MIYOTA 8215 / 8205 MOVEMENT REVIEW - All You Need To Know (Citizen 8210)

[@SillyVintageWatches]

Here is a video about the accuracy of the MIYOTA 8215/8205: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHjZonufqp2fi5o

[@ReparadorAficionado]

The experience I have with these movements is that from factory they came unregulated and with poor lubrication. After 20 years of owning one, I took it to a watchmaker, he did full service on it and the thing was like within 2 secs a day of precision afterwards. Impressive.

[@tonivanlaar9596]

I bought the 8215. I have it this previous Saturday for about 3 days and is only 20 seconds ahead of time. About 7 seconds a day. I was shocked to read the specs about the precision of the watch -20sec +40sec acuarcy. I Geus I’m lucky. And no stuttering secondhand movement so I’m happy about it

[@ahha6304]

@@tonivanlaar9596 you're not the only one alone, I have 2 Citizen + 2 microbrand with Miyota, the worse I've got is -4 seconds a day from my Henry Archer, the rest 3 is "-+ 0 second a day"

[@tedolphbundler724]

Curious as to how much the watchmaker charged for a full service. I have this movement in a $175.00 USD watch. So far, it is keeping excellent time. I don't like the manual wind feel, but the automatic movement feel/noise doesn't bother me at all.

[@MrShaun1578]

I never had any issues with this movement its been a workhorse for me over the last 20 years I did however had it serviced and regulated after which it's been solid for the money

[@OneMillionGBPBusinessOnl-jn6dk]

8215 can be regulated to be within 2 seconds of accuracy. My one is

[@jakekaywell5972]

It seems that the biggest issue of the Miyota 82XX series is simply that its a design from just about 50 years ago at this point. I like old-fashioned movements, so its not a problem for me, but I see why it would be a problem for others. The big advantage that this Miyota does have over the Seiko NH35, however, is that it actually has a glydocur balance. That means a lot if you live in places with extreme temperature like I do.

[@Anirossa]

Have the movement in a Laco that I use mainly during winter here in Norway, I am very happy with how constant it is. My Seiko I use more during spring and fall and it changes much more day to day. So intresting to hear why.

[@davidcrandall4958]

Timex is using them too!

[@markfogel3682]

I have this movement in my Citizen watch, no complaints at all. Super accurate and reliable, 10 years daily wear without a service.

[@c281x6]

nice informative review, bought my first watch a boldr venture wayfarer with the miyota 8217, very happy

[@Ericdagreat]

This is the absolute best movement that I have ever had had the pleasure of owning. I have not had any other movement that comes even close to the accuracy of this movement unregulated straight out of the box of several watches that I own. I have a Berny diver with this movement, and hits exactly at zero on the timegrapher in every single position possible, minus faced down. Faced down, it hits -1 on the timegrapher, and I have never, ever regulated the damn thing. I also have a Cadisen day date with this variant version of the 8215, and same accuracy. I have tested my Seikos, Oris, Orient, Longine, Tag Heuer, Omega Seamaster, and a couple of micro brands with the Seiko NH35, and NH34, and not one of those even come close! I have older Citizen watches with the 8215 movements, and they are rock solid superb! My Citizen Autozilla titanium 1000m dive watch uses this movement, and has withstood all types of beatings, and still keeps superb time. There is a reason why Citizen decided to use an 8215 movement on a $1200 Autozilla dive watch, and that is due to its robustness, accuracy, ease of service, and longevity. I have a couple of older Invictas with this movement, and they easily outperform any modern Seiko movement from my experience. There are a lot of fools that cry about the rotor wobble, and making a spinning noise, but they don’t cry when they own a watch with a Valjoux 7750 automatic chronograph movement, on which the rotor spins to no ends, and you can actually hear, and feel the wobble when the rotor is spinning with the Valjoux. I own an Oris Titan XL 1000m titanium dive watch with the Valjoux 7750 unidirectional winding, and feels and sounds the same as a Citizen… big deal. The Unidirectional system serves its purpose just fine in the 8215, and given a choice between an NH35, or an 8215, I will choose the 8215 any day. Matter of fact, I just purchased a Pagani Design PD-1685 Seamaster homage, and the options that come with this particular watch are the NH35, the Seiko Epson YN55 that come in some Orient watches, and the Miyota 8215, and I chose the 8215 without a blink of an eye.

