Mizutani Super ZLC, Tenergy 05 Hard, Dignics 05 - REVIEW!

[@Looeelooee]

Slight correction - my dad (the player I'm practicing with) uses the Viscaria Super ALC with Dignics 09c on the forehand and Armstrong Attack 8 1.8mm 53 degree (medium pip) on the backhand. NOT long pips which is what I accidentally said in the video. Join the channel Discord server here - discord.gg/UbakrKSFCp Watch this video if you are interested in free coaching - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJ3Eg5Wvq7h4q68 ★★ Follow my socials ★★ Instagram - instagram.com/real_looeelooee/ Twitter - twitter.com/real_looeelooee/

[@irfantachrir9273]

Happy to find this video out. This is exactly the same set up with me. I have just used the blade since a month ago replacing my Prasidha Kendo EX. Thanks for great review..

[@Looeelooee]

No problem glad you enjoyed!

[@oppapingpong]

Great review, my friend. I used those rubbers on my ZJK ZLC and it good combination

[@Looeelooee]

@@oppapingpong thanks! Indeed it is a great combo

[@LeoMatisse]

Dear Louis, as your devoted fan and follower, I must say that in my humble opinion, you make the most instructive, thoughtful, useful table, tennis tutorials that offer the highest value on KZbin. Thank you for posting this great video and for your personal help and attention to help me with my aging issues. I actually have a body type that is very similar to your father, and no matter how good our skills are, our physical limitations definitely take a toll. Your father has great control and skills, my respect to him. You look great your strokes look world-class and your backhand is so fluent, natural and effortless. It is truly a thing of beauty to watch. I will send you a follow-up comment about all the good things your advice has done for my game and some new surprising developments. I am still using the same blade you use. I look forward to watching each and every single video you make. I wish you all the best. Warm regards from James.

[@Looeelooee]

Thank you so much, your comment genuinely just made my day!! I'm so glad that I've been able to help. And yeah my Dad has really nice shots and the pips on the backhand have worked great for him even though he was a two sided looper at his peak. I'll keep the videos coming and if you ever have a question leave a comment and I'll do my best to help as much as I can.

[@Nathan_BriTT]

Loved the video, super interesting insights into how a player at your level thinks about their equipment. Keep them coming 🙏🏻🏓

[@Looeelooee]

Thank you and glad you enjoyed!! Btw I remember seeing you play a couple years ago and I saw a couple of your vids pop up on my feed. You've improved a lot!!! Keep it up! 💪

[@mikecrowther6552]

great video and review- was impressed with your technique and skill level- you made a demanding setup look easy!

[@Looeelooee]

Thank you! I appreciate the kind words!!

[@taniwhaman2250]

New favorite channel. Awsome vids buddy

[@Looeelooee]

@@taniwhaman2250 thanks!!

[@DTcharlles]

First video I see from you, really like the idea. So many channels review equipment and say it’s the best in the world but play something completely different

[@Looeelooee]

I appreciate it! This is also the reason I normally don't review equipment unless I'm actually playing with it

[@Pvtepingpong]

Great review. Other reviewers will twerk for pound notes which is why they say its the best without using the equipment

[@Looeelooee]

Ty ty! I try to keep it unbiased. If i say it's my favorite but then im not actually using it that would be super disingenuous

[@TimeForGamers]

Again real great video, thabks!

[@Looeelooee]

Of course! It's my pleasure to make these

[@Waingro808]

Agree D05 is pretty unforgiving on the BH. Also, I think the throw angle is too high. I find it uncomfortable to close the racket angle that much on BH. D64 and T80 work better on BH for me. I love D05 on forehand though!

[@Looeelooee]

I haven't played much with d or t 64 or 80 but I've heard great things about them. D05 on my forehand was too soft hence me going with the t05 hard. I feel like a dignics 05 hard could be the best forehand rubber of all time for me at least if they decided to do that

[@aydinj3894]

Question...my backhand is solid, been playing 05 for years...now I have had mixed feedbacks regarding Mizutani (in gneral). What are your thoughts on Tenergy 19 on backhand? I like more control/ spin. Also, been playing with Hurracane Neo 3, on forehand for years. As you said, it requires solid technique, b/c the accuracy is not there (boosting, etc.)...I am on the fence...should I switch from FZD super Alc? To Mizutani Super Zlc, Dignics 09C on forehand (I like tacky/spinny rubbers b/c of Hurracane Neo 3), and Tenergy 19 on backhand? Thanks for your video

[@Looeelooee]

@aydinj3894 personally T19 is way too soft for me but I think that comes down to style / preference. But if you're looking for a more controlling rubber with extra dwell time compared to something like 05 it's definitely a good option. As for the blade. I would say maybe try changing the rubber first because if you're looking for more control and spin going from the fzd super alc to the mizutani super isnt going to help much with that

[@aydinj3894]

@@Looeelooee thank you so much for the advice! Much appreciated.

