decent shield for your allies, buffs crit rate when his shield is active, and actually does a good amount of damage too. He is a benefit to any team. Only thing Seth has over him is a better shield. I run a Burnice/Ben/Lucy team and Ben often times is doing the most damage, and i dont even have all his skills up yet. I'd still put him under Seth but I'd put him at T1.5. He's also the reason i survive some of the content.

[@InmateOmighty]

Is Harumasa worth building over a DPS Corin? (I have Qingyi and Lucy) I got the free Harumasa but I don’t feel like leveling him 😭

[@SmashTheAdam]

if you have Qingyi then i THINK he's worth building, you can slap Nicole as the support or something too, he's pretty fun in my opinion and Qingyi boosts his damage by a ton, you should probably check some guides before taking my word for it though, cause i'm not building him anytime soon since i don't have Qingyi

[@lewsee5562]

Harumasa is simply better than Corin numbers wise. He's pretty much in line with 1.0 limited DPS units, especially when you have Qingyi. 3rd support is Nicole. So you pretty much have his BiS team.

[@MrMarcuskane]

Both beyond terrible Just pull for good units if you care about who is strong or not

[@lewsee5562]

@@MrMarcuskane "beyond terrible" Are we really having that HSR meta brainrot where any unit not in T0 is dogshit? Oh boy...

[@fabioluisaf]

I think zzz isn't as bad when it comes to building characters because for the supports you mostly don't even need to level up their skill since it only increases dmg

[@ikarosms]

putting piper below s11 and ellen is criminal, maybe she doesnt do as much dmg isolated but in the teamcomps shes played she does much more dmg imo, maybe thats a anomaly vs attack problem

[@TigBiddeus]

endgame content in entirely possible and very manageable without the current T0 dps so i dont think Ellen is gonna struggle still

[@shirio45]

getting back into zzz feels great ngl

[@The_Celestial_Fox]

My miyabi is only lvl 50 with at most lvl 9 talents, Core Skill C, 72/146 crit, 2600 atk. She cleared the hardest Shibuya (that's what I call it) in a little over a minute. Granted, I have sig for her and Lighter, but my Lucy is only lvl 40 with purple discs and lvl 7 skills.

[@olisupertan715]

Don't diss on Ben, that juicy 16% crit rate on shield is very nice for early build He also has a very high scaling damage from counters due to attack from his defence Super super safe too for the battle tower if you don't have Caesar I use him as a Swing Jazz user so you can run another sub DPS or stunner etc

[@akdrzllol1698]

Miyabi alone is the honoured one🗣️

[@uniquoro4500]

Either they will release higher anomaly resistant enemies or hp inflations

[@loreyxillumina]

Or neither cuz we already got content that kicks whale's ass.

[@alpaka2461]

Looking at a Free To Play /Coming Back players I think that piper might be better than S11, because shes a great option to trigger disorder in miyabi teams if u dont have/skipped yanagi, and the same aplies to soukaku, she can be better than lucy in ice teams (because of M4), yet i agree that soukaku is T1, for last, I think that Harumasa its T0.5 or S11 should fall, no way theyre in the same level

[@gameinweb1285]

I have Yanagi and Miyabi, it felt like MIyabi powercrept Yanagi too ;)

[@elijahjarobi]

Zzz going the star rail route instead of genshin

[@Flare8124]

You expect the most hype character probably in this games lifetime and the first Void Hunter to be just a little stronger than a schoolgirl?? LOL

[@elaishane1616]

This is exactly what happened in genshin when hu tao and ganyu came out bro

[@nikmerkulov2790]

Remember how Klee was better than Hutao? Yeah, me neither.

[@tidf-wh1zg]

​@@elaishane1616Gap between Klee and Hutao is not that much if you atleast know how to animation cancelling on Klee. Funny how you guys make Klee as example when she's more relevant than Hu tao on speedrunning 😂

[@howyoudoinggrim]

Seth is better for long missions like the tower. Since keeping health high is more important in there

[@azorrr]

used Ellen and Miyabi on different sides of shiyu still godspeed cleared it, dont care if powercrept if still clearing fast for me :D

[@tekashito3352]

Soldier 11 still feels amazing even without lighter I don’t know what chat was all talking abt and her being worse than piper has to be the biggest lie I think I ever heard, I think that with the tier list now being catered towards anomaly units people just say pipers better than she really is. But my point is soldier really isn’t that bad compared to what people say.

[@bhellzeboss7541]

Personally I would drop bot qingyi and lighter. The first have no real top DPS to pair with now ( you can drop Yanagi and use him with miyabi, but is a weaker team, so he is not the bis in any team). And despite miyabi being stronger than Ellen, I would still put her with Zhug Yuen. Best team for both have similar time, often favouring Ellen because she is not as tied to stun, so she save time on small mob. Now, if this mean bring both in T1, or elevate ellen to 0.5, il say the first.

[@RefugeeNT]

Yeee, HP inflation and powercreep coming in ZZZ #DevsListened

[@kachowdah1520]

What I hope they do is only make void hunters these tier 0 units .. bc I feel like they’re meant to be super strong

[@hipha5463]

Soldier 11 needs to go down. She's worse than Piper

[@zeresgaming4508]

Harumasa is better than ellen without sigs. Ellen is better than Harumasa if we are going for sig vs sig comparison. Ellen is casual friendly and harumasa is pretty difficult to use but i think they are both equal to each other. I think zhu yuan should go down and harumasa should go up cuz they made harumasa so good for f2p. Conclusion all the attackers are equal to each other in different ways. Hot Take: Burnice should go down in dps category cuz she does no damage or keep her tier and put her in support.