[@MettaLovingKindness]

Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge. I enjoyed reading it. I got a DateJust style customized watch with my beautiful daughter's face as the dial from Parnis and it has a 8215. I am so happy to read that the 8215 will last a long time as I will be wearing the watch probably until the day I die :) . May you be well and happy. With metta loving kindness to you and your family.

[@Mister.L598]

Bonjour Mythomaniac !

[@valengreymoon5623]

I've got a ProMaster with an 8204 in it, and in the accuracy department, it's absolutely killing my Seikos. +1 after 16 hours on the wrist, but it does also gain 3 when sitting dial up on the table, which is still pretty damn good overall. Plus with the thick case of the watch, I hear no rotor noise.

[@rosomak8244]

Basically this movement can't be serviced. There are 6 axes under a single plate there. Hitting the ratchet wheels axis when trying to reassemble it is almost impossible.

[@girishkurlekar-yd6cv]

From watch maker’s point of view - as I am watch maker - 8200 or8205 movements are used In citizen watch watches basically & they are very reasonably good when from factory assembly as once it is opened for services & touched with tools it May start give some trouble sometimes. It is delicate at escapement & balance wheel

[@DennisBible]

Thank you for the video. How is the 8315? What about a video comparing the 8215 to the 8315?

[@Anirossa]

I do enjoy winding the miyota, the seiko wind on the 4r I find to be a bit numb, the powermatic feels good, but a little hard to turn as the crown on my tissot is pretty small, it all comes down to preferance besides how much wear it takes under winding though, ofc. I really enjoy the uni directional rotor too, but I fully understand why some people absolutely dispice it as well. :) Especially in slimmer watches, I don't notice the uni directional rotor much in my chuncky promaster, but I hear and feel it a lot more in my laco aachen 39mm :D

[@nicolasansom2681]

I have found this to be a reliable movement and I actually quite enjoy the sound of the rota spinning as it doesn't happen that often, just when I move my arm quickly in a certain direction 😊

[@freddyt55555]

Between the TMI NH and Miyota 8000 range of movements, only one is truly a Japanese-made movement, and it ain't the NH.

[@SanicTheHidgehag]

The squeal of the manual winding sounds like the rats in Elden Ring 🤣

[@vatazhka]

I don't like excessive rotor noise (However, it can be reduced with a special case and/or movement spacer design.) and the lazy seconds hand. Mine is not stuttering, as seen on older examples from this family of movements, but it looks as if something was holding back its rotation.

[@tonivanlaar9596]

I also have not stutter with the 8215 think I’m luck and very happy about it. Mine accuracy is +7 seconds a day so I’m very pleased

[@ivanjunev8716]

i have citizen with this movement even with one direction winding it work very well have seiko 5 with 7s26 movement and seiko 5 sport 4r36 movement new watch they both stops after 10 20 days usuly in the morning and i can say wainding sistem of seiko magic lever dont work at all for me very bad mechanism for winding . have orient king diver after 5 days it wind full 42 hauers

[@STAZ1980]

Nice video, very educational. I was looking into entry level mechanical watches, and I have to say that Seiko makes very ugly (it's in the details) watches with 4R movement and a little better looking watches with the same movement but twice the price which I don't find any justification for. It made me look at different watches and I found Citizen with Miyota 8200. I think the "ugly" things about 8200 are acceptable trade-offs at this price level. I really appreciate your video, I was worried this movement isn't good.

[@kevinh5349]

I received a Boderry watch containing this 8215 movement, per the Boderry site. Lo and behold, the first thing this author mentioned is exactly what happens to my watch. Around the 2 o'clock marker, it seems as though the second hand "slips" or "falls", and for around 10 seconds acts unstable. However it does hold the time. Don't know about the author's assertion that it hacks. Mine doesn't.

[@johnwheat5199]

There are basically two versions of this movement, the early version doesn't hack, the later one does.

[@childrolland]

I have a few watches with 8215 and 8204 - it is sick, but I love the rotor noise they produce 😅You can definitely feel how the watch vibrates on the wrist when the rotor spins clockwise.

[@stephenhaynes603]

my myota 8215 gives prob 15 hours of power reserve then stops.

[@jameswcollett]

I have a Citizen Promaster military style watch - 8200-S82175. It has the day/date complication. This watch does not hack. I understand the early incarnations were non hacking and later versions were upgraded to hack. The movement in my watch seems to have failed - the watch keeps stopping, even after winding and being worn for a while. Also, while it is running, it gains time tremendously. This seems to be a good time to upgrade the movement with one that hacks - but it's not clear how to choose one.