[@Looeelooee]

@@aydinj3894 no problem best of luck to you!

[@CuongLe-mh7kb]

Great video! Related to a point in the videos, at what level should I practice the loop/drive off the bounce for both forehand and backhand? This is something that I haven't ever thought of practicing. As of before watching your video, I thought it's quite advance and I should stick with the usual ball timing as much as possible (in a loop, wait for it to drop a bit).

[@Looeelooee]

It's hard to place an exact level in terms of when to start learning these shots. I'd moreso say just try to learn it, and if it feels doable then keep practicing it, but if it feels way to difficult then it means you're probably not quite ready to learn it yet. But there's players over 2000 that may not be able to learn it quickly and players who are beginner / intermediate who may pick up the timing and feel for it right away and elevate their level immediately.

[@cucuonga1]

Hi Looeelooee, thank for the video. I am using Timo Boll ALC with Rozena on both sides. I am thinking to use Ten 05 hard for my forehand. But I heard that it's for more advanced player as it's much less forgiving compared to Rozena. I can't find the same setup in my club to try. Could you please give some hints when it's considered "advanced" enough to switch to Ten 05 hard for my forehand? (I don't like regular Ten 05 as it's not durable. It's expensive rubbers so I'd like to change it less frequent.). Thanks in advance!

[@Looeelooee]

@@cucuonga1 hello! Just so you're aware for durability 05 hard and 05 have about the same durability so if you had issues with 05 then 05 hard will probably last about the same. But in terms of level I'd say if you're at a point where you can comfortably loop any long ball with any spin without having to slow down your shot at all then you're ok to use 05 hard. But if you're still developing the shot it's probably not for you just yet

[@cucuonga1]

@@Looeelooee Thanks for the answer. The problem with Ten 05 is that it gets chipped at the edges easily. I was hoping it is better with ten 05 hard because it's... harder 😂

[@cucuonga1]

@@Looeelooee Also, I heard that before Ten 05 hard, pro version (made for pro, not in the market) of ten 05 is harder than usual ten 05. Until they make ten 05 hard then we can buy it. Do you think it's true?

[@Honeydew0567]

I've just recently changed my set up from using a Stiga offensive classic with DNA platinum M for forehand and the DNA platinum S for the backhand, I really loved it but wasn't happy with it's spin performance compared to it's DNA pro series but loved it's speed, I went with Tenergy 05 on forehand and Dignics 09C paired with a andro treiber Carbon Inner Off, so far I'm loving the dignics with the far better spin and control but surprised with how fast it is but definitely still getting use to the tenergy, it's very unique characteristics. I've so far gotten a hang of the topspin rallies with the tenergy but not use to looping consistently with it just yet but will continue to develop my skills to try and get the best out of the tenergy

[@Looeelooee]

It definitely takes some time to get used to and has some very unique characteristics. But keep sticking with it and once you're fully used to it you'll love it. I almost wanna say you have it backwards as most people would do the 05 on the backhand and 09c on the forehand but if you're comfortable with it and get used to it both are excellent rubbers so you should be good!

[@Honeydew0567]

@@Looeelooee I don't disagree with you, I've always had a stronger backhand than forehand but I've working on my forehand for the last 2+ years now and I'm confident in saying that there has been huge improvement, I do find the 05 is giving me more consistent shots that are safer but has been the most accurate rubber I've ever used and I love it just for that already

[@robin0910]

Have you tried the dignics 09c or just read about it? Cause it’s supposed to have the highest throw angle of all the butterfly rubbers and it is indeed very high. The dwell is also better on it than dignics 05

[@Looeelooee]

Yes I've tried 09c a few times before. It's undoubtedly a great rubber and works well for certain players, but it's just not ideal for my style. My dad uses it on his forehand throughout this video and he loves it.