[@Assassin21BEKA]

22:31 there is none, most of the patch i need to think about what i want to farm because im finished with building my current characters and their relics in like a week. And when new character is dropped i usually have enough money and resources to almost max them out.

[@ericnguyen0419]

a week?

[@BonnersMonsters]

Ellen harumasa seth and soukaku are all 0.5 idk what the hell prydwen are smoking. New astral set buffs soukaku, Miyabi teaming with Seth and harumasa is very nice with the new bangboo Agent Gulliver. Especially in this patch they are being used exclusively, my lucy and nicole have been benched since the update dropped.

[@theespecificocean]

The Soldier 11 slender is crazy. Even in an easy game, mfers have skill issue lol

[@GreenBro11]

Ah, skipping Ellen because I’m on PS5 and had no polychrome to summon her when the game first launched finally paid off!

[@tourist2222]

Powerhouses of Calydon 👑

[@Aiden-iy9du]

MIyabi does more damage than everyone AND sis is hitting half the map at the same time 💀

[@Yuusuke69]

Ellen pullers dead in a ditch thinking she would not get powercrept by Miyabi just because she's anomaly lol.

[@mastermcco]

S11 is T0 in our hearts 🫡🫡🫡

[@thatalbeeguy]

close enough, welcome back honkai powercreep

[@hw8533]

end game is still piss easy

[@loreyxillumina]

Just go play battle tower if you crave hard content

[@IdeasAreBulletproof]

Seeing this as a Non ZZZ Player

[@persedal9932]

NOT CORRECT TIER LIST JUSTIECE FOR M1 SHORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@ericnguyen0419]

? this is m0 only

[@Spacecowboy1997]

The only reason ellen was better than s11 at lauch was bc of lycon. Now with Lighter they are actually the same.

[@pureilluzion]

13:55 Hoyoshill HOLY Gatekeeping creators from covering zzz AINTNOWAY

[@kazuhadakaze4542]

Ellen will always be on my heart ❤️

[@acewing3889]

>piper that low Whatever nitro fuel he's drinking i want some of it

[@ADIsbar44]

I love shark girl But man i really regret it😂

[@chickenstar5610]

T0 mean: T: The 0: Void It's The Void Hunter

[@JustFuN-mv2yp]

just save until 3.0 and pull everything now will be powercreep by thn😂😂😂

[@nkoonkukoo]

Facts, once I pull Miyabi, I'm not pulling again until 2.0

[@supernieva2419]

@@nkoonkukoo Same going for the next void hunter.

[@user-ll4dh1nk7p]

Got M2W1 Miyabi, but I kinda don’t like her design, especially her legs, like why are they so bent?? Her animations are pretty gd tho

[@JackOFhearts12]

Lucy and nicole is the equivalent of tingyun and pela in Zzz. Those who said Piper is better than s11. You must be out of your mind and has serious skill issue. But you know what, maybe cause piper is so easy to use.

[@professorweeb]

this changes everything

[@tosleepawake]

Lmao brain dead people typing about skipping release DPS only to later learn that this patch gonna be outdated eventually as well. Just don’t pull and wait till just before end of service to pull with that logic smh. Just pull for characters you want, this game doesn’t have dark souls levels of difficulty even in mobile.

[@hedgehugs]

I'mma be real, shiyu defense is so goddamn easy that I don't really care if miyabi is powercreeping ellen. I'll start caring when they start scaling end game content with miyabi though. that shit will be ass.

[@milliondreams2206]

I lost my 75/25 on mayabi signature ✋

[@x_canvas9712]

Ellen found dead in a back way alley 😢

[@agentmurk29]

18:41 will we bout to get enemy that cannot be "Anomalied" HmmGe

[@hedgehugs]

you guys sleep on the Piper/Burnice/Lucy combo, highkey most fun team in the game.

[@SmashTheAdam]

that's actually one of my main teams, and i absolutely agree it's really fun, only problem is that Piper has a hard time dodging since that stops her skill, but i can still get S in shiyu 7. I like how all th members of SOC are so fucking good, Caesar (the only member i didn't pull) is can be put into basically any team and makes you immortal on top of her buffs, Burnice can boost ANY anomaly team, Lighter is one of if not the best stunner for ice and fire dps (and Evelyn might work very well with him), Lucy is one of the best supports in the game (really needs M2 though) and Piper is one of the best A rank dps in the game sometimes competing against standard S ranks if she has Burnice

[@kmaru9148]

The 1st gacha limited dps fall-off syndrome is starting 💀

[@0erba]

Is Ellen equal to Yanqing or Jingliu now? LOL

[@joseph32jk]

What if... Ellen gets the hoyo JY treatment?

[@lucustwyatt1960]

Miyabi Zone Zero

[@nashi5036]

7 views in 1 minute bro fell off

[@nickynicholas1670]

10 mins only 500 views, bro really does fell off

[@RIPW3Z]

piper better than soldier11? bro, that just purely a skill isue

[@ranterpanthers6438]

To me zhu yuan should be with ellen they r both not at the level of jane or yanagi

[@shiraragishintarou836]

23:07 Damage wise, i think piper better than S11. But, piper has huge weakness, piper hard to spin when against aggressive enemy. Especially in end game contents when enemies have a lot of damage. This weakness become more pain if you play piper with burnice that has a same problem. Well, you can play beautifully with short time on field and spam perfect assist. But, it will reduce your team damage output.

[@kaenakanee]

soldier 11 dmg is crazy if you know how to play her, she just need lighter and lucy

[@shiraragishintarou836]

@@kaenakanee Well maybe yes, i just too comfortable play with piper's spin. Especially since S11 attacker, she must be better in boss fight.

[@nkoonkukoo]

Sadly Piper is my only dps, so I use her attack when enemies are stunned. Her damage paired with lucy's boars from the sky does serious damage though.