[@SillyVintageWatches]

Hi James, Thank you for your detailed comment! The fact that it gains time quite a lot could be due to it being magnetized, but I am sure you might have already thought of that. Replacement Miyota movements can be bought on eBay or AliExpress for about $30 to $40. If you are willing and skilled, you could do the swap yourself. Otherwise, I am sure a watchmaker would easily do it for you and it would certainly be cheaper than a service on the original movement.

[@ronal6300]

What is posture difference

[@OMEGAPanda]

I got this one in my rolex explorer replica, works great

[@mocha8232]

These Japanese movements beat the western ones hands down.

[@padyakerongmanoy7471]

Good day, sorry im new to automatic watch, if ur movement has only hand winding, u mean u need to handwinding in every 42hrs to make time continue ticking? No kinetics recharge.

[@SillyVintageWatches]

No worries, and welcome to mechanical watches! Generally yes. But let me give you a general overview: both hand-winding AND automatic watches are generally mechanical watches to start with. Automatic just means that the mechanical watch has the ability to "recharge" itself using the kinetic energy of your wrist. (so yes, you were right!) Automatic watches also have the option of additional hand-winding most of the time. (not the 7s26 f.e.) Oftentimes, people say they are new to automatic watches (because that is what they can read on the dial) when they really mean they are new to mechanical watches (non-quartz watches without batteries). Automatic basically is just another functionality of a watch, just like a date, a chronograph, or a GMT... Hope I could help!

[@GROENAASMusic]

I own an Ingersoll 1892 Scovill (i05005), and I find the Miyota 8215 movement just fine. The Scovill's hefty case muffles the rotor's sound, so I could only hear it when it was quiet or close to my ear. I mention the watch in the past tense because I accidentally dropped it, and now the movement is out of whack. I’m getting a new movement to replace it since I don’t yet have the skills or tools to service the movement myself. Anyways. Personally, I don't mind the rotor sound; I actually quite like it. Everyone has their preferences, but I'm not really picky. As long as something works well and looks good, that's usually enough for me.

[@RaczBela1993]

I use a BERNY Automatic Compressor Diver Watch V3-AM339MS, and i love it, it looks very nice and works well. For the cheap price, is that watch and the 8205 Myota not bad. Its my Favorie Watch😆👌🏻

[@bobsyeruncle4841]

superb review thanks

[@SillyVintageWatches]

Glad you liked it!

[@benoitcerrina]

I don’t understand at the beginning when you say it is easy to work on. The single bridge on top of 5 pinions (gear train and 2 from the automatic system) makes it very hard to reassemble. That is from experience but I am new to watchmaking however I heard the same from very experienced watchmakers.

[@JoeyAnswer]

The 82S0 falls inline with the 8215 correct? I was looking at a watch with that movement but I'm unsure about. it I go for quartz more then auto being the whole servicing part. Though i hear good things Miyota so even if its a basic movement I'm sure these are good.

[@snekker9480]

Seconds hacking?

[@tedolphbundler724]

Yes. The modern versions hack.

[@Bluemax-1]

Mine is accurate to -1spd and very consistently! And that’s independent of positioning. I've really hit the jackpot with this movement. I have much more experience watches with a lot worse.

[@troyom]

I have the 8215 in a Timex Expedition North Titanium. Largely great time keeping I’ve noticed it keeps better time on the wrist than if you put it on a winder. Even so runs about +5 seconds a day when it’s not behaving. I’ve definitely noticed the stutter of the second hand which is something that I normally don’t notice until I do and then I cant stop looking at it. All in all I like the watch and therefore the movement beating at its heart. I’m weird but I like that it has shortcomings to the extent that it makes it feel like it has a bit of personality. It’s like its saying “I’m doing the best I can damnit” LoL

[@gurofzt]

thank you so much, I just got a new watch with this movement and the hand winding felt stiff and I saw some gears going up and down, but with your video now I know it's normal.

[@tomalophicon]

It's got more like a 50 year track record. Was hoping to hear more about Parashock but you didn't cover it. I just bought a watch with an 8204 movement and so far it's running at plus 6 seconds per day.

[@compaqdeskpro5770]

If you're a watch snob used to Swiss movements, then you might be grossed out by the jingling fidget spinner behavior of the 8215, but it's great fun for a beginner. I have one on a Timex Waterbury from eBay. While it makes the rotor noise in one direction, the winding sounds better than the crunchy sound of my bidirectional Seiko.

[@markthomas741]

In my experience the 8215 is at least as good a movement in use as the NH movements.