[@robin0910]

Yes, it’s tricky to use tacky rubbers especially on the backhand

[@Looeelooee]

Yup it goes both ways too. For people that have had pretty extensive training those who learned on tacky tend to find non tacky really tough to play with especially on pushes and touches and the people who learned on non tacky tend to find tacky way too unforgiving especially on things like sow loops.

[@alekssbelskis3544]

Thanks a lot for the review, I play traditional penhold with a 10mm hinoki one-ply blade which is slightly faster that your Mizutani Super ZLC and is very soft but stiff with a high throw angle according to Butterfly global, others who have tried it and my own feeling. I have used Tenergy 05 for many years but am finding that it produces less spin the more that I increase the power in my strokes. I'd like to try a rubber that has more top-end spin for harder loops, as although my game does primarily rely on sheer power on the third ball and away from the table, I would prefer not to sacrifice spin by hitting straight through my sponge. I was wanting to try either the Tenergy 05 Hard or the Dignics 05, but I'm struggling to decide. Please could you let me know what you think.

[@Looeelooee]

I'd say 05 hard is definitely less spinny on the fast shots than tenergy 05 so if you're looking for more spin maybe dignics 05. But I personally find it a little too soft for my own forehand. Maybe try 09c if you can tolerate a slightly tacky surface?

[@alekssbelskis3544]

@@Looeelooee Thanks a lot for your reply. From what I’ve heard and also this is why I’m asking, that the reason that spin decreases on harder shots is due to the bottoming out of softer rubbers as the ball penetrates the sponge too much. I thought that this could be alleviated by using a harder sponge, is that not the case?

[@ajp-imobiliario]

Thanks for the video. How many layers of glue did you apply? Did you use a booster?

[@Looeelooee]

Glad you enjoyed! For this specific vid just 1 thick layer with no boost because im not playing any competition currently. But if I had a tournament coming up I would 100% boost and use a few layers.

[@makkapakka8091]

Interesting! This was a similar setup I was thinking of trying with D05 RPB and Tenergy 05 Hard, Omega VII Hyper or Hammond Z2 on FH. I was inspired by how Cho Daesong and Jang Woojin set up a 4th ball FH kill attack with a BH flick on the receive. Don't know if you've tried Z2 but interested how you compare 05H with the Hyper you reviewed. (Obviously it would feel totally different on my 1 ply G-Max).

[@Looeelooee]

Never played with the Z2 so can't really say unfortunately. But the Hyper I'd say is more comparable to something like 09c, it's got more gears / potential but is much less forgiving and also a little harder imo. But also it's been so long since I played with Hyper and it was also on a totally different blade so it's hard to remember.

[@zizo015]

I read somewhere that hard rubbers are more for near the table game and softer bouncy rubbers with lots of catapult are better for half distance and away from the table..what are your thoughts about this ? Thanks a lot

[@Looeelooee]

It depends on the level because now at the highest level everyone close distance or far distance will all play with relatively hard rubbers because they need the extra gears to stay competitive (and they also all boost which softens it up a little). The thing that they'll change to suit their style most often is the wood they're playing with

[@WorthlessGeek]

If you like the 05 Hard, you should try the Gewo Nexxus Superselect 53. Cheaper and nearly just as good imo

[@Looeelooee]

Yup I love the harder tensor rubbers a ton. Great bang for buck. Used to play with them for a long time

[@DragonWarrior976]

Hey, I was there in CITTA a couple of weeks ago 😊. If I prefer a spin oriented game then which would be better ALC or ZLC. I am at around 1900-2000 USATT.

[@Looeelooee]

Hello! By spin oriented do you mean for the loops you prefer more dwell time? Like more arc on the shot instead of more power?

[@DragonWarrior976]

@@Looeelooee Ya, I prefer to have a placement oriented opening with good amount of spin. Since it gives me time to reset for the next shot. If I put power and someone blocks fast then I struggle to keep up with the pace on the next shot. Also I have been a TB ALC user for 8 years but never tried ZLC.

[@Looeelooee]

Edit - see this video for a better and more in depth explanation! kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZSnY2mbm898aZY If you've been playing with alc for 8 years it's gonna be extremely difficult to swap to zlc so instead I'd recommend just going with a slower alc blade like maybe an innerforce. But the only way to know for sure would be to try a zlc blade too and see if you like it!