[@neildcosta5932]

Thank you very much for this review which is very educational and a great guide!

[@ehouli77]

I own an automatic Bomberg Maven watch that uses this movement, I already replaced it once, and now it's again stopping after working a couple of minutes as if it gets stuck... Not very dependable to me.

[@nathantsakos3603]

Strange I just bought a citizen watch with this movement. Makes no noise whatsoever

[@rosomak8244]

The winding mechanism is not simpler then seikos level winding. There is a ratchet wheel there that consist of plenty of parts.

[@DidiOliAtHome]

Any thoughts on Oliver Green watches that use Miyota Movements?

[@joshgascon7087]

I was thinking of getting a laco with this family of movements now I'm on the fence but the Swiss alternative is 3 times as much.😂

[@Conundrum191]

Look at Dekla potentially. I'm mulling over 40mm vs 42mm but they are also German, make everything in house (and use swiss movements) plus a lot cheaper than the likes of Laco and Stowa for swiss powered watches.

[@joshgascon7087]

@@Conundrum191 Nice 👍 thank you for the info. I'll look into them!

[@Anirossa]

I love my laco aachen oliv 39mm, its my favourite watch, and I have a couple of seikos and tissots as well. The QC on the laco is the highest of the watches I have. What I like with the laco is how true it is to its form being very very much a tool watch all out, but with great qc. But you do hear the rotor a lot in a miyota model, so if the rotor bothers you, I'd look at their pro line with 20 bar and sw200 or alternatively Stowa if you want a laco, because you want a pilot watch :D

[@Ericdagreat]

Get the Daco. Look, I have a $1200 Citizen Autozilla 1000m titanium dive watch that I purchased back in 2004 I believe. The movement is still on point, and the watch has taken many beatings, and I just pick it up, give it a shake, set the time, and off it goes. Blows away most of my Seiko watches, and some Swiss watches. Now think about this… why did Citizen decide to use this movement in a $1200 tool watch???? They had plenty of other higher end movements at that time, but still chose to use an 8215??? The answer is very simple… it is a superb movement, tough, and sometimes even more accurate than most Swiss movements. When I am presented with the option to choose between a watch that offers to come with an NH35 movement, or a Miyota 8215, I will always, ALWAYS go with a Miyota 8215. Do you actually believe that Laco slaps in there any movement to just fill in the case??? Absolutely not. They realize the greatness of this little movement. The rotor spinning noise, and the rotor wobble also is a unique design of the eta Valjoux 7750 that is utilized in high end Omega, Tag Heuer, Oris, and many other expensive Chronograph watches, with the exact same unidirectional wind, wobble, and noise rotor as the Citizen 8215 movements. Don’t let haters talk you away from this little extraordinary workhorse movement. These little movements are super accurate too. You go get that Laco!

[@bmxtime89]

How can you silence the rotor noise with the 8215?

[@tschramel]

I like the fact it makes noise when winding.

[@mikecharette9258]

How do feel about seagull movements which have had good luck with.

[@franciscodiazperez3263]

Mi experiencia es que son muy duraderos, y no necesitan de tanto mantenimiento

[@kmack747]

The 9xxx movement is very similar but vastly improved compared to the 8xxx movements. Saying that i still like the 8xxx movements that i own

[@tomalophicon]

In what way is the 9000 improved?

[@Ericdagreat]

@@tomalophiconit is a high beat movement, compared to a low beat movement of the 8215

[@tomalophicon]

@@Ericdagreat what's the difference in practical terms? More accurate?

[@TheGrantourismo]

@@tomalophicon Yes, it is more accurate, and usually Citizen watches with 9000/9100 series are factory adjusted in several positions. Also, they are much better machined.

[@mstcrow5429]

Winding sound sounds like a basic windup toy.

[@wilsonescudero3298]

Tengo movimientos citizen y seiko de esta gama, también serie 9000 de miyota, los dos son buenos movimientos con mas de 30 años en el mercado, pero ya es tiempo que actualicen algunos movimientos dándole un poco mas de complicación.

[@ebob4177]

Thanks for the educational content!

[@lulul]

i have a 9015 (mitch mason) in a watch and it does wobble and i can hear the rotor but i can'te read the dial on that one. i kinda want a citizen promaster ny0086 regardless of this issues. if the accuracy was decent (below 10s/day) i'd wear it a lot. i can't wear my seiko 5 anymore because it keeps constantly gaining more time everyday after the last service and i don't know what's that all about. every day the accuracy drifts in the same direction by the same amount at the moment being about +20 seconds (it started at around -10) and growing every time i wear it. this is why i wear my ecodrive and casio these days..

[@SillyVintageWatches]

maybe this video helps with your seiko 5: kzbin.info/www/bejne/op_RkKymopyjmKM

[@gerryb5578]

Hi ,Excellent video, can you explain how to adjust the timing on the watch please? mines seems to run 3 mins fast per day.

[@tonivanlaar9596]

It should be -20 / +40 sec a day not 3 min! Something is wrong! Mine is 7sec a day very pleased and happy about it

[@gerryb5578]

@@tonivanlaar9596 Hi, how do I regulate it?

[@tonivanlaar9596]

@@gerryb5578 you’re Watch is in need of repair! 3min off a day ain’t right

[@SillyVintageWatches]

Hi, sorry to hear that. Adjusting a watch is hard to explain in a single comment. I might do a video about that soon. 3 minutes a day also almost sounds like the watch is magnetized, I would check that first. Magnetization can usually be easily solved without adjusting.

[@gerryb5578]

@@SillyVintageWatches How do I do that ?

[@frankbruce6889]

I have had a 8215 for about a year. Recently it has begun to completely wind down the mainspring while spinning the rotor. anyone have an idea for the cause?

[@Ericdagreat]

Possibly a Chinese clone. There are a lot of companies that are putting these clone movements in, and claiming to be Miyota movements

[@zipitar9018]

Its best movement for most fossil titan and other micro brands and reliable too😊 i have 3 automatic watch eta, seiko and miyota fossil

[@zenito1]

I have watch with miyota cal 8215 but can i upgrade to 8315 or 8217 ?

[@AlanDike]

Should be able to. the 8315 is basically a larger power reserve 8215... but its just an upgraded 82xx... dimensionally its the same. The whole 82xx line of movements I believe share specs for dimensions and are drop in replacements.

[@mtbbiker6401]

I need to replace a Seagull ST6. Trying to decide between direct replacement with another ST6 (still non-hacking?), Miyota 8215 or Seagull ST1612. I would definitely purchase 8215 but want one with hacking if I upgrade. Not knowing whether I will receive hacking version is keeping me from ordering. Dial should fit all three movement, but hands are different for ST6 vs. 8215/ST1612 so I would need new hands. I suppose if I can source 8315 then it should definitely have hacking?

[@tedolphbundler724]

I just bought a watch with the 8215 movement. It hacks.

[@mtbbiker6401]

@@tedolphbundler724 That's awesome! I would definitely purchase a 8215 but I believe there's still a lot of old stock non-hacking movements out there. I don't want to pay $40 for a non-hacking movement. If I can find a 8315 that would be ideal.

[@Luke-jj9je]

🎉 Promo-SM

[@danielcondon1607]

I have a citizen eco drive promaster that runs 100% true no matter what. I put a custom bracelet on it from island watch with the solid end links and it is solid! I would recommend that watch! Right before Christmas I purchase a bnh8350-83a. I like it allot! Runs 4 seconds fast a day. I ordered a grey alligator leather strap from strapco for it and I cant wait to get it how I want it. I don't mind the winding sound or tge rotor sound. It doesn't bother me a bit! Oh, mine hacks. It's a day date so I'm guessing 8215?

[@ranatanveer9835]

This movement is over all a good middle class movemet but you can not compare it with Japanese Seiko movemets this is a low weight short size a good movem one more bad thing about this movement its balance staff system and shock absorber system. In my country Pakistan it is a famous brand and likely movement.

[@u.u.u9969]

Can’t complain about movements that are found in watches under $500.

[@davidcrandall4958]

Timex uses them in300.00 dollar watches!

[@jabbahursty]

which are worth buying when they are under 100 bucks on clearance. my current daily wear watch is an 8215 timex waterbury that was 77 bucks from timex.

[@propetamckissack524]

So Vostok is better than Mayota Movement Russian watches is good than Japan…

[@Asd_die]

Thanks! Btw I like how it sounds. Squeal like a pig! Can you advise any watches with 8315 under 300 bucks?

[@AlanDike]

San Martin has several options.. or you could buy any watch with the 82xx series and swap in an 8315. The movement would be about 90.. and the swap SHOULD be reasonable simple to do.. leaving you around 125 for the watch, and 80ish for any tools you may require. Things like precision screw drivers, movement clamp, back removal tool.. etc...