[@aerotus888]

Agree with your comments about D05 on bh. It's amazing when the shots are well timed and positioned. But it's quite unforgiving. D80 is more forgiving and better for defense but slightly less spinny and it is faster. I wonder if D80 or D05 is better for me.

[@Looeelooee]

All comes down to preference - both are great so once you're used to either you'll be totally set

[@aerotus888]

@@Looeelooee I actually found out the answer last night. I was using D05 on bh, I'm bh dominant. I was struggling against advanced spinny players. When I switched to my D80 bh setup it was so much more forgiving and flexible in making all types of shots. Far more reliable especially during tense match moments. I play so much better overall with D80. My best bh rubber so far.

[@Looeelooee]

@@aerotus888 nice!!!

[@jonyer1980]

Which rubber do you play it fits better on a Innerforce ZLC as a BH? D80/64 or T05/19?

[@Looeelooee]

it's hard for me to give a definitive answer - because a lot of it comes down to personal preference and your style. I would say definitely no to the T19 but 05, or D80/64 are all viable BH options with an innerforce

[@jonyer1980]

@@Looeelooee thanks a bunch for your insightful answer.

[@so_ein_richtiger_beki]

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[@afshinkavousi617]

Hi mate, it was good review, thanx

[@Looeelooee]

No problem!

[@kevinishereable]

You should review butterfly glayzer👍

[@Looeelooee]

Maybe at some point. I normally stay away from equipment reviews because I think overall it's not super important but figured I should at least review the setup I'm currently playing with like I did for all my previous setups

[@reycox]

I love szlc blades, but also quite light weight, after many szlc I've tried I've finished with Lin Yun-Ju Super ZLC, which weights 78 grams, with hybrid sheets it's pleasure to play :) and due to relative light weight I can train for 2 hours with no problem, everyday.

[@Looeelooee]

Woah 78 grams is amazing!!!

[@reycox]

@@Looeelooee Yeah, I especially ordered lowest weight possible from butterfly and wait like 5 weeks for it, but it's worth it.

[@NicholasChan-j1s]

have you tried D80/ T80?

[@Looeelooee]

I've hit a few balls before but never actually tried for an extended period of time. But imo from what others have said both are great rubbers!

[@curitsfan2143]

How often do you change rubbers?

[@Looeelooee]

When I was playing everyday I'd change them roughly once a month sometimes even sooner. Now I play anywhere from 1-3 times a month and change the rubbers every 4-7 months or so

[@bau7917]

great!!

[@Looeelooee]

Ty!!

[@KVC2011]

What's your higest rating?

[@Looeelooee]

@@KVC2011 USATT of 2343! If we're counting club / league "ratings" I've been over 2400 :p

[@robin0910]

Have you tried any rubbers that were similar to dignics 05?

[@Looeelooee]

Yes, a lot of the new harder tensor rubbers imo are extremely comparable to dignics 05. Nothing that's 100% identical but a lot that are extremely close and in terms of performance just as good

[@robin0910]

@@Looeelooee can you mention a few? Some ESN rubbers have similar hardnes and bounce but the grip is not there and I’m not sure if I wanna pay 90$ for a rubber regularly.

[@Looeelooee]

@@robin0910 it's been a while since I used ESN rubbers but iirc dynaryz agr from joola is amazing and a great bang for buck. It's not identical but has very similar characteristics all around

[@peters9793]

Just by the sound i feel like im gonna run. Way too fast for me.

[@Looeelooee]

@@peters9793 haha yeah it's got that classic tocking sound that tells you it's ridiculously fast 😅

[@peters9793]

@@Looeelooee how many times do you put put glue in your rubber and your blade? Thank you for the reply.

[@Looeelooee]

@@peters9793 for the rubber if I'm boosting it I normally do 2-3 layers of glue and 1 layer of boost Otherwise I just use one good layer of glue. For the blade I always just use a single layer of glue regardless of whether I'm boosting.

[@peters9793]

@@LooeelooeeThank you Sir.

[@theodoreyoung7354]

European forehand 😢

[@Looeelooee]

Yup haha. I actually was using black on the forehand up until I got these fresh sheets and decided to change it up but it's European technique all the way.